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(ABC)   Obama faced a much tougher primary fight in West Virginia than expected with his challenger, Keith Judd, recieving almost 40% of the vote, despite the fact that Judd is currently an inmate in federal prison   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 15
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2012-05-09 09:04:32 AM  
2 votes:

monoski:

While at the same time they have almost forgotten about the coal miners killed in the collapse where the mine shut down safety sensors because they were delaying production with annoying alerts that gas levels were too high. They have been ignoring for decades the effect on the health or their people and their environment all in the name of getting a few dollars out of the ground then the mine runs dry, the company moves on and leaves them jobless and hopeless in an environmental shiathole. Sounds like they are not thinking this all the way through.


I agree; it is a very double-edged sword and many folks only want to see one side of the issue. Granted, wages for coal miners are not like they were 40+ years ago and most locals view coal mining in a narrow way-- as a way to support themselves and/or a family on a good income. Coal miners are lauded and celebrated as a part of our heritage. However, the flip side to that coin, as you noted, is pretty ugly. The environmental damage is obviously a gigantic issue that future generations will be forced to inherit, as well as the public health/occupational health hazards that go along with coal mining (black lung, injuries, etc.)

The poor and those that immigrated from Europe and elsewhere to work in the mines during the late 19th and early 20th century were a terribly oppressed people. Their descendants bear their psychological wounds, in my opinion. The 'rape and pillage' mentality of the early part of this century has left southern WV (not to mention eastern KY and parts of western VA) destitute. Infrastructure and educational opportunities in many areas are limited at best (McDowell County in WV the most glaring example by far); even for the educated it is difficult to find good-paying work outside of the energy and health care fields.

I live here not because I have to, but because I want to, and I want to do my part to make this a better place to live and work.
2012-05-09 08:38:45 AM  
2 votes:
I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.
2012-05-09 03:09:46 PM  
1 votes:

discgolfguru: a_room_with_a_moose: /live in WV
///embarrassed by some of my fellow residents

Yup, me too. I will say, however, that some of my friends had very entertaining fights on facebook last night. I'd like to think that many of the West Virginians who voted for Judd either were trying to make a trollish point or simply didn't know anything about him. From things I have heard and read from locals, however, it is pretty difficult to go on believing it.


My county voted Obama at about 60%. I think most people were just picking anyone but Obama. This morning my facebook was full of fellow WVians calling the ones who voted for Judd dumbasses. Some of those had to have voted Judd too and just felt like asses when they found out though.
2012-05-09 08:58:23 AM  
1 votes:

Wind Chimes: send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal".


They should focus their attentions on Exxon and natural gas.
(pops)
2012-05-09 08:55:29 AM  
1 votes:

topcon: What percentage of blacks vote for black candidates, again? Oh, I'm sure they look at the issues and are intimately familiar with them, and the black candidates are just better 90 odd percent of the time, at every level of government.

But whitey is raciss.


I guarantee you more white people voted AGAINST Obama because he's black than black people voted FOR him for the same reason.
2012-05-09 08:49:51 AM  
1 votes:

Wind Chimes: I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.


That's the one thing I will NEVER understand about my neighbors 20 miles to the west of me: Every WVa native I've ever talked to including the coal miners, ESPECIALLY, the coal miners, HATE coal. They hate the Coal companies, they hate the damage mining does to thier state, and every single miner, to a man, hates the process of mining and swears they will do everything in their mortal power to make sure thier children don't follow them down into the mines.

Yet when they percieve that anyone is "dissing" coal, or soomehow making it less necessary, they get all up in arms and swear their undying allegience to coal and coal mining as way of life.
2012-05-09 08:45:48 AM  
1 votes:

Wind Chimes: I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.


While at the same time they have almost forgotten about the coal miners killed in the collapse where the mine shut down safety sensors because they were delaying production with annoying alerts that gas levels were too high. They have been ignoring for decades the effect on the health or their people and their environment all in the name of getting a few dollars out of the ground then the mine runs dry, the company moves on and leaves them jobless and hopeless in an environmental shiathole. Sounds like they are not thinking this all the way through.
2012-05-09 08:40:58 AM  
1 votes:

Great_Milenko: I knew WV would vote for anybody over a black man, but there are several white people in WV who are not currently in prison they could have chosen from.


yeah it couldn't have anything to do with his stances on the various issues concerning coal mining. Gotta be because he's black. racist democrats.
2012-05-09 08:28:56 AM  
1 votes:
This is the sort of thing I'm planning on doing for shiats and giggles, in 2020.

Only, screw a party, I'm running as the Summercat Candidate.

A vote for The Summercat is a vote for a post-industrial economy and society. You can clearly see what the right choice is in 2020.
2012-05-09 08:28:18 AM  
1 votes:
Knowing this was virtually a meaningless vote, maybe the voters of WV are using this as an opportunity to tell Obama that he should be doing better than the centrist Republican that he is.

/Maybe
2012-05-09 08:27:59 AM  
1 votes:

The DBS: He actually lost in a lot of counties when we had the primary here in Oklahoma earlier this year. He's not universally popular even amongst Democrats.


It's so cute you think OK has actual democrats. The truth is they were hunted to extinction years ago, and the ones they have there now were trucked in just to show the tourists, That's how RANDALL TERRY was able to get on the ballot as a Democrat, rather than having to run under his usual party affiliation, which is of course, Nutbag
2012-05-09 08:27:26 AM  
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: austin_millbarge: Yeah, but... c'mon.. it's West Virginia. I thought the entire state was a penitentiary.

A bleak, depressing confinement from which no hope escapes? Sounds like Ohio to me.


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Indeed.
2012-05-09 08:27:17 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe that's because many people voting in the meaningless democratic primaries are doing it just so they can vote against Obama?

/I'll vote for him in the general but did not bother with PA's primary
2012-05-09 08:26:09 AM  
1 votes:
West Virginia

/that is all
2012-05-09 08:25:00 AM  
1 votes:

austin_millbarge: Yeah, but... c'mon.. it's West Virginia. I thought the entire state was a penitentiary.


A bleak, depressing confinement from which no hope escapes? Sounds like Ohio to me.
 
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