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(ABC)   Obama faced a much tougher primary fight in West Virginia than expected with his challenger, Keith Judd, recieving almost 40% of the vote, despite the fact that Judd is currently an inmate in federal prison   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 101
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2012-05-09 09:04:32 AM  

monoski:

While at the same time they have almost forgotten about the coal miners killed in the collapse where the mine shut down safety sensors because they were delaying production with annoying alerts that gas levels were too high. They have been ignoring for decades the effect on the health or their people and their environment all in the name of getting a few dollars out of the ground then the mine runs dry, the company moves on and leaves them jobless and hopeless in an environmental shiathole. Sounds like they are not thinking this all the way through.


I agree; it is a very double-edged sword and many folks only want to see one side of the issue. Granted, wages for coal miners are not like they were 40+ years ago and most locals view coal mining in a narrow way-- as a way to support themselves and/or a family on a good income. Coal miners are lauded and celebrated as a part of our heritage. However, the flip side to that coin, as you noted, is pretty ugly. The environmental damage is obviously a gigantic issue that future generations will be forced to inherit, as well as the public health/occupational health hazards that go along with coal mining (black lung, injuries, etc.)

The poor and those that immigrated from Europe and elsewhere to work in the mines during the late 19th and early 20th century were a terribly oppressed people. Their descendants bear their psychological wounds, in my opinion. The 'rape and pillage' mentality of the early part of this century has left southern WV (not to mention eastern KY and parts of western VA) destitute. Infrastructure and educational opportunities in many areas are limited at best (McDowell County in WV the most glaring example by far); even for the educated it is difficult to find good-paying work outside of the energy and health care fields.

I live here not because I have to, but because I want to, and I want to do my part to make this a better place to live and work.
 
2012-05-09 09:07:13 AM  
CPennypacker


Without clicking the link I can tell he's white


It's almost like you say that with a little contempt. Are you a racist?

Yes. I hate white people. I'm a self-hating caucasian.

Oh sure....hide your shame behind bad humor.

Are idiots a race? Because I hate you too. Maybe they should lock me up.


Yikes....did a I hit a nerve? He doth protest too much methinks....

No, you're right. I don't take the time to get to know each individual idiot. Once I find out someone is an idiot, I have contempt for them regardless of the individual person. What a racist I am.



Still trying so very hard to define your stance, I see. Hey....don't worry about it....you're not a racist at all. You're a champion of the people!

You go, girl!
 
2012-05-09 09:07:41 AM  
Well, if there's a candidate more concerned with freedom than Keith Judd, I'd like to meet 'em.
 
2012-05-09 09:09:47 AM  
If you say this has anything to do with race, you are the racist.


/amidoingitright?
 
2012-05-09 09:12:12 AM  

Magorn: quatchi: fta: Judd would not be the first Democratic challenger to Obama to qualify for delegate representation at the 2012 Democratic National Convention. In Oklahoma's Democratic primary in March, Randall Terry, a Democratic candidate who founded the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue and has more than 50 arrests under his belt, received 18 percent of the vote in the primary, giving him one delegate.

Be proud, Okliedoklahoma and Worst Virginia.

Point of procedure here, if Mr Judd gets shanked in the shower with a rusty shiv and succumbs to his injuries who would then get to pick his delegate?

What?

It's a perfectly cromulent question.


Robert's Rules of Order says that in such a situation the delegates are automatically committed to the man whose biatch he was, or absent proof of such a relationship, the delegates devolve to whomever he owed the most cigarettes to.


Ah, thank you. That does seem fair, actually.

Man, that Robert guy thought of everything!
 
2012-05-09 09:12:21 AM  
Are there reasons for Democrats to be unhappy with Obama? Sure. Not any of the reasons the GOP/Teabaggers point to, but there are solid reasons for being less than satisfied.

Are those reasons sufficient to choose someone who was convicted for extortion and is doing time in a Federal PMITA Prison? No.

Not saying the good people of WV are racist, but they sure aren't making it difficult to draw that conclusion.
 
2012-05-09 09:13:47 AM  
Keith Judd?

That's the fat one, right?

/What?
 
2012-05-09 09:14:31 AM  
Fun fact: Obama still got thousands more votes than Romney.
 
2012-05-09 09:17:01 AM  
radioshack

CPennypacker: I guarantee you more white people voted AGAINST Obama because he's black than black people voted FOR him for the same reason.

I don't believe this in the least. You are basically saying 25% of the people that voted against Obama voted against him because of race. While I believe there are some who did, it's nowhere in the 25% range. Just look at polls when a black republican is running against a white democrat. Black Republican wins more than 75% of Republican vote. Your argument is stupid.




In 2004, Krissah Thompson of The Washington Post reports that on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show," which has an estimated 8 million radio listeners, Joyner, who is black, said, "Stick together, black people." when talking about the upcoming election. The show reaches one in four African-American adults.
Joyner went even further on his blog, writes Thompson: "Let's not deal with the facts right now," he said. "Let's deal with just our blackness and pride -- and loyalty. We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that's what we ought to be doing. And I'm not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he's a black man."

Rev. Al Sharpton, who also has a radio show and a gig on MSNBC, admonished blacks who have been critical of the president, "I'm not telling you to shut up. I'm telling you: Don't make some of us have to speak up."

Racism runs both ways!
 
2012-05-09 09:18:45 AM  

Wind Chimes: I live here not because I have to, but because I want to, and I want to do my part to make this a better place to live and work.


Good man, I hope someday you can make a difference. I was in VA this past weekend mt biking and there are really are some great places and there is money to be made without destroying them.
 
2012-05-09 09:21:01 AM  

karnal: Well - I think for me it was growing up Canadian and being the butt of the world's jokes....It really hurt, you know? ...of having to deal with the embarrassment of my fine country always being considered America's retarded cousin. I love flannel clothing and hockey....and even Anne Murray, you know....so what of it!! I am proud to hail from the Soviet Canuckistan! Get off my back bacon!


Canada is the butt of the worlds jokes?

Cool, you know a bunch of those?

Tell us all a good Canadian joke.

Here, I'll start you off...

Did you hear the one about the Newfie who went out ice fishing and brought home 3 tons of ice?

Think that's funny? His wife nearly drowned trying to cook it!

*slaps thigh*

*blink*
 
2012-05-09 09:24:41 AM  
Am I supposed to pretend that means something?
 
2012-05-09 09:26:11 AM  

a_room_with_a_moose: /live in WV
///embarrassed by some of my fellow residents


Yup, me too. I will say, however, that some of my friends had very entertaining fights on facebook last night. I'd like to think that many of the West Virginians who voted for Judd either were trying to make a trollish point or simply didn't know anything about him. From things I have heard and read from locals, however, it is pretty difficult to go on believing it.
 
2012-05-09 09:33:18 AM  
quatchi

karnal: Well - I think for me it was growing up Canadian and being the butt of the world's jokes....It really hurt, you know? ...of having to deal with the embarrassment of my fine country always being considered America's retarded cousin. I love flannel clothing and hockey....and even Anne Murray, you know....so what of it!! I am proud to hail from the Soviet Canuckistan! Get off my back bacon!

Canada is the butt of the worlds jokes?

Cool, you know a bunch of those?

Tell us all a good Canadian joke.

Here, I'll start you off...

Did you hear the one about the Newfie who went out ice fishing and brought home 3 tons of ice?

Think that's funny? His wife nearly drowned trying to cook it!

*slaps thigh*

*blink*



I am actually offended by that joke....my mom drowned herself in a vat of beer at the Molson Beer factory she worked at...it was a long painful drowning too since she had to get out three times to pee.
 
2012-05-09 09:50:51 AM  

A giddy RNC not mentioning that Inmate No. 11593-051 received only 3K votes less than Romney

- Sam Youngman (@samyoungman) May 9, 2012
 
2012-05-09 09:59:32 AM  

Magorn: Wind Chimes: I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.

That's the one thing I will NEVER understand about my neighbors 20 miles to the west of me: Every WVa native I've ever talked to including the coal miners, ESPECIALLY, the coal miners, HATE coal. They hate the Coal companies, they hate the damage mining does to thier state, and every single miner, to a man, hates the process of mining and swears they will do everything in their mortal power to make sure thier children don't follow them down into the mines.

Yet when they percieve that anyone is "dissing" coal, or soomehow making it less necessary, they get all up in arms and swear their undying allegience to coal and coal mining as way of life.


I'm going to go ahead and conclude that you're a space alien, because no one with the slightest familiarity with human nature would find the situation you've described the least bit perplexing. As Aristotle said, people are farking morans.
 
2012-05-09 10:08:45 AM  
So were these angry Dems, or is it an open primary suffering from "Operation Chaos part whatever we're on now"?
 
2012-05-09 10:12:49 AM  

karnal: I am actually offended by that joke....my mom drowned herself in a vat of beer at the Molson Beer factory she worked at...it was a long painful drowning too since she had to get out three times to pee.


Approves.

vreaa.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-09 10:49:57 AM  

quatchi: Keith Judd?

That's the fat one, right?

/What?


FTW
 
2012-05-09 11:07:49 AM  
How many votes was it? Was this for the full state?
 
2012-05-09 11:08:14 AM  

karnal: radioshack

CPennypacker: I guarantee you more white people voted AGAINST Obama because he's black than black people voted FOR him for the same reason.

I don't believe this in the least. You are basically saying 25% of the people that voted against Obama voted against him because of race. While I believe there are some who did, it's nowhere in the 25% range. Just look at polls when a black republican is running against a white democrat. Black Republican wins more than 75% of Republican vote. Your argument is stupid.



In 2004, Krissah Thompson of The Washington Post reports that on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show," which has an estimated 8 million radio listeners, Joyner, who is black, said, "Stick together, black people." when talking about the upcoming election. The show reaches one in four African-American adults.
Joyner went even further on his blog, writes Thompson: "Let's not deal with the facts right now," he said. "Let's deal with just our blackness and pride -- and loyalty. We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that's what we ought to be doing. And I'm not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he's a black man."

Rev. Al Sharpton, who also has a radio show and a gig on MSNBC, admonished blacks who have been critical of the president, "I'm not telling you to shut up. I'm telling you: Don't make some of us have to speak up."

Racism runs both ways!


Actually wrong...on so many levels... what you are talking about is cultural bias and voting towards ones self interest. Racism and specifically institutionalized racism indicates that one has to be in a position of power to discriminate, in which black people making up only 12.6% of the population have rare opportunities to do.
 
2012-05-09 11:14:16 AM  
They have open primaries, anyone can vote for anyone. This is reflective of nothing outside of West Virginia being West Virginia.
 
2012-05-09 11:17:01 AM  

Great_Milenko: I knew WV would vote for anybody over a black man, but there are several white people in WV who are not currently in prison they could have chosen from.


Yes, of course it has to do with race. It couldn't be because of him attempting to shut down their income abilities via the coal mine industry and WV is full of coal miners...NOOOO, it has to do with race. How very simplistic of you not to be able to think beyond race.
 
2012-05-09 11:25:29 AM  

austin_millbarge: Yeah, but... c'mon.. it's West Virginia. I thought the entire state was a penitentiary.


It's only medium security, and much easier to escape from than New York.
 
2012-05-09 11:34:59 AM  

taxachucetts: karnal: radioshack

CPennypacker: I guarantee you more white people voted AGAINST Obama because he's black than black people voted FOR him for the same reason.

I don't believe this in the least. You are basically saying 25% of the people that voted against Obama voted against him because of race. While I believe there are some who did, it's nowhere in the 25% range. Just look at polls when a black republican is running against a white democrat. Black Republican wins more than 75% of Republican vote. Your argument is stupid.



In 2004, Krissah Thompson of The Washington Post reports that on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show," which has an estimated 8 million radio listeners, Joyner, who is black, said, "Stick together, black people." when talking about the upcoming election. The show reaches one in four African-American adults.
Joyner went even further on his blog, writes Thompson: "Let's not deal with the facts right now," he said. "Let's deal with just our blackness and pride -- and loyalty. We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that's what we ought to be doing. And I'm not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he's a black man."

Rev. Al Sharpton, who also has a radio show and a gig on MSNBC, admonished blacks who have been critical of the president, "I'm not telling you to shut up. I'm telling you: Don't make some of us have to speak up."

Racism runs both ways!

Actually wrong...on so many levels... what you are talking about is cultural bias and voting towards ones self interest. Racism and specifically institutionalized racism indicates that one has to be in a position of power to discriminate, in which black people making up only 12.6% of the population have rare opportunities to do.



I try to stay open-minded and fair regarding this topic but there are few things more frustrating than people who draw a false equivalence between black racism and white racism--especially in politics. Both are bad, of course, but let's maintain perspective.

The entirety of Black America could get together and agree to act and vote in one way (which, by the way, an alarming amount of people already believe happens) and they still wouldn't make a dent in public policy compared to 5 minutes of Fox News programming. That lack of influence, the lack of strength in numbers, makes the stuff karnal was biatching about laughable. At the same time, that fact makes me at least see why some would want to try.

/Stop pissing your pants over Al Sharpton. Even MSNBC lovers don't take him seriously.
 
2012-05-09 11:35:29 AM  

glassa:
Yes, of course it has to do with race. It couldn't be because of him attempting to shut down their income abilities via the coal mine industry and WV is full of coal miners...NOOOO, it has to do with race. How very simplistic of you not to be able to think beyond race.


What law has Obama passed about coal mines?
 
2012-05-09 11:44:48 AM  
Seems they would rather have an imate running the asylum than a community organizer! A shout out to West Virginia!
 
2012-05-09 11:44:48 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: They have open primaries, anyone can vote for anyone.


Actually, no.

In West Virginia, candidates for the major political parties have to file an application to get on the ballot and, for the office of President, pay a registration fee of $2500. Then then have to file financial disclosure forms on a periodic basis.

Judd filed a petition in the state Supreme Court seeking a court order to be placed on the ballot, but the State said that was not necessary; "Just pays your money and send in your forms."

He also wanted the court to have ALL incarcerated people registered to vote, but the court dismissed his claim on this.

In some parts of West Virginia, criminal activity is almost a requirement for public office or, at least, a correlating condition.
 
2012-05-09 12:06:35 PM  

Magorn: Wind Chimes: I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.

That's the one thing I will NEVER understand about my neighbors 20 miles to the west of me: Every WVa native I've ever talked to including the coal miners, ESPECIALLY, the coal miners, HATE coal. They hate the Coal companies, they hate the damage mining does to thier state, and every single miner, to a man, hates the process of mining and swears they will do everything in their mortal power to make sure thier children don't follow them down into the mines.

Yet when they percieve that anyone is "dissing" coal, or soomehow making it less necessary, they get all up in arms and swear their undying allegience to coal and coal mining as way of life.


It's reality.. and the people in W VA tend to be very independent. They may hate being miners, buts its the only way they can help their kids escape the same fate.

One of the problems is that when the mines close, and their kids move away for better jobs and they dont have a mortgage they are underwater with, is that the only people who will be left in W.VA are the elderly (much like johnstown, PA due to the steel mills closing). So they you have doctors moving to the area to treat them and eventually when the elderly die out, you have pretty much the same problem again... the kids flee, the older doctors stay behind, more doctors move in to take care of them, etc. basically what you get is an economy totally driven by social security, medicare and welfare.
 
2012-05-09 12:13:21 PM  
I'd vote for him; He has the mightiest of mullets.

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-05-09 12:15:02 PM  

dwrash: So they you have doctors moving to the area to treat them and eventually when the elderly die out, you have pretty much the same problem again... the kids flee, the older doctors stay behind, more doctors move in to take care of them, etc. basically what you get is an economy totally driven by social security, medicare and welfare.


And meth. Don't forget the meth.
 
2012-05-09 12:23:21 PM  

The DBS: He actually lost in a lot of counties when we had the primary here in Oklahoma earlier this year. He's not universally popular even amongst Democrats.


Or most Democrats didn't bother voting in their primary when Obama is shoe-in. Derp.
 
2012-05-09 12:42:26 PM  

karnal: kxs401

CPennypacker: karnal: CPennypacker

Without clicking the link I can tell he's white


It's almost like you say that with a little contempt. Are you a racist?

Yes. I hate white people. I'm a self-hating caucasian.

This just in: contempt for racists now a form of racism.


Your comment was "Without clicking the link I can tell he's white" - sounds like you are grouping an entire race together. Nice.


No you moron, he is indicating that a group of people, from a specific state, have a long history of racist behavior against black americans. He played the odds which were like 1 million to 1 in his favor.

Just because you are incapable of doing simple prediction and probably absolutely suck at chess does not mean everyone else is as dumb as you are.
 
2012-05-09 01:05:12 PM  

Kazrath: karnal: kxs401

CPennypacker: karnal: CPennypacker

Without clicking the link I can tell he's white


It's almost like you say that with a little contempt. Are you a racist?

Yes. I hate white people. I'm a self-hating caucasian.

This just in: contempt for racists now a form of racism.


Your comment was "Without clicking the link I can tell he's white" - sounds like you are grouping an entire race together. Nice.

No you moron, he is indicating that a group of people, from a specific state, have a long history of racist behavior against black americans. He played the odds which were like 1 million to 1 in his favor.

Just because you are incapable of doing simple prediction and probably absolutely suck at chess does not mean everyone else is as dumb as you are.


So he was just stereotyping. That's ok!
 
2012-05-09 01:33:16 PM  
Al Gore got a higher percentage of the African American vote than Barack Obama did.

But sure, they're just voting for him because he's black. Right. Whatever.
 
2012-05-09 01:35:38 PM  
taxachucetts

karnal: radioshack

CPennypacker: I guarantee you more white people voted AGAINST Obama because he's black than black people voted FOR him for the same reason.

I don't believe this in the least. You are basically saying 25% of the people that voted against Obama voted against him because of race. While I believe there are some who did, it's nowhere in the 25% range. Just look at polls when a black republican is running against a white democrat. Black Republican wins more than 75% of Republican vote. Your argument is stupid.



In 2004, Krissah Thompson of The Washington Post reports that on "The Tom Joyner Morning Show," which has an estimated 8 million radio listeners, Joyner, who is black, said, "Stick together, black people." when talking about the upcoming election. The show reaches one in four African-American adults.
Joyner went even further on his blog, writes Thompson: "Let's not deal with the facts right now," he said. "Let's deal with just our blackness and pride -- and loyalty. We have the chance to re-elect the first African-American president, and that's what we ought to be doing. And I'm not afraid or ashamed to say that as black people, we should do it because he's a black man."

Rev. Al Sharpton, who also has a radio show and a gig on MSNBC, admonished blacks who have been critical of the president, "I'm not telling you to shut up. I'm telling you: Don't make some of us have to speak up."

Racism runs both ways!

Actually wrong...on so many levels... what you are talking about is cultural bias and voting towards ones self interest. Racism and specifically institutionalized racism indicates that one has to be in a position of power to discriminate, in which black people making up only 12.6% of the population have rare opportunities to do.


Tom Joyner and Al Sharpton are both in positions of power.
 
2012-05-09 01:45:08 PM  
Now That's What I Call a Taco!


Al Gore got a higher percentage of the African American vote than Barack Obama did.

But sure, they're just voting for him because he's black. Right. Whatever.


This is the crux of the matter - On the national level, Democrats typically get around 90 percent of the black vote.
Since the 80s, the percentage of white votes received by the Democrats' candidate for president has usually hovered around 39 percent.
If the GOP peeled off just 5 percent of the black vote, Democrats would be in jeopardy, and not just at the presidential level.
That is why Democrats are turning up the racist rhetoric - they fear fading away.
 
2012-05-09 01:45:38 PM  
IMHO, that says more about the people of WV than it does Obama.
 
2012-05-09 02:16:04 PM  

TNel: glassa:
Yes, of course it has to do with race. It couldn't be because of him attempting to shut down their income abilities via the coal mine industry and WV is full of coal miners...NOOOO, it has to do with race. How very simplistic of you not to be able to think beyond race.

What law has Obama passed about coal mines?


He hasn't, but he's made his feelings very known that he wants to bankrupt coal mining companies. You can try to ignore that all you want & be very simplistic by making it about race. But when it comes down to it, people are concerned for their livelihoods. Race doesn't even enter the equation no matter how much liberals want to make it that way.

"What I've said is that we would put a cap & trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100% auction on the cap & trade system....So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted." Obama, January 2008 to the San Fran Chronicle

Feel free to look it up for yourself.
 
2012-05-09 02:17:22 PM  

Wind Chimes: I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.


But hey, the liberals want to believe it's about race! Don't destroy their fantasies man!
 
2012-05-09 02:29:30 PM  

glassa: Wind Chimes: I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.

But hey, the liberals want to believe it's about race! Don't destroy their fantasies man!



Yes, of course. Because when coal miners are laid off and a mining company closes, it's all the fault of the guy who... hasn't actually passed any laws on the subject.

"Fantasies." Right.
 
2012-05-09 02:36:59 PM  

karnal: ....That is why Democrats are turning up the racist rhetoric - they fear fading away.


I bet if you asked these 39 percent where Obama was born or what religion he is, the bulk of them would say he is a Muslim from Africa.
 
2012-05-09 02:45:33 PM  
-Checks article to see if said inmate is white. Yup. Shine on, Deep South... shine on...
 
2012-05-09 02:46:29 PM  

Wasteland: glassa: Wind Chimes: I live in one of the counties in WV that Obama lost. Many people I know voted against Obama in the primary with the intention to send a message to Obama and his administration about the "war on coal". Obama is unpopular, especially in the southern counties, because a lot of coal miners have been laid off in recent months, at least one local coal company I know of declared bankruptcy and all those men lost their jobs/benefits, and the general populace appears to be laying the blame at the feet of the current administration and the EPA.

But hey, the liberals want to believe it's about race! Don't destroy their fantasies man!


Yes, of course. Because when coal miners are laid off and a mining company closes, it's all the fault of the guy who... hasn't actually passed any laws on the subject.

"Fantasies." Right.


He's stated his goal:

"What I've said is that we would put a cap & trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100% auction on the cap & trade system....So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted." Obama, January 2008 to the San Fran Chronicle
 
2012-05-09 02:52:12 PM  

glassa: TNel: glassa:
Yes, of course it has to do with race. It couldn't be because of him attempting to shut down their income abilities via the coal mine industry and WV is full of coal miners...NOOOO, it has to do with race. How very simplistic of you not to be able to think beyond race.

What law has Obama passed about coal mines?

He hasn't, but he's made his feelings very known that he wants to bankrupt coal mining companies. You can try to ignore that all you want & be very simplistic by making it about race. But when it comes down to it, people are concerned for their livelihoods. Race doesn't even enter the equation no matter how much liberals want to make it that way.

"What I've said is that we would put a cap & trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100% auction on the cap & trade system....So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted." Obama, January 2008 to the San Fran Chronicle

Feel free to look it up for yourself.


That sounds a lot like "Obama's coming for our guns" kind of paranoia
 
2012-05-09 03:04:04 PM  

glassa:
"What I've said is that we would put a cap & trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100% auction on the cap & trade system....So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted." Obama, January 2008 to the San Fran Chronicle

Feel free to look it up for yourself.


Not exactly what Free Republic thinks
 
2012-05-09 03:09:46 PM  

discgolfguru: a_room_with_a_moose: /live in WV
///embarrassed by some of my fellow residents

Yup, me too. I will say, however, that some of my friends had very entertaining fights on facebook last night. I'd like to think that many of the West Virginians who voted for Judd either were trying to make a trollish point or simply didn't know anything about him. From things I have heard and read from locals, however, it is pretty difficult to go on believing it.


My county voted Obama at about 60%. I think most people were just picking anyone but Obama. This morning my facebook was full of fellow WVians calling the ones who voted for Judd dumbasses. Some of those had to have voted Judd too and just felt like asses when they found out though.
 
2012-05-09 03:21:25 PM  

TNel: glassa:
Feel free to look it up for yourself.

That sounds a lot like "Obama's coming for our guns" kind of paranoia



Nah, he's just resorted to your basic, everyday selective quoting.
***
"But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can't, then we're gonna still be working on alternatives.

But ... let me sort of describe my overall policy. What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system. Which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants are being built, they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The only thing that I've said with respect to coal - I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter, as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it, that I think is the right approach. The same with respect to nuclear. Right now, we don't know how to store nuclear waste wisely and we don't know how to deal with some of the safety issues that remain. And so it's wildly expensive to pursue nuclear energy. But I tell you what, if we could figure out how to store it safely, then I think most of us would say that might be a pretty good deal.

The point is, if we set rigorous standards for the allowable emissions, then we can allow the market to determine and technology and entrepreneurs to pursue, what the best approach is to take, as opposed to us saying at the outset, here are the winners that we're picking and maybe we pick wrong and maybe we pick right."
***
- IOW, the full quote's pushing cap and trade as a means of advancing "clean coal" and other lines of lower-polution inquiry. And the part where he's clearly drawing that distinction is... immediately before and after the cited selection.

And on another note, speaking as a native Appalachian myself? Anyone who says that the color of the man's skin and the "secret Muslim" rumors don't play heavily into Obama's numbers in coal country is lying through their goddamn teeth. Identity politics is king, and "He just ain't like us" has cost Obama a lot of votes from people who agree with him line-by-line on policy.
 
2012-05-09 05:10:28 PM  
We get it, WV. He's black.
 
2012-05-09 06:02:46 PM  

Wasteland: TNel: glassa:
Feel free to look it up for yourself.

That sounds a lot like "Obama's coming for our guns" kind of paranoia


Nah, he's just resorted to your basic, everyday selective quoting.
***
"But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can't, then we're gonna still be working on alternatives.

But ... let me sort of describe my overall policy. What I've said is that we would put a cap and trade policy in place that is as aggressive if not more aggressive than anyone out there. I was the first call for 100 percent auction on the cap and trade system. Which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases that was emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants are being built, they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The only thing that I've said with respect to coal - I haven't been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as an ideological matter, as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it, that I think is the right approach. The same with respect to nuclear. Right now, we don't know how to store nuclear waste wisely and we don't know how to deal with ...


Sooo, basically what you're saying is that West Virginians don't give a crap about their financial stability or if they can support their families... it's just that West Virginian Democrats are racist.

Who cares about your livelihood, right?
 
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