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2012-05-09 08:37:34 AM
Yeah, the guy was right in using VoIP in flight, but the cops were right in saying next time just do what the flight attendants say, turn it off, and then afterwards take it up with the airline management. That avoids having THE GODDAMN COPS CALLED ON YOUR ASS.
 
2012-05-09 09:01:02 AM
I sincerely hope we can have an honest discussion on electronic devices in aircraft soon, because come ON.
 
2012-05-09 09:03:48 AM
I want to hear what Toby Zeigler has to say.
 
2012-05-09 09:05:24 AM
Between this and Delta pulling ads after the Catholic League got all butthurt at the Daily Show (even though they claim that's not why they did it), I don't think I'll be flying Delta again if I can help it.
 
2012-05-09 09:07:13 AM
And as usual the first thing the cops do is be rude and condescending assume they know what's happen and listen to no one except the person that called.
 
2012-05-09 09:07:18 AM
To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.
 
2012-05-09 09:07:26 AM
This could have been a Consumerist article. It certainly read like one.
 
2012-05-09 09:07:31 AM
IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.

I'm pretty much of the opinion that the only people that truly need to be reachable at any time are trauma surgeons and transplant candidates, and neither of those people are going to be able to do much midway through a transcon.

/I know, your call is -really- important though, and the rest of us need to hear it.
 
2012-05-09 09:07:45 AM

LasersHurt: I sincerely hope we can have an honest discussion on electronic devices in aircraft soon, because come ON.


There are still gas pumps that say not to use a cell phones because of risk of fire, so probably not.
 
2012-05-09 09:08:26 AM
What we have is flight crews which are the modern reincarnation of Captain Bligh. They may not understand the difference between cell and VoIP, they might not know what is legal and what isn't but they have authority to do as they please in the air.
 
2012-05-09 09:09:42 AM

LasersHurt: I sincerely hope we can have an honest discussion on electronic devices in aircraft soon, because come ON.


Okay.

I don't want people talking on cell phones during flights. Why? I'd rather not have a shiatton of people around me trying to talk over one another or the plane's engine because their call is soooooooo important it can't wait until the end of the flight.

Other than that, set the record straight with electronics and airplanes.

/frequent flyer
 
2012-05-09 09:12:08 AM

Endive Wombat: To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.


That pretty much covers it. fark that guy.
 
2012-05-09 09:12:16 AM

Endive Wombat: To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.


Nor do I think the people on the other end want to hear screaming kids, turbulence, those annoying announcements that wake people up, other people talking in the vicinity, etc.

However, I would love to be able to do my telecoms with the mute button on just so I can keep up in real time discussions. Usually I am traveling for work and my fellow employees aren't exactly the best note takers.
 
2012-05-09 09:12:29 AM
Dear Sky Waitress: quit making shiat up

That is all.
 
2012-05-09 09:12:31 AM
I'm..........sure..............call.........sou..............good..... ..................ear...............

Tried it once to see if I could talk to my son before his bedtime.


For those complaining about hearing. How do you get on a plane for hours at a time without noise cancelling headphones? Learn to tune people out.
 
2012-05-09 09:13:27 AM

buzzcut73: You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.


As an aside, it's reach the point where I'm happy to go watch movies at the most expensive theater in town, if it means I can be fairly certain my view won't be interrupted by a lit-up smartphone screen or a quartet of teenagers who won't ever shut up.

But then, we all get what we pay for.
 
2012-05-09 09:14:27 AM

babysealclubber: Between this and Delta pulling ads after the Catholic League got all butthurt at the Daily Show (even though they claim that's not why they did it), I don't think I'll be flying Delta again if I can help it.


Actually, Delta admitted it.
 
2012-05-09 09:14:55 AM
I flew Delta lat summer and had no issues with them. But only takes one flight attendant on a power trip to cause problems.

BTW, use Viber all the time, love it.
 
2012-05-09 09:15:52 AM

buzzcut73: IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.


Except what about the planes that have a telephone on the back of every row next to the TV?

Seems like what they really don't want is people not using the $12 per minute airphone.

The problem is, how is Joe Flight Attendant supposed to know that you're making a VoIP call vs a traditional cell call.

/I really hate the people who go wandering around the grocery store with their phone on speaker carrying on a conversation.
 
2012-05-09 09:16:59 AM
In other news, people need to make telephone calls while flying someplace at 520 MPH 34,000 ft. over the earth. Of course they do.
 
2012-05-09 09:17:11 AM
As I understand it the guy did comply with shutting off the device, but the flight attendants got worked up because he questioned whether it was an FAA ruling.

Why is it that being given a bit of authority tends to turn most people into douche bags? This should have been a five minute conversation, with zero police involvement.
 
2012-05-09 09:17:38 AM
My pet peeve is people who can't wait a few hours to smoke, phone, stop listening to loud music when asked to in a public area.

Unless it's a life and death emergency, stop.
 
2012-05-09 09:18:08 AM
staring at the big boobies popping out of way low cut blouses in the supermarket is also frowned upon but no calls to 911 so far

/i prefer a petite bosom
//and legs that go all the way up to here
 
2012-05-09 09:18:34 AM

BizarreMan: buzzcut73: IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.

Except what about the planes that have a telephone on the back of every row next to the TV?

Seems like what they really don't want is people not using the $12 per minute airphone.

The problem is, how is Joe Flight Attendant supposed to know that you're making a VoIP call vs a traditional cell call.

/I really hate the people who go wandering around the grocery store with their phone on speaker carrying on a conversation.

 
2012-05-09 09:18:35 AM
BUT I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE YOUR WIFI HOW I WANT! OCCUPY DELTA!
 
2012-05-09 09:18:50 AM

gopher321: Yeah, the guy was right in using VoIP in flight, but the cops were right in saying next time just do what the flight attendants say, turn it off, and then afterwards take it up with the airline management. That avoids having THE GODDAMN COPS CALLED ON YOUR ASS.


Talmon Marco, you are technically correct - the best kind of correct.
 
2012-05-09 09:18:57 AM

Genju: Endive Wombat: To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.

Nor do I think the people on the other end want to hear screaming kids, turbulence, those annoying announcements that wake people up, other people talking in the vicinity, etc.

However, I would love to be able to do my telecoms with the mute button on just so I can keep up in real time discussions. Usually I am traveling for work and my fellow employees aren't exactly the best note takers.


And you can do that through webex...the audio can come from the computer (presentation) where you do not have to actually call in. And if you need to participate in any meaningful way, there is always a chat window
 
2012-05-09 09:19:09 AM

BizarreMan: buzzcut73: IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.

Except what about the planes that have a telephone on the back of every row next to the TV?

Seems like what they really don't want is people not using the $12 per minute airphone.

The problem is, how is Joe Flight Attendant supposed to know that you're making a VoIP call vs a traditional cell call.

/I really hate the people who go wandering around the grocery store with their phone on speaker carrying on a conversation.


At least it isn't earpiece guy that freaks you out at first because you think they're schizophrenic and talking to Sam.
 
2012-05-09 09:20:07 AM
Why didn't anyone check his asshole?
 
2012-05-09 09:20:25 AM

buzzcut73: IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.


The ban on phones on planes was never about making the ride nicer.
 
2012-05-09 09:22:54 AM
I'm torn with this one.

Partly I side with the guy. He was attempting to use a service that is within safety guidelines and he wasn't doing anything awfully disruptive, nor does it appear that at any point he became abusive or confrontational. So in a way I applaud him for not just backing down as soon as he was told he couldn't do something and exercising his right to ask why they were interfering with his buisiness.

But then I consider what it would be like if even just 5 of the 40 people in my vicinity on an average flight were making phone calls. It would be disruptive. And I don't know what the average would be if they did allow phone calls. I suppose in this day and age it's possible that maybe 1 in 4 people would want to be making phone calls. That would make it hard for people who were trying to sleep or people who just wanted to concentrate on reading.

So yeah, I don't like that they were able to stop this guy doing something that isn't dangerous or against FAA regulations. And I especially don't like that they were able to get the police involved. But I kinda do think it's in everyone's best interests that planes are a call free environment.
 
2012-05-09 09:24:01 AM
Good, good... Let the butthurt flow through you...
 
2012-05-09 09:24:25 AM

Cheron: What we have is flight crews which are the modern reincarnation of Captain Bligh.


Oh! The example is so close to being a good one.

In reality, Captain Bligh was relatively progressive in his command style, and was a top-notch sailor and navigator. In short, he was one of the best in his feild. In contrast, Fletcher Christian was more like Mr. VOIP douchebag- not real big on rules, and basically a self-important trouble maker.
 
2012-05-09 09:26:22 AM

Endive Wombat: Genju: Endive Wombat: To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.

Nor do I think the people on the other end want to hear screaming kids, turbulence, those annoying announcements that wake people up, other people talking in the vicinity, etc.

However, I would love to be able to do my telecoms with the mute button on just so I can keep up in real time discussions. Usually I am traveling for work and my fellow employees aren't exactly the best note takers.

And you can do that through webex...the audio can come from the computer (presentation) where you do not have to actually call in. And if you need to participate in any meaningful way, there is always a chat window


Ah I hate webex so bad. so laggy and randomly disconnecting even without a crappy connection. We use it to share powerpoint and OVs/SVs and stuff during our telecoms. Yeah I just love getting off the plane from a flight from Florida to California and going "you told them we'd do what???"
 
2012-05-09 09:26:36 AM

fireclown: buzzcut73: IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.

The ban on phones on planes was never about making the ride nicer.


You're missing the point, he's not talking about phones in general, just VoIP service. In this particular case I agree with the flight attendants. In fact, I believe anyone that wants to talk on the phone mid-flight should be sent straight to jail. Obnoxious.
 
2012-05-09 09:26:56 AM

Endive Wombat: To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.


THIS is actually why it is prohibited. It is a Delta policy, though not FAA. I figure they told him it was an FAA reg because he was being a self important douche bag and refusing to get off the phone.


/Delta does suck, but this guy sounds like an ass.
 
2012-05-09 09:27:03 AM

Genju: Endive Wombat: To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.

Nor do I think the people on the other end want to hear screaming kids, turbulence, those annoying announcements that wake people up, other people talking in the vicinity, etc.

However, I would love to be able to do my telecoms with the mute button on just so I can keep up in real time discussions. Usually I am traveling for work and my fellow employees aren't exactly the best note takers.


Put your phone on wifi, plus some standard headphone in, no one is going to say anything, they will just assume your listening to music. Is there a technical difference between listening to pandora (which would be allowed) and listening to your conference call.
 
2012-05-09 09:27:28 AM

gopher321: Yeah, the guy was right in using VoIP in flight, but the cops were right in saying next time just do what the flight attendants say, turn it off, and then afterwards take it up with the airline management. That avoids having THE GODDAMN COPS CALLED ON YOUR ASS.


Always do what authority says. Avoid trouble at all costs. Do not make waves. Never stand up for your rights.
 
2012-05-09 09:27:29 AM
Without regard to FAA regulations on the use of VoIP, federal law requires that a passenger aboard any aircraft immediately follow the instructions of a member of the flight crew. If he was told not to do this and he did anyway, he broke the law. It makes no different if the crew member was wrong. That's a matter to be taken up with Delta management later.

Still, this is a tad over-the-top. I am pretty sure Talmon Marco will be receiving a contrite call from Delta's PR department and a few vouchers for future flights.
 
2012-05-09 09:27:57 AM
So...plane using wifi = no prob

Handheld device using OTHER data services= ZOMG URE GONNA MAKE THE PLANE CRASH!!!!

whatever...sheeple are dumb.
 
2012-05-09 09:28:04 AM

fireclown: buzzcut73: IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.

The ban on phones on planes was never about making the ride nicer.


joeratt.com
It was about selling their own service, right?
 
2012-05-09 09:29:02 AM

Endive Wombat: To be perfectly honest, as much as I hate regulation and the like...I do not want to hear some self important douche bags phone call on my next 5 hour, cross country flight.


Can I petition them to turn off those annoying ass bings for when the seatbelt lights come on (we're not supposed to take them off right?) or when someone wants a stewardess? Those bother me 10x more than people talking to each other on a plane do, and when I've seen people talking on a phone whilst taxiing toward the tarmac, it's been no louder than normal talk.

/frequent flier
//get some bose noise cancelling headphones
 
2012-05-09 09:29:19 AM
If people are going to be rude about everything, including electronic devices, then why have I been so reluctant to bring children onto a plane? They want to go to Disney. They might need to scream and kick chairs through the entire 3 hour flight, but if everyone else can be rude, why can't I?
 
2012-05-09 09:29:47 AM
Free publicity? You're doing it right.
 
2012-05-09 09:30:15 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: I'm..........sure..............call.........sou..............good..... ..................ear...............

Tried it once to see if I could talk to my son before his bedtime.


For those complaining about hearing. How do you get on a plane for hours at a time without noise cancelling headphones? Learn to tune people out.


you, DIAF.

Startup man, SHUT THE fark UP ON THE PLANE, just SHUT THE fark UP. the other passengers should have gone all Flight 93 on your biatch ass
 
2012-05-09 09:30:24 AM

The sound of one hand clapping: But then I consider what it would be like if even just 5 of the 40 people in my vicinity on an average flight were making phone calls. It would be disruptive. And I don't know what the average would be if they did allow phone calls. I suppose in this day and age it's possible that maybe 1 in 4 people would want to be making phone calls. That would make it hard for people who were trying to sleep or people who just wanted to concentrate on reading.


What flights are you on where fewer than "5 of the 40 people around you" aren't constantly yacking anyway? On most flights I'm on, people are constantly talking to each other all around me. Unless you're suggesting that people using VoIP shout louder than regular talkers, I can't fathom how they would make flying any worse than it already is.
 
2012-05-09 09:30:52 AM

BizarreMan: buzzcut73: IIRC, most VoIP providers are blocked from in-flight WiFi because nobody wants to share a space with a hundred other self-important douchebags that think they have to be talking to somebody or reachable by phone every minute of every day. You know, the same people that keep their phone turned on in the movie theater, in restaurants, wherever they happen to be.

Except what about the planes that have a telephone on the back of every row next to the TV?

Seems like what they really don't want is people not using the $12 per minute airphone.

The problem is, how is Joe Flight Attendant supposed to know that you're making a VoIP call vs a traditional cell call.

/I really hate the people who go wandering around the grocery store with their phone on speaker carrying on a conversation.


Make your VOIP call using some sort of headset, and then just hold up the airphone receiver to your ear. Problem solved.
 
2012-05-09 09:31:34 AM
if you don't like all the other noise on a plane, try them - they work...
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-05-09 09:31:39 AM
Also, stop telling me to turn off my kindle during take off. The screen saver will cause as much interference whether I'm reading or not.
 
2012-05-09 09:31:43 AM
Reasonable discussion about how he followed orders immediately and inquired as to the rules and yet the police were called?

No?

Well, I must have been a fool to expect that. Sorry.
 
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