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2012-05-09 02:39:09 AM
WhyteRaven74 - Freeloading off others, contributing nothing - blaming all - liberal WhyteRaven74 way

Seriously - you look like this dude I went to HS with in the early 90s - I kid you not - do you have a 12 string you don't quite know the chords for?
 
2012-05-09 02:39:26 AM

WhyteRaven74: Ricardo Klement: Time to brush up on what happened in the intervening years between the Whigs and Republicans.

Not a whole lot really.


From the 'pedia: "In the north most ex-Whigs joined the new Republican party, and in the South, they flocked to a new short-lived "American" party."

Seems like something similar could happen again: in the North, a conservative group primarily focused on fiscal and international conservatism while remaining socially conservative, but in the South and the fly-over states, the Bible Party, focused on socially invasive government and anti-immigration. They'll win the greater number of conservative seats in Congress, and the coalition will do well in the legislature, but the presidential elections will go Democratic until the bible-thumpers finally lose in the long-run, trading their social agenda for anti-immigration in a new conservative party.
 
2012-05-09 02:39:40 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The pressure from Rome would have sealed that vote.


JFK didn't give a rats ass about Rome.
 
2012-05-09 02:40:42 AM

fn129: Doran: bobbette: I bet if interracial marriage was put on the ballot most of the backwards-ass Southern states with constitutional same-sex marriage bans would outlaw it as well.

I don't think we should let them know them "coloured" people are even getting married. They might ban it.

It's telling that the land of freedom is almost the only Western country that hasn't legalized gay marriage.

Most western countries have not legalized gay marriage. Most of them have marriage equivalent civil unions that are nationally recognized though, so that you do have right. Hopefully in 30 years we will have full marriage rights in the entire western world (although I am not holding my breath on that one).

However, right now I am just hoping I don't lose the rights I have now. Luckily I live in Illinois, where we pretty much have all the rights we can possibly have in this country. We don't have "marriage" yet, but the civil unions we do have are all encompassing (as far as any state can make it), and all enacting gay marriage would do is change the word "civil union" to "marriage". I have full adoption rights and I don't have to worry about housing or employment discrimination either. Illinois has its problems, but it is a pretty good place to live overall.


How does that work for federal taxes? Can you claim the spouse deduction?
 
2012-05-09 02:40:50 AM
Obama approves.....or does he? I guess he does as that's the last he said on it. Maybe.
 
2012-05-09 02:41:40 AM

Little.Alex: and he's nothing but an affirmative action retard.


Who somehow became editor of the Harvard Law Review. You really are a bitter nobody, you can't stand that someone out there who is not like you, who does not think as you do, has accomplished something with their life while all you are capable of doing is attempting to belittle people on the internet.
 
2012-05-09 02:42:34 AM

Chimperror2: Obama approves.....or does he? I guess he does as that's the last he said on it. Maybe.


Ah it's another of the cowering idiots who can't stand that there are those in the world who differ from them.
 
2012-05-09 02:43:58 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Little.Alex: AverageAmericanGuy: WhyteRaven74: Little.Alex: What it does mean is that we have a set of traditions in place that, I think, need to be preserved,

The law does not exist to preserve tradition.

Sure it does. It protects the values and enforces behavior that the community (or lawmakers) feel are important. It limits the behaviors the community disfavors.

That said, it's a pretty shiatty community that would vote for something like this.


Why? What's so terrible about people voting to protect a fundamental part of their culture, from a minority who want to redefine society?

...

Vile little farker.

Equal treatment is "special rights"? Being treated as a citizen of the country you live in is "special rights"? Being able to love who you want in peace is "special rights"? "Minorities running the country into the ground"? Racist, homophobic, and an all-around evil little worm. I'm glad you left the US, the less filth like you here the better.



Thanks for proving my point about the Left being too ignorant, intolerant, immature and insulting to be persuasive. Your obvious mental illness makes my case than anything I could post.
 
2012-05-09 02:45:58 AM

jizonny: Sometimes I think the Fark logo needs to be backed by a huge rainbow, because that's all who post here.


i48.photobucket.com

I guess tolerance only works when you want someone to accept your views? You shouldn't have to tolerate theirs?

When your views are pants on head retarded: No.

Is this not a majority rules country?

In matters that are none of the majority's God damn business: no, it is (or should be) a "majority can mind its own God damn business" country. Democracy does not mean two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner.

If I want someone to recognize the sweet love I make to the horse in the barn, should I be entitled to tax benefits and societal acceptance?

Once more with feeling: Horses cannot give consent.

Now, please explain to the class what arguments you have against gay marriage other than the ick factor and Bible thumping. Deal with the ick factor by minding your own God damn business. And if teh ghey is against God's law, then God can arrest the Feelthy Queers.
 
2012-05-09 02:46:30 AM
Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.
 
2012-05-09 02:46:41 AM

lohphat: an ignorant troll?



From your profile:

If you have to resort to personal attacks, you've already lost.


Tough to follow your own rules, eh?
 
2012-05-09 02:46:47 AM

The_Sponge: draa: What's sad is that you can't see the difference in hating gays and then passing laws to discriminate against them or just saying I hate gays and leaving it at that. And what the fark is with your hard-on for Obama. Every post of yours mentions him. I'd call that pretty gay myself.


What's sad is that I brought up a valid point, and it pissed you off.

Every post? Child please.


You sound defensive.

I'm not pissed but I don't see Obama out campaigning for bans on gay marriage. There is a difference to most people. Some people don't like Bulldogs either, or Chows, but only the asshole rail against them like Republicans do against gays. Total bullshiat and just another reason I'm no longer voting Republican.
 
2012-05-09 02:47:18 AM

Little.Alex: Why? What's so terrible about people voting to protect a fundamental part of their culture, from a minority who want to redefine society?


You know who else wanted to protect a fundamental part of their culture?
 
2012-05-09 02:47:23 AM

WhyteRaven74: Little.Alex: and he's nothing but an affirmative action retard.

Who somehow became editor of the Harvard Law Review.




Why do you suppose he won't release his grades? Bush and Kerry did.

Why do you suppose he was made editor of HLR - when he never wrote a word?

Why was he unpublished for 12 year in academia?

Affirmative Action all the way.

And the personal insults are beneath you, and prove the emptiness of your position.
 
2012-05-09 02:50:15 AM

The_Sponge: Fart_Machine: Because those who don't live here think everything is like the Bay Area.


What about the state legislature? Don't they reflect the state's political climate?

/Lived in CA for 4 years.


As I said earlier you have a large Hispanic voting population which is socially conservative but still votes Democratic thanks to Pete Wilson. Same goes with other minority demographics; they tend to be social conservatives but moderate in other areas which is why measures like Prop 8 pass but Democrats still have a majority in the legislature. Likewise Orange County, San Diego County, and parts of Northern California are pretty conservative.
 
2012-05-09 02:50:21 AM

lohphat: Once you leave the urban centers of California ANYWHERE it gets poor, ignorant, and hick real quick.


FTFY
 
2012-05-09 02:51:59 AM

Little.Alex: Keizer_Ghidorah: Little.Alex: AverageAmericanGuy: WhyteRaven74: Little.Alex: What it does mean is that we have a set of traditions in place that, I think, need to be preserved,

The law does not exist to preserve tradition.

Sure it does. It protects the values and enforces behavior that the community (or lawmakers) feel are important. It limits the behaviors the community disfavors.

That said, it's a pretty shiatty community that would vote for something like this.


Why? What's so terrible about people voting to protect a fundamental part of their culture, from a minority who want to redefine society?

...

Vile little farker.

Equal treatment is "special rights"? Being treated as a citizen of the country you live in is "special rights"? Being able to love who you want in peace is "special rights"? "Minorities running the country into the ground"? Racist, homophobic, and an all-around evil little worm. I'm glad you left the US, the less filth like you here the better.


Thanks for proving my point about the Left being too ignorant, intolerant, immature and insulting to be persuasive. Your obvious mental illness makes my case than anything I could post.


And assuming I'm on "the Left" and that I represent them for your shiatty views, even more pitiful fail.

I don't give a rat's ass whose "side" you're on, if you applaud treating others as less than human because of your narrow-minded idiocy and spiteful little black heart, you're filth. And it's ironic and amusing how you're accusing me of being ignorant, intolerant, immature and insulting when you went on about how much you hate gays and minorities and how you'd happily do whatever you could to oppress them. At least you're honest about your hateful pettiness, refreshing if sickening.
 
2012-05-09 02:52:27 AM

WhyteRaven74: Chimperror2: Obama approves.....or does he? I guess he does as that's the last he said on it. Maybe.

Ah it's another of the cowering idiots who can't stand that there are those in the world who differ from them.


I don't get it. Do you differ from the voters in North Carolina? I don't think I stated a position. But personally I don't care if gays can marry. I'm only pointing out that it appears Obama agrees with the majority of North Carolina voters.

/It would be entertaining to see a party breakdown of those voting. The results from NC would make leftists apoplectic.
 
2012-05-09 02:52:48 AM
Republicans are evil, disgusting scum.
 
2012-05-09 02:53:02 AM

WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.


While I've never actually had any sexual feelings towards any of my relatives (well, other than that one cousin) I'm not sure that the incest laws (assuming consensual adults) have any constitutional validity. There are of course genetic reproductive issues but other than that what's the problem?
 
2012-05-09 02:54:11 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Little.Alex: Why? What's so terrible about people voting to protect a fundamental part of their culture, from a minority who want to redefine society?

You know who else wanted to protect a fundamental part of their culture?


redroom.com

mattlitton.com

A democrat FTW!
 
2012-05-09 02:55:17 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Little.Alex: Why? What's so terrible about people voting to protect a fundamental part of their culture, from a minority who want to redefine society?

You know who else wanted to protect a fundamental part of their culture?


That what Litte.Minded.Alex doesn't get: slavery and segregation and anti-miscegenation were "part of their culture" too. But they were wrong and violated basic rights.

Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are only for some people apparently.
 
2012-05-09 02:57:51 AM

FuturePastNow: Republicans are evil, disgusting scum.


Hey now. Let's not get carried away.

I think we can agree that North Carolinians are evil, disgusting scum.
 
2012-05-09 02:58:11 AM

WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.


With the notable exception of Thomas, justices tend to get less conservative as they age. It would come down to Kennedy. In cases that have little to do with corporate rights, he is a toss-up. He wants the reputation as The Great Swing Voter. As he has sided with Heller and Citizens United, he needs a big-ticket liberal case to cement his place in history. It's either this or Obamacare.
 
2012-05-09 02:59:30 AM

Chimperror2: I'm only pointing out that it appears Obama agrees with the majority of North Carolina voters.


Agreeing with something and being politically expedient are two very different things.
 
2012-05-09 02:59:48 AM

Little.Alex: draa: Little.Alex: And the Socialist Left is vulgar and insulting to Christians anyway, especially here on FARK. So what many people from traditional backgrounds hear from the Left is "Fark you, we hate you, we spit on you.... now here's what you can do for us."

Every time I see that I have to laugh. Some of us on Socialist Left were on the right not long ago. It's damn funny that you don't realize that old time conservatives, or people who would vote conservative, are fleeing the Republican party in droves right now. It's people like you, and the Sponge, that are doing the Democrats the most good. Of course George W Bush didn't help either but you farkers are in for a rough time politically in the next few decades. Hate doesn't win and neither does stupidity.


Stupidity does too win! Barrack Obama got elected, and he's nothing but an affirmative action retard.

BTW: nobody is "fleeing the Republican party in droves" That's just a lie you made up because you're ghey. Educated people look at the disaster of European Socialism, and they are fleeing the Democrat party in droves.


Way to go. It always has to go to that level with conservatives doesn't it. I haven't said one bad thing to you and you call me gay. Without even knowing me. You also say it like it's supposed to be bad, go fark yourself you little twat. I've pissed on better people than you just for fun. And I was a conservative before the best part of you ran down your mamas's ass crack. Back when they had enough sense to give assholes like you a blanket party for being so damn stupid. And who gives a fark about Obama? He isn't the one that made Republicans so goddamn ignorant, they did that all by themselves,
 
2012-05-09 03:01:33 AM

al's hat: WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.

While I've never actually had any sexual feelings towards any of my relatives (well, other than that one cousin) I'm not sure that the incest laws (assuming consensual adults) have any constitutional validity. There are of course genetic reproductive issues but other than that what's the problem?


Bans on marriage between close relatives would be subject to rational basis scrutiny because we aren't dealing with a protected class. All the state has to do is show that there's some sort of rational explanation for why there's a government interest and it will stand up under rational basis, and well, it's not hard to show that there's a government interest in discouraging cousin marriage because it's in the state's interest to try to discourage people from inbreeding.
 
2012-05-09 03:02:27 AM

al's hat: WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.

While I've never actually had any sexual feelings towards any of my relatives (well, other than that one cousin) I'm not sure that the incest laws (assuming consensual adults) have any constitutional validity. There are of course genetic reproductive issues but other than that what's the problem?


and if genetic/reproductive issues are a constitutionally valid reason for outlawing marriage where do you draw the line? Forced sterilization for anyone with a genetic condition they're at risk of handing down to their children anyone?
 
2012-05-09 03:03:03 AM
Stanley Milgram, I assume, would be proud.
 
2012-05-09 03:03:55 AM

WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex


If the cousins married outside of the state of Texas and then moved there, there's not a damn thing the state could do about it.
 
2012-05-09 03:04:26 AM
OK Birthers, fark OFF. Marriage as an institution is MOOT when the divorce rate is upwards of 50%.
Marriage IS NOT being catholic and going to a church. YOU CAN GO BEFORE A JUDGE NOT A PRIEST and get married.

GOD PEOPLE it's 2012. Grandpa's "bachelor" brother (that's what teh gays were called back then) WAS GAY!!

There are more pressing issues to be dealt with. HELLO PEOPLE. Crime. Unemployment. Cops becoming god themselves
and deciding to shoot matilda because she didn't have her proper prescription. Politicians are CROOKS. Wall ST-EVERYONE
should have been arrested and shot for what they DID and ARE DOING to the USA.

But no, teh GAYS are taking over and must be stopped.

Pathetic.

Just think, "up next on Jerry Springer, Mike and Mike want a divorce".

These "bible" people just get to me. UM, WHAT DID JESUS ALWAYS SAY???
Never cast stones. Pray for them. And they ALL act like they NEVER sinned. Really people?? U GOD URSELF??
 
2012-05-09 03:04:35 AM

wedding vegetables:
one of my coworkers was all pissy because her Facebook buddy claimed that the people who voted against it are bigots. I disagree - some are bigots, some are assholes, some are busybodies who care way too much about who someone else is farking, some are ignorant, and some are too weak and easily led by their pastor to think for themselves or listen to reason.
.


If it looks like a bigot, acts like a bigot and quacks like a bigot, I'm going to call it a bigot. And voting for this amendment hits on all three, so yeah, everyone who voted for this abomination is a bigot, and I'm not going to be shy about telling them so.
 
2012-05-09 03:05:57 AM
Easily predicting two things...

That this amendment would pass in spite of my voting against it

That liberals would quickly descend in to bigotry as they got a brand new excuse to pull out their 'Anti-South' prejudice.

I do hope those you running around here going on about 'red necks' 'hicks' 'hillbillies' 'bible thumpers' and so on and so forth are quite proud of yourselves because you're behaving precisely the same as the people who voted for this amendment. Oh by the way? That's not going to change anyone's mind and if anything it's going to alienate more people from your way of thinking on equal rights for homosexuals. So good job, keep it up, the homophobes need your support.

Now then for the rest of you, which I hope is most of you, what can you do to actually help unlike the above idiots? Well, if you're a liberal the first thing you're going to have to do is honestly admit to yourself that you have a problem. A big one. Amendments like this always pass with large numbers of registered Democrats and that includes people who are otherwise 'big government' liberals that you get along with on most issues. This is not a small number of people we're talking about here. The majority of the votes come from Republicans, but they alone can't do it.

You need to start working on people on your side. They're not going to listen to me, I'm a conservative, my reasoning for equal rights for homosexuals is not based on the same ideas liberals typically use. I will continue to work on the conservatives as best I can but it should be easier for you to convince other liberals than it is for me to convince other conservatives. You don't have to convince everyone. In the case of California all it would have taken was convincing about 5% of the people more towards the middle of the issue that you were right. They're out there and you can talk to them, like grown ups, and not with name calling and stupidity.
 
2012-05-09 03:07:33 AM

randomjsa: That liberals would quickly descend in to bigotry as they got a brand new excuse to pull out their 'Anti-South' prejudice.


Please provide a rational basis for conservatives to support the amendment.
 
2012-05-09 03:07:36 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Little.Alex: Keizer_Ghidorah: Little.Alex: AverageAmericanGuy: WhyteRaven74: Little.Alex: What it does mean is that we have a set of traditions in place that, I think, need to be preserved,
...

I don't give a rat's ass whose "side" you're on, if you applaud treating others as less than human because of your narrow-minded idiocy and spiteful little black heart, you're filth. And it's ironic and amusing how you're accusing me of being ignorant, intolerant, immature and insulting when you went on about how much you hate gays and minorities and how you'd happily do whatever you could to oppress them. At least you're honest about your hateful pettiness, refreshing if sickening.


talentmechanic.files.wordpress.com

Jebus: what a melodramatic, silly, little boy you are. I bet you practice those kind of speeches in front of the mirror.

Nobody I know "hates gays." Nobody I can name, except you, is "spiteful" about such a trivial issue. The truth is; to normal people this matters very little. It doesn't even make the top 20 in most polls of issues people care about.

In fact; it polls as the 29th most important issue.
Link

But the generally hateful tone one hears from the Left brings out the voters on the Right, doesnt' it? All that vitriol is better than a campaign contribution!

I mean; the vote wasn't even close, 60/40. And that was with only 11% of people bothering to vote. I'm sure 100% of the gheys voted, but scarcely anybody else bothered - and you gheys still got smashed. If people were as exited by this issue as you suggest; you would have lost 20 to 1.

So please; when you settle down, go out and collect a bunch of your fellows and vandalise a StarBucks like the OWS guys do. Or just contribute $500 to Romney. It works out the same.
 
2012-05-09 03:08:04 AM

WhyteRaven74: WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex

If the cousins married outside of the state of Texas and then moved there, there's not a damn thing the state could do about it.


SUBCHAPTER C. DECLARING A MARRIAGE VOID

Sec. 6.201. Consanguinity.

A marriage is void if one party to the marriage is related to the other as:

(1) an ancestor or descendant, by blood or adoption;

(2) a brother or sister, of the whole or half blood or by adoption;

(3) a parent's brother or sister, of the whole or half blood or by adoption; or

(4) a son or daughter of a brother or sister, of the whole or half blood or by adoption.

http://capitol.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/statutes.html
 
2012-05-09 03:08:48 AM

Little.Alex: So please; when you settle down, go out and collect a bunch of your fellows and vandalise a StarBucks like the OWS guys do. Or just contribute $500 to Romney. It works out the same.


So what rational basis do self-styled conservatives have for supporting the amendment?
 
2012-05-09 03:10:12 AM

rynthetyn: al's hat: WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.

While I've never actually had any sexual feelings towards any of my relatives (well, other than that one cousin) I'm not sure that the incest laws (assuming consensual adults) have any constitutional validity. There are of course genetic reproductive issues but other than that what's the problem?

Bans on marriage between close relatives would be subject to rational basis scrutiny because we aren't dealing with a protected class. All the state has to do is show that there's some sort of rational explanation for why there's a government interest and it will stand up under rational basis, and well, it's not hard to show that there's a government interest in discouraging cousin marriage because it's in the state's interest to try to discourage people from inbreeding.


I'd say you've made a pretty good argument for the government to require approval for all marriages on a case by case basis. There are a lot of folks who should be discouraged from breeding regardless of who they are breeding with. Genetic screening has progressed to the point that close relatives could be prohibited from breeding but still allowed to marry if there were serious concerns about birth defects. I'm not really serious about the issue. Just throwing it out there to kind of make a point about cultural biases vs. constitutional freedoms.
 
2012-05-09 03:11:46 AM

Ricardo Klement: WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.

With the notable exception of Thomas, justices tend to get less conservative as they age. It would come down to Kennedy. In cases that have little to do with corporate rights, he is a toss-up. He wants the reputation as The Great Swing Voter. As he has sided with Heller and Citizens United, he needs a big-ticket liberal case to cement his place in history. It's either this or Obamacare.


Kennedy wrote the majority opinions in Lawrence and Romer, the two main gay rights cases of the last 15 years, I don't see any real reason why he'd rule differently on marriage equality when that eventually comes before the court. And, in any case, even if the Prop 8 case doesn't reach the Supreme Court, the inevitable challenges to the North Carolina law should be even more cut and dried because the campaign for Amendment 1 was so ridiculously animus based that I have a hard time imagining Kennedy saying that it holds up even under rational basis, not when he found that Romer didn't meet rational basis because of animus.
 
2012-05-09 03:12:38 AM
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2012-05-09 03:12:57 AM

WaffleStomper: WhyteRaven74: WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex

If the cousins married outside of the state of Texas and then moved there, there's not a damn thing the state could do about it.

SUBCHAPTER C. DECLARING A MARRIAGE VOID

Sec. 6.201. Consanguinity.

A marriage is void if one party to the marriage is related to the other as:

(1) an ancestor or descendant, by blood or adoption;

(2) a brother or sister, of the whole or half blood or by adoption;

(3) a parent's brother or sister, of the whole or half blood or by adoption; or

(4) a son or daughter of a brother or sister, of the whole or half blood or by adoption.

http://capitol.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/statutes.html


Isn't that about uncles and aunts marrying nieces and nephews?
 
2012-05-09 03:13:00 AM

FuturePastNow: Republicans are evil, disgusting scum.



"Well, what I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman.

what I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it's not simply the two persons who are meeting" -Barrack Obama.
 
2012-05-09 03:14:09 AM
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2012-05-09 03:14:49 AM

The_Sponge: Fart_Machine: I hate to tell you this, but not everyone who votes Democratic is a liberal.


True, but doesn't California have a reputation as a liberal state?


CA has its share of liberals and conservatives, but it is mostly a moderate state. The perception that we are a far left leaning state is a lie perpetrated by the ultra-right fuk tard morons in places like the southern regions of the US where they think "the south shall rise again!" No, it farking won't. And anyone that voted in favor of this law in NC is a hateful bigot. Includes my dad.
 
2012-05-09 03:15:46 AM

Little.Alex: And the Socialist Left is vulgar and insulting to Christians anyway, especially here on FARK.


Where was that graphic with the atheist breaking a cross over his knee? Or was he using it to bash the Christian over his head?
 
2012-05-09 03:15:50 AM

Omahawg: [sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net image 500x375]


Well, unless your gay lover is your cousin.
 
2012-05-09 03:16:13 AM
Oh, you're from North Carolina? Lol, gay!
 
2012-05-09 03:17:38 AM

WaffleStomper: SUBCHAPTER C. DECLARING A MARRIAGE VOID


That's just a list of restrictions on who the state of Texas allows to marry. If a pair of cousins marry in a state where it is legal and then move to Texas, the state can not void the marriage.
 
2012-05-09 03:18:46 AM

Happy Hours: al's hat: WaffleStomper: Cousin marriages are against the law in Texas and married cousins in Texas can get a felony conviction for having sex. Should we allow marriage between brother and sisters if they are consenting adults? Do we just do away with all laws on incest as long as they are consenting adults? To say that states can't regulate marriage is bullshiat.

One more thing, if it made it to the supreme court, do you think it will actually be upheld or struck down? Our supreme court is very conservative right now and will probably get moreso as time goes on if the past is any indication.

While I've never actually had any sexual feelings towards any of my relatives (well, other than that one cousin) I'm not sure that the incest laws (assuming consensual adults) have any constitutional validity. There are of course genetic reproductive issues but other than that what's the problem?

and if genetic/reproductive issues are a constitutionally valid reason for outlawing marriage where do you draw the line? Forced sterilization for anyone with a genetic condition they're at risk of handing down to their children anyone?


I was actually siding more towards fewer government involvement. If there were genetic issues it would of course be up to the potential parents to take responsibility for preventing pregnancy. See my comment prior to this one.
 
2012-05-09 03:18:50 AM

Little.Alex: "Well, what I believe is that marriage is between a man and a woman.

what I believe, in my faith, is that a man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before God, and it's not simply the two persons who are meeting" -Barrack Obama.



Care to point out where he's tried to put that into law?
 
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