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2012-05-09 12:23:47 AM  

Weaver95: eraser8: Weaver95: there's a LOT of troll accounts that haven't been active in a long time that suddenly went active this year.

most curious.

Election year.

most of them seem to have been created around 2007.


sleeper alts.
 
2012-05-09 12:23:58 AM  
pube

Your hero is an accused rapist and an adulterer (which doesn't mean jack s*** to a liberal, yet you have him preaching your case to others.)

You are the company you keep.
 
2012-05-09 12:24:37 AM  

safetycap: jizonny: If I want someone to recognize the sweet love I make to the horse in the barn, should I be entitled to tax benefits and societal acceptance?

As soon as your horse can legally sign and enter into contract, then yes.
\[i921.photobucket.com image 149x148]


"Hey Wilbur, how come Mr. Ed's walkin' funny?"
 
2012-05-09 12:25:02 AM  
in Canada we don't leave human rights up to a popular vote.

because....well because that would be absolutely stupid and pointless
and defeat the whole notion of equality.
 
2012-05-09 12:25:11 AM  

untaken_name: This is how a democracy works. Majority rules. Don't like it? Neither did our Founders.


The the enjoyment of rights should be up for public vote? There's a long string of Supreme Court Justices that would like to tell you where to stick that.

ongbok: He also directed the Justice department not to defend The Defense of Marriage Act in court also.


Yep there's that too.
 
2012-05-09 12:25:14 AM  
You don't have to like homosexuality, you just have to tolerate it.

/I don't like inbred rednecks but I support their civil rights.
 
2012-05-09 12:26:07 AM  
Well, everyone knows that gays are "pedifiles", trying to drag our innocent retarded children into their depraved toga parties.

aqurette.com
 
2012-05-09 12:26:12 AM  
"You can't fix stupid. There's not a pill you can take, there's not a class you can take, stupid is for-evah."

And so it goes for North Carolina.
 
2012-05-09 12:26:20 AM  
Gross
 
2012-05-09 12:26:21 AM  

bobbette: BroVinny: I really don't care one whit whether gays can get married or not. If my paycheck or my rights are somehow impacted one way or another, then perhaps I'll care.

I don't get this. It's a moral question, a civil rights question. How can you be neutral? Even if it doesn't affect you personally, the way a democratic society operates reflects on you and your participation in it. You have a choice: to oppose injustice or to accept, even to contribute, to the status quo by being indifferent. Given that choice, how can you choose indifference?


Investing oneself is the shortest, quickest path to leaving oneself vulnerable. You care, so it hurt when this law passed. Your opponents care, and thus would have their own anguish had the democratic vote favored your side. Best not to have a team to root for.
 
2012-05-09 12:26:29 AM  

ModernLuddite: STOP BLAMING THE GAYS FOR OUR PROBLEMS.

Especially since we all know it's the Jews who are ruining America.



gay jew??

//hmmmmmmm
 
2012-05-09 12:26:35 AM  
Know what? F the state. Their opinion doesn't matter.

If you're a same sex couple and you want to get married, get married. Go to your minister or Rabbi or what not and ask him/her to officiate your wedding. If he or she won't do it, there are plenty who will. Then, talk to a lawyer, get a durable power of attorney and a well set up. Know what? You're 100% every bit as married as I am.

If idiots and bigots don't want to consider you as married? F them. What you do in your own bedroom and how consenting adults choose to live their own life is none of their f-ing business.
 
2012-05-09 12:26:49 AM  

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: For shame, NC. You should be embarrassed of yourselves. There's no reason to deny other human beings basic rights. Something is farked up in America.


This is a state that likes to oppress its ni*bongs, so at least they're consistent
 
2012-05-09 12:27:04 AM  

crazytrain: You are the company you keep.


On behalf of all Fark members, I wish to thank you on flying your bigotry so proudly. It makes it easier for us to laugh at you.
 
2012-05-09 12:28:01 AM  

I agree with you: ModernLuddite: STOP BLAMING THE GAYS FOR OUR PROBLEMS.

Especially since we all know it's the Jews who are ruining America.


gay jew??

//hmmmmmmm


A Heblew.
 
2012-05-09 12:28:38 AM  

Soup4Bonnie: Backwards ass hicks.


With Liberty and Justice for All.

/why are backwards hypocritical morons driving policy and public discourse in the first place?
 
2012-05-09 12:29:00 AM  

quatchi: Killer Cars: FTA:

In fact, state house Speaker Thom Tillis (R), a supporter of the amendment, even told a student group at North Carolina State University in March that he predicts that the measure will be repealed within 20 years.

Now that is some effective legislating, fellow citizens. What in the god damn f*ck??

It's a scorched earth policy.

They know full gay rights are inevitable just looking at the demographic information we have now.

They think by putting these immoral bills on record they will somehow slow the process of gays achieving full equal rights. They may be right. Of course, younger people finding the modern GOP to be to too regressive and immoral to support on this issue alone might end up causing that to happen sooner rather than later.

One of the weirdest things about the entire saga of George Wallace back in the bad ole days standing in front of that schoolhouse blocking integration physically was that in an effort to slow or stop integration what he ultimately did caused integration to happen more rapidly and more comprehensively than it looked like it was going to.

The Law of Unintended Consequences.

It is a tricksy biatch.


Actually, I'm pretty sure the point of this thing was to drive a wedge between black voters, who tend to be pretty socially conservative, and more liberal democratic voters, including gay rights groups. The idea being that the more gay rights talk, the more reluctant black voters are to back the Democratic party. If the black turnout goes down in November, or goes from 96% Obama to 92% Obama, that could swing the state. One of the ironies of Prop 8 in California is that without the increased black turnout from Obama being on the ticket, it very possibly doesn't pass.

It's a particularly nasty form of political maneuvering, and unfortunately, it'll probably work for its intended electoral purpose.


The other thing that I don't think has been mentioned is that roughly 20% or more of voters had no conception of what this actually did- it goes far beyond just banning marriage. In polling, when voters were told it also banned civil unions and domestic partnerships, people were opposed 55% to 40% or something like that. The numbers basically flipped with the question presented with no further information.

Anyway, crappy day for all the residents of the parts of NC you would want to visit. We have a lot of new south, educated and fairly liberal cities here, and they're great places in general. This thing is simply disgusting.
 
2012-05-09 12:29:16 AM  

Daedalus27: The only way to solve this issue, is to take marriage out of the equation. Outlaw states from having anything to do with marriage. States can only recognize civil unions which can be with any combination of sexes above the age of consent and grants certain rights and privileges. Put marriage in the churches which can do whatever they want with it and deny or allow it in a purely religious cerminony that has no bearing on whatever rights are bestowed on couples.


Nope.

Not gonna give up my marriage to please some bible thumping dickbags.
 
2012-05-09 12:29:40 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Frank N Stein: As someone who supports gay marriage, here is my advice to the gay community: If you want equal rights, ditch the pride parades. Wearing women's underwear on a genital shaped float and grinding on another dude isn't the best way to win support from "normal" folks. And that over the top feminine shiat is just annoying.

And yes, I do realize that not every gay person fits the stereotype, but there's enough that do that ruin it for the rest of the gay folks out there.

That's just stupid.

That's like saying that more people would've been supportive of interracial marriages if black people didn't act so "black".
.


No it isn't. The essence of being gay is not "parading around like a fairy".
This seems to confuse many people. Similarly, the essence of being black is not playing at being a rapper.

At the same time, both cultures include behavior that is symptomatic of response to oppression. In both cases, these responses don't have a primary effect of being endearing to the general public, and that's kinda the whole point of many of those behaviors even if it is an emotionally juvenile response akin to "Nah nah nah, look at me, you can't stop me". The proper response to a child that does that is, in general, to ignore them and their attention seeking behavior.
 
2012-05-09 12:30:06 AM  

TheShavingofOccam123: Thanks for posting that pic. I post Major Alan G. Rogers' pic in these threads.


If you knew about him they why the hell did you post your original douchebag post? To what purpose?

/Conservative
//Couldn't care less about same sex marriage. Let 'em marry. And, if necessary, get abortions. Don't care about that either.
 
2012-05-09 12:30:22 AM  
Oh noes, dey be voting again.

I actuall ysupport the right of all Americans to be equally miserable.

Maybe if the people who were asking for special rights weren't so whiny, others would listen.
 
2012-05-09 12:30:42 AM  
Just going to point out that 2010 was the first time Republicans controlled both the state house and senate in NC.

/coincidence
 
2012-05-09 12:31:09 AM  
Okay, let's vote on whether or not straight people can get married. We'll do it on a case-by-case basis. You want to get married, put it on the ballot.
 
2012-05-09 12:31:21 AM  

KidneyStone: TheShavingofOccam123: Thanks for posting that pic. I post Major Alan G. Rogers' pic in these threads.

If you knew about him they why the hell did you post your original douchebag post? To what purpose?

/Conservative
//Couldn't care less about same sex marriage. Let 'em marry. And, if necessary, get abortions. Don't care about that either.


Wait, old fashioned conservatives still exist? I thought you guys went extinct in the 90's.
 
2012-05-09 12:31:33 AM  
I'm pretty disappointed. both because we lost and because I essentially was a single-issue voter this election.

one of my coworkers was all pissy because her Facebook buddy claimed that the people who voted against it are bigots. I disagree - some are bigots, some are assholes, some are busybodies who care way too much about who someone else is farking, some are ignorant, and some are too weak and easily led by their pastor to think for themselves or listen to reason.

a few other coworkers were lamenting the outcome, not an hour after talking about how they forgot to go vote. WTF?!

okay, so STATES RIGHTS!!1 and I can just move if I don't like it, right? I wouldn't mind moving away, actually, but economically it'd be impossible. and the fact of the matter is, even if I were willing or able to take up a nomadic lifestyle to live freely, people who wish to oppress others can find many more like them all over the country, band together and pool their money to influence policy in any other state. why should someone in Alaska with a bee in their bonnet about gay marriage, get a say in the laws we pass down here?

ugh. just... ugh.
 
2012-05-09 12:31:52 AM  

KidneyStone: TheShavingofOccam123: Thanks for posting that pic. I post Major Alan G. Rogers' pic in these threads.

If you knew about him they why the hell did you post your original douchebag post? To what purpose?

/Conservative
//Couldn't care less about same sex marriage. Let 'em marry. And, if necessary, get abortions. Don't care about that either.


There's this thing called sarcasm.

/CBS cares
 
2012-05-09 12:32:15 AM  

Slam1263: Oh noes, dey be voting again.

I actuall ysupport the right of all Americans to be equally miserable.

Maybe if the people who were asking for special rights weren't so whiny, others would listen.


Let me know if you get any bites. It was a bit obvious, from here.
 
2012-05-09 12:32:34 AM  

DeaH: Okay, let's vote on whether or not straight people can get married. We'll do it on a case-by-case basis. You want to get married, put it on the ballot.


I like that idea. If they can vote on my ability to get married, I sure as hell want to be able to vote on their ability to marry.
 
2012-05-09 12:32:34 AM  
This shiat is still going on? Don't you idiots know Biden has successfully shifted the discussion from the economy to gay rights?

Thanks for taking the bait like a cheap tranny swallowing the whole chalupa, repuglicans. We can always count on you.
 
2012-05-09 12:34:33 AM  
The Democratic convention in Charlotte is going to be a little embarrassing, or at least awkward. It would be cool if Democrats had a long-set Plan B - a different city to convene in at the last minute if things turned out as they apparently have.

Of course, such a move would split the party, so it's just as well ...
 
2012-05-09 12:34:44 AM  
In ten years, many people who visited the ballot box in North Carolina today will look back on their votes with shame.

Hell, in ten years, most of the people who voted for this amendment will probably be dead.
 
2012-05-09 12:35:18 AM  
If there were a charity that helped buy plane/bus tickets for gays, Democrats, or people who finished high school, who wanted to get the hell out of shiatholes like NC and move to a civilized state, I'd write'em a check right now.
 
2012-05-09 12:35:25 AM  
schubie:

The most annoying thing about living in the south is how people in other parts of America use it to pat themselves on the back for not being racist (while slurring the people of an entire geographical area). In the south, we've lived, worked and farked all together for hundreds of years. Per capita, chances are good that we're actually a lot less racist than you. We are farked when it comes to bible-bangers though. These assholes will just not die out.

As a white dude with a black girlfriend/baby moms... actually, people in the South do come across a lot more racist and judgmental than elsewhere. Both white and black people. Get more stink eyes walking into one Mickey D's in North Carolina than in a full year in New York. New York State, that is. Upstate, downstate, city, burbs, countryside.

/people in Atlanta were cool though
 
2012-05-09 12:36:19 AM  

BroVinny: Investing oneself is the shortest, quickest path to leaving oneself vulnerable. You care, so it hurt when this law passed. Your opponents care, and thus would have their own anguish had the democratic vote favored your side. Best not to have a team to root for.


I don't get hurt. I get angry. And I try to change things.

It's not about rooting for a team. It's whether or not you make any small difference in your time on this planet. Whether you contribute in any way to bettering humanity as a whole.

Eh, you make your choice and I'll make mine.
 
2012-05-09 12:36:25 AM  

Cheesus: Just going to point out that 2010 was the first time Republicans controlled both the state house and senate in NC.

/coincidence


They don't want to get involved in social issues. They just want to create jobs through legislation like this
 
2012-05-09 12:36:49 AM  

Degenz: This shiat is still going on? Don't you idiots know Biden has successfully shifted the discussion from the economy to gay rights?


I imagine gay rights is safer territory than the economy, these days.
 
2012-05-09 12:38:14 AM  

IHadMeAVision: /people in Atlanta were cool though


Well keep in mind a ton ton of the people in Atlanta are transplants.
 
2012-05-09 12:39:30 AM  
I wish straight marriage was illegal
 
2012-05-09 12:39:41 AM  

studebaker hoch: How did this even go to a popular vote?

You cannot have different civil rights for different people and remain within the Constitution.

"We the people" means everyone.


Never underestimate the power of stupid people, bigots or racists in large groups

The Supreme Court will find this unconstitutional, the right will scream "activist judges", "will of the people" then some people will be murdered by them.

These people lack the fundamental ability of critical thought and truly believe they need to "take back America". Considering their fed flat out lies, hyperbole and propaganda almost 24/7 it's no real surprise. Being objective, bipartisan or even willing to compromise is not a notion in their minds, it's a fight against "enemies".
 
2012-05-09 12:40:14 AM  

Weaver95: there's a LOT of troll accounts that haven't been active in a long time that suddenly went active this year.

most curious.


And some new Insta-trolls trying to weave their way in methodically. It'll be worse than 08.
 
HBK
2012-05-09 12:40:41 AM  
I haven't read the entire thread, but has anyone pointed out that this law is more likely to get Supreme Court review than the CA law? That's the only good news out of this.
 
2012-05-09 12:40:46 AM  

Person: Once Obama is reelected he will come out in support of gay marriage. He'd be stupid to do so beforehand, because he'd lose the black church vote.


And that's a big reason why this ban passed: black churches. If you want to see some good ol' anti-intellectualism, misogyny, and homophobia; forget the white churches and go to a black Pentecostal church, preferably one where the pastor is driving a $35,000 car while his parishioners sell plasma twice a week to afford bus passes.
 
2012-05-09 12:41:14 AM  

WhyteRaven74: IHadMeAVision: /people in Atlanta were cool though

Well keep in mind a ton ton of the people in Atlanta are transplants.


Atlanta is a small oasis of civility in the shiathole that is Georgia. I went to college in north Georgia, that place gave me more culture shock than living in Vietnam.
 
2012-05-09 12:42:49 AM  
Crawl on NBC news: "North Carolina Passes Gay Marriage Amendment".

Nice, eh? I had already seen the actual news, but it made me wonder if I had misread the more accurate headline.
 
2012-05-09 12:43:22 AM  

BroVinny: Slam1263: Oh noes, dey be voting again.

I actuall ysupport the right of all Americans to be equally miserable.

Maybe if the people who were asking for special rights weren't so whiny, others would listen.

Let me know if you get any bites. It was a bit obvious, from here.


Nope, just you.

But, I honestly don't care. Let people marry children, or pets, or toasters. As long as they don't start beating their chests and shouting;"Look at me!!".

I think that is they argued from the stand point that our Constitution guarantees equal taxation, married folk get special tax incentives non-married folk don't get, they might win. Just stop with the whining about human rights. You don't have the right to be happy, just to pursue it.
 
2012-05-09 12:43:44 AM  

cmb53208: Person: Once Obama is reelected he will come out in support of gay marriage. He'd be stupid to do so beforehand, because he'd lose the black church vote.

And that's a big reason why this ban passed: black churches. If you want to see some good ol' anti-intellectualism, misogyny, and homophobia; forget the white churches and go to a black Pentecostal church, preferably one where the pastor is driving a $35,000 car while his parishioners sell plasma twice a week to afford bus passes.


Seriously, stop with the race-baiting, there are more than enough white bigots in North Carolina to pass the amendment.
 
2012-05-09 12:44:01 AM  

I agree with you: ModernLuddite: STOP BLAMING THE GAYS FOR OUR PROBLEMS.

Especially since we all know it's the Jews who are ruining America.


gay jew??

//hmmmmmmm


Oh yes. We're the ones who

BroVinny: I agree with you: ModernLuddite: STOP BLAMING THE GAYS FOR OUR PROBLEMS.

Especially since we all know it's the Jews who are ruining America.


gay jew??

//hmmmmmmm

A Heblew.


I thought mensch summed it up.
 
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2012-05-09 12:44:10 AM  

Swoop1809: How long until we can get a federal review of one of these that makes gay marriage federally accepted?


For some reason I read that in Butter's voice

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com
 
2012-05-09 12:44:41 AM  
Probably been mentioned, but: Prop 8 is on it's way up, "strict constitutionalism" results in it being ruled unconstitutional due to equal protection, and the dominoes go down like...[insert joke here].
 
2012-05-09 12:45:39 AM  

cptjeff: Actually, I'm pretty sure the point of this thing was to drive a wedge between black voters, who tend to be pretty socially conservative, and more liberal democratic voters, including gay rights groups. The idea being that the more gay rights talk, the more reluctant black voters are to back the Democratic party. If the black turnout goes down in November, or goes from 96% Obama to 92% Obama, that could swing the state. One of the ironies of Prop 8 in California is that without the increased black turnout from Obama being on the ticket, it very possibly doesn't pass.

It's a particularly nasty form of political maneuvering, and unfortunately, it'll probably work for its intended electoral purpose.


Meh, I've seen a lot of talk on various forums regarding this issue. It's definitely a long term GOP talking point. Mostly seen a lot of RWers gleefully noting that religious blacks have a problem with accepting gays as equal. Yeah, the irony there is kinda over whelming, isn't it? Last ones up into the Civil Right Treehouse and the first ones to vote to pull up the rope ladder after themselves. The GOPseem to think that pointing out how two of the Dems traditionally most loyal demographic supporters at odds will drive a wedge between the two constituencies. They've beena t it for a while now. Unfortunately for them most African Americans are still too pissed over that whole Zimmerman/Martin fiasco, particularly the RW media who all jumped on his slayers side before any of the facts were in, for that.

I don't think it will work is what I'm saying.

NC will go for Obama in 2012.

Out of the last 3 polls taken there Obama was up over Romney in 2 of them by 4 and 5 points according to SurveyUSA and PPP respectively.

Rasmussen has Romney up by 2.

Silly Rasmussen.
 
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