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Do You Know What I Am Saying		2012-05-08 11:23:02 PM

moothemagiccow: Well, it was already illegal and the cons blew their wad on a primary instead of drumming up Romney turnout in the general

Other way around. They thought the GOP nomination would still be up for grabs and they wanted to do it now, when Dems wouldn't vote in the same numbers as they will in November.

blueviking		2012-05-08 11:23:11 PM

blueviking: cookiefleck: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Can I still knock up my mistress while my wife dies of cancer?

With impunity..

Pssht, that's a third of the qualifications to be a presidential candidate in some circles....

Scheiße...apologies for the Captain Obvious routine.

/blaming the merlot

Fark Me To Tears		2012-05-08 11:23:18 PM

Aar1012: Can a conservative look in me the eye...hell can ANYONE look in me the eye and tell me how this is good for the nation? How this will create jobs or fix the economy or help the state?

Conservatives don't give a sh*t about creating jobs, and they're not concerned about the good of the nation. They're only concerned about themselves.

Dimensio		2012-05-08 11:23:19 PM

stonent: It's called states rights... Look it up.

Rights are a property of individuals. The concept of rights being applied to a collective, such as a state, is nonsensical.

gingerjet		2012-05-08 11:23:24 PM

lewismarktwo		2012-05-08 11:23:26 PM

Lol, gj black people. Go give your wife aids, DL Washington.

Aar1012		2012-05-08 11:24:06 PM

stonent: It's called states rights... Look it up.

So you would have been in favor of slavery or Jim Crow laws? I mean it's States' Rights

ImpendingCynic		2012-05-08 11:24:06 PM

WhyteRaven74: ImpendingCynic: States offered civil unions instead, and that should have been accepted with a smile, so that a few years later they could say "hey, we already have everything but the "M" word, so just let us have that."

Civil unions are an attempt to reinstitute separate but equal, a concept which was thrown out with the morning garbage back in the 50s.

I didn't say civil unions would be better, I said that approach would have been a better tactic that might have led to the correct end-result faster.

Do you have any idea how long it's going to take to tear down 32 states' anti-gay marriage laws, plus DOMA? Assuming more states don't do this in the process...

Galaxie500		2012-05-08 11:24:14 PM

My state sucks. What did this accomplish, besides showing the nation that most of the state is made up of redneck asshats?

Mrtraveler01		2012-05-08 11:24:16 PM

Frank N Stein: Mrtraveler01: Frank N Stein: What a horrible world we live in where the public gets to vote on what the laws are

Especially when it's on backwards batshiat bigotry BS like this.

Yeah. That post was my troll attempt. It's a shame that this passed.

Well bravo on the troll (I always appreciate good work).

This just means we need more northerners to move down to Charlotte and Raleigh to dilute the inbred rednecks.

Even reverse cowgirls get the blues		2012-05-08 11:24:43 PM

Transplanted Northerner here. Not pro-gay marrage, personally I don't care; but quasi-religious societal restrictions have no place in a state constitution.

I'll actually be embarrassed to admit I'm from NC the next time I'm out of state.

/ I guess an anti-miscegenation amendment will be next

PanicMan		2012-05-08 11:24:43 PM

Well, shiat.

Moonk		2012-05-08 11:24:49 PM

Paris1127: Sigh, I'll post it again:
[i180.photobucket.com image 400x486]
"Don't make me come down there again!"

/when Sherman reached the sea, his army turned north
//the second march ended at Durham, April 26, 1865
///I could've sworn I've seen an image macro with Sherman and that quotation (or a similar quotation)...

here ya go
suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

gingerjet		2012-05-08 11:25:13 PM

stonent: It's called states rights... Look it up.

-3/10

Precision Boobery		2012-05-08 11:25:15 PM

Weaver95: Jesus seemed utterly indifferent to gay sex.

That's because they didn't have cameras back then.

Wayne 985		2012-05-08 11:25:29 PM

BravadoGT: Wayne 985: BravadoGT: Person: Once Obama is reelected he will come out in support of gay marriage. He'd be stupid to do so beforehand, because he'd lose the black church vote.

How principled of him. Good thing he's put the cynical politics of the past behind him.

Which is worse?
A) Obama backs off gay rights until his second term, then comes and provides substantial support.
B) Obama comes out strong for gay marriage in the election cycle, narrowly loses, and President Romney does nothing to help.

So you're saying his intellectual dishonesty is ok, because it's STRATEGIC intellectual dishonesty. Got it. Have to break a few eggs, right?

I'm saying that you can be idealistic and probably lose (which I do admire) or you can be pragmatic and win a little later. Yes, sometimes a battle requires sacrifice to win. I don't like it, but I accept it.

WhyteRaven74		2012-05-08 11:25:29 PM

stonent: It's called states rights... Look it up.

No state may subvert the rights recognized by the US Constitution.

quatchi		2012-05-08 11:25:43 PM

austin_millbarge: Conservatism is a mental disorder.

And a moral failing.

I know you're supposed to hate the sin and love the sinner but, seriously, fark these bigoted asshats with a pointy stick.

gingerjet		2012-05-08 11:26:20 PM

Biological Ali		2012-05-08 11:26:44 PM

ImpendingCynic: Do you have any idea how long it's going to take to tear down 32 states' anti-gay marriage laws, plus DOMA?

There are ways to get that done fairly quickly, should it come to that.

quatchi		2012-05-08 11:26:48 PM

zipdog: I fail.

Yup, you fail hard.

jizonny		2012-05-08 11:27:00 PM

Biological Ali: jizonny: Sometimes I think the Fark logo needs to be backed by a huge rainbow, because that's all who post here.

I guess tolerance only works when you want someone to accept your views? You shouldn't have to tolerate theirs? Is this not a majority rules country?

If I want someone to recognize the sweet love I make to the horse in the barn, should I be entitled to tax benefits and societal acceptance?

Nobody's going to buy that. Troll smarter, not harder.

I bet at least 25% of the remaining posts will be in response. It'd be more if you didn't open your big fat gay mouth

WhyteRaven74		2012-05-08 11:27:24 PM

ImpendingCynic: Do you have any idea how long it's going to take to tear down 32 states' anti-gay marriage laws, plus DOMA? Assuming more states don't do this in the process...

DOMA could be gone a year from now. And one court ruling could send those 32 states' law sup the river. When it came to interracial marriage it didn't go state by state, Loving v Virginia settled the matter in one concise decision.

TheManofPA		2012-05-08 11:27:33 PM

SharkTrager: Listen gay folks. I have been married. Did it twice. These votes are kinda like helmet and seat-belt laws.

We really are doing this for your own good.

You'll thank us later.

I liken this to the FWC. I want gay marriage like I want more Raw posters. More of us to suffer together, complain, and get more enjoyment from being sarcastic about Raw/marriage than the acts we are watching.

And come ON, increased lesbian honeymoon sex tape market. That right there, that's your angle

Shaggy_C		2012-05-08 11:27:36 PM

Dimensio: Rights are a property of individuals. The concept of rights being applied to a collective, such as a state, is nonsensical.

Tenth amendment is the tinfoil hat constitutionalists use to keep liberals out of their brainwaves.

bobbette		2012-05-08 11:27:45 PM

I bet if interracial marriage was put on the ballot most of the backwards-ass Southern states with constitutional same-sex marriage bans would outlaw it as well.

DeaH		2012-05-08 11:27:58 PM

Son of a farking biatch.

theurge14		2012-05-08 11:28:46 PM

jizonny: Sometimes I think the Fark logo needs to be backed by a huge rainbow, because that's all who post here.

I guess tolerance only works when you want someone to accept your views? You shouldn't have to tolerate theirs? Is this not a majority rules country?

If I want someone to recognize the sweet love I make to the horse in the barn, should I be entitled to tax benefits and societal acceptance?

99% of the state of North Carolina voting for slavery didn't make slavery ok.

99% of the state of North Carolina voting to eat Human Fetus Flakes for breakfast doesn't make it ok either.

Starting to get idea, Majority Hero?

Wayne 985		2012-05-08 11:28:59 PM

FormlessOne: It's going to take a national effort - perhaps even modifying the Bill of Rights, or including a new amendment - to deal with this mess.

I don't think it'll be anything that severe, or even that such a thing is very practical. At most, it'll be a Supreme Court decision, like the one that overturned interracial marriage bans in the 60s. Otherwise, it's just a war of attrition, where these bans will be fazed out and overturned by the populace over the next couple decades.

zarberg		2012-05-08 11:29:10 PM

Gay marriage was already not legal here, so I guess they spent millions and thousands of man hours to put it on double secret probation.

/after campaigning about creating jobs.

drjekel_mrhyde		2012-05-08 11:29:10 PM

So no more fapping to Ghastly's profile?

Saturn5		2012-05-08 11:29:16 PM

North Carolina needs an enema.

xebeche_tzu		2012-05-08 11:29:55 PM

Do You Know What I Am Saying: xebeche_tzu: America to N.C.: you are all irrelevant inbred retards.

This North Carolinian to you: Read TFA.

North Carolina now becomes the 32nd state to have a same-sex marriage ban etched in their constitution.

And that includes...California, where you reside. Great example you're setting there, retard.

Did the Mormon church paperbomb your state with $50 million in junk mail, too? (Cheers!)

Shaggy_C		2012-05-08 11:30:04 PM

WhyteRaven74: No state may subvert the rights recognized by the US Constitution.

Marriage isn't mentioned in the US Constitution as a power delegated to any of the federal branches of government. Ergo, states alone have the right to issue marriage licenses.

xanadian		2012-05-08 11:30:36 PM

Color me shocked.

Aar1012		2012-05-08 11:30:38 PM

Shaggy_C: Dimensio: Rights are a property of individuals. The concept of rights being applied to a collective, such as a state, is nonsensical.

Tenth amendment is the tinfoil hat constitutionalists use to keep liberals out of their brainwaves.

People claim to support States' Rights until another state works against their state rights. For Example: The Fugitive Slave Act.

A Dark Evil Omen		2012-05-08 11:30:44 PM

North Carolina is like Virginia, engaged in a perpetual tug of war between something resembling the modern world and a bunch of slack-jawed Confederate left-overs who have about five teeth between the lot of them. I lived in Winston for years and I'm glad to be shot of the whole state.

Sabyen91		2012-05-08 11:31:21 PM

trekkiecougar		2012-05-08 11:31:34 PM

I knew this terrible amendment would pass but I'm still farking pissed about it. Laws concerning the smooth running of a society should be based upon the consensual interactions and cooperation between real people, not based on the dictates of mythical deities (as I stated in a letter to the editor of the News & Observer that was actually published).

Do You Know What I Am Saying		2012-05-08 11:31:43 PM

xebeche_tzu: Do You Know What I Am Saying: xebeche_tzu: America to N.C.: you are all irrelevant inbred retards.

This North Carolinian to you: Read TFA.

North Carolina now becomes the 32nd state to have a same-sex marriage ban etched in their constitution.

And that includes...California, where you reside. Great example you're setting there, retard.

Did the Mormon church paperbomb your state with $50 million in junk mail, too? (Cheers!)

Junk mail is influencing how Californians vote? Wow, it's worse than I thought.

bdub77		2012-05-08 11:31:44 PM

Aar1012: To the People of North Carolina:

In these problematic times, I'm glad that you can focus on what is really important - Banning Gay Marriage. You have set aside the trivial problems of your state, such as your 9.7% unemployment rate (ranking you 47th in the nation for employment), homeless problems, or your education situation. It's great to see that tackling the threat of two consenting adults that love each other is on the front burner of your state. It shows dedication to the real problems of the 21st Century and I hope that other states can follow your example.

Sincerely,
Aar1012

Just for shiats and giggles I did this analysis of unemployment and the voting percentages across counties Found this interesting:

The 24 counties with the highest unemployment (and the vote %)
Alleghany 12.4 78%
Ashe 12.2 77%
Avery 12.3 81%
Bladen 12.1 83%
Caldwell 12.2 81%
Cherokee 13.3 78%
Columbus 12.6 85%
Dare 15.3 50%
Edgecomb 14.2 70%
Graham 18.5 89%
Halifax 13.3 67%
Hyde 13.6 65%
McDowell 12 83%
Nash 12 71%
Richmond 12.7 77%
Robeson 12.9 86%
Rutherford 14.2 81%
Scotland 16.8 73%
Swain 16.7 73%
Vance 13.5 73%
Warren 13.1 64%
Washington 12.5 64%
Wilson 12.7 70%
Yancey 12.2 76%
Average 13.47083333 75%

The 19 counties with the lowest unemployment (and the vote %)
Buncombe 7.7 49%
Camden 8.1 70%
Chatham 8.1 46%
Currituck 8.5 68%
Davie 8.9 73%
Durham 7.6 30%
Forsyth 8.8 53%
Gates 7.2 74%
Henderson 7.3 66%
Johnston 8.4 74%
Moore 8.7 63%
Onslow 8.7 74%
Orange 6 21%
Polk 7.8 61%
Sampson 8.4 81%
Union 8.2 73%
Wake 7.6 43%
Watauga 8.9 49%
Wayne 8.7 76%
Average 8.084210526 49%

Now this isn't a methodical analysis and the counties have varying population sizes, but the places with the highest unemployment had by far the worst outcome for the gay rights amendment.

R.A.Danny		2012-05-08 11:31:52 PM

The South* truly sucks.

*Everything South of 80.

WhyteRaven74		2012-05-08 11:31:52 PM

Shaggy_C: Marriage isn't mentioned in the US Constitution as a power delegated to any of the federal branches of government. Ergo, states alone have the right to issue marriage licenses.

The Constitution does more than delegate powers, it also recognizes rights, you may want to look up the 9th amendment sometime. It gets lonely.

xebeche_tzu		2012-05-08 11:31:57 PM

CognaciousThunk: These days, when I think of NC, I think of that dopey Lizard Lick Towing show.

Here's the thing. When you use the word "think" and a pic from a television show (it is that, right?) you contradict yourself.

jizonny		2012-05-08 11:32:07 PM

theurge14: 99% of the state of North Carolina voting to eat Human Fetus Flakes for breakfast doesn't make it ok either.

Well duh! Anybody who's somebody know the only way to eat fetus is off the BBQ!

CognaciousThunk		2012-05-08 11:32:36 PM

Looks like the folks in NC prefer threesomes...

BravadoGT		2012-05-08 11:32:45 PM

Shaggy_C: WhyteRaven74: No state may subvert the rights recognized by the US Constitution.

Marriage isn't mentioned in the US Constitution as a power delegated to any of the federal branches of government. Ergo, states alone have the right to issue marriage licenses.

The only way the Fed gets their toe in the water, practically--is if they extend sexuality preference to the list of "suspect classes" protected by equal protection under the 5th Amendment. Then they could overturn laws like NC's as uncon.

Frank N Stein		2012-05-08 11:32:48 PM

As someone who supports gay marriage, here is my advice to the gay community: If you want equal rights, ditch the pride parades. Wearing women's underwear on a genital shaped float and grinding on another dude isn't the best way to win support from "normal" folks. And that over the top feminine shiat is just annoying.

And yes, I do realize that not every gay person fits the stereotype, but there's enough that do that ruin it for the rest of the gay folks out there.

R.A.Danny		2012-05-08 11:32:51 PM

Sabyen91: Shaggy_C: WhyteRaven74: No state may subvert the rights recognized by the US Constitution.

Marriage isn't mentioned in the US Constitution as a power delegated to any of the federal branches of government. Ergo, states alone have the right to issue marriage licenses.

Neither is owning a AK-47.

Actually, yes it is. That's for another thread though.

/has an AK-47 legally.

seadoo2006		2012-05-08 11:32:59 PM

Shaggy_C: WhyteRaven74: No state may subvert the rights recognized by the US Constitution.

Marriage isn't mentioned in the US Constitution as a power delegated to any of the federal branches of government. Ergo, states alone have the right to issue marriage licenses.

And the full faith and credit clause means that since some states have it as a legal institution, the remainder must recognize those marriages if people in the states that ban it go to a state where it's legal.

A legal argument to the prohibition against homosexual marriage is dubious at best and an outright denial of basic rights to citizens of the United States of America.

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