Losers should go to college and get real jobs

But then I don't remember anyone biatching about OSHA making office workers get up off their asses every hour to prevent Deep Vein Thrombosis

EatTheWorld: I'm all for workplace safety but we don't tax dollars on PSAs about the farking heat.

Exactly. Which is why most factories in the US totally forgo regular safety training, reminders, and enforcement and only provide the absolutely minimum training required by OSHA. It provides a huge competitive advantage over other factories that are constantly wasting money and time telling their workers to not to cut off their thumbs -- like workers aren't already sufficiently motivated to protect their own thumbs.

And don't even get my started on these ridiculous "handrails" and "protective eye ware" rules. Like I'm gonna fall off a catwalk or splash acid in my eye.

profplump: EatTheWorld: I'm all for workplace safety but we don't tax dollars on PSAs about the farking heat.

Exactly. Which is why most factories in the US totally forgo regular safety training, reminders, and enforcement and only provide the absolutely minimum training required by OSHA. It provides a huge competitive advantage over other factories that are constantly wasting money and time telling their workers to not to cut off their thumbs -- like workers aren't already sufficiently motivated to protect their own thumbs.

And don't even get my started on these ridiculous "handrails" and "protective eye ware" rules. Like I'm gonna fall off a catwalk or splash acid in my eye.

Most people are smart enough to not walk under heavy falling objects, so why should they be required to wear hard hats?

A scientific study done some time ago shows that 100% of the people born today will die. Some will die outdoors wearing blue while others will die indoors wearing yellow. But will more people die wearing yellow than blue?

I've forgotten what this whole article and original post was about.

Did it involve beer? I hope so.

If not then I must have posted in the wrong thread and for that you have my apologies.

MentalStew: A scientific study done some time ago shows that 100% of the people born today will die. Some will die outdoors wearing blue while others will die indoors wearing yellow. But will more people die wearing yellow than blue?

I've forgotten what this whole article and original post was about.

Did it involve beer? I hope so.

If not then I must have posted in the wrong thread and for that you have my apologies.

That is a made up stat!!!!

I May Be Crazy But...: JesseL: I May Be Crazy But...: Incog_Neeto: Here in Arizona now that it's gotten hotter I've already seen the first few overheated cars of summertime. Give it a month or two and wait for the experienced hikers die or have to be rescued because they didn't bring enough water. People constantly underestimate how much water they will need.

Don't worry it's just a dry heat.

Wait, experienced hikers needing to be rescued? Where are they going, exactly?

Mostly the Superstition Mountains.

Just outside of Phoenix? Are they a good spot to go backpacking? I promise I know how to handle the heat.



they're nice mountains, but there are better places to hike.

for example, up north there are forests with things like "shade" and "water".

Working inside can kill you. Working in your car can kill you. Not working can kill you. Eating can kill you. Trying to swat a mosquito while riding a bicycle can kill you, walking can kill you, running can kill you.........living WILL kill you so quick, kill yourselves before it is too late. Well spent government money will one day prove what I am telling you......

Jerkwater: I love it when one of my cube-dwelling mates hangs it all up and decides he's never working a desk job again. I spent my college years installing lawn sprinkler systems and, let me tell you, desk jobs are great. There's air conditioning, the internet is right there, you don't need to shower when you get home... it can't be beat.

too bad the lack of exercise will take so many years off. Hope you stay active, desk jockey

EatTheWorld: This is OSHA, not Obama. And it is a sad state of affairs to NEED the government to tell anyone that hot is bad and potentially dangerous. I'm all for workplace safety but we don't tax dollars on PSAs about the farking heat.

and it is even sadder that some one would try to politicize this with a douchebag headline. yea I'm looking at you Susan Jones. We don't need you on our side. DIAF thank you.

Yep. Sometimes I wonder why common sense is forced upon the stupid. Aren't we just prolonging the inevitable?

EatTheWorld: This is OSHA, not Obama. And it is a sad state of affairs to NEED the government to tell anyone that hot is bad and potentially dangerous.

People are stupid. With 600+ heatstroke deaths in the US annually, and another 6,000+ injuries, they evidently need reminding.

stirfrybry: Jerkwater: I love it when one of my cube-dwelling mates hangs it all up and decides he's never working a desk job again. I spent my college years installing lawn sprinkler systems and, let me tell you, desk jobs are great. There's air conditioning, the internet is right there, you don't need to shower when you get home... it can't be beat.

too bad the lack of exercise will take so many years off. Hope you stay active, desk jockey

I imagine the average inside worker's salary is higher than the average outside worker's salary. I'd rather have to exercise in my free time than be poor.

/I run at lunch four times a week
//and more on the weekend

dahmers love zombie: Being that CNSNews only publishes stuff that is 1) pro right-wing and 2) anti Obama, what is their take away from this? That worrying about heat stroke is for pussies? Only commies take frequent water breaks? Jesus discs and SavBlood(TM) are enough for private industry, so they should be good enough for those heathen public employees?

God smites us when we go outside because Obama makes our children get gay married?

Working outside in the heat requires a smoke break at least once an hour, oh yeah drink some water too.
Stay healthy.

Noticeably F.A.T.: mistersnark: People are stupid. With 600+ heatstroke deaths in the US annually, and another 6,000+ injuries, they evidently need reminding.

It can sneak up on you faster than you think. The worse you get it, the less you are able to handle it. Couple that with a desire to just get whatever you're doing done, and you end up with a bunch of heat-strokey people. Last year the roofing crew I work on (about a half dozen guys) all got hit pretty bad. That day was hotter than expected, we were at a higher elevation than normal, it was supposed to rain that night so leaving wasn't an option and we were all pushing a little harder than usual. Personally I went through at least a couple gallons of water and still ended up dehydrated. Nobody (ok, a couple guys) on the crew is particularly dumb, conditions just got the better of us.

And, especially with more and more people on meds related to conditions aggravated by weight, and since America overall is getting fatter, I expect it'll only get worse. My hypertension is genetic, no matter my weight, and I can only imagine if I were out of shape it would be ten times worse, but my meds mean I really have to watch myself in terms of keeping hydrated. I prefer to run and do strenuous stuff outdoors for a workout as opposed to a gym, and always keep a water bottle with me.

I was a camp counselor in high school, and nearly every year we had to send one of the staff to the hospital because they spent too much effort keeping up with the kids' hydration and not their own.

It gets hot outside, so vote Republican?

That's some weapon-grade derp right there.

cig-mkr: Working outside in the heat requires a smoke break at least once an hour, oh yeah drink some water too.
Stay healthy.

What the hell does Obamalamadingdong know about work? That bum never worked.

ExtremeFajita: Big government socialists are at it again, robbing us of our freedom to die of heat stroke. Another nightmarish day in Obama's America.

Another attempt to hurt The Job Creators.™

Goddam liburul GUBBAMINT legislatin' MORALITY.

To the Impeachment Mobile!

I nearly had it happen to me while running. I had never had a problem with the heat. I love to run. And I love to sweat. It was about 90 degrees outside. I was drinking plenty of water and I was running in relative shade. I started getting dizzy, threw up, and collapsed. Luckily, another runner stopped to help me. I didn't have a heat stoke, just heat exhaustion. But it was enough to make me much more careful about running in extremely hot weather. Even if you are acclimated to the heat, it can happen really fast.

MAYORBOB: CNS as a legitimate source of news? Unpossible.

exactly. don't forget gems like:

"CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR. CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS."

whatever the hell craziness this is supposed to support along with their disturbing extreme right viewpoints.

zena: I love to sweat.

Incog_Neeto: it's just a dry heat.

In Houston they say that?

/Oh, maybe not, I'm all mixed up.
//dry until they hit the swimming pool

Incog_Neeto: Here in Arizona now that it's gotten hotter I've already seen the first few overheated cars of summertime. Give it a month or two and wait for the experienced hikers die or have to be rescued because they didn't bring enough water. People constantly underestimate how much water they will need.

Don't worry it's just a dry heat.

So is my oven and you can cook a turkey in it.

/Standard Vegas joke.
//Live in Phoenix.

I used to worry about heat stroke until I took an arrow to the neck....taking arrows to the neck can kill you...

Mock26: 30 a year? Oh the horror! How will our population ever be able to recover from such horrific losses?

Kind of thought it may have been said already.

I would have guessed 200+/year.

Sounds like advice for wimps!

I've been known to mow the yard when it's 105 F outside...

It's a dry heat - and lots of it.

I have a 15 year old sweetheart golden retriever dog, who except for arthritis in her joints and a need to eliminate more frequently, is a surprisingly healthy and happy pooch. For the first time in the 12 years I've had her however, when I took her in for a grooming, the groomer was not able to give her the usual hair cut because her age and the bad arthritis in her paws rendered her unable to tolerate the brushing and hair cutting involved. Groomer had to shave her. Now my golden is cream colored, except for her head and tail. She seems quite happy and comfortable with her "summer cut" and actually she looks younger, smaller and very cute.

Now back to the subject at hand. With the summer approaching I am concerned that with her hairless body and very light skin color, she may be vulnerable to sun burning and with her advanced age, possible sun stroke. Groomer gave me sunscreen to put on her. I just hope she can withstand another Brooklyn summer, which last year was brutal.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Some tips for my fellow outside workers:

-Wear a camelbak integrated fluid delivery system. Mine holds 60 oz of vapor-distilled H2O.
-Use a watch or interval timer app to time rest periods. I do 3 minutes rest for every 7 minutes of work whenever the temp. gets over 85, and I bump it up to 4 minutes rest at or above 95.
- Carry a beach umbrella! Do bot skimpy on this, as you can't always be sure to a natural shade source.
-Last but not least, always have a mobile phone on you with 911 pre-programmed, and be sure to call them if you experience any of the following symptoms: dry mouth, excess sweating (visible sweat marks on clothing), feeling "hot", and/or excekssive thirst. These are signs of overheating and you should seek emergency care.

Follow these simple guidelines and you should be fine.

Fine but I'm still not going to let someone do anal without lots and lots of lube and double wrapped

As opposed to working inside, which WILL kill you. From stress, obesity, etc.

I'm what the Army calls a heat casualty. Believe me when I say if you're sensitive to the heat, yes working outside can be very difficult. However I also really enjoy the outdoors, so it is a weird balance between drinking enough water (and ONLY water can really do the trick, although I guess Gatorade is acceptable if you're not calorie counting) and not feeling so sloshy fully of water that you might barf when it gets really hot out.

My first heat exhaustion experience was in the sixth grade and from what I've learned over the years, it's sort of like a back injury- you're never quite the same afterword. I've been very sensitive to hot weather and dehydration ever since. Frankly I can't fault any health organization for pushing information about this, because as others have said, it really can sneak up on you. I'm just glad I've had enough training on heat injuries to recognize the signs in myself.

ladyfortuna: I'm what the Army calls a heat casualty. Believe me when I say if you're sensitive to the heat, yes working outside can be very difficult. However I also really enjoy the outdoors, so it is a weird balance between drinking enough water (and ONLY water can really do the trick, although I guess Gatorade is acceptable if you're not calorie counting) and not feeling so sloshy fully of water that you might barf when it gets really hot out.

My first heat exhaustion experience was in the sixth grade and from what I've learned over the years, it's sort of like a back injury- you're never quite the same afterword. I've been very sensitive to hot weather and dehydration ever since. Frankly I can't fault any health organization for pushing information about this, because as others have said, it really can sneak up on you. I'm just glad I've had enough training on heat injuries to recognize the signs in myself.

As someone who's suffered a cracked sacrum, I'm getting a kick-

But yeah, the only endorsement of Gatorade/Powerade/SoBe that I could make is that the little bit of electrolytes usually help with the cramping I get in extreme heat with my medication. Water in general is best, but after a run in 95*F+, my muscles seem to love that stuff.

/ahhhh, Texas heat
//Powerade Zero does the trick for calorie counters

GoSurfing: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Use a watch or interval timer app to time rest periods. I do 3 minutes rest for every 7 minutes of work whenever the temp. gets over 85, and I bump it up to 4 minutes rest at or above 95.

Vagina much?

You would be shiatcanned if you stopped for 3 minutes for every 7 minutes of work in my field.

Try surveying in Florida in the summer, locating 1500 linear feet of water main with a 5 foot probe, because the previous surveyor didn't actually locate the main as-built but mapped it "per plan"...but it's actually 20 feet off from where it was mapped. Pushing a steel rod 5 feet deep into hard pan 150+ times a day in the middle of august...I've seen grown men much larger than I want to cry after doing it 3 times.

Vaginas, all of you.

/then again one of these days is when I experienced my first kidney stone, at the ripe age of 21
//would work circles around you clown

This is why I went to college, to work in an air conditioned office. Eventually, I'd like to tell people to tell people to make a plan and then tell your boss we need a site surveyed for our Audit and Payroll building.

But it's okay, you can pound stakes in the ground and pretend you're tough. And don't worry, I did my time as well! Working on a flightline in Kadena AFB during the summer with record temperatures and humidity while being waist deep in wiring, pneumatic tubing and insulation. Yeah, we took breaks, 10 minutes every 30, on the half-hour. You see, even the military understood that working people to death is a bad idea.

Probably because by the time I got to that point, they spent almost $100,000 training me. I guess I was an investment.

According to your CSB, you were expendable.

/work smarter, not harder.

The two biggest problems are actually supervisors and machismo.

Supervisors because they (generally not doing any heavy work themselves) insist that other people work beyond their body's heat tolerance, to the point where those people collapse from heat. Work actually gets done more effectively if the people doing it are not dizzy, disoriented, or actually passed out ... but there are still people who think any of those conditions can be corrected by sufficient yelling, and will do so until the paramedics come.

Machismo because people don't want to be the first to say they need a break, need some water, need some shade -- even when they most emphatically do. So, because nobody wants to be the first to take precautions against conditions, someone gets to be the first to pass out on the ground instead. It may be macho to work until you fall over, but falling over isn't very productive.

Having workplace rules saying that under X conditions, employees must take breaks every Y minutes, drink water, etc., can solve both problems. If everyone has to do it because "that's what the regs say" then there's no worry about being the first. Everyone is doing it at the same time. And if the supervisor knows he can get canned if his boss finds out he's breaking the rules and insisting his crew works without breaks and fluids, he'll do that even when he otherwise wouldn't.

Smart employers do this because it makes practical sense. They realize that workers who are actually working at 100% are more productive, more effective, and make fewer mistakes, than workers suffering from some level of heat stress. And, of course, dead workers produce nothing but paperwork. Requiring all employers to give their employees the same protection that the smart ones do anyway doesn't hurt the smart ones, and it loads the abusive and fly-by-night ones with the same burden that the smart ones take on voluntarily, thereby leveling the playing field and removing the advantage of being a jerk. So it's a win all around.

Also, folks, remember that heatstroke is a life-threatening emergency. In simplest terms, heatstroke is when the body's normal cooling system fails completely and the brain starts to cook (that's why all the neurological symptoms, like confusion). It can and will kill you, and you'll stand around trying to remember what you were doing, at least until you pass out, because one of the first things to go as your brain overheats (or freezes, for that matter) is rational thinking.

Know the symptoms of heatstroke. You will not see them in yourself -- when things get to that point, you're not checking symptoms. You'll be doing good to remember your own name. But you may see them in someone else, and when you do, do whatever it takes to bring down their body temperature, and get the paramedics there ASAP. Heatstroke is as deadly as a heart attack.

Symptoms of heatstroke:

Very high body temperature.
Absence of sweating.
Rapid pulse.
Hallucinations, disorientation, seizures, etc.
Eventually, coma. Then death.

Call EMS. Remember: life-threatening emergency. Get the patient to a cool place, soak them with water (they can't sweat), do anything you can to get their core temperature down. They are cooking to death from the inside out.

Worldwalker: The two biggest problems are actually supervisors and machismo.


That's one of the reasons I have never bothered to apply to outdoors employment outside the military. Army supervisors have usually been trained upside-down and sideways on hot weather safety. Civilians biatch you out for wanting a 2 minute break to get a drink, even in air conditioned retail much less exterior work.

If my supervisor isn't willing to watch out for my health and safety to at least near the military standard, I'm not willing to work for them period. The best part is civilians who don't understand my aforementioned heat sensitivity - I am well aware many people over the years have thought I was being a complete pussy.

No, I'm trying to avoid passing out and DYING, but thanks for your concern. I'm just glad my last commercial employer gave me a certain autonomy due to military experience (and probably being female); they sure didn't give it to 'Bubba', my younger male coworker.

tenhigh: I May Be Crazy But...: JesseL: I May Be Crazy But...: Incog_Neeto: Here in Arizona now that it's gotten hotter I've already seen the first few overheated cars of summertime. Give it a month or two and wait for the experienced hikers die or have to be rescued because they didn't bring enough water. People constantly underestimate how much water they will need.

Don't worry it's just a dry heat.

Wait, experienced hikers needing to be rescued? Where are they going, exactly?

Mostly the Superstition Mountains.

Just outside of Phoenix? Are they a good spot to go backpacking? I promise I know how to handle the heat.



they're nice mountains, but there are better places to hike.

for example, up north there are forests with things like "shade" and "water".

What are you, weak? Anyway, deserts are prettier.