FunkOut: I knew a flight medic once. He was a little high strung. One day he beat the daylights out of a vending machine while screaming at it. It ate his $1.25 and didn't give him chips.

After a long day of being lowered on a jungle penetrator, thrown against some trees, running lightly armed with a stretcher into a relatively hot zone, watching helplessly as a man looses his grip on life, then having to help pick up body parts and wash out the bloody remnants from a helicopter...

... the last thing you want is for this guy to NOT get some farking chips.

I laugh, but it's the dang truth!

I tip my hat to the guys in the back. *salutes*

Much better (+ Fifi its th3 Hot)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1456941/

eyehate: I have never seen a Hind in person.

Russian Bears flew over my carrier without communicating and we manned guns and whatnot.

But no Hinds.

I was Air Defense Artillery at Fort Bliss, and for our battery ex-eval one year they got a Hind to come play enemy. Attacked us while on RSOP, and later flew over and "exploded" our HHB's mkt. (foods) The tiny angry humans weren't happy to find that they had lobbed cans of cs and the evening's dinner was out being prepped and so was legitimately unusable for that evenings meal, chemically compromised.

I would love enough frivolous munnies to build a boneriffic bunker and be so ready for red dawn. As I don't have a boneriffic bunker, I'd like some more time to get one.

dramboxf: junkmetal: Would not be surprised at this.

Lots of changes coming down the pike for EMS. A few studies released this year and last year showing that all the paramedic-level ACLS interventions for cardiac arrest really don't have a measurable effect on mortality. With the rising average age of our population bringing increased pressures on the pre-hospital care system, I predict that the right to presume death in the field will shift down from medics to EMT-Basics within 15 years. By this I mean a EMT-B-only crew (two EMTs,) would start CPR in the field, use the AED, and if after 20 minutes no response be allowed to "presume" (not pronounce) death and clear the call rather than transporting the patient to the ER to be flogged on by the MD/RNs.

My $0.02

/climbs down off soapbox

That'd be nice. 9 times out of 10 we do CPR in the hospital FOREVER for no good reason. A few less of them coming through the door in that state would be welcome.

The same two medical helicopters go over my house usually a couple times a day on the weekends. They come back sometimes high and low, sometimes low and fast. My guess is the worse the patient, the more aggressive the flying. But really, they could be buying smokes on the res for all I know.

As for a "Red Dawn" scenario, most civilains, no matter how well armed, would be killed if they ever tried to engage an opposing military force. Unless you've been in the military and recently, you don't know what you don't know. Just too many state-developed tactics and tricks the enemy can run on you all day. You only need to fall for one of them, one time. Our guys in Afghanistan have years of combat experience, and even so it takes everything the US has to get (some of) them out alive when they get attacked.

/if you really want to fight, join the military and they'll put you to work.

If "Red Dawn" really happens, Subby and everyone he knows (except, possibly Crazy Uncle Mike who was never "right" after his 3 tours in Iraq) would be part of the first wave of casualties.

• No escaping to the hills
• No forming a rag-tag cadre of survivors
• No harassing and sabotaging the invaders
• No eventual rescue
• No Lea Thompson/Jennifer Grey (rrrowr!)

Diogenes: BKITU: LOLGREEN

I wonder where the decision to be more liberal in greenlighting TFDs came from.

This.

7th grade thread is 7th grade or

Sheltered subby is sheltered

Pick

Bees are livestock: I live a few miles from the border here in S. Texas. I see border patrol , DHS, Customs, Military, DPS daily if not hourly. I always think they are busting somebody or chasing a group of illegals.. The mexican military helicopters have been known to enter U.S. airspace without permission they are usually dropping off a load of drugs or trying to scare their compition by buzzing their home. I always wondered if I shot down a mexican military heli would I get in trouble..

Bobhein: In the 1980's I was a young, confident AF member attached to an Army intel unit. I got the chance to "creep" the border with some 2nd Armored Cavalry soldiers for three days and saw a Soviet MI-8 escorted by an Mi-24. Yes, your sphincter does tighten up in situations like that...

What border? Korean?

junkmetal: When I see a helicopter, i just know there was a major accident or someone is in dire straights and needs medi flight.

I live a quarter mile from a hospital; this is usually my thought.

ToxicMunkee: I see a helicopter and think, "I wonder where the accident was."

I live in SeaTac. I see a helicopter and ensure that the front & back doors of my house are locked, as they're most likely looking for a fleeing suspect.

Bees are livestock: I always wondered if I shot down a mexican military heli would I get in trouble..

You would probably get in the same kinda trouble you would get into for shooting at any aircraft, I'm not sure what kind of international incident the shot down heli would start. Mexican-American war Part 2 Electric Bugaloo would be a possibility

Yeah, I totally think of Red Dawn.

studebaker hoch: Just too many state-developed tactics and tricks the enemy can run on you all day. You only need to fall for one of them, one time. Our guys in Afghanistan have years of combat experience, and even so it takes everything the US has to get (some of) them out alive when they get attacked.



Sounds like a bit of a contradiction.
Our state sponsored guys are most often going up against scrubs without much training or equipment. The biggest difficulty is in not knowing who is aggressive in a small population. Sure, we win most days. But even with armor its a dangerous assignment.

If you took a section of the Russian military, plant it in the US, and assume most of their jets and tanks will be dealing with our main forces, what's left are armored cars and conscripts against a much larger population that's armed to the teeth.
To make things worse, our people are literate and wired in a land of do-it-yourself consumerism. Anyone with access to youtube and radio shack could learn enough to make elaborate bombs or traps.

I don't see a red dawn scenario happening. The enemy would either be forced out or have to level the place with artillery. Could you imagine trying to walk a patrol in front of a hundred million teed off rednecks and their stockpiles of Obama ammo?

Yea, I think we'd catch a nuke or ten before they even considered a land invasion.

I live in Alexandria approximately 5 miles from the Pentagon, and work in Fort Belvoir, so I'm getting a kick out of all these helicopters flying overhead every 10 min...

Know how I know subby has never seen any combat outside of a video game? People who actually have don't wish for it for themselves or anyone else... well, except the crazy ones, but they're few and far between. Perhaps if subtard is so eager for combat, he should enlist in one of the combat arms specialties in either the Marines or the Army, and volunteer to go to Afghanistan.

If any sort of apocalypse or anarchy happens, I'd like it to happen right now while I'm in my prime. It would really suck to be like 85 when it happens.

Does anyone else see a helicoptor and think "Man I really hope some Red Dawn shiat kicks off? Because I am so ready for that

Lay off the moonshine, there skeeter.

Ah Yeah Brother! You better believe I'm ready when THE shiat HITS THE FAN!!!

/WOOO
//OOOOO
///OOOOO!!!

way south: studebaker hoch: Just too many state-developed tactics and tricks the enemy can run on you all day. You only need to fall for one of them, one time. Our guys in Afghanistan have years of combat experience, and even so it takes everything the US has to get (some of) them out alive when they get attacked.

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Sounds like a bit of a contradiction.
Our state sponsored guys are most often going up against scrubs without much training or equipment. The biggest difficulty is in not knowing who is aggressive in a small population. Sure, we win most days. But even with armor its a dangerous assignment.

If you took a section of the Russian military, plant it in the US, and assume most of their jets and tanks will be dealing with our main forces, what's left are armored cars and conscripts against a much larger population that's armed to the teeth.
To make things worse, our people are literate and wired in a land of do-it-yourself consumerism. Anyone with access to youtube and radio shack could learn enough to make elaborate bombs or traps.

I don't see a red dawn scenario happening. The enemy would either be forced out or have to level the place with artillery. Could you imagine trying to walk a patrol in front of a hundred million teed off rednecks and their stockpiles of Obama ammo?

Yea, I think we'd catch a nuke or ten before they even considered a land invasion.

I think someone's been reading a few too many "Ben Raines" books.

"Red Dawn" is a fantasy, but so is the scenario you're postulating. Google "Chechnya occupation," and you're probably closer to envisioning what would happen, if the criteria you specified were in place.

Chastain86: When the hell is that Red Dawn remake coming out? That shiat filmed more than 2 years ago. They decided to airbrush out all the references to China and make the invaders North Korean, but I still want to see it. It's got friggin' Thor in the Swayze role.

They already made it,

They changed the Russians to Indonesians, the Americans to Australians and put a girl in the Swayze role.

way south

The mainland US won't be attacked. It's rather well guarded by buffer states and buffer oceans. I never understood how an effective Russian fighting force materialized in our heartland for "Red Dawn". The movie made no sense, but was (kind of) fun to watch. Jingoism is cool, yeah.

OTOH, our invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are right along with the movie if you happened to live there before we showed up. The suicide bombers, the IED's, the asymetric warfare, all stuff that we would do in the same situation.

Iraq 2003: Red Dawn, US as the bad guys.
Afghanistan 2001: Red Dawn, US as the bad guys.
9/11: Star Wars, US as the bad guys.

sigh.

FormlessOne: "Red Dawn" is a fantasy, but so is the scenario you're postulating. Google "Chechnya occupation," and you're probably closer to envisioning what would happen, if the criteria you specified were in place.

I don't think it is a proper comparison.

Chechnya was never the hallmark of stability. It shifted in and out of Russian rule prior to the last few skirmishes. Its like the federal government trying to regain control of Florida.

We're talking about a foreign element walking into the US, a functional and cohesive nation, and trying to deal with a populace that spent the last half century fantasizing about such a scenario. With an average gun ownership rate almost ten times higher than most of Europe or the former soviet union, you'd be possibly looking at several million patriotic dead enders.
Match that against the few thousand that troubled us during the Iraq war.

I think a better comparison would be Nazi Germany in Stalingrad. Only with more snipers and IED's.
The invaders would have no choice but to level the place.

Where I live, the sound of choppers means people are going somewhere to have fun. Going heli skiing or getting flown up to the cat skiing lodge where I work. Happens twice a week like clockwork, it's like a frickkin airshow sometimes. Ken Plotz, the pilot in the Goat Range segment of Art of Flight flies for us regularly. THAT dude is a badass pilot. Guess if you live in the city you probably entertain escapist fantasies about shait goin down and all that (and more power to ya) but where I come from it's about all fun and games. You want to talk escapism, helicopters are the ultimate tool.

gdtredmtn: escapist fantasies

And that hits the nail right on the head. A lot of people here are getting uppity about how one should just join the army or whatever, leaving the unspoken statement that whoever has such fantasies is deranged.

It's not that kind of fantasy. It's the same kind of fantasy that makes soldierly movies sell well, the excitement, the action, maybe even the honor or whatever moral have you.

Very few people, in comparison to the fans of say, Blackhawk Down(or Red Dawn, or even Red Dwarf(just finished the series, so it's on the brain), desire to actually be in such a place, but it is exciting to think about. All of the excitement, none of the danger. That's how role playing games and even things like paintball and shooting video games came about, indeed even fiction in the form of movies and books.

Even people who have been in mortal peril enjoy such activities.(unless they suffer from PTSD, obviously)

Which leads me to:
lisarenee3505: Know how I know subby has never seen any combat outside of a video game? People who actually have don't wish for it for themselves or anyone else... well, except the crazy ones, but they're few and far between. Perhaps if subtard is so eager for combat, he should enlist in one of the combat arms specialties in either the Marines or the Army, and volunteer to go to Afghanistan.

You're a dumb whore. Go be ignorant and shallow somewhere else.

studebaker hoch: I never understood how an effective Russian fighting force materialized in our heartland for "Red Dawn".

NATO fell apart, isolating the USA. Communism spread through Central America, including Mexico. Flimsy, but it was explained in the movie.

AVENGE ME!!!
AAAAVVVVEEEEENNNNNGGGGEEEE MMMMEEEEEE!!!

Chastain86: When the hell is that Red Dawn remake coming out? That shiat filmed more than 2 years ago. They decided to airbrush out all the references to China and make the invaders North Korean, but I still want to see it. It's got friggin' Thor in the Swayze role.

HOLY FARKING SHIATE.

As a big fan of the original and steeped in the Cold War, this news is utterly huge (at least to me). So we, Hollywood, can't risk pissing off China now? So all bad guys have to be A) White supremacists B) E. European/Slavic weapons traders or now C) North Koreans? Am I forgetting anyone? Talk about not biting the hand that feeds you. This is so over the top farked up I will think about it all day. I've also been following the producers on FB for the last two years and never heard any indication of this story.

Communist China really does own our a$$.

ironrat: Bobhein: In the 1980's I was a young, confident AF member attached to an Army intel unit. I got the chance to "creep" the border with some 2nd Armored Cavalry soldiers for three days and saw a Soviet MI-8 escorted by an Mi-24. Yes, your sphincter does tighten up in situations like that...

What border? Korean?

East German.

Sapper_Topo: I live on the side of a mountain and at least 2 of my neighbors are full blown Doomsday preppers. So I feel like Id have a pretty good chance. I kid you not my one neighbor has no less than 200 guns and a basement full of ammo. Those neighbors like my cooking so I figure we can work something out.

umm, they'll kill you and take your women.

I think "Enemy Hind inbound!" and reach for my Stinger.

i dont get it, why is this greenlit?

apacheco: i dont get it, why is this greenlit?


It's a Red Green thing.

/Does anyone else see a white Dodge cargo van and think "Man I really hope a Possum Lodge meeting kicks off? Because I am so ready for that

apacheco: i dont get it, why is this greenlit?

Welcome to Obama's America.

skybreaker: I beat you aren't as ready as you think and would be killed pretty quickly.

this.
how the hell do you get ready for the S-8 rockets?