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2012-05-08 02:46:29 PM
10 votes:
I'm okay with 14-year-olds not being forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term.
2012-05-08 02:34:11 PM
9 votes:
Thanks for the tip, CNS News. I'll make a donation to NNAF today.
2012-05-08 05:13:49 PM
8 votes:

The_Philosopher_King: Heist: . . . (snip)

Exactly. The debate seems to be between the "abortion is evil" crowd and the "abortion is a necessary evil" crowd.
It ain't even evil! It's a legal, safe medical procedure, and anyone with a rudimentary understanding of embryo development understands how much of a nonevent first trimester abortions are. Yes, second and especially third trimester abortions begin to rear some ethical considerations, but if abortions were easier to obtain, those morally gray late-term abortions would be less frequent.
Abortion is great. It has made innumerable lives better, both for the would-be parents who obtain them, and for the children a woman may have later in life, when she is better prepared for it.

I agree. I have no trouble with first trimester. Second trimester should be only if health dangers are involved. Third trimester, I have trouble with. If the kid can live without the mother it is too late. From there on it is a case by case situation.


For fark's sake. Can we please put this myth of THIRD TRIMESTER ABORTIONS to rest???? Those are NOT legal and no one does them. There are about 2 people in all of the US who do later second tri abortions, and ALL of them have been shot at, threatened, and/or their clinics vandalized.

NO WOMAN has a later term abortion because they farking FEEL like it. There are legit reasons, mostly having to do with fetal genetic anomalies.

I am so sick of these anti-choice talking points - it's like the Welfare Queen stereotype on steroids. Oh, hurr durr, I decided not to have a kid after all, let's wait until it can talk and then abort! Hahahahaha!!!
2012-05-08 04:47:13 PM
8 votes:

Citrate1007: You're not helping.


No, actually they are. The less emotional we can be about something that is going to happen, and has good reasons to happen, and must be legal, the better.

I am honestly starting to tell people I am pro-abortion. Enough of the mealy mouthed, "oohhhh, no one likes abortion." Yeah, I do. Legal abortion keeps women safe and in control of their own body, since it's a human right.

So, wheeeee! Let's throw in a few Happy Bowling Meals too with fetus-shaped fries.
2012-05-08 09:58:30 PM
5 votes:

pnome: Imagine the macabre procedure that is going to be. Here we have a woman, @ 36 weeks. Could have a C-section and we'd give the baby human rights no problem. But instead she changes her mind and decides for a "late term abortion" (AKA Infanticide, at least in my book). The baby is perfectly healthy, could easily live outside the womb. But mom and doc can go ahead and kill it?

So, exactly how does that work? Is does the doctor going to cut the baby out and then cut it's little throat? And if it takes a breath, does it count as birthed then?


Well, fortunately for you, it doesn't exactly work that way:

a) Abortion past the point of viability (generally considered to be 25-26 weeks) is so incredibly regulated it's not funny, and ESPECIALLY in the third trimester.

b) In general, "third trimester abortions" are only done LEGALLY in cases where (in general) babby isn't going to survive out of utero--it's literally a a heartbreaking choice in most cases between giving birth to a stillborn infant (and in many cases, destroying mom's ability to "try again" if not outright killing her in the process) or having a second- or third-trimester abortion.

c) If something horrible happened during a pregnancy that would indicate a need for a third-trimester abortion at 36 weeks (and keep in mind that doctors do not hand out third-trimester abortions like candy; they require specific medical indications such as the fetus being non-viable and/or continuation of the pregnancy being a threat to the life of the mother) they will usually try to induce labour early or have a C-section if there's any indication that the pregnancy is viable.

d) There is all of ONE OB/GYN and one in training IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE US IF NOT NORTH AMERICA that have specific training and the willingness to perform third-trimester abortions, and again, restrict these to instances where babby is stillborn and/or continuing pregnancy threatens the life or health of the mother. (Yes, a 14-year-old forced to carry a large pregnancy to term could count, especially if babby has hydrocephaly or some other condition that could rule out vaginal birth or result in difficult birth.)

There used to be two doctors, but one of them got assassinated in his own church (as he was performing duties as a deacon) by the dominionist terrorist group the Army of God. Seeing as the Army of God is probably the most active domestic terrorist organisation in the US and has some rather active cells (with a long history of murder, arson, and even the occasional faux-weapons-of-mass-destruction mailing)--and attempts to actively crack down on their terrorism are cockblocked routinely by the Sinn Fein to the Army of God's IRA (namely, Operation Rescue, Operation Save America, and a number of other groups with provable ties to Army of God cell leaders)...let's just say not a whole lot of folks are willing to risk life, limb and martyrdom on a daily basis to allow safe access to late-trimester abortions in the US.
2012-05-08 05:22:41 PM
5 votes:
From the Weeners on TFA:

Let's hope and pray that the people who gave money for these -Abortions- gets a form of -Cancer- that is painful and is incurable. Let's hope and pray that the 14 year old -Slut- can never have a baby again, just saying...

And he gets 5 "likes."

So Christlike.
2012-05-08 02:35:37 PM
5 votes:
While the article's approach frames the story very negatively, it really is a nice break that the money raised will spare the would-be mothers from being pinned with the expense of the procedure. I just hope that plenty of follow-through is provided so that the would-be mothers won't end up in the gutter after the separation.
2012-05-08 05:21:29 PM
4 votes:

Talondel: FTFA: "I'm pretty smart for 14, I think," Darcy writes. "I love biology"

Must have been absent the day they taught about conception in biology class.


Or maybe she was absent the day they taught self-defense. Or the day they taught naive young teenagers to steer clear of creepy grown men. Don't make assumptions.
2012-05-08 04:54:55 PM
4 votes:

pnome: When do human rights begin?


When a person makes the maximum legal contribution to a political candidate.
2012-05-08 04:54:24 PM
4 votes:

Janusdog: No, actually they are. The less emotional we can be about something that is going to happen, and has good reasons to happen, and must be legal, the better.

I am honestly starting to tell people I am pro-abortion. Enough of the mealy mouthed, "oohhhh, no one likes abortion." Yeah, I do. Legal abortion keeps women safe and in control of their own body, since it's a human right.

So, wheeeee! Let's throw in a few Happy Bowling Meals too with fetus-shaped fries.


Exactly. The debate seems to be between the "abortion is evil" crowd and the "abortion is a necessary evil" crowd.

It ain't even evil! It's a legal, safe medical procedure, and anyone with a rudimentary understanding of embryo development understands how much of a nonevent first trimester abortions are. Yes, second and especially third trimester abortions begin to rear some ethical considerations, but if abortions were easier to obtain, those morally gray late-term abortions would be less frequent.

Abortion is great. It has made innumerable lives better, both for the would-be parents who obtain them, and for the children a woman may have later in life, when she is better prepared for it.
2012-05-08 04:41:14 PM
4 votes:
An abortion for a 14 year old? Thats about 57 trimesters late isnt it?
2012-05-08 10:16:45 PM
3 votes:

pnome: When do human rights begin?


Just a few months later than human wrongs, apparently.
2012-05-08 06:51:05 PM
3 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: pnome: I May Be Crazy But...: pnome: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Sorry, I'm not a christian, so, what Jesus may or may not have intended doesn't matter to me.

So, "birth" is your rule. I can go off and kill or enslave anyone delivered via caesarian?

think about it harder.

Or you can think about it. C-section is birth. Just because I never saw the inside of a vagina until embarrassing late in life doesn't mean I have Cesareandays instead of Birthdays. "Birth, like Jesus" is a flippant answer of course, but that doesn't take away your responsibility to not be stupid.

Ok Ok.... we'll call it: C-section = birth.

Now, I take it then that at ANY time before that, it's ok to abort? Am I understanding you all correctly?

Well, if it's the third trimester, you have a responsibility to grill it. Anything else is a waste of perfectly good food.

/I know I'm not the first to make this joke.


I understand there is a market for this in China, but you have to figure out how to fit it into tiny capsules.
2012-05-08 06:36:12 PM
3 votes:

pnome: Imagine the macabre procedure that is going to be. Here we have a woman, @ 36 weeks. Could have a C-section and we'd give the baby human rights no problem. But instead she changes her mind and decides for a "late term abortion" (AKA Infanticide, at least in my book). The baby is perfectly healthy, could easily live outside the womb. But mom and doc can go ahead and kill it?


You're probably trolling, but I'll bite. Late term abortions, which means 20 weeks or later after gestation, comprise less than 1% of total abortions. And that's without knowing the exact reason why the fetus was aborted (health reasons, changed mind, whatever).

But let's say that "mom and doc" are legally barred from abortion in this circumstance. If the reason for the abortion was for the mother's health, now the mother and baby could both die. If the reason was because the baby had a severe mental of physical disability, now that means the family is saddled with a lifelong burden. And if it was because the mom changed her mind, then the baby will either grow up in a hostile home, or sent for adoption and has a statistical likelihood of bouncing between foster homes and, if male, becoming another inmate in our nation's prison system.

None of these outcomes sound good for the mother or the baby. But so long as the baby is born you've made sure God's will is done, right?
2012-05-08 04:51:26 PM
3 votes:
FTFA: "I'm pretty smart for 14, I think," Darcy writes. "I love biology"

Must have been absent the day they taught about conception in biology class.
2012-05-09 12:29:13 AM
2 votes:
The comments on that site make me sad for humanity. It's like they really believe the hateful bullshiat they're spewing.
2012-05-08 11:28:32 PM
2 votes:
I donated to NNAF, and Planned Parenthood while I was at it.
/tax deductible donations
2012-05-08 11:24:55 PM
2 votes:
I am printing this article and sending it to every fundie church in our state along with a copy of the check I'm sending to NNAF.

I'm just bummed that there is no hell, because I'd really like to see these churchy idiots burn down there for their hate-fueled rhetoric.
2012-05-08 10:52:38 PM
2 votes:

coordman: fusillade762: Real question: what makes a newborn human more valuable than a cow or a chicken?

You aren't helping.


No, really, I'd seriously like an answer to that question. Is a newborn smarter than an adult cow or pig? Are they more able to survive on their own? What makes them so special?
2012-05-08 10:03:50 PM
2 votes:

Cagey B: Thanks for the tip, CNS News. I'll make a donation to NNAF today.


Exactly what I'm doing right now. Sounds like a good cause to me.
2012-05-08 10:02:33 PM
2 votes:

TofuTheAlmighty: pnome: When do human rights begin?

Define "human."


I prefer to go with the term "person". Just because something has human DNA doesn't make it intrinsically valuable. So I'd go with the point when they're self-aware and see themselves as a distinct individual.

Real question: what makes a newborn human more valuable than a cow or a chicken?
2012-05-08 08:31:56 PM
2 votes:
Soiled Underwear: That's cool dude. Have a nice day :)

Keep lying about stuff on FARK. It amuses people who know how full of crap you are.

mikaloyd: The m word is so ugly. Lets call it cell growth rate control steps instead.

What he is describing has always been illegal. It's known as pithing. Federal law requires any baby born of a late-stage abortion which shows signs of life to be resuscitated. They cannot kill neonates if they show signs of life.

Abortion is not murder. That is.
2012-05-08 08:26:44 PM
2 votes:
I'd check the sources from anything that spewed out of CNS. They make FOX News look like Pravda.
2012-05-08 08:05:28 PM
2 votes:
If 14 year olds stopped reproducing, CNS News would cease to exist.
2012-05-08 08:05:05 PM
2 votes:

overmortal: I realize I'm going against the general flow here, but I don't care.

At the moment those two sets of DNA combine, that is a human being. To intentionally kill that is to kill a person. That person has done nothing to you to warrant some sort of self-defense, so to kill that person is murder.

"This is my body and I can do what I want with it." That's right. It is your body. And, unless you were raped, you've already decided what you'll allow to happen to your body. Now, that little person inside of you? That constellation of cells is THEIR body. You do NOT have a right to destroy their body, especially when your only reason for doing so is because allowing them to live would be inconvenient for you.

Call me a hate-monger if you like. Your calling me an inaccurate name doesn't affect what the truth is. That person growing in the womb has done nothing to deserve death, and you have no right to deal death to them.


I had a miscarriage of a pregnancy that was very much wanted. Guess what? It wasn't a baby. Sure, it had legs and arms, but I know in my mind and heart it wasn't a baby. It was the potential for a baby. A fetus doesn't even approach viability or even feel pain until pretty much the fifth or sixth month. Surfactant isn't even in the lungs in any amount until that time, which is required for survival outside the womb, even with intensive medical treatment. I'm sorry you have been duped into thinking human DNA = baby.

/ignorant or troll?
//you decide, farkers
2012-05-08 07:50:00 PM
2 votes:
Soiled Underwear: Whether you want to believe me or not is up to you, but it was a voluntary assignment for a philosophy course at EKU. We watched a 16mm film from the 80s which showed multiple procedures (at different points in the pregnancy) being performed and that was what they did for what appeared to be a 9 month foetus. There were things that occurred before and after that in the procedure but by that point the bible-thumpers were literally screaming in the classroom at the Professor and the people telling them to be quiet. Film narration was in German (maybe Dutch?) so I'm not entirely sure of the age.

/Assignment was extra credit.
//I can't believe it's been 15 years now
///feels bad man


Well. I'm calling it. Bullshiat. Your phillosophy professor was showing an actual snuff film, then? Because the procedure you describe is known as pithing, and it's considered to be murder.
2012-05-08 07:45:15 PM
2 votes:
The only thing wrong with this is that the girl couldn't get the medical care she needed because she didn't have the cash.

In any civilized country, abortions and birth control should be free, and freely available to all.
2012-05-08 07:34:56 PM
2 votes:
Thanks CNSNews!

Without your diligent reporting, I might never have know about this group, or be able to donate money to their cause. You're really doing a service here.

And I hope your collective heads explode because of it.
2012-05-08 07:02:09 PM
2 votes:

Quasar: I hope they used a pink bowling ball as a metaphor for what could have been done to prevent this situation in the first place.


I don't get it. What's the significance of the color pink in this instance?

A latex wrapped bowling ball seems to make more sense, but then you've just guaranteed that you'll bowl a shiatty game.

/recreational bowling is fun
//never understood competitive bowling
2012-05-08 06:13:39 PM
2 votes:
Can we also start an armored vehicle and bulletproof vest fund for abortion providers?
2012-05-08 05:58:44 PM
2 votes:

pnome: Here we have a woman, @ 36 weeks.


Where are you getting this?
2012-05-08 05:19:57 PM
2 votes:
media-cdn.pinterest.com
2012-05-08 05:16:40 PM
2 votes:

CokeBear: pnome: When do human rights begin?

Hint: You celebrate on an annual basis the date you acquired your human rights.


July 4?
2012-05-08 05:15:34 PM
2 votes:

pnome: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Sorry, I'm not a christian, so, what Jesus may or may not have intended doesn't matter to me.

So, "birth" is your rule. I can go off and kill or enslave anyone delivered via caesarian?

think about it harder.


You think people delivered via caesarian aren't born and you're telling someone else to think harder?

/it's a troll, right?
//please be a troll
2012-05-08 05:13:44 PM
2 votes:

pnome: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Sorry, I'm not a christian, so, what Jesus may or may not have intended doesn't matter to me.

So, "birth" is your rule. I can go off and kill or enslave anyone delivered via caesarian?

think about it harder.


Or you can think about it. C-section is birth. Just because I never saw the inside of a vagina until embarrassing late in life doesn't mean I have Cesareandays instead of Birthdays. "Birth, like Jesus" is a flippant answer of course, but that doesn't take away your responsibility to not be stupid.
2012-05-08 05:08:05 PM
2 votes:

Talondel: FTFA: "I'm pretty smart for 14, I think," Darcy writes. "I love biology"

Must have been absent the day they taught about conception in biology class.


In most of the South, you don't learn sexual reproduction until your doctor walks you through your mandated ultrasound.
2012-05-08 05:04:25 PM
2 votes:

pnome: When do human rights begin?


Hint: You celebrate on an annual basis the date you acquired your human rights.
2012-05-08 04:54:53 PM
2 votes:

Janusdog: I am honestly starting to tell people I am pro-abortion.


I'm pro-abortion in the sense that I'm also pro-appendectomy and pro-tumorectomy.

pnome: When do human rights begin?


Define "human."
2012-05-08 04:52:24 PM
2 votes:
This is pretty awesome. I will donate to NNAF today.
2012-05-08 04:50:19 PM
2 votes:
Oh, this website seems totally legit and not fraudulant. Just look at this stinger!

CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like NPR. CNSNews.com is not funded by the government like PBS.

CNSNews.com relies on individuals like you to help us report the news the liberal media distort and ignore. Please make a tax-deductible gift to CNSNews.com today. Your continued support will ensure that CNSNews.com is here reporting THE TRUTH, for a long time to come. It's fast, easy and secure.


I bet they'd never embelish the truth!

The comments are also awesome. Nothing like "good, true Christians" wishing death and calling a 14 year old a "coont".
2012-05-08 04:43:28 PM
2 votes:
It's actually very fitting. When a doctor aborts three fetuses in a row it's also called a turkey.
2012-05-08 03:13:23 PM
2 votes:
NNAF's a great organization, they've been doing these bowl-a-thons for a while now. I always sponsor, though, because I can't bowl for shiat.
2012-05-08 03:04:03 PM
2 votes:
I have absolutely no problem with that.
2012-05-08 02:25:32 PM
2 votes:
I would totally do this.
2012-05-09 10:06:16 AM
1 votes:

Britney Spear's Speculum: Conservative intellectual and scientific kryptonite:

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, The Hydatidiform mole


Nice, I'll put it into words anti-choicers can understand:

Sometimes what looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, feels like a duck is not always a duck so stop using jesus as an excuse for science. Stick that in your Bible and pray to it.


I like this part too:

A hydatidiform mole conception may be categorized in medical terms as one type of non-induced (natural) "missed abortion"[6] - referred to colloquially as a "missed miscarriage", because the pregnancy has become non-viable (miscarried) but was not immediately expelled (therefore was "missed").

In other words, you need an abortion to stop a pregnancy that was never going to result in a human child any way. Or should a woman just die because she's a slut? What's it gonna be jesus freaks?
2012-05-09 09:22:58 AM
1 votes:
Why is this bad, again?

Worst case scenario - the reactionaries are right, and a fertilized ovum is a human being with a soul. Oh, and there's a Heaven with Jesus and angels and all that.

Abortion means that this "person" gets to skip all the bullshiat and go straight to paradise.

Do they WANT people to suffer and earn their place in Heaven? Well, since that was Mother Teresa's prime directive, I guess it's possible.
2012-05-09 06:48:40 AM
1 votes:

chairmenmeow47: why do people always assume unprotected sex is the reason someone got pregnant? .


Because admitting anything else would remove all semblance of subtlety from the 'punish the sluts' basis of the anti-choice movement.
2012-05-08 11:47:19 PM
1 votes:
why do people always assume unprotected sex is the reason someone got pregnant? people get pregnant on birth control; especially if they don't know to take it at the exact same time every day or while taking certain other drugs. i've known someone who got pregnant on the depo shot for crying out loud.

also condoms tear and fall off; especially if the man is inexperienced or of an abnormal size.

birth control and condoms merely give men permission to cum inside a woman when that's probably not a good idea.
2012-05-08 09:36:52 PM
1 votes:
Huh, didn't know this organization existed. Good for them. Definitely will have to find some spare cash to donate.
2012-05-08 09:17:55 PM
1 votes:

kbotc: RabidRythmDivas: overmortal:
Call me a hate-monger if you like. Your calling me an inaccurate name doesn't affect what the truth is. That person growing in the womb has done nothing to deserve death, and you have no right to deal death to them.

You're right, I don't. But the pregnant woman does.

But wouldn't the world be a better place if we could all make up our own definitions of "person"? People like you wouldn't fit in my definition.

Alas, you live in a society where you don't get to make the rules, just like he doesn't. The pregnant woman doesn't get to define these things either. People don't get to define these things for a reason, because people act on emotion and not logic.


I vote, I petition, I protest, I express my opinion whenever possible, take every poll & survey I can, and debate in the public forum like this. I may not be the only one 'making the rules' in society, but I'm certainly not letting other people make them without my input.
2012-05-08 09:12:46 PM
1 votes:
Conservative intellectual and scientific kryptonite:

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, The Hydatidiform mole
2012-05-08 08:59:08 PM
1 votes:

overmortal:
Call me a hate-monger if you like. Your calling me an inaccurate name doesn't affect what the truth is. That person growing in the womb has done nothing to deserve death, and you have no right to deal death to them.


You're right, I don't. But the pregnant woman does.

But wouldn't the world be a better place if we could all make up our own definitions of "person"? People like you wouldn't fit in my definition.
2012-05-08 08:53:30 PM
1 votes:
Terrydatroll: I don't, however, believe that a single tax dollar should pay for it. I would rather my taxes went to support the living, not destroy the questionably human.

Wow. You'd think this argument would have been settled a long time ago. But it still gets brought up daily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Amendment

In U.S. politics, the Hyde Amendment is a legislative provision barring the use of certain federal funds to pay for abortions.[1] It is not a permanent law, rather it is a "rider" that, in various forms, has been routinely attached to annual appropriations bills since 1976. The Hyde Amendment applies only to funds allocated by the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Health and Human Services. It primarily affects Medicaid.
2012-05-08 08:47:30 PM
1 votes:
MEANWHILE, THE FATHER IS DOING... WHAT?

t3.gstatic.com
2012-05-08 08:26:13 PM
1 votes:

davidphogan: The worst thing about abortion is that the placenta doesn't age properly. The sandwiches just end up with a fishy taste.


Tarter sauce and a spritz of lemon juice will cover it nicely.
2012-05-08 08:26:03 PM
1 votes:

The Shatner Incident:
I had a miscarriage of a pregnancy that was very much wanted. Guess what? It wasn't a baby. Sure, it had legs and arms, but I know in my mind and heart it wasn't a baby. It was the potential for a baby. A fetus doesn't even approach viability or even feel pain until pretty much the fifth or sixth month. Surfactant isn't even in the lungs in any amount until that time, which is required for survival outside the womb, even with intensive medical treatment. I'm sorry you have been duped into thinking human DNA = baby.


You wanna tell me that the ability to feel pain is necessary to consider a being to be alive?

What about people with nervous system disorders?
2012-05-08 08:15:33 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: superfudge73: Janusdog: Citrate1007: You're not helping.

No, actually they are. The less emotional we can be about something that is going to happen, and has good reasons to happen, and must be legal, the better.

I am honestly starting to tell people I am pro-abortion. Enough of the mealy mouthed, "oohhhh, no one likes abortion." Yeah, I do. Legal abortion keeps women safe and in control of their own body, since it's a human right.

So, wheeeee! Let's throw in a few Happy Bowling Meals too with fetus-shaped fries.

It also has caused a tremendous drop in crime rates in the US.

Exactly. I'm not pro-abortion because it protects women's rights or whatever, that's just a side benefit. I'm pro-abortion because if the mother doesn't want the baby it's much more likely that the baby is going to grow up to be a criminal or a leech on society. So kill away, ladies. I don't care if you call it a child, baby, fetus, embryo or what. Kill them farkers.



You are a new favorite to be sure. Honesty is always the best policy.
xcv
2012-05-08 08:03:17 PM
1 votes:

overmortal: I realize I'm going against the general flow here, but I don't care.

At the moment those two sets of DNA combine, that is a human being. To intentionally kill that is to kill a person. That person has done nothing to you to warrant some sort of self-defense, so to kill that person is murder.

"This is my body and I can do what I want with it." That's right. It is your body. And, unless you were raped, you've already decided what you'll allow to happen to your body. Now, that little person inside of you? That constellation of cells is THEIR body. You do NOT have a right to destroy their body, especially when your only reason for doing so is because allowing them to live would be inconvenient for you.

Call me a hate-monger if you like. Your calling me an inaccurate name doesn't affect what the truth is. That person growing in the womb has done nothing to deserve death, and you have no right to deal death to them.


Cool, I don't consider it a human being till at least a few weeks after birth based on nervous system development, but i accept the first 3 trimesters as the legal limit for abortion. And natural law is on my side given that infanticide was an acceptable practice for most of human history, a necessary evil to prevent the sufferings of overpopulation and unwanted children leading short, miserable lives of hunger and neglect.
2012-05-08 08:01:15 PM
1 votes:

overmortal: At the moment those two sets of DNA combine, that is a human being. To intentionally kill that is to kill a person. That person has done nothing to you to warrant some sort of self-defense, so to kill that person is murder.


And you just stand by and let it happen. Good job.
2012-05-08 08:00:16 PM
1 votes:

overmortal: I realize I'm going against the general flow here, but I don't care.

At the moment those two sets of DNA combine, that is a human being. To intentionally kill that is to kill a person. That person has done nothing to you to warrant some sort of self-defense, so to kill that person is murder.

"This is my body and I can do what I want with it." That's right. It is your body. And, unless you were raped, you've already decided what you'll allow to happen to your body. Now, that little person inside of you? That constellation of cells is THEIR body. You do NOT have a right to destroy their body, especially when your only reason for doing so is because allowing them to live would be inconvenient for you.

Call me a hate-monger if you like. Your calling me an inaccurate name doesn't affect what the truth is. That person growing in the womb has done nothing to deserve death, and you have no right to deal death to them.


3/10
2012-05-08 07:54:53 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: murder.



The m word is so ugly. Lets call it cell growth rate control steps instead.
2012-05-08 07:48:21 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Terrydatroll: RabidRythmDivas: hdhale: RabidRythmDivas: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Actually, the Bible tells us it's more like 1 or 2 months after birth.

That is some fantastic troll bait. Catch much with it?

No troll. Just Biblical fact. Leviticus 27:6. Numbers 3:15-16.

Babies aren't considered persons until after they are one month old.

The Jews wrote the Bible and they say it is at conception. Just saying....

As far as the girl. I really didn't know it was legal to abort 14 year olds....could have saved me a lot of trouble and expense.

Haha, no. The Jews say three days after birth.


"You're not a person until you're in my phone book" -Bill Hicks
2012-05-08 07:38:47 PM
1 votes:
Despite the attempts of pnomes to liven it up a bit, this abortion thread is an abortion compared to the one in the article. That thing is gonna go full term, kill its mother at birth, grow up with mental deficiencies and hideous deformities, knock up a highschool girl, take her to get an abortion and then blow up the clinic.
2012-05-08 07:19:56 PM
1 votes:
I was going to work in a retro-hipster Camper Van Beethoven sub reference here, but then had a rare moment of self-awareness.
2012-05-08 07:10:17 PM
1 votes:

Soiled Underwear: pnome: Imagine the macabre procedure that is going to be. Here we have a woman, @ 36 weeks. Could have a C-section and we'd give the baby human rights no problem. But instead she changes her mind and decides for a "late term abortion" (AKA Infanticide, at least in my book). The baby is perfectly healthy, could easily live outside the womb. But mom and doc can go ahead and kill it?

So, exactly how does that work? Is does the doctor going to cut the baby out and then cut it's little throat? And if it takes a breath, does it count as birthed then?

Typically they pull the foetus out and snip its spinal cord.

/watched the procedure in college
//pretty wild



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0/10

It's times like this I wish I believed in a god just so I could pray the Serenity prayer. I guess I'll have to settle for alcohol.

/Why do you put crap out there like this? You know someone is going to believe you, don't you? FFS...
2012-05-08 07:00:21 PM
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Quasar: I hope they used a pink bowling ball as a metaphor for what could have been done to prevent this situation in the first place.


Pink bowling ball = not letting your boyfriend blow his wad in your snatch?

I don't get it.
2012-05-08 06:48:52 PM
1 votes:
I wish we could raise/spend just as much money on comprehensive and appropriate sex ed.
2012-05-08 06:44:03 PM
1 votes:
i.ytimg.com
2012-05-08 06:37:29 PM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Terrydatroll: RabidRythmDivas: hdhale: RabidRythmDivas: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Actually, the Bible tells us it's more like 1 or 2 months after birth.

That is some fantastic troll bait. Catch much with it?

No troll. Just Biblical fact. Leviticus 27:6. Numbers 3:15-16.

Babies aren't considered persons until after they are one month old.

The Jews wrote the Bible and they say it is at conception. Just saying....

As far as the girl. I really didn't know it was legal to abort 14 year olds....could have saved me a lot of trouble and expense.

Haha, no. The Jews say three days after birth.


Got me there.
2012-05-08 06:35:21 PM
1 votes:

pnome: Imagine the macabre procedure that is going to be. Here we have a woman, @ 36 weeks. Could have a C-section and we'd give the baby human rights no problem. But instead she changes her mind and decides for a "late term abortion" (AKA Infanticide, at least in my book). The baby is perfectly healthy, could easily live outside the womb. But mom and doc can go ahead and kill it?

So, exactly how does that work? Is does the doctor going to cut the baby out and then cut it's little throat? And if it takes a breath, does it count as birthed then?


weknowmemes.com
2012-05-08 06:33:37 PM
1 votes:

Terrydatroll: RabidRythmDivas: hdhale: RabidRythmDivas: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Actually, the Bible tells us it's more like 1 or 2 months after birth.

That is some fantastic troll bait. Catch much with it?

No troll. Just Biblical fact. Leviticus 27:6. Numbers 3:15-16.

Babies aren't considered persons until after they are one month old.

The Jews wrote the Bible and they say it is at conception. Just saying....

As far as the girl. I really didn't know it was legal to abort 14 year olds....could have saved me a lot of trouble and expense.


Haha, no. The Jews say three days after birth.
2012-05-08 06:24:52 PM
1 votes:
I like that Dawkins idea on when life begins. Abortion should be legal up until age one. That way if things aren't working out you can still abort their life. They still aren't aware yet, so if the is a problem it an be terminated before it becomes a burden to society.
2012-05-08 06:23:29 PM
1 votes:

hdhale: RabidRythmDivas: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Actually, the Bible tells us it's more like 1 or 2 months after birth.

That is some fantastic troll bait. Catch much with it?


No troll. Just Biblical fact. Leviticus 27:6. Numbers 3:15-16.

Babies aren't considered persons until after they are one month old.
2012-05-08 06:22:19 PM
1 votes:

pnome: Imagine the macabre procedure



Glad to see you payed attention at Barney The Dinosaur's School for Kids Who Can't Debate Good and Stuff.
2012-05-08 06:21:34 PM
1 votes:

Talondel: FTFA: "I'm pretty smart for 14, I think," Darcy writes. "I love biology"

Must have been absent the day they taught about conception in biology class.


Common mistake for kids. You can love biology, you just shouldn't love biology.
2012-05-08 06:19:09 PM
1 votes:
The Tiller Fund raises money for abortions performed after 20 weeks in honor of the late-term abortionist, who was murdered in 2009.

I'm sorry but we don't call a person who treats hypertension a "hypertensionist" we don't call a person who performs a coronary artery bypass graft a "coronary artery bypass graftist." Drop the misleading labels please.

You don't add "-ist" at the end of a medical procedure to identify the person who performs that procedure.
2012-05-08 06:18:34 PM
1 votes:

Walosi: AdolfOliverPanties: Anyone who would get a girl like that pregnant would be a real turkey who would probably split after breaking the law like that.


Gott I am so dumb :-P. I totally missed the joke on first read, but the second time through I laughed.
2012-05-08 06:15:07 PM
1 votes:

pnome: Imagine the macabre procedure that is going to be. Here we have a woman, @ 36 weeks. Could have a C-section and we'd give the baby human rights no problem. But instead she changes her mind and decides for a "late term abortion" (AKA Infanticide, at least in my book). The baby is perfectly healthy, could easily live outside the womb. But mom and doc can go ahead and kill it?

So, exactly how does that work? Is does the doctor going to cut the baby out and then cut it's little throat? And if it takes a breath, does it count as birthed then?


Here we have a strawman. Watch as pnome beats the tar out of it!

Yes, if it turns out that giving birth to the child in any way puts the mother at risk of death or disfigurement, she has every farking right to abort it. Like I said before, if you don't like the reality of that situation, don't have unprotected sex with a woman.
2012-05-08 06:12:51 PM
1 votes:

pnome: I May Be Crazy But...: pnome: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Sorry, I'm not a christian, so, what Jesus may or may not have intended doesn't matter to me.

So, "birth" is your rule. I can go off and kill or enslave anyone delivered via caesarian?

think about it harder.

Or you can think about it. C-section is birth. Just because I never saw the inside of a vagina until embarrassing late in life doesn't mean I have Cesareandays instead of Birthdays. "Birth, like Jesus" is a flippant answer of course, but that doesn't take away your responsibility to not be stupid.

Ok Ok.... we'll call it: C-section = birth.

Now, I take it then that at ANY time before that, it's ok to abort? Am I understanding you all correctly?


Yes, my body my rules. You don't like it? Don't have unprotected sex with me.
2012-05-08 06:12:18 PM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: Anyone who would get a girl like that pregnant would be a real turkey who would probably split after breaking the law like that.


In general, the younger the girl the older the father. So when you are talking 14 yo and below the fathers are in their 20s or older, so really kind of an abuse situation. Or at least that is what I read (department of health statistics) when I did some research for a children's shelter pamphlet.
2012-05-08 05:53:21 PM
1 votes:

pnome: I May Be Crazy But...: pnome: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Sorry, I'm not a christian, so, what Jesus may or may not have intended doesn't matter to me.

So, "birth" is your rule. I can go off and kill or enslave anyone delivered via caesarian?

think about it harder.

Or you can think about it. C-section is birth. Just because I never saw the inside of a vagina until embarrassing late in life doesn't mean I have Cesareandays instead of Birthdays. "Birth, like Jesus" is a flippant answer of course, but that doesn't take away your responsibility to not be stupid.

Ok Ok.... we'll call it: C-section = birth.

Now, I take it then that at ANY time before that, it's ok to abort? Am I understanding you all correctly?


Well, if it's the third trimester, you have a responsibility to grill it. Anything else is a waste of perfectly good food.

/I know I'm not the first to make this joke.
2012-05-08 05:49:47 PM
1 votes:
OK.... which one of you posted this comment? (In response to some indignant woman commenting "that little girl is a slut who should have kept her legs shut:)

Dietrich Von Bacon, I love bacon and stop trying to change that glorious fact.
Actually, the best birth control method is a face like yours. Damn, woman! Just seeing the thumbnail killed a week's worth of boners.
2012-05-08 05:42:50 PM
1 votes:
These abortion threads always make me hungry.
2012-05-08 05:40:09 PM
1 votes:

rustypouch: Debeo Summa Credo: vernonFL: CokeBear: pnome: When do human rights begin?

Hint: You celebrate on an annual basis the date you acquired your human rights.

July 4?

Festivus?

Arbor Day?


National Bowling Day?
2012-05-08 05:39:24 PM
1 votes:

pnome: When do human rights begin?


Same day the parents to-be decide up until labor starts or is recommended to be induced by a physician for the health of the to-be child rather than the to-be mother but not in direct harm to the to-be mother. I know, not concrete, but is the best answer I as a male who is not a parent and has never had to help seek an abortion after impregnating someone am willing to give on a topic which is personal and complex.

Of course, I know you were looking to mess with people who answered your question by giving them scenarios which contorted those human rights beliefs. The better question for those of us on the uncertain side is, "When does the government have an interest in protecting rights which are considered human?"
2012-05-08 05:34:29 PM
1 votes:
14 year olds, dude...

26.media.tumblr.com
2012-05-08 05:32:54 PM
1 votes:

Janusdog: Citrate1007: You're not helping.

No, actually they are. The less emotional we can be about something that is going to happen, and has good reasons to happen, and must be legal, the better.

I am honestly starting to tell people I am pro-abortion. Enough of the mealy mouthed, "oohhhh, no one likes abortion." Yeah, I do. Legal abortion keeps women safe and in control of their own body, since it's a human right.

So, wheeeee! Let's throw in a few Happy Bowling Meals too with fetus-shaped fries.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Abortions for all!
(booo!!!)
Very well, NO abortions for ANYONE!
(boooooooo!)

Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
2012-05-08 05:32:23 PM
1 votes:

Dixie_Wrecked: FTFA

"I'm pretty smart for 14, I think," Darcy writes

"There's no way that me and my mom could have come up with that much," she said.

"Getting my abortion means I'm going to get a second chance. And I want to make it count."

Pretty smart? I had better grammar at 14 and my grades sucked.


If she was pretty smart she would have had her baby daddy wear a condom.

Eugenics at its finest.
2012-05-08 05:31:30 PM
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colorado_zombie: I am too. But call me a prude, I would prefer 14 year olds didn't have sex to begin with.


My only objection to fourteen year olds having sex is teenagers are stupid, every last boy and girl, and have no ability to differentiate between lust and infatuation and love, prepare before hand in order to avoid becoming pregnant or getting others pregnant, and avoid becoming pressured into sex. Plus, fourteen year olds are terrible with sex while being bombarded with inaccurate imagery of sex in media which sometimes leaves us with eighteen year olds who are terrible with sex. Of course, the only way I learned to differentiate lust from love, prepare, ignore pressures of sex, and have some semblance of the mechanics involved was to be a stupid teenager and have sex.
2012-05-08 05:22:27 PM
1 votes:
"We figure an abortion clinic is a good place to meet loose women. Why else would they be there unless they like to fark?"

s17.postimage.org

/I am the master of the C.L.I.T.
2012-05-08 05:21:06 PM
1 votes:

Talondel: FTFA: "I'm pretty smart for 14, I think," Darcy writes. "I love biology"

Must have been absent the day they taught about conception in biology class.


Taught in school? Surely you jest!
2012-05-08 05:18:54 PM
1 votes:

Dixie_Wrecked: FTFA

"I'm pretty smart for 14, I think," Darcy writes

"There's no way that me and my mom could have come up with that much," she said.

"Getting my abortion means I'm going to get a second chance. And I want to make it count."

Pretty smart? I had better grammar at 14 and my grades sucked.


You think she wrote the article?
2012-05-08 05:18:34 PM
1 votes:

Janusdog: Citrate1007: You're not helping.

No, actually they are. The less emotional we can be about something that is going to happen, and has good reasons to happen, and must be legal, the better.

I am honestly starting to tell people I am pro-abortion. Enough of the mealy mouthed, "oohhhh, no one likes abortion." Yeah, I do. Legal abortion keeps women safe and in control of their own body, since it's a human right.

So, wheeeee! Let's throw in a few Happy Bowling Meals too with fetus-shaped fries.


It also has caused a tremendous drop in crime rates in the US.
2012-05-08 05:17:51 PM
1 votes:

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.


Actually, the Bible tells us it's more like 1 or 2 months after birth.
2012-05-08 05:16:40 PM
1 votes:

Citrate1007: You're not helping.


Yes, they are.
2012-05-08 05:15:32 PM
1 votes:
I donate annually to this. It's a great cause.
2012-05-08 05:13:38 PM
1 votes:

pnome: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Sorry, I'm not a christian, so, what Jesus may or may not have intended doesn't matter to me.

So, "birth" is your rule. I can go off and kill or enslave anyone delivered via caesarian?

think about it harder.


/facepalm
2012-05-08 05:09:17 PM
1 votes:

Janusdog: I am honestly starting to tell people I am pro-abortion.


I have begun this as well. Abortions are trying experiences themselves for the woman without us making them out to be disgusting things used in the narrowest of circumstances. Reality is abortions occur all of the time, the artificial ones humans cause purposefully just happen a little after. Frankly, unless a person is certain they want and are prepared for a child, should not bring one into the world, and however this occurs is acceptable to me (some limits on timeframe exist, of course, but rather lax limits).
2012-05-08 05:06:17 PM
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The My Little Pony Killer: I'm okay with 14-year-olds not being forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term.


I am too. But call me a prude, I would prefer 14 year olds didn't have sex to begin with.
2012-05-08 05:02:29 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: The comments are also awesome. Nothing like "good, true Christians" wishing death and calling a 14 year old a "coont".


I feel dirt for reading many of those comments.

However, I never heard of this organization. Good for them. I'll have to file away the name for a little donation later on or see if they do any events around here.
2012-05-08 04:59:18 PM
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zulius: AdolfOliverPanties: CommieTaoist: While the article's approach frames the story very negatively, it really is a nice break that the money raised will spare the would-be mothers from being pinned with the expense of the procedure. I just hope that plenty of follow-through is provided so that the would-be mothers won't end up in the gutter after the separation.

I agree. And at least the girl is 14, and we aren't hearing about some girl in the 7-10 age group. Anyone who would get a girl like that pregnant would be a real turkey who would probably split after breaking the law like that.

Spare me...


Scratch that - anyone who would get a girl in that group pregnant is probably going to be serving time... although I suppose he'll argue he was framed.
2012-05-08 04:55:40 PM
1 votes:
I've heard of back alley abortions, but bowling alley?
2012-05-08 04:51:45 PM
1 votes:
When do human rights begin?
2012-05-08 04:50:30 PM
1 votes:
t3.gstatic.com
2012-05-08 04:49:36 PM
1 votes:

GORDON: Isn't anyone worried about her being raped, since according to the last "Republican War on Women" rant I heard, rape was the only way to incur an unwanted pregnancy, so I had to pay for my neighbor's birth control for when she got raped in the future?


0/10. Weak, and too obvious.
2012-05-08 04:44:45 PM
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Isn't anyone worried about her being raped, since according to the last "Republican War on Women" rant I heard, rape was the only way to incur an unwanted pregnancy, so I had to pay for my neighbor's birth control for when she got raped in the future?
2012-05-08 04:15:27 PM
1 votes:

Marisyana: NNAF's a great organization, they've been doing these bowl-a-thons for a while now. I always sponsor, though, because I can't bowl for shiat.


A fellow MSW student works in their call center. It's a much needed service.
2012-05-08 04:11:04 PM
1 votes:
Pregnant girl + heavy bowling ball...seems like a solution is already presenting itself
2012-05-08 02:49:34 PM
1 votes:

CommieTaoist: While the article's approach frames the story very negatively, it really is a nice break that the money raised will spare the would-be mothers from being pinned with the expense of the procedure. I just hope that plenty of follow-through is provided so that the would-be mothers won't end up in the gutter after the separation.


I agree. And at least the girl is 14, and we aren't hearing about some girl in the 7-10 age group. Anyone who would get a girl like that pregnant would be a real turkey who would probably split after breaking the law like that.
 
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