The only thing wrong with this is that the girl couldn't get the medical care she needed because she didn't have the cash.

In any civilized country, abortions and birth control should be free, and freely available to all.

The My Little Pony Killer: Terrydatroll: RabidRythmDivas: hdhale: RabidRythmDivas: The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: pnome: When do human rights begin?

At birth, just as Jesus intended.

Actually, the Bible tells us it's more like 1 or 2 months after birth.

That is some fantastic troll bait. Catch much with it?

No troll. Just Biblical fact. Leviticus 27:6. Numbers 3:15-16.

Babies aren't considered persons until after they are one month old.

The Jews wrote the Bible and they say it is at conception. Just saying....

As far as the girl. I really didn't know it was legal to abort 14 year olds....could have saved me a lot of trouble and expense.

Haha, no. The Jews say three days after birth.

"You're not a person until you're in my phone book" -Bill Hicks

BronyMedic: murder.


The m word is so ugly. Lets call it cell growth rate control steps instead.

Huh, didn't know this organization existed. Good for them. Definitely will have to find some spare cash to donate.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, The Hydatidiform mole

OK, but seriously, make mine a really small slice.

pnome: Imagine the macabre procedure that is going to be. Here we have a woman, @ 36 weeks. Could have a C-section and we'd give the baby human rights no problem. But instead she changes her mind and decides for a "late term abortion" (AKA Infanticide, at least in my book). The baby is perfectly healthy, could easily live outside the womb. But mom and doc can go ahead and kill it?

So, exactly how does that work? Is does the doctor going to cut the baby out and then cut it's little throat? And if it takes a breath, does it count as birthed then?

Well, fortunately for you, it doesn't exactly work that way:

a) Abortion past the point of viability (generally considered to be 25-26 weeks) is so incredibly regulated it's not funny, and ESPECIALLY in the third trimester.

b) In general, "third trimester abortions" are only done LEGALLY in cases where (in general) babby isn't going to survive out of utero--it's literally a a heartbreaking choice in most cases between giving birth to a stillborn infant (and in many cases, destroying mom's ability to "try again" if not outright killing her in the process) or having a second- or third-trimester abortion.

c) If something horrible happened during a pregnancy that would indicate a need for a third-trimester abortion at 36 weeks (and keep in mind that doctors do not hand out third-trimester abortions like candy; they require specific medical indications such as the fetus being non-viable and/or continuation of the pregnancy being a threat to the life of the mother) they will usually try to induce labour early or have a C-section if there's any indication that the pregnancy is viable.

d) There is all of ONE OB/GYN and one in training IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE US IF NOT NORTH AMERICA that have specific training and the willingness to perform third-trimester abortions, and again, restrict these to instances where babby is stillborn and/or continuing pregnancy threatens the life or health of the mother. (Yes, a 14-year-old forced to carry a large pregnancy to term could count, especially if babby has hydrocephaly or some other condition that could rule out vaginal birth or result in difficult birth.)

There used to be two doctors, but one of them got assassinated in his own church (as he was performing duties as a deacon) by the dominionist terrorist group the Army of God. Seeing as the Army of God is probably the most active domestic terrorist organisation in the US and has some rather active cells (with a long history of murder, arson, and even the occasional faux-weapons-of-mass-destruction mailing)--and attempts to actively crack down on their terrorism are cockblocked routinely by the Sinn Fein to the Army of God's IRA (namely, Operation Rescue, Operation Save America, and a number of other groups with provable ties to Army of God cell leaders)...let's just say not a whole lot of folks are willing to risk life, limb and martyrdom on a daily basis to allow safe access to late-trimester abortions in the US.

TofuTheAlmighty: pnome: When do human rights begin?

Define "human."

I prefer to go with the term "person". Just because something has human DNA doesn't make it intrinsically valuable. So I'd go with the point when they're self-aware and see themselves as a distinct individual.

Real question: what makes a newborn human more valuable than a cow or a chicken?