GreenAdder: killershark: GreenAdder: HAMMERTOE: Vanilla Ice sampled the bass line from Queen'shiat Pressure for Ice, Ice Baby.

That was totally different. Their song went "ding ding ding ding ding ding ding." And his song went "ding ding ding ding ding ding ding... dah."

That's like a completely different song.

That's actually exactly how Ice described it in an interview I remember seeing back in the day. I just thought "Um...I like Ice Ice Baby and even I know that's a bad excuse."

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BRILLIANT timing. Truly, truly impeccable. Whoever is responsible for this should have someone's foot broken off in their ass.

T.rex: The same people mad at this are the same people who get mad at Jimmy Page for pilfering 50 year old blues songs which in turn were pilfered from uncopyrighted slave chants.

Liiiiitle bit different. Those dudes take the cake when it comes to violating copyright and claiming original composition - they are the all-time kings and there's no second place. Zep copied entire tunes with lyrics, got sued multiple times and lost multiple times. Clear copyright infringement. The sheer amount of theft on their first two records is mind boggling. There's arguably more stolen stuff on the records than their own stuff. As for where the blues guys got the songs, that's immaterial if there was no copyright to violate.

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MCA seemed like a really good dude; however, I always found the Beastie Boys music extremely Jewvenille.

jaylectricity: That's when we started getting the rap guys with a beat and a couple notes from a synthesizer making up the entire beat. See: Nelly, Usher, etc

Are you really ignoring the period between 89-99? That's when most of the classics came out.

TheJoe03: jaylectricity: That's when we started getting the rap guys with a beat and a couple notes from a synthesizer making up the entire beat. See: Nelly, Usher, etc

Are you really ignoring the period between 89-99? That's when most of the classics came out.

...and I think a clear delineation of east coast vs. west coast and hip-hop vs. rap should be noted. Hip-hop music, by definition, (at least originally) incorporates a DJ who uses records to compose instrumentals. Rap is a vocal styling that was originally part of hip-hop, but can also exist without a dj, for example with a drum machine/synth, and later computer-based synths, and even samples looped without a DJ via computer-based software or stand-alone "samplers." At least that's how I see it.

Yeah, Hip hop is a culture with 4 distinct artistic elements, rapping, DJing, graffiti art, and breakdancing. What happened was that hip hop culture spread every where in the US and the world, so the culture got fragmented and more diverse.

The most moving picture I seen of MCA



I never knew until after his death he was such a devout Buddhist, and in his interviews you could definitely tell that he "entered the stream." He came across as an extremely accessible, compassionate and intelligent human who, to me, seemed to have got it. I do have a strong Buddhist streak in me, but I am such a poor practitioner, because I don't have someone to push me far enough into the stream(and I don't know how to, myself) to get caught in the current.

Anyways, after learning this about him, his death became much more bittersweet to me.

RIP Adam

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GreenAdder: Coco LaFemme: BRILLIANT timing. Truly, truly impeccable. Whoever is responsible for this should have someone's foot broken off in their ass.

If I would have known it was that kind of party...

I'm gonna stick mah dick in tha mashed potatoes!

FTFA:

The papers were filed at the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York on Thursday, just one day before Yauch, also known as MCA, plunged the music world into shock and mourning by losing his three-year battle with cancer.

Nobody knew 5/3 that MCA was dying save immediate Boys, friends and family

That said, stupid lawsuit.

rudemix: Two of the songs in the suit came from Paul's Boutique. I'm hard pressed to think of an album that contained as much sampling as PB. It has a website to help keep track of them all.

Paul's Boutique(pops)

I don't remember all the details, but Paul's Boutique was one of the last albums released before a major change in the rules as to how sampling was handled. It would never have been released if it was finished six months later.

It's a shame, as the album is a masterpiece and shows how original sampling can be when done well.

Dwight_Yeast: rudemix: Two of the songs in the suit came from Paul's Boutique. I'm hard pressed to think of an album that contained as much sampling as PB. It has a website to help keep track of them all.

Paul's Boutique(pops)

I don't remember all the details, but Paul's Boutique was one of the last albums released before a major change in the rules as to how sampling was handled. It would never have been released if it was finished six months later.

It's a shame, as the album is a masterpiece and shows how original sampling can be when done well.

That's right I'm the Eggman.

killershark That's actually exactly how Ice described it in an interview I remember seeing back in the day. I just thought "Um...I like Ice Ice Baby and even I know that's a bad excuse."

far more lolz in the "Wild Cherry" case-i mean, WTF?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_That_Funky_Music#Vanilla_Ice_versio n

JohnBigBootay: The sheer amount of theft on their first two records is mind boggling. There's arguably more stolen stuff on the records than their own stuff

Sorry to hijack the thread for more "Zeppelin stole things!" stuff but...

Good Times Bad Times - original song
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You - credit theft, corrected on later editions of the CD's
You Shook Me - properly credited
Dazed and Confused - credit theft
Your Time Is Gonna Come - original song
Black Mountain Side - credit theft
Communication Breakdown - original song
I Can't Quit You Baby - properly credited
How Many More Times - mostly lyrics that were uncredited, the killer riffs are Page's

Whole Lotta Love - lyrics only, THAT riff is all Page
What Is and What Should Never Be - original song
The Lemon Song - credit theft, mostly lyrics (again), later rectified
Thank You - original song
Heartbreaker - original song
Living Loving Maid (She's Just a Woman) - original song
Ramble On - original song (one of my fave Zep songs)
Moby Dick - credit theft, don't know if this was rectified
Bring It On Home - the dumbest example of credit theft, though the best part of the song, the rock bit in the middle, is all Page

So, out of 18 songs, 8 were credit theft and some of those were for the lyrics only. Not exactly "mind boggling".

Mixolydian Master: The most moving picture I seen of MCA



I never knew until after his death he was such a devout Buddhist, and in his interviews you could definitely tell that he "entered the stream." He came across as an extremely accessible, compassionate and intelligent human who, to me, seemed to have got it. I do have a strong Buddhist streak in me, but I am such a poor practitioner, because I don't have someone to push me far enough into the stream(and I don't know how to, myself) to get caught in the current.

Anyways, after learning this about him, his death became much more bittersweet to me.

RIP Adam

If he's right, he's already back. Bodhisattva vows and all that. Do I know for sure that he took them? It would be unusual for a layperson, but maybe he was more than that. I don't know.

/nobody knows

Henry Holland: JohnBigBootay: The sheer amount of theft on their first two records is mind boggling. There's arguably more stolen stuff on the records than their own stuff

Sorry to hijack the thread for more "Zeppelin stole things!" stuff but...

Good Times Bad Times - original song
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You - credit theft, corrected on later editions of the CD's
You Shook Me - properly credited
Dazed and Confused - credit theft
Your Time Is Gonna Come - original song
Black Mountain Side - credit theft
Communication Breakdown - original song
I Can't Quit You Baby - properly credited
How Many More Times - mostly lyrics that were uncredited, the killer riffs are Page's

Whole Lotta Love - lyrics only, THAT riff is all Page
What Is and What Should Never Be - original song
The Lemon Song - credit theft, mostly lyrics (again), later rectified
Thank You - original song
Heartbreaker - original song
Living Loving Maid (She's Just a Woman) - original song
Ramble On - original song (one of my fave Zep songs)
Moby Dick - credit theft, don't know if this was rectified
Bring It On Home - the dumbest example of credit theft, though the best part of the song, the rock bit in the middle, is all Page

So, out of 18 songs, 8 were credit theft and some of those were for the lyrics only. Not exactly "mind boggling".

You forgot the intro to Stairway

Snapper Carr You forgot the intro to Stairway

I'm unsure about Ritchie Valens & "Boogie With Stu" Link

TheMysticS: Mixolydian Master: The most moving picture I seen of MCA



I never knew until after his death he was such a devout Buddhist, and in his interviews you could definitely tell that he "entered the stream." He came across as an extremely accessible, compassionate and intelligent human who, to me, seemed to have got it. I do have a strong Buddhist streak in me, but I am such a poor practitioner, because I don't have someone to push me far enough into the stream(and I don't know how to, myself) to get caught in the current.

Anyways, after learning this about him, his death became much more bittersweet to me.

RIP Adam

If he's right, he's already back. Bodhisattva vows and all that. Do I know for sure that he took them? It would be unusual for a layperson, but maybe he was more than that. I don't know.

/nobody knows

I'm not sure if you're referencing the song on person, but in the event you are not, he has a song called Bodhisattva Vow on Ill Communication. I haven't heard it in probably 10 years; so I don't recall exactly what it's about.

NorCalLos: TheMysticS: Mixolydian Master: The most moving picture I seen of MCA



I never knew until after his death he was such a devout Buddhist, and in his interviews you could definitely tell that he "entered the stream." He came across as an extremely accessible, compassionate and intelligent human who, to me, seemed to have got it. I do have a strong Buddhist streak in me, but I am such a poor practitioner, because I don't have someone to push me far enough into the stream(and I don't know how to, myself) to get caught in the current.

Anyways, after learning this about him, his death became much more bittersweet to me.

RIP Adam

If he's right, he's already back. Bodhisattva vows and all that. Do I know for sure that he took them? It would be unusual for a layperson, but maybe he was more than that. I don't know.

/nobody knows

I'm not sure if you're referencing the song on person, but in the event you are not, he has a song called Bodhisattva Vow on Ill Communication. I haven't heard it in probably 10 years; so I don't recall exactly what it's about.

Yeah, I didn't want to imply that I knew for sure that the song was a confirmation of his intentions for the afterlife.

I call Beasties (and some others) my Buddah music.

And go put on Ill Communication. Ten years is too long, man!

killershark: GreenAdder: HAMMERTOE: Vanilla Ice sampled the bass line from Queen'shiat Pressure for Ice, Ice Baby.

That was totally different. Their song went "ding ding ding ding ding ding ding." And his song went "ding ding ding ding ding ding ding... dah."

That's like a completely different song.

That's actually exactly how Ice described it in an interview I remember seeing back in the day. I just thought "Um...I like Ice Ice Baby and even I know that's a bad excuse."

Yep! I saw that on MTV way back in the day.

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FirstNationalBastard: Wow, this case is so important, the scumbag record label waited over 20 years to sue!

I thought the same thing. Reminds me of when in the early 90's, some idiot tried to sue ZZ Top, claiming that they stole La Grange from him.

Phantom_Spaceman: I'm not sure about 'most', and far too lazy to do my own research, but the word on the street back when it was released claimed that DJ Shadow's Endtroducing was made from over 10,000 samples.


/pretty sure the whole album contained nothing but samples.

"Since I Left You" by The Avalanches has over 3500 Link

downstairs: forever ago when sampling was declared fair use.

What the...? That never happened.

jaylectricity: That's when we started getting the rap guys with a beat and a couple notes from a synthesizer making up the entire beat.

Your homework is to go back and listen to LL Cool J's "Radio" album on repeat until all the wrongness has been pushed out of your head.

theflatline: I would say that almost half were stolen, so that is pretty mind boggling. And I love Zep.

For every Dazed and Confused which was straight-up copyright theft, there's Whole Lotta Love, which was Plant using some lyrics without credit but people think they stole the whole thing.

You forgot the intro to Stairway

And you didn't read the person I was responding to, who said "the first two albums".

And what about Traveling Riverside Blues? They used a grand total of four lines from Robert Johnson's song, but the riffs are pure Zep yet Johnson gets credit. Most people think "They stole the song! Damn that Zeppelin again!" when the song Zeppelin did has nothing to do musically with what Robert Johnson recorded.

TheMysticS: NorCalLos: TheMysticS: Mixolydian Master: The most moving picture I seen of MCA

I'm not sure if you're referencing the song on person, but in the event you are not, he has a song called Bodhisattva Vow on Ill Communication. I haven't heard it in probably 10 years; so I don't recall exactly what it's about.

Yeah, I didn't want to imply that I knew for sure that the song was a confirmation of his intentions for the afterlife.

I call Beasties (and some others) my Buddah music.

And go put on Ill Communication. Ten years is too long, man!

Ya...the problem is that I no longer own it. Somehow my music disappears as I move, buy new cars, date different women, etc. It doesn't help that I like to take music with me everywhere, so it inevitably would get lost/borrrowed/etc. back before MP3 players. I still buy quite a few CD's and LP's. Ill Communication is actually my favorite Beasties album, primarily because I think they peaked as far as their instrumental jams go on that album, their rhyming was (arguably) as good as ever, their use of samples was badass (Flute Loop, Sure Shot)--though it was obviously not as sample-heavy as Paul's Boutique--and the punk-ish songs were as good as any they ever wrote in my opinion. I also think the production was better than Check Your Head, though maybe not as quickly recognizable. Basically, they were as good or better at everything they do on that album.

Now, some will undoubtedly argue that the use of samples and group-approach to rhyming were both better on Paul's Boutique--and they would probably be correct--but in my opinion those are not so much better on that album that they make up for the total absence of instrumentals and hardcore/punk songs--unless of course you don't appreciate those offerings from the boys.

/long-winded

NorCalLos: TheMysticS: NorCalLos: TheMysticS: Mixolydian Master: The most moving picture I seen of MCA

I'm not sure if you're referencing the song on person, but in the event you are not, he has a song called Bodhisattva Vow on Ill Communication. I haven't heard it in probably 10 years; so I don't recall exactly what it's about.

Yeah, I didn't want to imply that I knew for sure that the song was a confirmation of his intentions for the afterlife.

I call Beasties (and some others) my Buddah music.

And go put on Ill Communication. Ten years is too long, man!

Ya...the problem is that I no longer own it. Somehow my music disappears as I move, buy new cars, date different women, etc. It doesn't help that I like to take music with me everywhere, so it inevitably would get lost/borrrowed/etc. back before MP3 players. I still buy quite a few CD's and LP's. Ill Communication is actually my favorite Beasties album, primarily because I think they peaked as far as their instrumental jams go on that album, their rhyming was (arguably) as good as ever, their use of samples was badass (Flute Loop, Sure Shot)--though it was obviously not as sample-heavy as Paul's Boutique--and the punk-ish songs were as good as any they ever wrote in my opinion. I also think the production was better than Check Your Head, though maybe not as quickly recognizable. Basically, they were as good or better at everything they do on that album.

Now, some will undoubtedly argue that the use of samples and group-approach to rhyming were both better on Paul's Boutique--and they would probably be correct--but in my opinion those are not so much better on that album that they make up for the total absence of instrumentals and hardcore/punk songs--unless of course you don't appreciate those offerings from the boys.

/long-winded

Nah, you said lots of things I was thinking. I agree with your opinion on Ill Communication. They really showed what they could do.
I loved everything they did, still do.
Whether MCA's reborn again, resides in heaven, or just went back to being star-stuff, his earthly legacy of peace, kindness, and music will be with us forever.
Gawd speed, MCA.