Guess because they couldn't get the bullshiat greened yesterday, they're gonna try again today.

Conservatives? What do you think it says about your ideology when all you have are lies to support it? Do you think you are good and decent people? Say... The kind of person you'd let your kids hang out with?

EnviroDude: Considering he mulled the decision to pull the trigger for 10 months so he could "get it right", this is not a shock.

Captain Obama - avenger at large!

Except, no he didn't.

I'm sorry your candidate sucks.

/not really sorry.

WTFDYW: WHAT THE FARK AMY I READING? jpg anyone?

The same bullsh*t they've been trying to get greened since at least Friday.

Meanwhile, Subby faps in a dark closet using only his tears and snot as lube...

/hey, just like the dumbass who keeps submitting deadmoran.com links!

jbc: Did EnviroDud, best known around here for giving aid and comfort to al Qaeda, just admit in this thread that Obama was able to "get it right"?

Apparently he takes issue with the SEALs' training methods, though. Maybe he can tell one of them directly that ten months is too long.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same f*cking link is in the queue again, too

Aw hell no. I'm on my way to downvote.

EnviroDude: Considering he mulled the decision to pull the trigger for 10 months so he could "get it right", this is not a shock.

Considering Bush spent 8 years getting it wrong, I think ten months is pretty damn great.

I tried to get the Daily Caller commenters to explain it, but maybe one of our resident Republicans can:

Exactly how does "Bring additional risks to the President for consideration" absolve the President of responsibility and

Exactly why would you want President Obama in direct operational control of the mission rather than a military commander?

WhoIsWillo: The My Little Pony Killer: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same f*cking link is in the queue again, too

Aw hell no. I'm on my way to downvote.

That was me. I figure if they are going to keep on submitting it, we should have a headline that has a loose connection to reality out there somewhere.

And it's not even loosely connected to reality. So, you know, great farking job, that...

Man, it really hurts the Republicans deep down in their soul to know that Osama was killed under a Dems watch. I actually didn't think they would downplay the death of the man that ordered the attack on 9/11. I guess they forgot.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: GWLush: Man, it really hurts the Republicans deep down in their soul to know that Osama was killed under a Dems watch. I actually didn't think they would downplay the death of the man that ordered the attack on 9/11. I guess they forgot.

I think they're pissed because someone sank their bogeyman

/and they can't use his still being alive as a "failed Obama promise"

Or that Obama is soft on defense and military action. That dog just won't hunt.

WhoIsWillo: The My Little Pony Killer: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same f*cking link is in the queue again, too

Aw hell no. I'm on my way to downvote.

That was me. I figure if they are going to keep on submitting it, we should have a headline that has a loose connection to reality out there somewhere.

I think we need to go ahead and have you re-calibrated.

I think I found a loophole in the Daily Caller commenting system: they can delete original comments but they can't delete replies to comments!

I'm having fun over there.

Jackson Herring: You would, and I do not use this word lightly, LITERALLY have to be retarded to get this headline from that memo.

Read the comments section on the article, you'll understand you're right.

kbronsito: Assuming this is true...

And it's not...

RexTalionis: I don't see how you can really interpret that as "setting up a fall guy." The President, though he is the Commander in Chief, is not trained in setting up military raids and would naturally delegate the operational details to a militaryman. This is how every non-military President has done it since time immemorial. It's not as if Lincoln personally plotted out the logistics of Sherman's March across Georgia.

You know, I asked this over in the comments in TFA but I haven't got a response yet. It's almost as if they're willing to believe anything they're told without thinking critically about what it means.

This is what we have to look forward to isn't it? Republicans trying to downplay Obama accomplishments. Even the one where he had Osama Bin Laden killed. Osama Bin Laden, the guy who planned and carried out the attacks on 9/11. Republicans are no longer allowed to call themselves Patriots. It is abundantly clear that they have put party way before country.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Holding onto that much anger and frustration is really bad for your health, subby

/just take a deep breath and let it go
//because no one else cares

The GOP mantra "If we believe it, it's true.". And if they don't "farking liberal media".

/Just another Independent who wishes the GOP weren't so full of shiat.

Fox News has gotten so predictable that they've become one of Obama's greatest propaganda arms through their incompetence. Thanks again Hannity.....you're not helping.

Whatever. Nixon had the same thing prepped in case the moon landing went tits up.

This obviously proves that Usama bin Laden isn't really dead, and therefore Usama bin Laden is automatically the president and Obama is demoted to chimney sweep.

Killing Osama sure put a lot of people back to work in a completely recovered economy.

Keep crowing, libs.

Was it Lee Majors? The Unknown Stuntman?

Obama was the one who pulled the trigger now?? Is there no end to the demo's turning him into a hero?

What, it would have been better had there been no backup plan at all?

Gotta love how people twist stuff.

I see that those who harbor the conservative disease are milking The Big Lie for all it is worth.

Headline is blatantly a lie. A Republican troll. Did you read the memo?

Obviously not.

So when is Former U.S. Attorney Michael Mukasey going to be arrested for revealing Top Secret information?

Why did they copy the memo with the article when it just shows that they are grasping at straws? I was thinking about going along for the ride until I read what was actually written.

Tigger

If Bush hadn't given up on Bin Laden and he'd actually have been shot on his watch then he would appear on the news wearing two New York Fire Department helmets at the same time in front of a banner of an eagle that shiats bacon onto terrorists while drinking champagne from Bin Laden's hollowed out skull.

yep, this.

And you would have said something like "This is how we deal with terrorists in Texas..well maybe in other states too, and then we taxidermy the skulls and hang 'em. He will look mighty fine in the den. Sorry I had to kill you old buddy. I mean USA USA"


/I even derped it a bit. that sh*t is contagious.

you = he.

what. the. f*ck.

Why do Republicans love Osama Bin Laden?

Still?

By the way, they tell us Obama is completely responsible for the operation by "setting up a fall guy if it failed." If they want this victory to go away, they really need to stop saying Obama was in charge while trying to say he had nothing to do with it.

"One definition of a great leader," Mukasey added later in the interview, "is somebody who takes less credit than he should and takes more blame than he should. And that's not what we've got now."

Does this accurately describe ANY POTUS since roughly around Kennedy's time?

The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration.

Pretty responsible of Obama.

I'd sure as hell call back the mission if I found out the SEAL Team waded into a house full of kids who would have been in a cross-fire...

Guys... if you fall for this stupid "take your enemies greatest strength"(Obama's decision to let the Navy do its thing) "and make it a weakness ploy". You are a farking stupid piece of shiat who lets asshole republicans get elected to office because they had a campaign to muddy up the water just enough to get you not to vote. Its just a dumb farking tactic that republicans perfected in the late 80's, which Karl Rove absolutely loved so much that he taught it to all his goons. I cant believe people fall for this shiat.

EnviroDude: Considering he mulled the decision to pull the trigger for 10 months so he could "get it right", this is not a shock.

Captain Obama - avenger at large!


Tell the truth, are you just a bit of code like an Obama-Hate-Bot?

I mean, you are never more than a few posts in and spewing the same old jibber jabber. Is this really fun for you?

Dusk-You-n-Me: Big Man On Campus: Obama was the one who pulled the trigger now??

Osama was the one flying the plane?

The right has nothing.

And Hitler killed all the Jews, right?

Yep ... the right has absolutely NOTHING in this fight ... it's truly hilarious watching someone suffocate under their own shiat.

Here's the memo:

"Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am."



First, how is this setting up McRaven as the fall guy? Seems like more a straight go ahead, with an (obvious) note that if anything changes before it happens, tell the big guy. Also, that's a "a highly lawyered memo'? Really? It's farking handwritten, for fark's sake. Looks like more of a note of a phone call than a "memo", anyways.

Anyone have any idea what percentage of morons in the USA watch FOX News and buy all their BS? I live sorta close to Cincinnati/Indiana/Dayton and all the hillbilly fools around here watch it 24/7 and take it as gospel.

Please tell me the rest of the country isn't this stupid.

SilentStrider: AverageAmericanGuy: Killing Osama sure put a lot of people back to work in a completely recovered economy.

Keep crowing, libs.

Your post reeks of threadshiat and fail.

Reality sometimes reminds libs of that. It's why they are pollyanna libs and not hard truth facing conservative.

jbc: Did EnviroDud, best known around here for giving aid and comfort to al Qaeda, just admit in this thread that Obama was able to "get it right"?

Weird right? Must be off his meds.

This is classic attack someone's strength politicking, the right wing will be attacking Obama on the Bin Laden killing for the next few months. Notice the attorney shill use verbiage similar to the Obama grandstanding rhetoric from that started the other week.

This just shows that Obama ain't no dummy.
Nothing to see here, move along .

EnviroDude: Considering he mulled the decision to pull the trigger for 10 months so he could "get it right", this is not a shock.

Captain Obama - avenger at large!

You think Romney is better?!?!?!?

In 2007, Romney criticized (candidate) Barack Obama for stating that, as President, he would launch military strikes against "high-value terrorist targets" in Pakistan, even without the Pakistani government's approval. In 2011, after such a strike resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden, Romney said that, if he had been President, he would have done "exactly the same thing."

Am I the only one that watched the video? Unless I misheard, the memo stated that if you did anything other than the plan, you need to check with us first or take the blame. I don't see this as any different than the quarterback changing the game plan that was discussed with the coach and failing because of it.

Did Carter have a memo? It would make him retroactively president from 1981-1985.

cameroncrazy1984: Jackson Herring: You would, and I do not use this word lightly, LITERALLY have to be retarded to get this headline from that memo.

Read the comments section on the article, you'll understand you're right.

Those are some of the very finest derp I have ever read. The ferocity with which they hate Obama is as terrifying as it is hilarious.

Most of us hated Bush when he was president, but the Tea Baggers just take it to a whole new level.

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Whatever. Nixon had the same thing prepped in case the moon landing went tits up.

Just because all previous presidents were experts in CYA doesn't mean Obama is the same as other politicians.
After spending months using his decider skills to plan this op, he never needed to plan for it going tits up. Because it wouldn't.

lordmoon: Am I the only one that watched the video? Unless I misheard, the memo stated that if you did anything other than the plan, you need to check with us first or take the blame. I don't see this as any different than the quarterback changing the game plan that was discussed with the coach and failing because of it.

It doesn't say "or you take the blame". It says "if anything changes, tell the President, period". Of course, this is obvious.

That was awfully white of him.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Osama was the one flying the plane?

The right has nothing.

It wasn't Osama...


/legal aliens mind you.

GWLush: It is abundantly clear that they have put party way before country.

Republicanism is a religion.

AverageAmericanGuy: blah blah blah Killing Osama yap yap yap completely recovered economy derp derp

I laugh every time I see you in here, because I know how much it's going to kill you when Obama gets another four years where he doesn't have to worry about re-election. You think you're angry now? L O f#cking L.

The right is trying to do all they can to paint Obama as weak of defense, which means not allowing him any credit for any military matters over the last 3 years.

Everything has to be due to someone else, and never the president. It seems to be failing with all but the most fanatical righties though.

JerseyTim: "Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am."

Let me translate for the idiots out there:
"Tom Donilon called. The President said do the raid. Admiral McRaven is in charge of the raid. The President said OK based on what he was told. If anything changes, let him know. The plain is to get bin Laden. If he's not there, we're leaving. We told Admiral McRaven at 10:45 am."

"Also told McRaven it's his turn to bring the donuts."

I hear he leaves the seat up.

Geotpf: Here's the memo:

"Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am."

First, how is this setting up McRaven as the fall guy? Seems like more a straight go ahead, with an (obvious) note that if anything changes before it happens, tell the big guy. Also, that's a "a highly lawyered memo'? Really? It's farking handwritten, for fark's sake. Looks like more of a note of a phone call than a "memo", anyways.

Agree 100%. No laying blame or anything of the sort there. Republitards strike again.

Barricaded Gunman: AverageAmericanGuy: blah blah blah Killing Osama yap yap yap completely recovered economy derp derp

I laugh every time I see you in here, because I know how much it's going to kill you when Obama gets another four years where he doesn't have to worry about re-election. You think you're angry now? L O f#cking L.

Won't be too bad. I voted for him the first time around.

It's as much my fault as anyone else's that he's President today.

SH: Anyone have any idea what percentage of morons in the USA watch FOX News and buy all their BS? I live sorta close to Cincinnati/Indiana/Dayton and all the hillbilly fools around here watch it 24/7 and take it as gospel.

Please tell me the rest of the country isn't this stupid.

There are a lot of Republican true believers out there, all over the country, and, yes, they all watch Fox News. But beyond the true believers, I don't think Fox News et al matters. I really think that very few swing voters ever vote Republican these days-I think such people usually swing between not voting (or voting third party, which amounts to the same thing) and the Democrats. So, for example, in 2010, turnout sucked, so the Republicans won, as those "swing voters" decided to not bother to vote.

Turnout in 2012 is guaranteed to be better than in 2010 (which was only a midterm, of course). Will it be as good as 2016? Probably not, although it might be close. Will it be enough to re-elect Obama? Of course. Will be enough for the Democrats to hold on to the Senate and retake the House? Dunno-that's the question.

I'd like to thank most of you for restoring my faith that there are people out there not wearing themselves as a hat.

EnviroDude: Considering he mulled the decision to pull the trigger for 10 months so he could "get it right", this is not a shock.

Captain Obama - avenger at large!

Clearly, he should have just barge in without planning anything, or weighing the consequences, or thinking of a way out if things went to shiat...


Y'know, the Republican way.

No surprise.

he is Hype and Blame and needed to blame someone if this didn't work. and if it did, he breaks out his favorite word "I" and uses it as much as he can.

obamorons, your dear leader is a narcissist. All his life obama has been told he's special, perfect and whatever bad that happens is someone else's fault. He's very good at covering up to make himself look good. Get ready for the mother of all temper tantrums in Nov when America does the right thing and elects Romney. Time for the adults to fix our great Country.

Asked by Hannity if the memo "was designed to protect the president politically," Mukasey suggested that "there's going to be more that comes tumbling out about that escapade. But so far, that memo is enough."

Why is this supposed to upset me?

"And it was to proceed according to the risks, only according to the risks that had been outlined to the president. And if he encountered anything else, he had to check back..."


So he had to check back if they encountered anything that hadn't been briefed - they didn't just give him free reign to shoot from the hip?

ThisIsAnOutrage.jpg/

I, for one, blame Bush.

-1 for poor penmanship

/ article is bullshiat

Launch Code: Get ready for the mother of all temper tantrums in Nov when America does the right thing and elects Romney.

Let's not be completely ridiculous.

Obama may be a terrible president and person, but he's not going to lose to Romney in November.

Launch Code: obamorons, your dear leader is a narcissist. All his life obama has been told he's special, perfect and whatever bad that happens is someone else's fault. He's very good at covering up to make himself look good. Get ready for the mother of all temper tantrums in Nov when America does the right thing and elects Romney. Time for the adults to fix our great Country.

You almost make some sense and the bold bit is probably true but isn't it true of any politician at that level?

/not biting on the rest of the obvious trolling in this post

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I hear he leaves the seat up.

Even worse, that commie loads the toilet paper rolls underhanded.

Yah, seems like "cover your ass" would be normal operating procedure for politicians. None story.

Launch Code: obamorons, your dear leader is a narcissist. All his life obama has been told he's special, perfect and whatever bad that happens is someone else's fault. He's very good at covering up to make himself look good. Get ready for the mother of all temper tantrums in Nov when America does the right thing and elects Romney. Time for the adults to fix our great Country.

Can't tell if trolling...

SilentStrider: He's not big on feng shui.

Feng shui: "Don't shiat where you eat."

Basically.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Holding onto that much anger and frustration is really bad for your health, subby

/just take a deep breath and let it go
//because no one else cares

Yeah, he's only the President, in an election year. Let it go.

When is a stupid thread about what ifs in an authorization memo for a successful op news?


Nevermore.

It's been a very Poe kind of day.

He got lots of bites today, so I decided to do this:

FTFA: "One definition of a great leader," Mukasey added later in the interview, "is somebody who takes less credit than he should and takes more blame than he should. And that's not what we've got now."

Explain to me how e-farking-zactly you do that in this political atmosphere.

Surool: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: I hear he leaves the seat up.

Even worse, that commie loads the toilet paper rolls underhanded.

The War on Women continues...

tenpoundsofcheese: Hype and Blame

Tripe.
Lame.

Funny you're taking you're talking points from an actual bumper sticker.
But not surprising.

There are alot of things to be pissed off at Obama about. This, or anything related to the OBL killing certainly arent one of them. Why is it so hard for the GOP to admit this? Can't someone be a staunch republican and still say "Hey, you know what, I don't like him, but he got this right."?

FTA:"And you better believe that if anything else had been encountered and the mission had failed, then the blame would have fallen on McCraven. That's what that's about."

Well I'm convinced. If I wasn't before, the idle speculation of a man on the outside of it using his gift of prescience to see the future has convinced me.

NeoCortex42: I agree that Fox News is probably not paid much attention by swing voters, but I still think it is very destructive. The Fox News faithful that watch it religiously believe every single narrative they air. It makes it impossible to have any sort of rational political discussion with the hardline conservatives I know. I don't mind someone not agreeing with me politically, so long as they work their opinion off of actual facts.

The e-mail forwards from extended family have been particularly numerous this year. Thank goodness for Snopes.

That's sort of my point. If everything somebody says is completely retarded, you tune them out completely, like you are doing from your family, so they have no influence with the mushy middle.

I keep praising Karl Rove lately (ewwww), because he knows this shiat is not how you win elections. You say five rational things and then stretch the truth on the sixth; you don't say six stupid things and expect anybody to listen to you. This is also not how he would play the "attack your opponent on his strength" game-you do it by attacking him on something tangentially related to his strength, not remind everybody of the actual strong thing. For example, a Rovian tactic here would attack Obama for not being tought enough on Iran, or attack him for proposing cuts to the military-not remind everybody that he ordered Bin Laden killed.

If Fox News was merely biased, but mostly sane, they would have more influence amoungst swing voters than being herpyderpydoo all the time. Right now, everybody knows they are the GOP's propganda arm and so everybody ignores them.

Poor, poor GOP.

They got nuthin.

If anything unexpected happens check back with me = Don't blame me if it goes bad.... somehow. Not even a half-assed try fox.

Sir Robin, is that you?

"Hooray!!!"

"Obama killed Bin-Laden!!!"

"That's right..."

"...and I did it for you kids!!!"

"but, but, but..."

Somacandra: bim1154: [i106.photobucket.com image 640x422]

Words cannot express how much awesome this shop has.

Who's that between Spawn and Catwoman?

what_now: Dear Conservatives,

We forgot that Osama Bin Laden was executed without a single loss of an innocent life under President Obama.

Thanks for the reminder.

Love,

The American Public.

Or a trial or with a care about national sovereignty

but it does send the message we will spend trillions to hunt you down for justice

You always line up your alibi's before a hit.
Thats the Chicago way!

/Bush gets credit if its good.
//Obama gets blame if its bad.
///Thats the Repub's way.

I, for one, would like to heartily encourage Republicans to keep reminding America that Osama Bin Laden was killed under Commander-In-Chief Obama's watch.

Nana's Vibrator: SH: Anyone have any idea what percentage of morons in the USA watch FOX News and buy all their BS? I live sorta close to Cincinnati/Indiana/Dayton and all the hillbilly fools around here watch it 24/7 and take it as gospel.

Please tell me the rest of the country isn't this stupid.

In Massachusetts, one of the liberal capitals of the US, there is a Republican groundfire burning - the same one that got Scott Brown elected to take Ted Kennedy's seat. Quite a few of my friends watch Fox News and get all fired up when O'Reilly or Hannity or Beck go on a tirade. It makes sense due to the local government chaos and corruption, but if you want to be surprised at how stupid some people can be in Massachusetts, read the comments after a Howie Carr article at BostonHerald.com

Scott Brown is an actual moderate, or at least as close to one as a Republican can get these days. Plus, Coakley was a horrible candidate.

Now, he might win re-election because incumbency is a powerful thing. Looks like that stupid Indian crap is causing problems for Warren; dumb scandals like that are sometimes enough to tip the scales, especially with an incumbent.

What a Fall Guy (and his kick ass truck) might look like.

EnviroDude: Considering he mulled the decision to pull the trigger for 10 months so he could "get it right", this is not a shock.

Captain Obama - avenger at large!

Your miserable cockbag of a president was too busy strutting on aircraft carriers and massaging meaty German women to be bothered with pursuing the mass murderer who organized 9/11.

timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Dems had two cracks at him

After 9/11?

And the first time they attacked Clinton for "Wagging the Dog" away from the Lewinsky scandal.

roddack: what_now: Dear Conservatives,

We forgot that Osama Bin Laden was executed without a single loss of an innocent life under President Obama.

Thanks for the reminder.

Love,

The American Public.

Or a trial or with a care about national sovereignty

There was going to be a trial for OBL but the court system was overbooked what with all those trials for the Iraqis killed and detained, ya know.

If Obama walked into a Fark party how many hand jobs would he be offered? I really think you guys have an unhealthy obsession with this dude. He's a politician, not your boyfriend you don't have to defend his every move.

/BTW sorry Obama got ripped, pissed on your couch and threw up in your bed.

This is the shiat that makes it hard to be a RWNJ. I consider myself pretty right leaning, and did not vote for Obama, based solely on a few issues that are important to me, but the GOP focusing so much on religion and tearing into the Dems on issues that shouldn't be up for debate sure does make it hard.
I mean in reality, even I have to admit, that during the current administration, my life really has not changed for the worse. Sure maybe I lost a few tax benefits, but really, nothing, As of this moment, I can still cling to my guns, I still get a paycheck from my job, and he was at the helm when OBL was killed, and has not been a huge sack of Tripel Cre'me on foreign policy, so really nothing has changed for me and my family. I think things would possibly have turned out much worse if Rahm Emanuel had stayed as the right hand man, but that didn't happen, and so we have had a pretty uneventful (in the good sense) presidency.

The GOP just seems to be acting like the Troll at the bridge crossing playing guess what number I am thinking of and you can cross, all the while they are thinking of "Potato". Really makes it hard to be associated in the current climate.

And Ike had a backup memo in case D-Day failed.



And Nixon had a backup memo in case Apollo 11 failed.



Jesus H. Christ you rightards! You'd attack Obama even if someone's toast got burnt! Just accept the fact that all of your candidates are sociopaths and losers, give up on trying to retake the White House, and BUGGER OFF!

Why are you Republicans so butthurt that Osama is dead? You set him up as the world's most evil super villain from 2001-2008. Shouldn't you be happy that somebody took him out after Bush publicly stated that he was no longer concerned about Bin Laden's whereabouts?

We got him dudes... on to the next threat finally.

Oh no, I hope the right stops bringing up the fact that President Obama killed bin Laden.

henryhill: There are alot of things to be pissed off at Obama about. This, or anything related to the OBL killing certainly arent one of them. Why is it so hard for the GOP to admit this? Can't someone be a staunch republican and still say "Hey, you know what, I don't like him, but he got this right."?

Heretic you must burnnnnnnnnnnn

pedobearapproved: If Obama walked into a Fark party how many hand jobs would he be offered? I really think you guys have an unhealthy obsession with this dude. He's a politician, not your boyfriend you don't have to defend his every move.

/BTW sorry Obama got ripped, pissed on your couch and threw up in your bed.

...says the guy who's login links him with pedophiles. Yeah, you are to be taken seriously.

Persnickety: roddack: what_now: Dear Conservatives,

We forgot that Osama Bin Laden was executed without a single loss of an innocent life under President Obama.

Thanks for the reminder.

Love,

The American Public.

Or a trial or with a care about national sovereignty

There was going to be a trial for OBL but the court system was overbooked what with all those trials for the Iraqis killed and detained, ya know.

Quit making my bad attempt at trolling look stupid

Republicans love to create alternate realities in their mind to be furious over what obama did in this fantasy land because what actually happened in reality just doesn't fit their agenda.

Look, I don't care much for Obama. I didn't vote for the man, won't vote for him in the upcoming election and feel (for a wide variety of reasons) that's he's not a good president, isn't competent for the job and whose decisions have actively hurt the United States. He seems like a nice man who's in way over his head at a time when the country can't afford a fumbling novice at the wheel.

All that being said, for all the reasons I don't care for Obama as president, making the call to go get Bin Laden isn't one of them. Unlike a great many people, I am and always will be an American before I'm anything else politically. On Osama's orders and according to his plan, Al Qaeda attacked the United States and killed thousands of people. For that he got a death warrant slapped on his head and rightfully so. When his location was finally discovered he needed to have his ticket punched and Obama gave the order to do just that. The memo is, obviously, an attempt at a little CYA should things go south but that's to be expected and, had things gone down sideways, does anyone believe that memo would have insulated Obama from the political fallout? Of course not.

Fact is: Osama was found hiding within spitting distance of a supposed ally's version of West Point. The inference is that they had to know he was there. Given that hairy bit of info, you have to give the commander in chief credit for saying "fark it and fark them...go get the bastard anyway". It's one of the few things the man has done that I can actually applaud. It doesn't outweigh the damage he's done to the country otherwise (like not knowing the difference between "division" and "multiplication" when it came to his boasts about what he'd do to the deficit) but I cannot find fault with this particular decision. His decision was, in effect, an overt act of war against Pakistan and he damn well knew it...and went ahead anyway. He also had to know just how badly it would backfire if he declined to go and it later was proven they had Osama, knew where he was and let him walk. No way in hell could Obama have survived THAT level of fark-up politically...so, to me, it wasn't even really a decision. He pretty much had no choice.

This memo is much ado about nothing and all it demonstrates is the administration's desire to not have another Jimmy Carter/Iran hostage rescue fark-up Part 2. Big hairy deal. For all the ways to evaluate Obama and be critical of his job performance, this isn't a subject that'll be worth much traction.

haha stupid libs Obama knew he was going to fark the mission up so he set up a fall guy but the patriotic troops pulled one over on the socialist and actually succeeded killing Obama's dirty muslim brother Osama SUCK IT LIBS

falcon176: haha stupid libs Obama knew he was going to fark the mission up so he set up a fall guy but the patriotic troops pulled one over on the socialist and actually succeeded killing Obama's dirty muslim brother Osama SUCK IT LIBS

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Put a little effort into it will you?

Keep bringing up how Obama fulfilled his campaign promise to bring Bin Laden to justice, even if it meant going into Pakistan.

Really, it'll eventually help you guys out. The American people are SO close to turning on him over this, just keep hammering away.

The writer of that article seems concerned.

As do most of the herpa-derpa-tastic commenters. Manufactured outrage over an event that not only did not occur, but in fact the opposite of said fantasy event occurred. Now THAT's delusion.

Ricardo Klement: As a conservative, I am ashamed that this got greened.

/Who knew that all Carter needed was a memo?

You are the only real conservative on Fark. I favorite'd you a long time ago as "rational republican" :)

RexTalionis: "The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President."

I don't see how you can really interpret that as "setting up a fall guy." The President, though he is the Commander in Chief, is not trained in setting up military raids and would naturally delegate the operational details to a militaryman. This is how every non-military President has done it since time immemorial. It's not as if Lincoln personally plotted out the logistics of Sherman's March across Georgia.

My thoughts exactly. I mean, THIS is "evidence"? God this is ALL they can farking come up with, i guess...

craig328: It doesn't outweigh the damage he's done to the country otherwise (like not knowing the difference between "division" and "multiplication" when it came to his boasts about what he'd do to the deficit) but I cannot find fault with this particular decision.

Just curious if you had the same issue with the GOP inability to differentiate between "supplemental appropriations" and "budgetary appropriations?" Particularly with their obvious confusion about which bucket they should use to fund really expensive luxuries like a full scale invasion of Iraq?

Or do you just not like the fact that Obama the Accountant organized the books so even the slow amongst us could get a better picture of the actual financial state of the nation?

FTA:
"Former U.S. Attorney Michael Mukasey told Fox News...."

Aaaaaand we're done here.

/who will they quote next, Alex Jones?

And how exactly is this unique to President Obama?

Seriously, if you think that President Bush did not have a fall guy for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq then I have a bridge and a waterfall I would like to sell you.

Mock26: And how exactly is this unique to President Obama?

Seriously, if you think that President Bush did not have a fall guy for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq then I have a bridge and a waterfall I would like to sell you.

Bush's fall guy is Obama. Who do you think is getting blamed for the hundreds of billions spent achieving nothing?

Wow, Fox News is really desperate.

I love it!

FTA:

""One definition of a great leader," Mukasey added later in the interview, "is somebody who takes less credit than he should and takes more blame than he should. And that's not what we've got now."

Kinda like when Bush stood there and said if you criticize him then you're really criticizing the troops? Kinda like that cowardly act?

SH: Geotpf: Here's the memo:

"Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am."

First, how is this setting up McRaven as the fall guy? Seems like more a straight go ahead, with an (obvious) note that if anything changes before it happens, tell the big guy. Also, that's a "a highly lawyered memo'? Really? It's farking handwritten, for fark's sake. Looks like more of a note of a phone call than a "memo", anyways.

Agree 100%. No laying blame or anything of the sort there. Republitards strike again.

I don't understand the GOP need to politicize the death of bin Laden. All it does is remind people that Obama got bin Laden. The GOP strategists should be fired.

Cracks me up how Heroic you people think Obama is for doing his job for once.

Imagine how much the rest of america would love him if he did it all the time.
Lead from the front, empower the people who follow you...
A key fact of leadership, he doesnt get. he leads from the back, empowering the government to buy their votes.
Financial slavery, with a sugary coating.

When people discover they can vote themselves money, that is the death of the republic...
Benjamin Franklin. womanizer and slave owner, (like the rest of the world) but still a genius.

SH: Anyone have any idea what percentage of morons in the USA watch FOX News and buy all their BS? I live sorta close to Cincinnati/Indiana/Dayton and all the hillbilly fools around here watch it 24/7 and take it as gospel.

Please tell me the rest of the country isn't this stupid.

You will get your answer on Wednesday, November 7, 2012.

Magnanimous_J: Most of us hated Bush when he was president, but the Tea Baggers just take it to a whole new level.

Yes, there was a lot of hatred for Bush. The difference being that the hatred for Bush was for things that he actually did.

AverageAmericanGuy: Killing Osama sure put a lot of people back to work in a completely recovered economy.

Keep crowing, libs.

Yeah, because overthrowing Hussein was so great for our economy!

HotWingConspiracy: Oh no, I hope the right stops bringing up the fact that President Obama killed bin Laden.


THIS BEARS REPEATING

Wow. They really can't handle the fact that the black president made the call to get bin laden. Their racism is just disgusting.

Many of the same folks that talked about Bush Derangement Syndrome were apparently unaware of the symptoms of Obama Derangement Syndrome.

I get it. Sometimes your candidate loses. The Internet is chock full of derpy articles like this one, from all sides of the political (and psychological) spectrum, so you can sit all day and read how the other guy is an idiot super genius with a secret agenda to destroy America. It's fun, and has been a national pastime for decades. This isn't about finding fault with you.

I'm just saying that if this article/headline combo doesn't set off your derptector, it's time to take a walk outside for a while. Breathe in the fresh air. Don't worry. You can still think Obama sucks the whole time.

If you're still perseverating about the 'fall guy memo' and can't come up with better reasons to hate him by the time you get back... Seek help.

I'm pretty conservative and even I can't read an article that mentions Hannity.

The whole "Obama did it wrong, because everything he does is wrong" line is getting awfully tired.

If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

I 100% agree that OBL needed to be brought to justice and I have zero sympathy for he and his followers. It is a slippery slope for the USA though. Was the kill order given because it was operationally impossible to capture? Or was it given because it is politically expedient to dump the body in the ocean and not hold a trial?

Perhaps I am totally mistaken here and it was a "capture or kill" order all along.

Let's not kid ourselves though..if it was a kill order of a political figure in the middle of the night then the term is "assassination".

Two_Noodles: If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

He was a valid military target under the 9/11 AUMF. We no more needed to go out of our way to capture him than we do any other valid military target.

Came for the "Brave Sir Robin" reference. Leaving somewhat disappointed.

Asked by Hannity if the memo "was designed to protect the president politically," Mukasey suggested that "there's going to be more that comes tumbling out about that escapade. But so far, that memo is enough."


Translation: This is all I got for now, but when I try to find away to spin some other stuff I will get back to you.

Of course it would never be Obama's fault. Nothing ever is.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Bush missed in Tora Bora, that was close....but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Bush didn't "miss" at Tora Bora. He "didn't even take a swing" at Tora Bora. That is what makes his ass (and those that apologize for him) such weak sauce.

Bubba Clinton *missed* and all clowns like you did was scream "Wag the dog!!!!!lolz!111" at the top of your lungs.

sprawl15: Two_Noodles: If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

He was a valid military target under the 9/11 AUMF. We no more needed to go out of our way to capture him than we do any other valid military target.

So, it's covered under the "enemy we are at war with" exclusion? Got it.
The Guantanamo precedent makes me twitchy - I think those guys should have gone to court in DC because it sets a much better example for the rest of the world.

Two_Noodles:

If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.


Osama was given full due process. The process to which he was due is clearly defined under the AUMF, authorized by the United States Congress, and signed into law by President of the United States George W. Bush.

I do not think those words mean what you think they mean.

Two_Noodles: sprawl15: Two_Noodles: If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

He was a valid military target under the 9/11 AUMF. We no more needed to go out of our way to capture him than we do any other valid military target.

So, it's covered under the "enemy we are at war with" exclusion? Got it.

It's not an exclusion. It is a very specific inclusion. The list of people the Congress says the President can use military force against is very well defined, and Osama bin Laden was on it.

The Rove strategy of taking your enemy's greatest strength and making it their weakness isn't working this time. It has been reported (since days after the raid) that operational control was with Admiral McRaven. Obama took credit for authorizing the raid, which the memo makes clear he did (despite GOP claims last week that it was a coup by Panetta and Hillary). It just seems like Republicans keep reminding us that Bush hesitated at Tora Bora, Romney, McCain, and the rest of the GOP called Obama "naive" when he said that if he had information on Bin Laden's whereabouts and Pakistan either could not or would not act, he would do so unilaterally. In short, this isn't ever going to be a winning issue for them, no matter how much CYA Obama was doing, the reality is that Osama Bin Laden is very much dead now, whereas if I believe McCain and Romney, they would likely have tipped our hand to Pakistan and the ISI would have once again helped Bin Laden escape.

McCain, Clinton rag him for saying he would do just what he did.

Brave, brave, brave, brave Obama!




/is that David Duchovny playing the minstrel?

I am starting to see an advantage to TotalFark in this thread.

Pre-Green: Some discourse, but mostly rational with many of the posters actually reading the article.

Post-Green: DERP!!!

cameroncrazy1984: jbc: Did EnviroDud, best known around here for giving aid and comfort to al Qaeda, just admit in this thread that Obama was able to "get it right"?

Apparently he takes issue with the SEALs' training methods, though. Maybe he can tell one of them directly that ten months is too long.

I'd pay to how they'd respond to his derp.

Well at least Obama learned ONE thing from Jimmy Carter.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Rent Party: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Bush missed in Tora Bora, that was close....but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Bush didn't "miss" at Tora Bora. He "didn't even take a swing" at Tora Bora. That is what makes his ass (and those that apologize for him) such weak sauce.

Bubba Clinton *missed* and all clowns like you did was scream "Wag the dog!!!!!lolz!111" at the top of your lungs.

How little you know about the Tora Bora campaign......didn't take a swing? jeezus...what a stupid thing to say.


I know that the CIA operative specifically tasked with catching bin Laden during the battle of Tora Bora states that he and his team knew *exactly* where bin Laden was, asked for additional troop support to get him, and was denied. He even went so far as to write a book about it.

In other words, Bush didn't even take a swing.

But I'm sure your brother-in-law's cousin was a Marine Core soldier and knows better, right?

mrlewish: So when is Former U.S. Attorney Michael Mukasey going to be arrested for revealing Top Secret information?

That would mean the administration would have to admit (or take actions that the public might interpret as an admission) that Mukasey's allegations have truth to them.

People capable of logical thought could be persuaded simply by pointing out that Mukasey hasn't offered any proof that such a memo ever existed, nor was he at the time in a position where he would have had access to any memos drafted but not released by Leon Panetta. The herpers are going to believe this derp no matter what.

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Why is Spawn there?

A memo like this would be SOP for any President, regardless of the letter denoting their political affiliation that precedes him (or her). Google "Operation Eagle Claw" for reasons why.

The thing that upsets people that aren't blinded by the fact that Obama is a dem, or black, or a "sekrit muslim" is the credit he took for it. This document is not damning, nor should it be surprising to anyone who knows anything about the CYA nature of politics, but it does fly in the face of the credit taken after it was successful.

I'm not friend of Obama, but then again, I don't like 90% of the presidents I've lived to see. But there hasn't been a president that hasn't done the same thing. Republican or Democrat