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MaudlinMutantMollusk		2012-05-08 06:47:50 PM

belhade: Brave, brave, brave, brave Obama!

[pinktape.co.uk image 200x242]

/is that David Duchovny playing the minstrel?

Considering he would have been around 15 when the movie was made, I don't think so

poot_rootbeer		2012-05-08 06:49:04 PM

To clarify, when I say "proof that such a memo existed", I mean one that says what Mukasey claims it says, as the one that's been made public clearly doesn't.

Basically, Mukasey read a memo that says "If anything unexpected happens, the buck shall stop at the President's desk" and interpreted it as "If anything unexpected happens, the buck shall stop anywhere but the President's desk," which is downright potato.

Ron Von Kleinenstein		2012-05-08 06:49:04 PM

Non-story here. We don't even have real proof that Osama is dead.

flamingboard		2012-05-08 06:50:57 PM

Geotpf: Here's the memo:

"Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am."

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First, how is this setting up McRaven as the fall guy? Seems like more a straight go ahead, with an (obvious) note that if anything changes before it happens, tell the big guy. Also, that's a "a highly lawyered memo'? Really? It's farking handwritten, for fark's sake. Looks like more of a note of a phone call than a "memo", anyways.

Looks legit. You can tell by the totally unphotoshoppable stationary.

Two_Noodles		2012-05-08 06:51:27 PM

Rent Party: Two_Noodles: sprawl15: Two_Noodles: If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

He was a valid military target under the 9/11 AUMF. We no more needed to go out of our way to capture him than we do any other valid military target.

So, it's covered under the "enemy we are at war with" exclusion? Got it.

It's not an exclusion. It is a very specific inclusion. The list of people the Congress says the President can use military force against is very well defined, and Osama bin Laden was on it.

Ok, so it wasn't illegal. I guess it's just semantics then.
as·sas·si·nate [uh-sas-uh-neyt]
verb (used with object), as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing.
to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person; murder premeditatedly and treacherously.

Now...was OBL not a political figure? was he not killed in the middle of the night?
He was a criminal, a terrorist (the classical definition: someone who attempts political change through violence, not the little kid who won't eat his vegetables definition we have now) and..I contend: a politically prominent person.

Trapper439		2012-05-08 06:52:59 PM

As an Aussie I find this whole issue quite bemusing.

It astonishes me that the US Right is attacking Obama because he killed Osama bin Laden. I can't put it any more simply than that.

The dude deserved to die, and your duly-elected President had him killed. Nobody mourned. And yet the same cretins who approved of attacking Iraq for no goddamned reason and want to elect another Republican who'll attack Iran for no goddamned reason apparently have a problem with this.

What the fark is wrong with you people?

Surool		2012-05-08 06:54:03 PM

que.guero: Surool: Why are you Republicans so butthurt that Osama is dead? You set him up as the world's most evil super villain from 2001-2008. Shouldn't you be happy that somebody took him out after Bush publicly stated that he was no longer concerned about Bin Laden's whereabouts?

We got him dudes... on to the next threat finally.

Actually, OBL was not that important as of about 2006.

Link

I'm talking about how Republicans talked about him, not how the CIA viewed him. Your link is irrelevant.

olddinosaur		2012-05-08 06:54:49 PM

Worst use of the HERO tag evar.

poot_rootbeer		2012-05-08 06:56:43 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: We knew about AQ back then, and Bubba flinched/missed because he could not handle the heat in the kitchen..

So your point is that Obama succeeded where 'Bubba' failed?

I guess that means he's a good president and can handle 'the heat in the kitchen' and you should vote for him.

Halli		2012-05-08 06:59:32 PM

mjbok: A memo like this would be SOP for any President, regardless of the letter denoting their political affiliation that precedes him (or her). Google "Operation Eagle Claw" for reasons why.

The thing that upsets people that aren't blinded by the fact that Obama is a dem, or black, or a "sekrit muslim" is the credit he took for it. This document is not damning, nor should it be surprising to anyone who knows anything about the CYA nature of politics, but it does fly in the face of the credit taken after it was successful.

WTF are you people even talking about. He authorized the mission and put a military guy in charge of it. Are you really this stupid?

jmr61		2012-05-08 07:01:36 PM

It would be great if all republicans would die.
Soon.

PsiChi		2012-05-08 07:02:04 PM

The fraud did not kill Bin Laden, and it's pathetic that anyone falls for such a weak story. I thought Farkers were famous for their braaaaains...

poot_rootbeer		2012-05-08 07:02:13 PM

Trapper439: What the fark is wrong with you people?

Rupert Murdoch discovered that people who are worked up into a frenzy of anger over political issues are more valuable targets to media advertisers than people who think calmly and rationally for themselves.

Rent Party		2012-05-08 07:02:17 PM

Two_Noodles: Rent Party: Two_Noodles: sprawl15: Two_Noodles: If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

He was a valid military target under the 9/11 AUMF. We no more needed to go out of our way to capture him than we do any other valid military target.

So, it's covered under the "enemy we are at war with" exclusion? Got it.

It's not an exclusion. It is a very specific inclusion. The list of people the Congress says the President can use military force against is very well defined, and Osama bin Laden was on it.

Ok, so it wasn't illegal. I guess it's just semantics then.
as·sas·si·nate [uh-sas-uh-neyt]
verb (used with object), as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing.
to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person; murder premeditatedly and treacherously.

Now...was OBL not a political figure? was he not killed in the middle of the night?
He was a criminal, a terrorist (the classical definition: someone who attempts political change through violence, not the little kid who won't eat his vegetables definition we have now) and..I contend: a politically prominent person.

He was no more "assasinated" than any other high level commander was. Ulysses Grant didn't "assassinate" Sidney Johnston at Shilo and Tojo didn't "assasinate" Simon Buckner at Okinawa. They're soldiers, they get shot at, and they get killed.

And the disposition of the enemy troops is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to attacking them. If you find a hundred enemy troops asleep in their tents, you don't politely wake them up, you mortar the place until they're dead.

There is absolutely *nothing* unique or special about bin Laden's demise, other than the fact we had to wait through eight years of gross incompetence before we found someone with the stones to go in and dig him out.

Keizer_Ghidorah		2012-05-08 07:03:13 PM

Two_Noodles: Rent Party: Two_Noodles: sprawl15: Two_Noodles: If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

He was a valid military target under the 9/11 AUMF. We no more needed to go out of our way to capture him than we do any other valid military target.

So, it's covered under the "enemy we are at war with" exclusion? Got it.

It's not an exclusion. It is a very specific inclusion. The list of people the Congress says the President can use military force against is very well defined, and Osama bin Laden was on it.

Ok, so it wasn't illegal. I guess it's just semantics then.
as·sas·si·nate [uh-sas-uh-neyt]
verb (used with object), as·sas·si·nat·ed, as·sas·si·nat·ing.
to kill suddenly or secretively, especially a politically prominent person; murder premeditatedly and treacherously.

Now...was OBL not a political figure? was he not killed in the middle of the night?
He was a criminal, a terrorist (the classical definition: someone who attempts political change through violence, not the little kid who won't eat his vegetables definition we have now) and..I contend: a politically prominent person.

Then let's start shooting enemy armies with tranquilizer darts and EMP grenades, haul all of them over to the US, and give each and every one of them full due process of law.

If we have to be so politically correct that we can't even fire a bullet at an enemy combatant without reading him Miranda rights, then we might as well just roll over and tell the world to stomp on our stomach.

Keizer_Ghidorah		2012-05-08 07:05:14 PM

PsiChi: The fraud did not kill Bin Laden, and it's pathetic that anyone falls for such a weak story. I thought Farkers were famous for their braaaaains...

Could you at least put some effort into it? If trolling has gotten that boring, maybe you should find another hobby.

Rent Party		2012-05-08 07:05:41 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah:
Then let's start shooting enemy armies with tranquilizer darts and EMP grenades, haul all of them over to the US, and give each and every one of them full due process of law.

People should stop saying this.

bin Laden *got* full due process of law, as described quite clearly in the AUMF.

Saulsa		2012-05-08 07:07:31 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Meanwhile, Subby faps in a dark closet using only his tears and snot as lube...

/hey, just like the dumbass who keeps submitting deadmoran.com links!

I prefer more of a "dry rub" style myself.

Diagonal		2012-05-08 07:10:08 PM

SH: Geotpf: Here's the memo:

"Received phone call from Tom Donilon who stated that the President made a decision with regard to AC1 [Abbottabad Compound 1]. The decision is to proceed with the assault. The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out. Those instructions were conveyed to Admiral McRaven at approximately 10:45 am."

First, how is this setting up McRaven as the fall guy? Seems like more a straight go ahead, with an (obvious) note that if anything changes before it happens, tell the big guy. Also, that's a "a highly lawyered memo'? Really? It's farking handwritten, for fark's sake. Looks like more of a note of a phone call than a "memo", anyways.

Agree 100%. No laying blame or anything of the sort there. Republitards strike again.

Pretty much true. This was a memo confirming presidential permission to conduct the raid. All it does is establish McCraven as the to-go guy, the OIC, the HMFWC, etc. In short, if the raid had failed, McCraven would have been OFF the hook. The memo does exactly the opposite of what the article claims. It's the bureaucrat's version of, "The president commands you to do xxxxxx." And it is as noted a Memo for the Record.

Keizer_Ghidorah		2012-05-08 07:11:08 PM

Rent Party: Keizer_Ghidorah:
Then let's start shooting enemy armies with tranquilizer darts and EMP grenades, haul all of them over to the US, and give each and every one of them full due process of law.

People should stop saying this.

bin Laden *got* full due process of law, as described quite clearly in the AUMF.

I was being sarcastic.

belhade		2012-05-08 07:14:09 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: belhade: Brave, brave, brave, brave Obama!

[pinktape.co.uk image 200x242]

/is that David Duchovny playing the minstrel?

Considering he would have been around 15 when the movie was made, I don't think so

Sure, the timeframe is off but it certainly looks like him!

thnksqrd		2012-05-08 07:16:38 PM

Trapper439: As an Aussie I find this whole issue quite bemusing.

It astonishes me that the US Right is attacking Obama because he killed Osama bin Laden. I can't put it any more simply than that.

The dude deserved to die, and your duly-elected President had him killed. Nobody mourned. And yet the same cretins who approved of attacking Iraq for no goddamned reason and want to elect another Republican who'll attack Iran for no goddamned reason apparently have a problem with this.

What the fark is wrong with you people?

Fundamentalist Zealots and Corporate Personhood for a start.

Via Infinito		2012-05-08 07:19:12 PM

Dammit. The ignore list doesn't work if you guys keep responding to all these douchenozzles.

Two_Noodles		2012-05-08 07:19:57 PM

Rent Party:

He was no more "assasinated" than any other high level commander was. Ulysses Grant didn't "assassinate" Sidney Johnston at Shilo and Tojo didn't "assasinate" Simon Buckner at Okinawa. They're soldiers, they get shot at, and they get killed.

And the disposition of the enemy troops is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to attacking them. If you find a hundred enemy troops asleep in their tents, you don't politely wake them up, you mortar the place until they're dead.

There is absolutely *nothing* unique or special about bin Laden's demise, other than the fact we had to wait through eight years of gross incompetence ...

You give two examples..both killed on a battlefield: Johnston likely an accident during a charge, Buckner by artillery. So the difference being: not in their home, not in a midnight raid, not terribly politically significant.

I think it was an assassination, it probably was the right thing to do and probably the right way to do it. I'm just not sure if I should weep for my country or not.

Jesus Malverde		2012-05-08 07:20:15 PM

henryhill: There are alot of things to be pissed off at Obama about. This, or anything related to the OBL killing certainly arent one of them. Why is it so hard for the GOP to admit this? Can't someone be a staunch republican and still say "Hey, you know what, I don't like him, but he got this right."?

Hey you know what, I don't like him, but he got this right.

/not hard
//am able to give credit where credit is due

Keizer_Ghidorah		2012-05-08 07:23:24 PM

NateGrey		2012-05-08 07:24:30 PM

Republican tears are so awesome.

This has been the best year of politics I have experienced.

Thank you Teabaggers.

Oh no Bin Laden is dead! Now what religious guy will you idolize!

Tumunga		2012-05-08 07:26:20 PM

BritneysSpeculum: EnviroDude: Considering he mulled the decision to pull the trigger for 10 months so he could "get it right", this is not a shock.

Captain Obama - avenger at large!

Dude, your guy did not have the balls to pull the trigger at all so STFU.

Who, Clinton?

Rent Party		2012-05-08 07:27:10 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Rent Party: Keizer_Ghidorah:
Then let's start shooting enemy armies with tranquilizer darts and EMP grenades, haul all of them over to the US, and give each and every one of them full due process of law.

People should stop saying this.

bin Laden *got* full due process of law, as described quite clearly in the AUMF.

I was being sarcastic.

I realize your intent was to be sarcastic, and I understand your intent (and you are correct in your feelings) so please allow me to explain why your sarcasm failed. Sarcasm generally requires you to state the *opposite* of what happened. Like when you say "and give each and every one of them full due process of law," when that is, in fact, exactly what happened, it fails to be sarcasm. Sarcasm would be "and give each and every one of them a lawyer and a trial..." something to which he was not entitled.

bin Laden *got* full due process.

snowjack		2012-05-08 07:27:23 PM

mycatisposter: I'm pretty conservative and even I can't read an article that mentions Hannity.

lynnrockets.files.wordpress.com

"Gee, ain't I a stinker?"

Happy Hours		2012-05-08 07:28:45 PM

Geotpf: First, how is this setting up McRaven as the fall guy? Seems like more a straight go ahead, with an (obvious) note that if anything changes before it happens, tell the big guy. Also, that's a "a highly lawyered memo'? Really? It's farking handwritten, for fark's sake. Looks like more of a note of a phone call than a "memo", anyways.

Not that I disagree with anything you said, but notice the time discrepancy. Memo written 10 minutes before the information was conveyed.

Should make for some nice conspiracy theories. I'm not sure what exactly, but they'll come up with something.

mosketer		2012-05-08 07:31:27 PM

SH: Anyone have any idea what percentage of morons in the USA watch FOX News and buy all their BS? I live sorta close to Cincinnati/Indiana/Dayton and all the hillbilly fools around here watch it 24/7 and take it as gospel.

Please tell me the rest of the country isn't this stupid.

Don't know about the rest of the country, but there's too many of them in Louisiana! Thankfully, we're not all like that down here.

Rent Party		2012-05-08 07:34:03 PM

Two_Noodles: Rent Party:

He was no more "assasinated" than any other high level commander was. Ulysses Grant didn't "assassinate" Sidney Johnston at Shilo and Tojo didn't "assasinate" Simon Buckner at Okinawa. They're soldiers, they get shot at, and they get killed.

And the disposition of the enemy troops is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to attacking them. If you find a hundred enemy troops asleep in their tents, you don't politely wake them up, you mortar the place until they're dead.

There is absolutely *nothing* unique or special about bin Laden's demise, other than the fact we had to wait through eight years of gross incompetence ...

You give two examples..both killed on a battlefield: Johnston likely an accident during a charge, Buckner by artillery. So the difference being: not in their home, not in a midnight raid, not terribly politically significant.

The battlefield is where they battle is, sport. When SEALs land in a combat helicopter and start shooting, that's a battle. bin Laden was killed on the battlefield, too. Johnston was more highly regarded than Lee by Jefferson Davis. Your attempt at dismissing his "political" importance is akin to dismissing Eisenhower's or Macarthur's. And the fact that it was "his home" is completely irrelevant. Outside of standing passively with his hands up actively trying to surrender, it matters not one whit where he was, or what he was doing when he got killed. Command and control centers are highly valuable military targets. If it's also your home office, tough shiat.

I think it was an assassination, it probably was the right thing to do and probably the right way to do it. I'm just not sure if I should weep for my country or not.

You can think it was an assassination all you like. What you should really weep for is your cognitive abilities. Outside of your feelings, there is not one single fact that would lead someone to claim "assassination."

Magorn		2012-05-08 07:35:56 PM

Rent Party: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Bush missed in Tora Bora, that was close....but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Bush didn't "miss" at Tora Bora. He "didn't even take a swing" at Tora Bora. That is what makes his ass (and those that apologize for him) such weak sauce.

Bubba Clinton *missed* and all clowns like you did was scream "Wag the dog!!!!!lolz!111" at the top of your lungs.

In point of fact, at Tora Bora, Bush ordered the US special forces to stand down and hand over the operational control of the offensive to capture Bind laden to the Afghan forces even though he KNEW the local commander was suspected of having pro-Taliban sympathies or at least that his loyalty was for sale to the highest bidder, and in fact, that commander and his forces drew down on US special forces after they tried to ignore a "cease fire" he negotiated with bin Laden's forces, that was designed to give OBL time to escape. (for all that we' almost got him. The reason we captured his driver was because Osama sent him out to test whether the US could tap his satellite phone, and made a call to an associate saying he was in the car we intercepted)

The ONLY reason I can think of for Bush acting that stupidly during the Battle of Tora Bora was a recognition that if we caught Bin laden there and then, a lot of people would have asked the question "then why the fark do we need to invade Iraq again?"

ifarkthereforiam		2012-05-08 07:36:46 PM

"One definition of a great leader," Mukasey added later in the interview, "is somebody who ~~takes less credit than he should and takes more blame than he should~~gives all credit for anything good that happened to republicans no matter how incompetent they are. And that's not what we've got now."

/accuracy

dericwater		2012-05-08 07:37:16 PM

Galwran: Speeches written in case the Normandy landings or the moon mission failed

Of course, DDE was the operational commander for D-Day. It was his baby. It wasn't FDR's baby.

As for the moon shot, I would imagine the head of NASA would be the one to say something had things failed. But Nixon making the possible speech would not be so bad as much as a top(est) level commiseration of a tragic loss.

Keizer_Ghidorah		2012-05-08 07:39:16 PM

Rent Party: Keizer_Ghidorah: Rent Party: Keizer_Ghidorah:
Then let's start shooting enemy armies with tranquilizer darts and EMP grenades, haul all of them over to the US, and give each and every one of them full due process of law.

People should stop saying this.

bin Laden *got* full due process of law, as described quite clearly in the AUMF.

I was being sarcastic.

I realize your intent was to be sarcastic, and I understand your intent (and you are correct in your feelings) so please allow me to explain why your sarcasm failed. Sarcasm generally requires you to state the *opposite* of what happened. Like when you say "and give each and every one of them full due process of law," when that is, in fact, exactly what happened, it fails to be sarcasm. Sarcasm would be "and give each and every one of them a lawyer and a trial..." something to which he was not entitled.

bin Laden *got* full due process.

Dude, I'm on YOUR side. I KNOW how it works. My comment was "If we're gonna whine that Osama wasn't given what you want, let's start arresting all the enemy combatants and give them trials to make up for it* snarkiness. Geez, let's not start attacking our comrades, hm?

dericwater		2012-05-08 07:40:53 PM

timujin: I Browse: What a Fall Guy (and his kick ass truck) might look like.

If you're going to post pics from The Fall Guy, at least post the right ones...
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[img180.imageshack.us image 249x320]

Oh yeah. Heather Thomas >> Heather Locklear.

(Even now.)

Magorn		2012-05-08 07:44:48 PM

Two_Noodles: Rent Party:

He was no more "assasinated" than any other high level commander was. Ulysses Grant didn't "assassinate" Sidney Johnston at Shilo and Tojo didn't "assasinate" Simon Buckner at Okinawa. They're soldiers, they get shot at, and they get killed.

And the disposition of the enemy troops is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to attacking them. If you find a hundred enemy troops asleep in their tents, you don't politely wake them up, you mortar the place until they're dead.

There is absolutely *nothing* unique or special about bin Laden's demise, other than the fact we had to wait through eight years of gross incompetence ...

You give two examples..both killed on a battlefield: Johnston likely an accident during a charge, Buckner by artillery. So the difference being: not in their home, not in a midnight raid, not terribly politically significant.

I think it was an assassination, it probably was the right thing to do and probably the right way to do it. I'm just not sure if I should weep for my country or not.

Because we broke the "Urgent Purple" code the Japanese navy was using, we found out the route that Japanese naval commander Admiral Yamamoto was flying in an unarmed cargo plane. We dispatched three squadrons of fighters to shoot him down over the Pacific. Is that an "assassination" in your book?

In Vietnam, The legendary sniper, Carlos Whitefeather Hathcock , executed at least 93 NVA officers or Vietcong Political leaders with a sniper rifle. Were those "assassinations"?

ifarkthereforiam		2012-05-08 07:47:20 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: GWLush: Man, it really hurts the Republicans deep down in their soul to know that Osama was killed under a Dems watch. I actually didn't think they would downplay the death of the man that ordered the attack on 9/11. I guess they forgot.

Dems had two cracks at him, so yea, you're only batting .500

Still glad he's fish food.

Yeah, and the republican crybabies are batting 0 on that acount. Your point? (besides the one on top of your head.)

Rent Party		2012-05-08 07:51:43 PM

dericwater: Galwran: Speeches written in case the Normandy landings or the moon mission failed

Of course, DDE was the operational commander for D-Day. It was his baby. It wasn't FDR's baby.

Uhhhh, no. Overlord was FDR and Churchill's baby. It was in the works for almost a year before they were kind enough to inform Stalin about it at the Tehran conference. Ike wasn't even selected Supreme Allied Commander until after that conference and FDR had to convince Churchill that Ike over Montgomery was the way to go. In other words, Ike was selected specifically to execute Overlord, not come up with it.

In context, this memo would have said "President approves Overlord. Operational control is with Ike. Keep him informed if anything changes. Goal is to invade France, knock over the rest of Europe, and go home."

Rent Party		2012-05-08 07:53:14 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah:

Dude, I'm on YOUR side. I KNOW how it works. My comment was "If we're gonna whine that Osama wasn't given what you want, let's start arresting all the enemy combatants and give them trials to make up for it* snarkiness. Geez, let's not start attacking our comrades, hm?

I know you are. That is why it is important to inform folks that bin Laden got full due process, rather than imply that he didn't.

It's OK! Honest!

Mitch Taylor's Bro		2012-05-08 07:53:17 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Somacandra: bim1154: [i106.photobucket.com image 640x422]

Words cannot express how much awesome this shop has.

Hillary as Wonder Woman makes me lose all my horny though.

It's really odd, but as a conservative, I think the job she has done as Sec of State has been admirable. Even her Preznit hates her and she has done the duty, flown the miles and worked the rooms. Would she have been a better President? I don't really know.

I agree. I thought she might spend more time sniping at her political rival, but she's done an admirable job in a political environment that's probably a little tougher than even Condoleezza had to deal with (simply because now our allies are broke and the Middle East uprisings tossed out old, unpopular allies with new, popular leaders who are more influenced by religion than I am comfortable with).

That said, my comment wasn't about her ability to do her job. It was simply...

This is Wonder Woman:
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This is your penis on Wonder Woman:
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This is your penis on Hillary Clinton:
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Any questions? :-)

colon_pow		2012-05-08 07:59:34 PM

if that raid failed, we would have never known who the target was. just some high level al quaeda operative.

Rent Party		2012-05-08 08:00:32 PM

colon_pow: if that raid failed, we would have never known who the target was. just some high level al quaeda operative.

Do you honestly think we would have so egregiously violated Pakistan's airspace for some un-named operative?

Kumana Wanalaia		2012-05-08 08:05:28 PM

Conservatives never change, they just fade away.

Some things are more important than self interest.

See you in November.

caramba421		2012-05-08 08:06:38 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Killing Osama sure put a lot of people back to work in a completely recovered economy.

Keep crowing, libs.

Let me guess, everything would have been fixed already if just we lowered taxes on the absurdly wealthy to a level that is even lower than now, which is already lower than where they were during 6 of Reagan's years.

You know where we need them? 24%. Right where they were in 1929.

Two_Noodles		2012-05-08 08:07:02 PM

Magorn: Two_Noodles: Rent Party:

He was no more "assasinated" than any other high level commander was. Ulysses Grant didn't "assassinate" Sidney Johnston at Shilo and Tojo didn't "assasinate" Simon Buckner at Okinawa. They're soldiers, they get shot at, and they get killed.

And the disposition of the enemy troops is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to attacking them. If you find a hundred enemy troops asleep in their tents, you don't politely wake them up, you mortar the place until they're dead.

There is absolutely *nothing* unique or special about bin Laden's demise, other than the fact we had to wait through eight years of gross incompetence ...

You give two examples..both killed on a battlefield: Johnston likely an accident during a charge, Buckner by artillery. So the difference being: not in their home, not in a midnight raid, not terribly politically significant.

I think it was an assassination, it probably was the right thing to do and probably the right way to do it. I'm just not sure if I should weep for my country or not.

Because we broke the "Urgent Purple" code the Japanese navy was using, we found out the route that Japanese naval commander Admiral Yamamoto was flying in an unarmed cargo plane. We dispatched three squadrons of fighters to shoot him down over the Pacific. Is that an "assassination" in your book?

In Vietnam, The legendary sniper, Carlos Whitefeather Hathcock , executed at least 93 NVA officers or Vietcong Political leaders with a sniper rifle. Were those "assassinations"?

Those both fit the definition, so: yes.

Keizer_Ghidorah		2012-05-08 08:10:57 PM

Two_Noodles: Magorn: Two_Noodles: Rent Party:

He was no more "assasinated" than any other high level commander was. Ulysses Grant didn't "assassinate" Sidney Johnston at Shilo and Tojo didn't "assasinate" Simon Buckner at Okinawa. They're soldiers, they get shot at, and they get killed.

And the disposition of the enemy troops is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to attacking them. If you find a hundred enemy troops asleep in their tents, you don't politely wake them up, you mortar the place until they're dead.

There is absolutely *nothing* unique or special about bin Laden's demise, other than the fact we had to wait through eight years of gross incompetence ...

You give two examples..both killed on a battlefield: Johnston likely an accident during a charge, Buckner by artillery. So the difference being: not in their home, not in a midnight raid, not terribly politically significant.

I think it was an assassination, it probably was the right thing to do and probably the right way to do it. I'm just not sure if I should weep for my country or not.

Because we broke the "Urgent Purple" code the Japanese navy was using, we found out the route that Japanese naval commander Admiral Yamamoto was flying in an unarmed cargo plane. We dispatched three squadrons of fighters to shoot him down over the Pacific. Is that an "assassination" in your book?

In Vietnam, The legendary sniper, Carlos Whitefeather Hathcock , executed at least 93 NVA officers or Vietcong Political leaders with a sniper rifle. Were those "assassinations"?

Those both fit the definition, so: yes.

We're so sorry. From now on we'll make sure to call our targets and let them know we're coming so they can saddle up and meet us in glorious battle.

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NeverDrunk23		2012-05-08 08:14:33 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: To be fair, they only do this every other year. You know, election year. In come the paid trolls and off they go.

Which would be pathetic but people could deal with it. However, they are really pissing on things because they are deleting posts that call them out on this more and more.

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