Whoa whoa whoa. What's this about Osama being killed? I listen to Rush Limbaugh three hours a day and this is the first I've heard of it. When did this happen? 2003? 2006? Early January 2009?

timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Dems had two cracks at him

After 9/11?

Clinton, tomahawks, tents.....durrrr

Tigger: If Bush hadn't given up on Bin Laden and he'd actually have been shot on his watch then he would appear on the news wearing two New York Fire Department helmets at the same time in front of a banner of an eagle that shiats bacon onto terrorists while drinking champagne from Bin Laden's hollowed out skull.

This is why I love Fark!

Lt. Cheese Weasel: timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Dems had two cracks at him

After 9/11?

Clinton, tomahawks, tents.....durrrr

You wrote "Dems had two cracks at him" in response to "I actually didn't think they would downplay the death of the man that ordered the attack on 9/11." Hence my question, since prior to 9/11 he wasn't "the man that ordered the attack." He was known to be a dick and an enemy of the U.S. after the embassy bombings, but not at the same level as he was after the towers, so it's not surprising they didn't spend the same level of resources before that they should have after. I write "should have" because Bush apparently gave up on finding him in early 2002.

Geotpf: timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Dems had two cracks at him

After 9/11?

And the first time they attacked Clinton for "Wagging the Dog" away from the Lewinsky scandal.

And if he had any balls instead of a humidor full of cigars to pork Monica's sweatbox with, he could have done the job then, and we would not be wasting bandwidth now. Obama is better than Clinton because he plainly tells the media to go blow goats if they don't like it. All Clinton cared about was getting his cigars wet and his public opinion polls. It's a tough job. Obama is better at the game than Bubba was. Just saying....not that it matters now except for stupid pol talking points in 2012. I'm conservative, mostly republican and fricking glad SOMEBODY killed the muthaf*cker. Does not mean I will vote for him, just glad he's dead. 3 preznits, one of them had to get it done. Bush missed in Tora Bora, that was close....but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

FTFA: "One definition of a great leader," Mukasey added later in the interview, "is somebody who takes less credit than he should and takes more blame than he should. And that's not what we've got now."

Mukasey's certainly one to talk, given his background covering Bush's appointees' asses after Attorney General Gonzales had to step aside.

timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Dems had two cracks at him

After 9/11?

Clinton, tomahawks, tents.....durrrr

You wrote "Dems had two cracks at him" in response to "I actually didn't think they would downplay the death of the man that ordered the attack on 9/11." Hence my question, since prior to 9/11 he wasn't "the man that ordered the attack." He was known to be a dick and an enemy of the U.S. after the embassy bombings, but not at the same level as he was after the towers, so it's not surprising they didn't spend the same level of resources before that they should have after. I write "should have" because Bush apparently gave up on finding him in early 2002.

I'm downplaying nothing. HE's DEAD. OBAMA did it. Fine by me.

timujin: I write "should have" because Bush apparently gave up on finding him in early 2002.

Yea, right, the public statement was ' I don't know where he was and I don't care'....at the same time, the CIA under Bush directives was directed to up the ante, get more intel and rope him in. And then do it. It took longer than one pol cycle to make it happen. I don't care. HE'S F*CKING DEAD. Give the credit to Hughey Lewis and and the News, I don't CARE.

Plenty of reasons to distrust Obammy. Killing Osama is not one of them. He did it. Now, get me the double play and kill Al Zwahiri and I would really be pleased. Still don't really care who does it or gets the credit. I just want them DEAD.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: timujin: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Dems had two cracks at him

After 9/11?

Clinton, tomahawks, tents.....durrrr

You wrote "Dems had two cracks at him" in response to "I actually didn't think they would downplay the death of the man that ordered the attack on 9/11." Hence my question, since prior to 9/11 he wasn't "the man that ordered the attack." He was known to be a dick and an enemy of the U.S. after the embassy bombings, but not at the same level as he was after the towers, so it's not surprising they didn't spend the same level of resources before that they should have after. I write "should have" because Bush apparently gave up on finding him in early 2002.

I'm downplaying nothing. HE's DEAD. OBAMA did it. Fine by me.

I don't think I said you were downplaying anything. I only asked because you were responding to "why are the Republicans talking about this?" with "the Dems could have done it years ago." You've gone on to write a whole screed about Clinton and his cigars. I'm still not sure why you're bringing that up, it has nothing to do with the comment you responded to, nor to the thread as a whole.

"Why are the Republicans reminding people Obama ordered the strike on OBL?"
"Clinton didn't kill him. Twice."
"LOLWUT?"

Lt. Cheese Weasel: timujin: I write "should have" because Bush apparently gave up on finding him in early 2002.

Yea, right, the public statement was ' I don't know where he was and I don't care'....at the same time, the CIA under Bush directives was directed to up the ante, get more intel and rope him in. And then do it. It took longer than one pol cycle to make it happen. I don't care. HE'S F*CKING DEAD. Give the credit to Hughey Lewis and and the News, I don't CARE.

Was that what was going on? I took Bush's word at face value, he seemed to be much more concerned about Iraq and not really worried any more about bin Laden. Do you know if the CIA actually did anything?

Two_Noodles: The whole "Obama did it wrong, because everything he does is wrong" line is getting awfully tired.

If Obama did it wrong, it is because he gave a "kill" order instead of "capture". Essentially this makes it a political assassination. OBL was the leader of a political movement (a violent, marginalized and illegitimate movement). He was killed in the middle of the night and without due process.

I 100% agree that OBL needed to be brought to justice and I have zero sympathy for he and his followers. It is a slippery slope for the USA though. Was the kill order given because it was operationally impossible to capture? Or was it given because it is politically expedient to dump the body in the ocean and not hold a trial?

Perhaps I am totally mistaken here and it was a "capture or kill" order all along.

Let's not kid ourselves though..if it was a kill order of a political figure in the middle of the night then the term is "assassination".

You cannot assassinate a terrorist. The term assassination is correctly applied to recognized leaders of duly recognized countries. And that does not apply. It was a seek and destroy mission of a duly noted terrorist/'criminal/enemy of the state, without a flag or an embassy. We 'assassinated' no one. We took out the garbage.

Asked by Hannity if the memo "was designed to protect the president politically," Mukasey suggested that "there's going to be more that comes tumbling out about that escapade. But so far, that memo is enough."


Translation: This is all I got for now, but when I try to find away to spin some other stuff I will get back to you.

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Hillary as Wonder Woman makes me lose all my horny though.

timujin: I took Bush's word at face value,

As did everyone else. Politics is not what you should consider the breeding ground for facts or truth. What happens daily in that circle once you are the president is beyond any normal ring of information. Believe what you will.

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Words cannot express how much awesome this shop has.

Hillary as Wonder Woman makes me lose all my horny though.

It's really odd, but as a conservative, I think the job she has done as Sec of State has been admirable. Even her Preznit hates her and she has done the duty, flown the miles and worked the rooms. Would she have been a better President? I don't really know.

This is the biggest farking lie I've ever seen the right wing try to push. I was outraged last week when i heard some right -wing fringe ranter try to push it, but I had no idea it was some kind of coordinated campaign until now.

And here's the important thing: Mukaskey and anyone else who claims this interpretation of the memo KNOW they are lying because the memo says THE EXACT OPPOSITE of that they are claiming and Mukaskey especially ,who has seen such memos before KNOWS it

Admiral McRaven is the commander of JSOC, so OF COURSE he had operational command of the mission that would be like Roosevelt putting Eisenhower in charge of D-Day, in other words exactly what you'd expect.

By putting in the line about briefing the president about additional risks Obama was putting the mission and its risks on HIS shoulders, telling McRaven he could come back to him and double-check if things appeared worse than influentially briefed, not making McR make that call in a vacuum.

And you know WHY the right s do desperate to attack this memo? Because it proves their LAST line of attack, that somehow the Navy SEALS did this all on their own in defiance of Obama's orders, to be the utter bullshiat it always was.

Rent Party: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Bush missed in Tora Bora, that was close....but close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Bush didn't "miss" at Tora Bora. He "didn't even take a swing" at Tora Bora. That is what makes his ass (and those that apologize for him) such weak sauce.

Bubba Clinton *missed* and all clowns like you did was scream "Wag the dog!!!!!lolz!111" at the top of your lungs.

How little you know about the Tora Bora campaign......didn't take a swing? jeezus...what a stupid thing to say.

The really odd part is about public perception being driven by media whores. At the time, I remember thinking, and still to this day, I couldn't care less if Bill Clinton was f*cking goats and little choir boys. I just wanted him to get the job done. We knew about AQ back then, and Bubba flinched/missed because he could not handle the heat in the kitchen.. These facts are irrefutable. But Bush.....

Magorn: This is the biggest farking lie I've ever seen the right wing try to push. I was outraged last week when i heard some right -wing fringe ranter try to push it, but I had no idea it was some kind of coordinated campaign until now.

If you think that was the biggest lie, try this one from a few days after Osama was killed.

Surool: Why are you Republicans so butthurt that Osama is dead? You set him up as the world's most evil super villain from 2001-2008. Shouldn't you be happy that somebody took him out after Bush publicly stated that he was no longer concerned about Bin Laden's whereabouts?

We got him dudes... on to the next threat finally.


Actually, OBL was not that important as of about 2006.

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