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2012-05-08 11:52:32 AM  
While I'm not a fan of the TSA, the article's opening line:

"16-year-old Savannah Barry said her $10,000 insulin pump was broken in the time it took for a TSA full-body scan."

Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.
 
2012-05-08 11:55:34 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.


FTA: [The manufacturer] can't guarantee that the software isn't damaged by the TSA's technology that they use, so her blood sugar could run high or her blood sugar could run low

Maybe a little premature to call it broken, but the girl couldn't use the machine because the TSA was stupid and forced her through a scanner she didn't even want to go through.
 
2012-05-08 12:05:00 PM  

Gig103: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.

FTA: [The manufacturer] can't guarantee that the software isn't damaged by the TSA's technology that they use, so her blood sugar could run high or her blood sugar could run low

Maybe a little premature to call it broken, but the girl couldn't use the machine because the TSA was stupid and forced her through a scanner she didn't even want to go through.


That's like being worried that a cell phone or laptop would be damaged by going through the scanner.

They're not magic radiation waves.
 
2012-05-08 12:05:05 PM  
If the scanner breaks insulin pumps then mine has been broken for years.
 
2012-05-08 12:11:22 PM  
The important thing is that we agree that the TSA sucks complete ass and is hell bent on destroying America.
 
2012-05-08 12:23:11 PM  

Gig103: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.

FTA: [The manufacturer] can't guarantee that the software isn't damaged by the TSA's technology that they use, so her blood sugar could run high or her blood sugar could run low

Maybe a little premature to call it broken, but the girl couldn't use the machine because the TSA was stupid and forced her through a scanner she didn't even want to go through.


I'm no fan of the TSA, certainly, but the girl wasn't forced to do anything.

You can opt out. Granted, she's a kid, and they probably should have gone out of their way to tell her she didn't have to go through if she was concerned about the equipment, as opposed to relying on their GED in medicine to give her medical advice. But it is a stretch to say she had no choice here.
 
2012-05-08 12:37:01 PM  
The last two times I've gone through the airport I've declined the scanner and received a pat down. In both cases the TSA agents tried to talk me out of not going through the scanner and both clearly said there is "No radiation" emitted by their devices. As in zero.

I wanted to ask them if they thought the images of my nether regions appeared via "magic porno internetsTM" on their screens, just like at home?

/boggle
 
2012-05-08 12:38:12 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: That's like being worried that a cell phone or laptop would be damaged by going through the scanner.


Not really. If your cell phone or laptop is damaged, you won't die or suffer health problems as a result. The certification process for medical equipment is quite different, and the manufacturer is simply saying they can't certify that it will continue functioning as designed after going through one of the TSA's useless devices.

Nobody wants to be the next Therac-25 lawsuit.
 
2012-05-08 12:49:07 PM  

me texan: The last two times I've gone through the airport I've declined the scanner and received a pat down. In both cases the TSA agents tried to talk me out of not going through the scanner and both clearly said there is "No radiation" emitted by their devices. As in zero.


Weird. I fly about once a month so I always opt out. I have never had someone try and talk me out of it.
 
2012-05-08 01:07:10 PM  
FTFA: "So I went through with my pump. Some part of me knew that it wasn't okay, but when someone in a position of authority is telling you it is, you think that it's right,""

Her parents really need to have a talk with her, that is no way to go through life.
 
2012-05-08 01:07:14 PM  
The TSA are scum. If you work for them YOU are scum.

TSA represents one of the biggest threats to America today.
 
2012-05-08 01:08:03 PM  
""I was like, 'Are you sure that I can go through with this insulin pump? It's not going to hurt the pump at all?' And she was like, 'No, no you're fine.' So I went through with my pump. Some part of me knew that it wasn't okay, but when someone in a position of authority is telling you it is, you think that it's right," said Barry."

Sounds like she's being coached
 
2012-05-08 01:08:05 PM  
looks like my pump has been broken for a while then... or not.
 
2012-05-08 01:08:06 PM  
Useless article & mindless scare article.
Some things do not have to be "certified" to know they wont damage them.
 
2012-05-08 01:08:38 PM  
Well, if I combine this headline with the article about fat black women from the entertainment tab and combine them in the Trollomatic 3000, I get this:

TSA trying to kill 25% of black women.
 
2012-05-08 01:08:59 PM  

Tomji: Useless article & mindless scare article.
Some things do not have to be "certified" to know they wont damage them.


You're a TSA apologist. You probably enjoy the groping.
 
2012-05-08 01:10:15 PM  
Diabetics are some of the most expensive people out there, universal healthcare will be much more affordable without them.

The TSA, saving us money while saving us from terrorists.

Those guys and gals are superheros.
 
2012-05-08 01:10:16 PM  

BiggityBanninated: The TSA are scum. If you work for them YOU are scum.

TSA represents one of the biggest threats to America today.


I am not sure what point you are trying to make but I wish you'd get to it.
 
2012-05-08 01:13:10 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: While I'm not a fan of the TSA, the article's opening line:

"16-year-old Savannah Barry said her $10,000 insulin pump was broken in the time it took for a TSA full-body scan."

Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.


This.

gilgigamesh: Gig103: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.

FTA: [The manufacturer] can't guarantee that the software isn't damaged by the TSA's technology that they use, so her blood sugar could run high or her blood sugar could run low

Maybe a little premature to call it broken, but the girl couldn't use the machine because the TSA was stupid and forced her through a scanner she didn't even want to go through.

I'm no fan of the TSA, certainly, but the girl wasn't forced to do anything.

You can opt out. Granted, she's a kid, and they probably should have gone out of their way to tell her she didn't have to go through if she was concerned about the equipment, as opposed to relying on their GED in medicine to give her medical advice. But it is a stretch to say she had no choice here.


And this. She had the option to opt out all along. She didn't exercise it.

I see nothing TSA did wrong, except maybe not offer the best advice. Also - why was she carrying a liquid through the body scanner? You're kidding me with this level of ignorance. She's not going to die between the time it takes to put the juice in the xray box and when she grabs it on the other side.

I travel nearly every week. I HATE TSA. But this is a completely non-story where all blame falls directly on the girl herself.
 
2012-05-08 01:13:18 PM  

gilgigamesh: Weird. I fly about once a month so I always opt out. I have never had someone try and talk me out of it.


... Am I the only one who thinks it's depressing that people talk about gate rape as if it's totally normal, makes any sort of sense and is not a violation of every basic human right?
 
2012-05-08 01:13:46 PM  
If you state out loud to a tsa worker that said device 'won't blow up a 747', I'm pretty sure the tsa will take will just take your word for it and let you on the plane without any recourse.
 
2012-05-08 01:13:50 PM  

Carth: FTFA: "So I went through with my pump. Some part of me knew that it wasn't okay, but when someone in a position of authority is telling you it is, you think that it's right,""

Her parents really need to have a talk with her, that is no way to go through life.


It's not, but it is true that we seem to have a really, REALLY strong innate desire to please authority, even if it goes against our morals.

See: Milgram Experiment.
/The good news is knowing this can, hopefully, help you guard against it.
 
2012-05-08 01:13:59 PM  

neversubmit: BiggityBanninated: The TSA are scum. If you work for them YOU are scum.

TSA represents one of the biggest threats to America today.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make but I wish you'd get to it.


I don't know how you can stand existing. Anyone who supports the TSA is guilty of treason.
 
2012-05-08 01:14:24 PM  
My 10 year old daughter is a type I juvenile diabetes kid and has an Animas pump so I'm getting....

We've never had to fly since getting it but it has worried me for reasons like this*. Getting that pump working and setting basal rates really makes life better for a kid. Less needling and poking and serious spikes and valleys in bsg.

I didn't see anywhere in the article where it mentioned the girl or her mother asking if she could remove the pump for a personal look without sending it through scanners of any kind. I'd imagine 16 year old Savannah takes it off for regular showering? Did this not occur to any of them? I'm not a TSA fan, in fact quite the opposite and I'm also a big supprter of kids with juvenile diabetes, but in this instance, with the info presented I can't work up any indignation...yet!

*a bigger worry is when the pump is new and you lay in bed and wonder what happens if the pump was to misfire and deliver all that insulin at once in the middle of the night.
 
2012-05-08 01:14:27 PM  
My pump has been through the scanners many, many times. No problem at all.

And the juice? Nope, you can't buy that anywhere else in the airport past the scanners.
 
2012-05-08 01:16:17 PM  

neversubmit: BiggityBanninated: The TSA are scum. If you work for them YOU are scum.

TSA represents one of the biggest threats to America today.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make but I wish you'd get to it.


TSA needs to go, period, I think that's the point. It does nothing, *has* done nothing, and is only making things worse.
 
2012-05-08 01:16:24 PM  
Nobody cares. They algorithm all our emails, monitor our cells, facial identify with video cameras, photo our license plates, parse and store most Web activity. Very little of this makes us safer, but very much of it is ridiculous, intrusive, and questionable. Welcome to post 9/11 Panopticon USA. TSA could care less -- no one is stopping them or anyone else in authority since 9/11. Just keep the paychecks coming.
 
2012-05-08 01:16:25 PM  
I was selected for a full body scan, I opted out, and the TSA agent was courteous and did his job.

I've been frisked going into concerts before, this is really no different.

Personally, I think the TSA should be manned by Vets coming back from the Middle East. They're looking for jobs, they're actually trained, and if they are wearing a real uniform, people would be a lot more likely to respect them (and vice versa) than a glorified mall cop that people thing TSA is.

*shrug* Just my opinion.
 
2012-05-08 01:16:26 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: That's like being worried that a cell phone or laptop would be damaged by going through the scanner.

They're not magic radiation waves.


I have had an insulin pump for 2 years. The manufacturer warns you against taking it near any kind of MRI, X-ray, CT scanner, or airport scanner. They even provide a wallet card you can hand to the TSA. When I flew from PHL to MCO last year, I brought the card along with a note from my doctor and a printout of the TSA web site, quoting the regulations requiring the TSA to hand-check medical devices instead of forcing them through a scanner. The TSA swabbed the pump and my hands for chemical traces and sent me on my way.

Oh, and my pump once got fried just by being too close to an MRI machine. I left the pump in the locker they give you for your wallet and keys. After the scan, I reconnected the pump and it seemed fine, but it was no longer putting out the right amount of insulin. By that night my blood sugar was over 300. Medtronic immediately overnighted me a new pump.

/csb
 
2012-05-08 01:16:38 PM  
"We want education. We want these TSA agents to be educated about diabetics and about insulin pumps....

See, that's the issue. If the apes that they give jobs to at the TSA were able to be educated, they wouldn't have the TSA as their only employment option in the first place.

These gorillas passed up on every opportunity to get educated their entire lives. they aren't going to smarten up now.
 
2012-05-08 01:17:21 PM  

BiggityBanninated: neversubmit: BiggityBanninated: The TSA are scum. If you work for them YOU are scum.

TSA represents one of the biggest threats to America today.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make but I wish you'd get to it.

I don't know how you can stand existing. Anyone who supports the TSA is guilty of treason.


encrypted-tbn1.google.com

"you assume too much"
 
2012-05-08 01:17:21 PM  
People with diseases. Should stay home.


/ am i doing it rigjt
 
2012-05-08 01:18:05 PM  
According to TSA's website, someone with a pump is supposed to get a pat-down and not have to go through the scanner. I checked this when I had to fly to a family function back in January. I was just diagnosed diabetic and was freaking out about my insulin, needles, etc. (I don't have a pump, though. Just the pen.) The agent I showed it to said "No problem," and I didnt even have to get scanned, just the metal detector.

Sounds like she was right to be concerned. The company couldn't guarantee the pump would function properly once fed through the magic porn-o-meter, and insulin reactions of any kind are something you don't really want to take a chance on.
 
2012-05-08 01:18:33 PM  

gilgigamesh: You can opt out.


FTA: "At that point I was really frustrated because what I really wanted was the pat-down in the first place," said Barry.

They ushered her through the scanner. The TSA agents are lazy. My coworker opted out and he argued for more than 5 minutes before they finally did the pat down. Winds up, the only male agent was on a break and they were stalling until his break finished. So she wanted a pat down and they insisted.
 
2012-05-08 01:21:42 PM  

Gig103: gilgigamesh: You can opt out.

FTA: "At that point I was really frustrated because what I really wanted was the pat-down in the first place," said Barry.

They ushered her through the scanner. The TSA agents are lazy. My coworker opted out and he argued for more than 5 minutes before they finally did the pat down. Winds up, the only male agent was on a break and they were stalling until his break finished. So she wanted a pat down and they insisted.


I fly every week. I opted out once. Most of the time I just go to the line that doesn't have the body scanner. When I opted out there was no arguing. I have never even seen anyone argue when opting out. More than likely they were yelling at the TSA about having to do the scanner/pat down at all, not about being forced into the scanner.
 
2012-05-08 01:22:13 PM  
The TSA needs a simple children's picture book at each station with color photographs of permissible medical devices.
 
2012-05-08 01:22:30 PM  
The reporter's name is Amanda Kost. There's a joke in there somewhere but not before I have more coffee.
 
2012-05-08 01:24:07 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.


The fact that the manufacturer gave her a brand new $10k pump to replace that one tells me that she has a valid reason to worry.
 
2012-05-08 01:24:35 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:
That's like being worried that a cell phone or laptop would be damaged by going through the scanner.


Really? Worrying that the clock on your laptop or cell phone isn't 100% correct or that it runs a bit slow or a bit fast is the same thing as worrying that your insulin pump might not work and that you might die?

It would have been more interesting if the pump had malfunctioned and then she went into diabetic shock and did some crazy stuff on the plane in her delirium.

The TSA has been doing this for too long now for this sort of thing to still be happening. There should be protocols in place for dealing with this and databases in place to know that 'little julie is flying today and that she's a diabetic with an insulin pump so lets not make this a complete nightmare for her and her family'.
 
2012-05-08 01:25:32 PM  
The TSA is a blight. If you support them or work for them, you are why we can no longer have a nice country.
 
2012-05-08 01:26:59 PM  
FTFA:"These aren't isolated incidences. They are occurring across the country, and we think that a way of ending that is to have better training by abolish the TSA," said Gordon.

Fixed that for them...
 
2012-05-08 01:27:27 PM  

Space_Poet: neversubmit: BiggityBanninated: The TSA are scum. If you work for them YOU are scum.

TSA represents one of the biggest threats to America today.

I am not sure what point you are trying to make but I wish you'd get to it.

TSA needs to go, period, I think that's the point. It does nothing, *has* done nothing, and is only making things worse.


That's nice dear, now does anyone have a plan, that has at least some chance of being successful?
 
2012-05-08 01:28:13 PM  
Sock it to 'em!

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2012-05-08 01:28:47 PM  
As for the pump, don't let the TSA bully you into going through the scanner. If you're concerned, take the pat down. I have no reason other than I don't want to go through it. Every time I fly, I make them pat me down. I don't like their little scanners, and it doesn't make me feel uncomfortable in the slightest. If it makes THEM uncomfortable, good. And if it makes other people watching think a little about the direction that this country is heading in, that's good too.

Now moving on to the juice she felt she needed to carry with her. That's just farking stupid. Carry one with you as far as the trash can right before the x-ray machine, and then throw it away. It was a 99 cent container of Capri Sun, not her insulin. Buy another at the Starbucks kiosk that is usually 20 feet past the security checkpoint inside the terminal. If your blood sugar is remotely under control, I promise you won't crash in the 5 minutes you will be without your precious juice, and you won't hold up things for everyone else while the mouthbreathers in the TSA try to read the note from your doctor that says you can have it.
 
2012-05-08 01:30:24 PM  
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RIP Dianetics

 
2012-05-08 01:30:52 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: gilgigamesh: Weird. I fly about once a month so I always opt out. I have never had someone try and talk me out of it.

... Am I the only one who thinks it's depressing that people talk about gate rape as if it's totally normal, makes any sort of sense and is not a violation of every basic human right?


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

The TSA does nothing to improve our safety while flying. Their sole purpose is to make the citizenry more used to intrusions into or personal rights.

/a little more each time.
 
2012-05-08 01:31:24 PM  

red5ish: The reporter's name is Amanda Kost. There's a joke in there somewhere but not before I have more coffee.


That would be a Kosta-Coffee, I'm presuming.

Also, TSA are stupid and pointless.
Also, pump manufacturers covering their arses.
 
2012-05-08 01:31:44 PM  
The vandal took the handle?
 
2012-05-08 01:31:49 PM  
security theater
 
2012-05-08 01:33:01 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: While I'm not a fan of the TSA, the article's opening line:

"16-year-old Savannah Barry said her $10,000 insulin pump was broken in the time it took for a TSA full-body scan."

Isn't supported by anything written in the rest of the article.


Read. Animus stated they cannot guarantee their software works in that situation. The TSA supposedly has a policy in place for diabetics and people with other medical issues. If you are on a pump and something may or may not be 100% - you don't fark around and assume it's working. It's BROKEN until tested and proven to not be broken.
 
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