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(Slate)   What ever happened to saving the rain forests? Did we save them?   (slate.com) divider line 26
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-05-08 11:53:26 AM
Last I heard Brazil had passed a bill replacing the unenforceable rainforest protection law with a new law selling out to development interests. Meanwhile, in Bolivia a controversial road won't be built. Meanwhile, in Washington and B.C. it still rains 400 days per year and the rainforest is doing fine. So by my count 2/3 of rainforests have been saved.

(Please note my count comes with a 50% statistical margin of error plus unknown systematic errors.)
 
2012-05-08 12:45:46 PM
Anyone know where I can get some cheap old growth teak?
 
2012-05-08 12:59:18 PM
Shooting the illegal loggers would work.

/Too obvious?

Anyway, we're all supposed to die this year, so why worry.
 
2012-05-08 01:00:59 PM
yup, all saved. Humankind has seen the error of our ways, and we'll all be living more sustainably now. Here's an artist's depiction of how the future will look:

img10.imageshack.us
 
2012-05-08 01:03:41 PM
After Cartman went to Costa Rica and realized the rainforests suck, there wasn't much point anymore.
 
2012-05-08 01:04:02 PM
Recycling didn't slow down deforestation in the slightest.

You're just helping them make even more money.
 
2012-05-08 01:06:49 PM
Dont worry. It grows back.
 
2012-05-08 01:10:37 PM
Clash City Farker: Dont worry. It grows back.

Still waiting for the worlds deserts to grow back into forests.
 
2012-05-08 01:21:20 PM
STOP KONY
 
2012-05-08 01:26:28 PM
Me? I thought you saved them. Oh, you know what? I stuck them in the doggy bag and left them on the table at the restaurant. Sorry.
 
2012-05-08 01:27:50 PM
The same amount of Africans saved from starvation and lives recovered in the successful War on Poverty I should think.

So long as a small group of people can create a "tip jar" that will support a comfortable lifestyle and/or give millionaire wives something to do in their spare time to keep them occupied there will always be unresolved crises that will require our immediate attention BUT NOT our close inspection or participation.
 
2012-05-08 01:45:53 PM
Nobody cares because global warming is much more important. Ignore toxins in our soil air and water and dwindling ecosystems and ecological diversity. Now you can be 'green' by buying an overpriced hybrid car and then use it to commute, alone, for long distances every day and still be 'making a difference'.
 
2012-05-08 01:48:19 PM
J. Frank Parnell: Clash City Farker: Dont worry. It grows back.

Still waiting for the worlds deserts to grow back into forests.


About that...
 
2012-05-08 01:51:45 PM
While logging obviously exerts pressure on the forests, a major factor of deforestation is due to local slash-and-burn agriculture. Many of these people are living hand to mouth, and if they need additional land for crops or for cattle grazing, they'll burn the forest. Of course, these fires can rapidly go out of control and burn much more than intended. This compounded with an 'edge effect' that drives desertification increases the amount lost, and will not recover even if left alone.

There are international efforts right now to improve the lives of the people in these systems, which would allow them to coexist with the land more sustainably. It's a social effort as much as it is an environmental one. After all, if you do not have security in the basic needs of life, you aren't really going to be able to afford to worry about the health of rainforest.
 
2012-05-08 01:52:13 PM
Nah, we finally realized that plowing over every inch of land in the US for strip malls and townhouses and then whining about clearing rain forest land was hypocritical.
 
2012-05-08 03:07:28 PM
Egoy3k: Nobody cares because global warming

This.
 
Ant
2012-05-08 03:13:29 PM
Yeah, right after we saved the whales, but before we freed Tibet. Where've you been, under a rock?
 
Ant
2012-05-08 03:15:34 PM
sure haven't: STOP KONY

I posted that as my Facebook status, but nothing happened! WTF?!?
 
2012-05-08 03:23:15 PM
We increased the productivity of crops over 70% since the early 1900's -- then paid farmers not to grow to keep the cost of food level.

We increased the amount of meat, developing faster growing, heavier animals and out came assorted tales of hormone injections giving prepubescent girls boobs too soon, cow farts wrecking the Ozone layer, Mad Cow disease and mysterious beef shortages. Then the cost of meat doubled and tripled.

We developed major changes in food plants -- and promptly rigged it so farmers could not harvest the seeds to reduce the cost of next years crops. Developers moved in buying up rich farmland and plunking down miles of homes, condos and buildings.

We selected a primary, universal food crop to make Ethanol fuel, ignoring all of the rest, and food prices jumped across the board. This increase and subsequent grain shortage also affected nations heavily dependent on our crop exports.

Plus we import major amounts of food from other nations, meaning in poor ones, there's less for the natives. The old Irish Potato famine philosophy: strip your farmers of everything edible, sell it for major profits and as the growers starve, kick them off your land.

With no real adequate programs in place in nations where the Rainforest flourishes, farmers tend to use the slash and burn method, which is good only for one or two seasons, then needs to be done again elsewhere. Plus, the local governments are capitalizing on the demand for rare woods, more development, oil drilling and facing expanding populations and choose not to worry about the vanishing forest.

Then you can't forget the thriving Poaching business and the nearly inevitable drug farms run by cartels.

When it comes to a poor nation listening to a rich nation biatch about them using up their vital Rainforest, the poor nation will note the rich nation's fat population and tons of luxury goods, all bought with MONEY, look at the money from exploiting the Rainforest, and tell the rich nation to go to hell.
 
2012-05-08 04:08:04 PM
Nope.
 
2012-05-08 04:57:58 PM
God subby. I'm not sure if you meant to be that funny, but Cola came out my nose.
 
2012-05-08 05:04:01 PM
There's still a rainforest?
 
2012-05-08 08:13:12 PM
Ant: Yeah, right after we saved the whales, but before we freed Tibet. Where've you been, under a rock?

Wait wait wait....

We were supposed to save the whales?

globetribune.info

Hoo-boy....is my face red
 
2012-05-08 09:55:25 PM
Libs have no commitment to their pet causes. They only support what is trendy and what requires no real sacrifice of themselves
 
2012-05-09 12:41:47 AM
Nemo's Brother: Libs have no commitment to their pet causes. They only support what is trendy and what requires no real sacrifice of themselves

Yeah, well, conservatives are all fat.
 
2012-05-09 08:47:48 AM
I toured some rainforest around the Peruvian Amazon. It really is marvelous and breathtaking and I absolutely believe it's worth saving. However, I don't live there. It's an easy thing for me to say. It's so beautiful and loud and full of wonder and danger. It is precious; simple as that. It's sad to see it being lost.
 
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