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2012-05-08 04:02:09 PM
Are they sure it wasn't a hoodie?
Did she have Skittles?
'Cause that's a shootin'.
 
2012-05-08 04:06:07 PM

jigger: Now that I can see a picture (no flash):

Link

[ironicsurrealism.com image 524x354]

That's not a burka. That's a hijab and veil.

And she has her arms exposed, so she's not doing it right. Probably some dumb Nation of Islam biatch.


That's no burka.....it's a terrorist.
 
2012-05-08 04:09:43 PM

jigger: And she has her arms exposed, so she's not doing it right. Probably some dumb Nation of Islam biatch.


No, the NoI expects women to cover their arms (and legs) as well. I'd say is one of those people loosely associated with the Nation but not actually part of it.

/grew up in West Philly, learned to tell the difference between real Muslims and wannabes a long time ago
 
2012-05-08 04:12:33 PM

sprawl15: BMulligan: The state of New Jersey allows drivers' license applicants to provide their own photographs?

Here's a breakdown (PDF warning).

New Jersey disallowed facial covering in mid 2003.


That's interesting and all, but I didn't see anything there about the applicant being permitted to provide her own photograph.
 
2012-05-08 04:15:44 PM

OregonVet: [itsokaywhenwedoit.jpg]

According to a White House pool report, photographers observed the woman being escorted out of the gym by Richmond police


Who exactly do you think is the other half of your implied double standard? Obama did not personally escort this woman out. You knew that, right?
 
2012-05-08 04:18:29 PM

count chocula: What I don't get is apparently these people don't feel like they inherently know right from wrong, they must be told what is right and wrong by their religious institution.


Because the whole purpose is to put identity into the institution, not the individual. It gives cohesion and common purpose. It is the same way nationalism works. You can get a country to do some crazy things if you can get them to do so is patriotic, and otherwise will serve to put the country into enemy hands. You don't have to try very hard to come up with examples where nationalism supported morally deplorable solutions to non-real problems.
 
2012-05-08 04:20:41 PM

BMulligan: sprawl15: BMulligan: The state of New Jersey allows drivers' license applicants to provide their own photographs?

Here's a breakdown (PDF warning).

New Jersey disallowed facial covering in mid 2003.

That's interesting and all, but I didn't see anything there about the applicant being permitted to provide her own photograph.


That's part of why it's called an 'exemption'.
 
2012-05-08 04:23:47 PM

jigger: And she has her arms exposed, so she's not doing it right. Probably some dumb Nation of Islam Tea Party biatch.

 
2012-05-08 04:24:28 PM
I join the majority here in saying the biatch was being a biatch and that's why she got kicked out. Also, Romney would have personally stoned her to death. Also, you're being a racist when you call him the messiah.
 
2012-05-08 04:27:21 PM
I have no problem with cracking down on burkas the same way the French do. They're tools of oppression and the women rarely have a choice.
 
2012-05-08 04:28:42 PM

sprawl15: BMulligan: sprawl15: BMulligan: The state of New Jersey allows drivers' license applicants to provide their own photographs?

Here's a breakdown (PDF warning).

New Jersey disallowed facial covering in mid 2003.

That's interesting and all, but I didn't see anything there about the applicant being permitted to provide her own photograph.

That's part of why it's called an 'exemption'.


The fark are you talking about?
 
2012-05-08 04:31:43 PM
If I was trying to cover up the fact that I was a secret Muslim I would kick out a woman in a burka just to throw the haters off my trail.
 
2012-05-08 04:32:05 PM

Wayne 985: I have no problem with cracking down on burkas the same way the French do. They're tools of oppression and the women rarely have a choice.


I'm okay with this as long as crucifixes and American flag lapel pins are also prohibited.
 
2012-05-08 04:32:41 PM

BMulligan: I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshiat. If that woman was actually 6'3", she'd be wearing a New York Liberty uniform, not a burka.


I saw a shirt the other day, it said "No I do not play Basketball".

/It was at a "shop" for tall women
//More of a convention thing, really.
///I'm 6'3, couldn't get me to play Basketball. Too much running.
 
2012-05-08 04:32:44 PM

Cletus C.: I join the majority here in saying the biatch was being a biatch and that's why she got kicked out. Also, Romney would have personally stoned her to death. Also, you're being a racist when you call him the messiah.


WTF are you blathering about?

Sense.

You make none.
 
2012-05-08 04:33:59 PM

Philip J. Fry: JesusJuice: I'm okay with this, even if she was kicked out only for wearing the burka. It's a disgusting symbol of provincialsm, sexism, ang regressiveness. We wouldn't have a problem if someone got kicked out for wearing a swastika, the burka is just as barbaric.

Or it's an empowering shield against men's aggressive sexuality where any exposed skin on a woman gives them cause to leer and comment.


I didn't know you're a Muslim. So, how is it living in a nation driven to insane levels of fear by fear-mongering morons in the Republican party?
 
2012-05-08 04:34:07 PM

BMulligan: Wayne 985: I have no problem with cracking down on burkas the same way the French do. They're tools of oppression and the women rarely have a choice.

I'm okay with this as long as crucifixes and American flag lapel pins are also prohibited.


well if the crucifix or pin is covering the person's face, than I would agree.

otherwise, stfu.
 
2012-05-08 04:37:10 PM

BMulligan: Wayne 985: I have no problem with cracking down on burkas the same way the French do. They're tools of oppression and the women rarely have a choice.

I'm okay with this as long as crucifixes and American flag lapel pins are also prohibited.


I didn't realize anyone was forced to wear a cross or American flag pin. Unlike the Muslim women who are treated like dogs and forced to wear beekeeper suits.
 
2012-05-08 04:39:12 PM

Lando Lincoln: I'm not going to read the article. I'm just going to go on my merry way believing that the Obama campaign team kicked her out just because she was wearing a burkha.


Ill assume she tried to begin a MIC CHECK!
 
2012-05-08 04:43:42 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Judging by her reaction...


She was no where near the stage & wasn't clear that the Prez even heard it. What a croc.
 
2012-05-08 04:44:42 PM
Potentially she could have been removed due to the hijab, I could see the Secret Service not exactly taking kindly to people sitting around the President in costumes that disguise their identifying features, seems like the exact kind of thing to make security personnel twitchy.

If you want to wear a disguise around someone who's regularly targeted for assassination (admittedly usually in an incompetent way) then you should get used to being asked by their bodyguards to consider Skype from another county as an alternative. Religion can only be allowed to override practical concerns to a certain limited extent.

It's sort of the same as Sikhs not generally being allowed in stabbing range of public figures if they're orthodox and unwilling to surrender the kirpan.
 
2012-05-08 04:49:21 PM

Jackson Herring: BKITU: And what about your cupla do you want us to know?

could use a cupla drinks right about now


mea too
 
2012-05-08 04:51:15 PM

Wayne 985: BMulligan: Wayne 985: I have no problem with cracking down on burkas the same way the French do. They're tools of oppression and the women rarely have a choice.

I'm okay with this as long as crucifixes and American flag lapel pins are also prohibited.

I didn't realize anyone was forced to wear a cross or American flag pin. Unlike the Muslim women who are treated like dogs and forced to wear beekeeper suits.


I'm curious - how many Muslim women do you actually know?

And of course you're right, no one is required to wear a flag pin (unless he wants to be elected president).
 
2012-05-08 04:55:54 PM

LarryDan43: Lando Lincoln: I'm not going to read the article. I'm just going to go on my merry way believing that the Obama campaign team kicked her out just because she was wearing a burkha.

Ill assume she tried to begin a MIC CHECK!


I'm going to assume the Richmond police thought she was disrespectfully close to Ground Zero.
 
2012-05-08 04:56:27 PM

BravadoGT: Aarontology: OregonVet: [itsokaywhenwedoit.jpg]

She was removed for being disruptive, not because of her faith or what she was wearing.

It doesn't say that anywhere in that article. The video shows her shouting (presumably, for Obama to save her), but she's already in custody and being escorted out by then.

The whole things smacks of racism, misogyny, Islamophobia and hate.

Shouting during a rally? Apparently, not allowed--unless you're repeating what someone with a megaphone just said to you...


So, how is that job at Fox News going?
 
2012-05-08 05:01:51 PM

BMulligan: Wayne 985: BMulligan: Wayne 985: I have no problem with cracking down on burkas the same way the French do. They're tools of oppression and the women rarely have a choice.

I'm okay with this as long as crucifixes and American flag lapel pins are also prohibited.

I didn't realize anyone was forced to wear a cross or American flag pin. Unlike the Muslim women who are treated like dogs and forced to wear beekeeper suits.

I'm curious - how many Muslim women do you actually know?

And of course you're right, no one is required to wear a flag pin (unless he wants to be elected president).


I've met a few and I couldn't care less if they're Muslim. What I care about are fundie men who have their wives in full burkas, walking several paces behind them, and disallowed to speak.

I see that and I want to give the dude a black eye. It's on par with forcing women to wear leashes and dog collars and should constitute abuse.
 
2012-05-08 05:03:08 PM
I was at this event.

Honestly? It wasn't really a story. At almost any political rally, there are crazy people who act like idiots, yell nonsense, cause disruptions, and get kicked out. Most of them draw no attention after they're escorted outside, the only reason this is news is because this person happened to be wearing a burka. That's truly the beginning and the end of it.
 
2012-05-08 05:03:48 PM
Well, I read the article, it was actually a pretty good read. One thing stood out though, the part about the woman in the burka was no longer than the headline itself. There is simply no information regarding it, other than she was escorted out and was shouting loudly on the way.

Soooooooo, troll thread?
 
2012-05-08 05:11:05 PM
while she appears to have a burka on, i wouldn't say she was wearing that burka.

/oh no he didn't!
 
2012-05-08 05:13:11 PM
I fully expect that once the 'yelling person gets ejected regardless of clothing' story is found to have no traction, the Fox News version will be "Woman wearing a burka allowed into Obama event."
 
2012-05-08 05:15:07 PM

BMulligan: The fark are you talking about?


If someone has a religious exemption from any photograph on their drivers' license, do they have to specifically take no picture at the DMV, or can they just not bring in their own picture?
 
2012-05-08 05:20:36 PM

LabGrrl: I fully expect that once the 'yelling person gets ejected regardless of clothing' story is found to have no traction, the Fox News version will be "Woman wearing a burka allowed into Obama event."


A story having no traction among sane people has never stopped the Republican Propaganda Network from shouting it from the rooftops.
 
2012-05-08 05:22:05 PM
I could see her legs, that doesn't seem very burka-ey to me.

As for women who wear burkas or abayas and cover their hair: good for them! Whenever I've gone into public in an abaya and hijab, people either stare or completely divert their eyes. I'm sure in time one gets used to it, but they shouldn't have to. Women from many religions cover their hair and dress modestly, that doesn't mean that they're invisible or a monster.

Also, as a Muslim, I'm very self conscious about prayer at work. I'm afraid someone is going to assume that I'm up to no good and call security on me when all I'm doing is praying. If I was a Christian and praying, nobody would bat an eye...but add a hijab, and it's a national security issue.

Allah and the Christian God are the same being. The more I learn about Islam, the more I see the similarities with Christianity. The worship method has just been modified for a different audience.
 
2012-05-08 05:22:35 PM

sprawl15: BMulligan: The fark are you talking about?

If someone has a religious exemption from any photograph on their drivers' license, do they have to specifically take no picture at the DMV, or can they just not bring in their own picture?


I don't know; that's pretty much exactly what I was asking tenpoundsofderp. My assumption is that the nice lady at the DMV goes ahead and takes a picture of you with your headscarf or veil or burka or whatever, but I may be wrong about that. Personally, I doubt very much that any state permits drivers' license applicants to provide their own photographs (for technical reasons, if no other - here in Washington, the camera captures the text information and creates the license). I was prepared to give Troll Boy an opportunity to prove his extraordinary claim, however, before calling him a liar.
 
2012-05-08 05:24:25 PM

LordJiro: LabGrrl: I fully expect that once the 'yelling person gets ejected regardless of clothing' story is found to have no traction, the Fox News version will be "Woman wearing a burka allowed into Obama event."

A story having no traction among sane people has never stopped the Republican Propaganda Network from shouting it from the rooftops.


Would they want to shout that an Obama event removed a Muslim and consider it a bad thing? Given their audience?
 
2012-05-08 05:24:31 PM

jigger: That's not a burka. That's a hijab and veil.

And she has her arms exposed, so she's not doing it right. Probably some dumb Nation of Islam biatch republican plant


FTFY
 
2012-05-08 05:24:59 PM

jigger: And she has her arms exposed, so she's not doing it right. Probably some dumb Nation of Islam biatch.



"She" ?

ironicsurrealism.com

That looks like a manly bicep and a hairy forearm. Now I know some women are like that, but yeesh... that is one butch looking arm. I would not be at all surprised if that's a man, baby.
=Smidge=
 
2012-05-08 05:25:02 PM

EmmaLou: I could see her legs, that doesn't seem very burka-ey to me.

As for women who wear burkas or abayas and cover their hair: good for them! Whenever I've gone into public in an abaya and hijab, people either stare or completely divert their eyes. I'm sure in time one gets used to it, but they shouldn't have to. Women from many religions cover their hair and dress modestly, that doesn't mean that they're invisible or a monster.

Also, as a Muslim, I'm very self conscious about prayer at work. I'm afraid someone is going to assume that I'm up to no good and call security on me when all I'm doing is praying. If I was a Christian and praying, nobody would bat an eye...but add a hijab, and it's a national security issue.

Allah and the Christian God are the same being. The more I learn about Islam, the more I see the similarities with Christianity. The worship method has just been modified for a different audience.


If Christianity had taken hold in the Middle East instead of Islam, and nothing else had changed, you'd have the exact same problems, just under a cross instead of a crescent. See places like Uganda.

It's not the specific religion that's the problem. It's theocrats taking over already-unstable countries.
 
2012-05-08 05:25:33 PM

mpirooz: Well, I read the article, it was actually a pretty good read. One thing stood out though, the part about the woman in the burka was no longer than the headline itself. There is simply no information regarding it, other than she was escorted out and was shouting loudly on the way.


Exactly.

"Woman, who may have been disruptive given that she was shouting, was led out by security."

"Yeah, lets go with that."

Next up on political coverage 2012: "Obama wears red tie: Is he thinking of switching parties?"
 
2012-05-08 05:28:17 PM

BMulligan: My assumption is that the nice lady at the DMV goes ahead and takes a picture of you with your headscarf or veil or burka or whatever, but I may be wrong about that. Personally, I doubt very much that any state permits drivers' license applicants to provide their own photographs (for technical reasons, if no other - here in Washington, the camera captures the text information and creates the license). I was prepared to give Troll Boy an opportunity to prove his extraordinary claim, however, before calling him a liar.


Re-read what I posted:

sprawl15: If someone has a religious exemption from any photograph on their drivers' license, do they have to specifically take no picture at the DMV, or can they just not bring in their own picture?


There's a reason I said 'any photograph', and that's because with religious exemptions, you're exempt from the whole photographic process. If you aren't required to have a photograph at all, they don't require your appearance to be validated during your license process, so there's no reason for them to need a validated picture of your sweet face mask. It offers nothing by default.

The only question is if they'd offer a religious exemption, which NJ didn't at the time that photoshopped license was supposedly issued.
 
2012-05-08 05:28:54 PM

WizardofToast: LordJiro: LabGrrl: I fully expect that once the 'yelling person gets ejected regardless of clothing' story is found to have no traction, the Fox News version will be "Woman wearing a burka allowed into Obama event."

A story having no traction among sane people has never stopped the Republican Propaganda Network from shouting it from the rooftops.

Would they want to shout that an Obama event removed a Muslim and consider it a bad thing? Given their audience?


Their audience will accept that it's bad if Fox says it's bad.

The talking point will be 'Obama is a hypocrite, Democrats are the REAL racists'. Count on it.
 
2012-05-08 05:30:23 PM

Wayne 985: I've met a few and I couldn't care less if they're Muslim. What I care about are fundie men who have their wives in full burkas, walking several paces behind them, and disallowed to speak.

I see that and I want to give the dude a black eye. It's on par with forcing women to wear leashes and dog collars and should constitute abuse.


I'll presume you're sincere in your concern for women's rights. So, let me ask you - does your disgust extend to the Mars Hill Church here in Seattle, which demands that those members who are married women be entirely subservient to their husbands?

By the way, I know a few Muslim women who wear the veil entirely by choice, informed by their understanding of the requirements of their faith. It strikes me as weird, but no weirder than my mother's refusal to enter any Catholic church with her head uncovered.
 
2012-05-08 05:30:34 PM

EmmaLou: I could see her legs, that doesn't seem very burka-ey to me.


True.

Women from many religions cover their hair and dress modestly, that doesn't mean that they're invisible or a monster.

Dressing modestly or covering your hair is not akin to wearing a full burka. Regardless, you're right that it doesn't make them a monster, but the burka itself should be criticized.

...Also, as a Muslim, I'm very self conscious about prayer at work. I'm afraid someone is going to assume that I'm up to no good and call security on me when all I'm doing is praying. If I was a Christian and praying, nobody would bat an eye...but add a hijab, and it's a national security issue...

They wouldn't? I've worked in a few places. Never a single place where someone stopped what they were doing and began praying.

I wouldn't be upset if they did, but it would certainly raise an eyebrow out of curiosity.
 
2012-05-08 05:34:27 PM

BMulligan: I'll presume you're sincere in your concern for women's rights. So, let me ask you - does your disgust extend to the Mars Hill Church here in Seattle, which demands that those members who are married women be entirely subservient to their husbands?


Yes.

By the way, I know a few Muslim women who wear the veil entirely by choice, informed by their understanding of the requirements of their faith. It strikes me as weird, but no weirder than my mother's refusal to enter any Catholic church with her head uncovered.

I think that's bordering on Stockholm Syndrome. A head scarf is pretty tame and I don't see it as different from a Jewish man wearing a yarmulke. The full bee keeper outfit is pure misogyny though.
 
2012-05-08 05:35:57 PM

sprawl15: There's a reason I said 'any photograph', and that's because with religious exemptions, you're exempt from the whole photographic process. If you aren't required to have a photograph at all, they don't require your appearance to be validated during your license process, so there's no reason for them to need a validated picture of your sweet face mask. It offers nothing by default.


I don't see the connection at all. There's a big difference between "no photograph" and a nonstandard photograph. I can send my son to school without the otherwise required vaccinations if I claim a religious exemption, but that doesn't mean I can send him to school with his own DTP vaccine and a hypodermic needle.
 
2012-05-08 05:47:41 PM

BMulligan: There's a big difference between "no photograph" and a nonstandard photograph.


The purpose of the state taking the photograph is to ensure that you're the person in the photograph. If the photograph is not going to recognizably be you (because you don't have a photograph or you have a cardboard box on your head or whatever), then the purpose is undermined and it really doesn't matter any more who takes that picture.

BMulligan: I can send my son to school without the otherwise required vaccinations if I claim a religious exemption, but that doesn't mean I can send him to school with his own DTP vaccine and a hypodermic needle.


Now I'm not seeing the connection. If your religion frowns on vaccines, why would you give him all the vaccination materials? That's like a religion that frowns on pictures walking in with a box full of perfect drivers' license photos and waving them under the DMV guy's nose saying YOU CAN'T HAVE THESE NYAH NYAH.
 
2012-05-08 05:48:44 PM

Wayne 985: BMulligan: I'll presume you're sincere in your concern for women's rights. So, let me ask you - does your disgust extend to the Mars Hill Church here in Seattle, which demands that those members who are married women be entirely subservient to their husbands?

Yes.


Then I imagine you'll support my demand that their bumper stickers be banned as a symbol of misogyny and oppression, right?

By the way, I know a few Muslim women who wear the veil entirely by choice, informed by their understanding of the requirements of their faith. It strikes me as weird, but no weirder than my mother's refusal to enter any Catholic church with her head uncovered.

I think that's bordering on Stockholm Syndrome. A head scarf is pretty tame and I don't see it as different from a Jewish man wearing a yarmulke. The full bee keeper outfit is pure misogyny though.


It's in no way misogynistic, in my opinion, if it's worn entirely by choice. If I may digress - last night, my kid was watching The Voice. One of the contestants performed a version of Jay-Z's "99 Problems." Christina Aguilera got all huffy, complaining about the anti-woman message of the song which, she seemed to suggest, contributes to the objectification of women - while her tits were hanging out of her dress on national TV! Your argument sort of reminded me of her.

/Loves Christina Aguilera's tits
//Not so fond of her mind
 
2012-05-08 05:51:55 PM

Talondel: Diogenes: That really surprises me.

lockers: That jives with my experience, even with the more enlightened woman I have dated. There is at least one parent who worries about me screwing up the kids by not going along with fairy tales.

Ed Grubermann: Doesn't surprise me at all. Think about it. Someone with a different religion might be worshiping the wrong god, or the wrong version of God, but at least they have faith. Us atheists have rejected one of the central pillars of their worldview. Many can't see how we can possibly turn away the greatest gift their god gave them: their faith.

It surprised me as well.

I'm an atheist that was raised Catholic and educated by Jesuits (most of the atheists I know are the product of a Jesuit education, but that's an entire conversation unto itself). I am still 'in the closet' simply because I know that many of my friends and family would react horribly, my in-laws in particular.

I believe it's because for them, their entire moral system is based around a belief in God. If you pull God out of their moral system, the entire thing collapses. If there is no God then there is no reason to be a good person, to obey the law, to treat others well, to marry, etc. Yet here I am, an atheist who is married (in a church no less) who has never had a problem with the law more serious than a speeding ticket, who is (I think) generally well respected in the community, and an all around upstanding citizen who is also a decent husband and friend.

I'm not proud of the fact that I hide my beliefs but I'm all too aware of the prejudices out there both in my family and in my profession to 'come out.' Ironically, I work in profession the prides itself on diversity, but diversity seems to mean people of all religions, not people who aren't religious).


I feel your pain. I too am a closet atheist. My wife to her friend, which happens to be a very close friend of the family. My wife outed me(the day before we married) and her friend(maid of honor) didn't really get mad. I think it really broke her heart. She had a look on her face like a kid that was told santa is not real. And I said to her,"Does that change your opinion of me?" And she replied,"Yes, a little." I said,"That's a shame, we've always regarded each other as family until I told you that. Whst does my belief or non-belief have to do with our relationship?"

Then left it at that. But my wife told me she is starting to question her religion. Looking at her religion a little more objectively.
 
2012-05-08 05:54:28 PM
sorry for grammar. At work.
 
2012-05-08 06:08:56 PM

sprawl15: Now I'm not seeing the connection. If your religion frowns on vaccines, why would you give him all the vaccination materials? That's like a religion that frowns on pictures walking in with a box full of perfect drivers' license photos and waving them under the DMV guy's nose saying YOU CAN'T HAVE THESE NYAH NYAH.


Look, let's stop arguing at cross-purposes over hypotheticals. Simply provide a single citation in support of the original suggestion that New Jerseypermits a drivers' license applicant, for whatever reason, to provide his or her own photograph. Do that, and I'll concede the point to the troll for whom you are white knighting. Otherwise, we're done here.
 
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