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2012-05-08 01:43:24 PM
heh, I almost forgot. My motorcycle key is on an AADA key fob I got at a Gencon in the '80s.
 
2012-05-08 01:59:41 PM
I loved these games too, but I still don't see why they need $700K... Maybe I just don't get Kickstarter?
 
2012-05-08 02:17:01 PM

NowhereMon: mongbiohazard: I just squealed with delight. Car Wars really needs a PC game I think. There was that old Autoduel game way, way back... and there have been vehicular combat games, but I'm dying to see an actual RPG which involves auto combat and where you can build/customize your vehicle too.

Interstate 76 wasn't too bad.


THIS!

/"Never get out of the car."
 
2012-05-08 02:30:15 PM
So excited for OGRE.
 
2012-05-08 02:50:06 PM

OrbitalFerret: I loved these games too, but I still don't see why they need $700K... Maybe I just don't get Kickstarter?


it costs money to run the printing press, and they wanted to make sure there was interest before they made a run of product.
 
2012-05-08 03:02:55 PM
Paranoia :)
www.andycollins.net
 
2012-05-08 03:22:10 PM
AutoDuel would make the best MMORPG ever.
 
2012-05-08 03:23:39 PM

hubiestubert: Gunderson: Mint!

Now I want Boot Hill and Top Secret next...

They sort of did a reboot of Star Frontiers with D20.

Next: OGRE!


There is a new Ogre already in the works. Check it out on kickstarter.
 
2012-05-08 03:26:30 PM

Hebalo: Kickstarter is the ultimate business model. Your customers assume 100% of the risk, you reap 100% of the reward.


I'm waiting for a big company to use it as ransomware...

"Want the next season of your favorite TV show? Better pony up $5 million in advance. Your 'gift' of 50 bucks gives you the DVD boxed set for the next season when it's all out".

"Hey, it's EA here. Remember that cool gaming company we bought out? Well, now we're not really sure if you reaaaaaly want their next title, so if you contribute 70 bucks, you'll get a copy of the game, but only if we get enough to cover the entire production budget"
 
2012-05-08 03:30:29 PM

NowhereMon: mongbiohazard: I just squealed with delight. Car Wars really needs a PC game I think. There was that old Autoduel game way, way back... and there have been vehicular combat games, but I'm dying to see an actual RPG which involves auto combat and where you can build/customize your vehicle too.

Interstate 76 wasn't too bad.


It was a fun game even though the graphics were terrible even when it was new. Loved those hexagon wheels.
 
2012-05-08 04:14:01 PM

Mr_H: hubiestubert: Gunderson: Mint!
//Star Frontiers was just too damn much fun
///except Zebulons Guide rules, wtf?


Zeb's Guide was a complete curveball compared to the original ruleset (especially since they gave no meaningful guide to converting your character from the old rules to the new) , but if you took a bunch of rookies who had never played classic Star Frontiers Alpha Dawn before and started them on Zeb's Guide rules it was actually relatively fast moving and fun. Of course, once you tried to take them into Knight Hawks territory you were completely boned, the divergence was too great. Presumably that's what the other two books would have covered.
 
2012-05-08 04:22:36 PM

sabreWulf07: hubiestubert: Next: OGRE!

It's right here: OGRE on Kickstarter


They're supposed to be bringing back the pewter miniatures pretty soon (Ain't no way I'm paying $100 for a box full of cardboard).
 
2012-05-08 04:25:05 PM
Mr_H:
HempHead: What was the game that got the Secret Service to shutdown Steve Jackson Games?

Cyberpunk
[e23.sjgames.com image 229x300]


Citizen: you have committed an error. Homeland Security has designated your post as a "hacking manual". Remain perfectly still until we arrive to punish you.
 
2012-05-08 04:35:53 PM
Paranoia frickin rules ...still got mine :)

/my laser is currently handy
//not a commie
 
2012-05-08 04:52:47 PM
Got rid of a ton of Car Wars stuff a few years back. ADQs, Road Atlases, Expansions, you name it. Just not enough time for long gaming sessions anymore. Still have fond memories of playing CW back when I had too much time and not enough money.

I'd love to see a good Autoduel PC game. Turn based or real-time.

I recently exhumed a Deluxe INWO set that I think I'll put on ebay. Looks like folks have paid crazy prices for that stuff. Better get on it before SJG reprints that, too.
 
2012-05-08 05:15:06 PM

OrbitalFerret: I loved these games too, but I still don't see why they need $700K... Maybe I just don't get Kickstarter?


Since you probably don't want to watch the video:

Steve Jackson made a lotta money off of Munchkin. Ogre was his first game, he wants to bring it back, mostly on his own dime. They figured they could print 3000 copies and break even, just about.

but this allows them to gauge how much interest there is in the game. Sure, they're going to add a few more pieces of cardboard/chipboard to the box. But NOW, Steve's got a plan for an Ogre video game. He's going to hire someone to be a line editor for more Ogre supplements and products. I mean, the entire scope of the next year for his company has changed. It's a really big deal, and it's a better indicator than some dumb online vote because people have actually voted with their dollars.
 
2012-05-08 05:16:16 PM

Perlin Noise: //not a commie


That's just what a commie would say, citizen.

Follow me to the Extermination Chamber.
 
2012-05-08 05:27:16 PM
Ok so I can just "come up with" a big idea, any idea that appeals to people or even a demographic. Post it on kickstarter or whever, and then wait for the money to come in? and retire?
Wow.
I'm going to need a bag of weed and about 3 pots of coffee.
 
2012-05-08 05:38:35 PM

Kipple: I'm suddenly having flashbacks of my buddy entering a CarWars arena with only a pogo stick and a rocket-launcher. We laughed as he decimated the Camaro. We laughed harder when he was run over by a van.

I wonder if I can find my old Car Wars stuff in the attic...

/still plays Battletech every other week


You live in Jackson and play Battletech?! Whar?!
 
2012-05-08 06:58:11 PM
In pog form?
 
2012-05-08 06:59:21 PM

mekkab: OrbitalFerret: I loved these games too, but I still don't see why they need $700K... Maybe I just don't get Kickstarter?

Since you probably don't want to watch the video:

Steve Jackson made a lotta money off of Munchkin. Ogre was his first game, he wants to bring it back, mostly on his own dime. They figured they could print 3000 copies and break even, just about.

but this allows them to gauge how much interest there is in the game. Sure, they're going to add a few more pieces of cardboard/chipboard to the box. But NOW, Steve's got a plan for an Ogre video game. He's going to hire someone to be a line editor for more Ogre supplements and products. I mean, the entire scope of the next year for his company has changed. It's a really big deal, and it's a better indicator than some dumb online vote because people have actually voted with their dollars.


Which is why Kickstarter is such an awesome funding concept.
 
2012-05-08 07:08:51 PM
My gameing group played many basic arena Car Wars games to pass the time between Rolemaster sessions and Star Fleet Battles. I won every game I ever played. The final game I had given my friend a big advantage in points. In secret he built a behemoth of a pickup truck, heavily armoured and armed to the teeth. I had a subcompact shell of a car with no weapons and no side or rear armour but massivly armoured in the front.

We both came out of the gate at full speed. I finished my Car Wars streak undefeated.

/then payed the price of gloating by being soundly beaten far too often in Star Fleet Battles
 
2012-05-08 08:48:56 PM

Buckaroo Beeblebrox: AutoDuel would make the best MMORPG ever.


upload.wikimedia.org

/not the best MMORPG ever
 
2012-05-08 08:50:20 PM

orclover: Ok so I can just "come up with" a big idea, any idea that appeals to people or even a demographic. Post it on kickstarter or whever, and then wait for the money to come in? and retire?
Wow.
I'm going to need a bag of weed and about 3 pots of coffee.


Fine. I'll contribute at the $25 level to help you get your weed and your coffee.
 
2012-05-08 09:02:30 PM

shakespear: Kipple: I'm suddenly having flashbacks of my buddy entering a CarWars arena with only a pogo stick and a rocket-launcher. We laughed as he decimated the Camaro. We laughed harder when he was run over by a van.

I wonder if I can find my old Car Wars stuff in the attic...

/still plays Battletech every other week

You live in Jackson and play Battletech?! Whar?!


We have a group of six of us that play a Battletech/Mechwarrior game every other week. I haven't seen anyplace run a large scale tourney for years - but we might convince Van's Comics to schedule one. He's got the space since the move.
 
2012-05-08 09:04:12 PM
I want an old fashioned cheap Steve Jackson original OGRE, and WARP WAR. Small maps, tiny pasteboard counters, small footprint, cheap price, fits in a pocket, play in under an hour. This was what made it so magical, you could take it to school and finish a game in a study hall period.

100-plus dollars for a giganto version? man, it used to be about the MUSIC., man..... and really cheap fun on a junior highschooler's budget.

I bought those games by mail from an ad in the back of an ASIMOV's SF mag.
 
2012-05-08 09:16:26 PM

Any Pie Left: I bought those games by mail from an ad in the back of an ASIMOV's SF mag.


Got OGRE after seeing an ad in Analog. That's what got me into serious wargaming.
 
2012-05-08 09:25:08 PM

Kipple: shakespear: Kipple: I'm suddenly having flashbacks of my buddy entering a CarWars arena with only a pogo stick and a rocket-launcher. We laughed as he decimated the Camaro. We laughed harder when he was run over by a van.

I wonder if I can find my old Car Wars stuff in the attic...

/still plays Battletech every other week

You live in Jackson and play Battletech?! Whar?!

We have a group of six of us that play a Battletech/Mechwarrior game every other week. I haven't seen anyplace run a large scale tourney for years - but we might convince Van's Comics to schedule one. He's got the space since the move.


I love battletech, I usually do a demo every other month or so. Are you on the meetup group?

I love Van, but unless what you are playing ends in "the gathering" or "ioh" don't expect to be given any consideration.
 
2012-05-08 09:41:38 PM
I feel like such a terrible 80s/90s gamer...I never tried Car Wars.
 
2012-05-08 09:44:23 PM
I used to drive players nuts with a very simple car design in Car Wars: everything armored inside & outside was layered plastic/metal armor (including the wheel armor and the component armor around the driver), which by the rules made any penetration to the power plant or driver damn near impossible. And with an improved seat and ram plate on the front, I had just enough weight left for a small flame thrower in the front.

I'd cruise around the arena doing laps till I came across a nice victim that couldn't get out of the way in time, ram them (which punched quite a hole through their armor, and right as both vehicles stopped I'd squirt some napalm into the gaping hole like a Japanese bukkake star.
 
2012-05-08 09:59:22 PM

Gunderson: Mint!

Now I want Boot Hill and Top Secret next...


And Star Frontiers.
 
2012-05-08 10:44:50 PM

NowhereMon: Interstate 76 wasn't too bad.


Maybe we won't tell Taurus about that one...
 
2012-05-08 10:56:34 PM
Just spotted my CYOA style Car Wars books the other week when I was hunting for my copy of Ender's Game for my wife to read in the haven't touched them in twenty years book boxes.

They were next to my Lone Wolf series and the only Gray Star book they put out..
 
2012-05-09 01:55:28 AM

shakespear: Kipple: shakespear: Kipple: I'm suddenly having flashbacks of my buddy entering a CarWars arena with only a pogo stick and a rocket-launcher. We laughed as he decimated the Camaro. We laughed harder when he was run over by a van.

I wonder if I can find my old Car Wars stuff in the attic...

/still plays Battletech every other week

You live in Jackson and play Battletech?! Whar?!

We have a group of six of us that play a Battletech/Mechwarrior game every other week. I haven't seen anyplace run a large scale tourney for years - but we might convince Van's Comics to schedule one. He's got the space since the move.

I love battletech, I usually do a demo every other month or so. Are you on the meetup group?

I love Van, but unless what you are playing ends in "the gathering" or "ioh" don't expect to be given any consideration.


Well, a few friends have run 40k tourneys there a few times. he's a nice guy, just doesn't have the space to run large scale stuff, and honestly, he makes mad cash off the 'ioh" croud. That said, Demo? Where at?
 
2012-05-09 07:55:50 AM

Kipple: shakespear: Kipple: shakespear: Kipple: I'm suddenly having flashbacks of my buddy entering a CarWars arena with only a pogo stick and a rocket-launcher. We laughed as he decimated the Camaro. We laughed harder when he was run over by a van.

I wonder if I can find my old Car Wars stuff in the attic...

/still plays Battletech every other week

You live in Jackson and play Battletech?! Whar?!

We have a group of six of us that play a Battletech/Mechwarrior game every other week. I haven't seen anyplace run a large scale tourney for years - but we might convince Van's Comics to schedule one. He's got the space since the move.

I love battletech, I usually do a demo every other month or so. Are you on the meetup group?

I love Van, but unless what you are playing ends in "the gathering" or "ioh" don't expect to be given any consideration.

Well, a few friends have run 40k tourneys there a few times. he's a nice guy, just doesn't have the space to run large scale stuff, and honestly, he makes mad cash off the 'ioh" croud. That said, Demo? Where at?


I miss the 40k crowd, he had a very large group that one guy ran off.

Last time I did a Battletech day it was over at Heroes and Dreams. A bunch of us play L5R over there, a handful of Warmachine players too.

Can I drop you an email? I would love to be able to play Battletech on a regular basis.
 
2012-05-09 08:32:31 AM

rogue49: Paranoia :)
[www.andycollins.net image 640x731]


Hell yes,
I had a great time playing paranoia at SydCon in about 88 or 89
or,
was it CanCon?
 
2012-05-09 09:22:32 AM

OrbitalFerret: I loved these games too, but I still don't see why they need $700K... Maybe I just don't get Kickstarter?


You don't get Kickstarter.

They didn't need $700K. They needed $20K for a small-scale print run.
However, the gaming public didn't think that a small-scale print run would be good enough for such a seminal tabletop game, and so they have continued to rain money down on the project. And to be honest, less of the money is going to be considered "profit" than you might believe.

Steve Jackson has wanted to bring OGRE back for years. He announced his intent to make a real effort over 2 years ago, and at that time, he said that the game he envisioned would cost about $100 retail.

However, based on conservative estimates on the shear quantity (and improved quality) of stuff going into that box, they will be losing money on every copy of the game printed - because they are still giving it to people for the $100 price.

As for me, I have wanted a copy of OGRE for going on 20 years - unfortunately, I am a completist, and could never find all of the miniatures sets available. I can't wait for the new edition...
 
2012-05-09 12:09:45 PM

shakespear: Kipple: shakespear: Kipple: shakespear: Kipple: I'm suddenly having flashbacks of my buddy entering a CarWars arena with only a pogo stick and a rocket-launcher. We laughed as he decimated the Camaro. We laughed harder when he was run over by a van.

I wonder if I can find my old Car Wars stuff in the attic...

/still plays Battletech every other week

You live in Jackson and play Battletech?! Whar?!

We have a group of six of us that play a Battletech/Mechwarrior game every other week. I haven't seen anyplace run a large scale tourney for years - but we might convince Van's Comics to schedule one. He's got the space since the move.

I love battletech, I usually do a demo every other month or so. Are you on the meetup group?

I love Van, but unless what you are playing ends in "the gathering" or "ioh" don't expect to be given any consideration.

Well, a few friends have run 40k tourneys there a few times. he's a nice guy, just doesn't have the space to run large scale stuff, and honestly, he makes mad cash off the 'ioh" croud. That said, Demo? Where at?

I miss the 40k crowd, he had a very large group that one guy ran off.

Last time I did a Battletech day it was over at Heroes and Dreams. A bunch of us play L5R over there, a handful of Warmachine players too.

Can I drop you an email? I would love to be able to play Battletech on a regular basis.


Surely!
 
2012-05-09 03:15:49 PM

Migrating Coconut: Come on, real nerds played Star Fleet Battles.


www.examiner.com

Gonna need to roll 32 x d6 for damage on that nacelle...

/starts separating, counting and totaling 'em up
 
2012-05-09 03:17:23 PM

Krieghund: Buckaroo Beeblebrox: AutoDuel would make the best MMORPG ever.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 256x349]

/not the best MMORPG ever


Not Steve Jackson games either.
 
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