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(Chronicle of Higher Education)   How's that Ph.D. in medieval history workin' out for ya? "I find it horrifying that someone who stands in front of college classes and teaches is on welfare"   (chronicle.com) divider line 485
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2012-05-08 11:41:25 AM

GAT_00:

Its a 3 month thing. I don't get fun benefits, but that isn't why I'm doing it anyway. I'm doing it because I get to say I worked at ORNL.


That is the best reason. I remember interviewing a candidate a few years ago (he was graduating with a Masters in Comp Sci from Ga Tech) and one of the things people kept saying was "he interned as a programmer at NASA." Of course, my boss chimed in with "my ex-wife programmed at NASA and I don't find her particularly intelligent." Lulz all around.
 
2012-05-08 11:42:06 AM

Weaver95: GAT_00:
Its a 3 month thing. I don't get fun benefits, but that isn't why I'm doing it anyway. I'm doing it because I get to say I worked at ORNL.

make lots of friends, take notes, develop contacts.


Also, collect information and evidence for future blackmail schemes.
 
2012-05-08 11:46:44 AM
We biatch piss and moan when people don't learn from history. Then when they learn history we ridicule them and tell them its not worth it. Gods forbid they want to teach it.

Remember, unless your job involves some sort of IT you'll never be regarded as worthwhile, at least on Fark.
 
2012-05-08 11:48:42 AM
In the meantime, at Rutgers, each student pays $1000 (each, per year!) for athletic programs like football story
 
2012-05-08 11:49:43 AM
I'm surprised that Medieval Studies isn't a hot field in Arizona, given the massive stupidity of lawmakers there, who apparently draw their inspiration from the 1300s.
 
2012-05-08 11:53:24 AM

Weaver95: you can't mock unemployment...then turn around and mock someone for getting a job that gets them off unemployment. either having a job is a good thing (even if it's a job considered to be 'low status', as if that matters) or it's not.

I don't get it.



I'm mocking him because he has admitted that he is incapable of self sustenance. I'm glad he finally got at least an intern gig. Maybe he can parlay that into something permanent and hopefully in the private sector.
 
2012-05-08 11:55:41 AM

Weaver95: you can't mock unemployment...then turn around and mock someone for getting a job that gets them off unemployment. either having a job is a good thing (even if it's a job considered to be 'low status', as if that matters) or it's not.

I don't get it.


Yeah you can. I'm not saying this is the case here. However if someone gets a job with the government, and it's a completely useless job. I think you can mock them.

Like I said, I have no idea if this is the case
 
2012-05-08 12:07:35 PM

Weaver95: GAT_00:
Its a 3 month thing. I don't get fun benefits, but that isn't why I'm doing it anyway. I'm doing it because I get to say I worked at ORNL.

make lots of friends, take notes, develop contacts.


And in my spare time, write my proposal and at least one pub.

Should be a fun summer.
 
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2012-05-08 12:23:39 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: Weaver95: you can't mock unemployment...then turn around and mock someone for getting a job that gets them off unemployment. either having a job is a good thing (even if it's a job considered to be 'low status', as if that matters) or it's not.

I don't get it.


I'm mocking him because he has admitted that he is incapable of self sustenance. I'm glad he finally got at least an intern gig. Maybe he can parlay that into something permanent and hopefully in the private sector.


May he can learn denial from your example.
 
2012-05-08 01:22:15 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: I'm mocking him because he has admitted that he is incapable of self sustenance. I'm glad he finally got at least an intern gig. Maybe he can parlay that into something permanent and hopefully in the private sector.


1) Why do you consider public sector jobs inherently undesirable? Unless you plan to live in Somalia, some fraction of the work force is going to be in the public sector, and you should want those positions to be coveted so they attract competent people.

2) Do you have any idea what gets done within the national laboratories?

3) Didn't you just link to a Townhall op-ed claiming we need to put more people in math/science occupations? Why are you being a dick to a guy who got a job at a place that outputs exactly that product?
 
2012-05-08 01:24:45 PM
This woman's plight can be summed up with one (not yet used) tag:

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Not to mention that she lives in Butt-Fark Egypt.

If it were Massachusetts, this woman would be employed possibly in Human Resources by a University of her choice.

Perhaps if she moved to Phoenix -Apollo College will employ her to lend themselves some legitimacy for their Mid-Evil humanities program.
 
2012-05-08 01:31:35 PM

junkmetal: quickdraw: junkmetal: quickdraw: junkmetal: Meh, she picked her "bliss" over a useful study or vocation. Follow your bliss after you have a job that can pay for it.

Yes because there is nothing more glamorous than a career teaching history. Its not like trying to become a fashion model or a rock star.

People go into careers like history because they have an aptitude for it. They can read quickly and organize information in a cohesive narrative flow. They are able to remember names and dates and write well.

History, is in fact, a skill and its a valuable one. An undergraduate degree in history is a popular first degree (along with psychology) for people entering law school. In fact all professions need a historical context to be understood. So while we may not need masses of historians we do need history classes at the college level and we need people with PhDs in history to teach them.

FWIW I think the real problem is housing costs. Waaaaay back in the 70s a friend and I could afford a cheap apartment in west hollywood because she had a part-time McDonalds job. This lady is paying $700.00 a month rent and earning $900.00. The rent is too damn high.

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Now you see this proves my point exactly. An aptitude for history would have allowed you to understand what I was saying in the context of the thread. But apparently all your undereducated ass can come up with is "hur hur durr do you want fries with that?" Completely missing the point that a job at McDonalds still pays less than what this lady is making.

But you go on with your silly self. I'm sure your lack of education will make you quite the success as a drug dealer/metal salvage specialist.

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You work at Subway? Well its honest work. Good for you!
 
2012-05-08 01:40:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: *Shrugs* Look how much time I blow on Fark all day and they've been paying me to do this for years. My calculus grades in college were all Cs. I failed Intro to C programming the first time I took it (mainly because I partied and never went to class - got A the 2nd time).

I've often thought I could train people to do this job in 2 years for a lot less than what a college degree costs.


That could be - and lots of people got their start in IT learning on the job - back in the 80s. However I would not ever be able to pull a C in calculus and I did my best with C++ but never could get it to make any sense at all. HTML on fark is my limit really.

Shocking as this may seem not everyone can do calculus or coding which is why they pay you in spite of your demonstrated arrogance, lack of empathy, and poor people skills. Which, to be fair, are common traits in code monkeys. Its probably a good thing you didn't go into religious studies since empathy and humility are important traits to have for that field.
 
2012-05-08 01:40:46 PM

Cythraul: Yes, yes. Certain degrees are worthless in today's culture. I guess having experts around in subjects such as specific historical periods is superfluous. We should get rid of such educational programs. We don't need experts in such fields anyway. No one needs to know what happened during the medieval period. Not important.


came here to say this, but you did it much better than me.
 
2012-05-08 01:44:46 PM

Dancin_In_Anson: I'm mocking him because he has admitted that he is incapable of self sustenance.


It sounds like you have some way out-of-touch ideas of what it means to accomplish things in life. Lots of things we do (as humans) aren't capable of sustaining themselves, and yet the vast majority of people find them entirely worthwhile.

1) Arts - very few artists are capable of entirely supporting themselves

2) Education - very few schools are capable of charging enough tuition to support themselves

3) NASA - NASA, to my knowledge, does not make itself money

4) Research - most research is not directly monetizable

This is just what I thought of in the last 30 seconds. You know what would happen if you insisted that each of those things were self sufficient?

1) There would be very little to no independent art, and the art that we would have would reinforce the status-quo rather than question it (e.g. hollywood blockbusters)

2) Lots of poor people would get little to no education because they simply can't afford it. Lots of bright, but poor, kids would have little chance to better themselves for a lack of education. Look at other countries where this happens and you have rampant child labor abuse, they're essentially tiny little workers who get a pittance doing hard labor until they injure themselves and get tossed out.

3) Very few explorers would go anywhere, ever. I defy you to show me successful historical examples of private enterprise or individuals taking the initiative in exploration.

4) Yeah this wouldn't work at all. Even if it did, the market incentive would cause people to hoard knowledge instead of sharing it, as that would be the only thing paying the bills. Let me tell you, there are few enough smart people in the world that they can all share their knowledge AND make a ton of money, simply by virtue of so few people being willing to put in the effort to gain subject mastery.

In short, it sounds like you have a very warped view of what is important in this world.
 
2012-05-08 01:44:52 PM
I'm glad I only had an interest in history and not a "passion" for it. I'll take reading about the Angevins and the pop history of the likes of Simon Schama over sweating the loans a Masters or PhD would take.
 
2012-05-08 01:44:52 PM

netizencain: Can someone smart do the math. $900 a month seems very low. Perhaps if she got a real job instead of her current one she could make more.


No, but someone smart can use punctuation correctly.
 
2012-05-08 01:45:14 PM

chimp_ninja: Why do you consider public sector jobs inherently undesirable?


Public sector is where the production of an economy comes from.


chimp_ninja: Do you have any idea what gets done within the national laboratories?


Oh yes, and I'm quite happy for him. Like I said, maybe he can parlay it into something more later. Especially when you look at the track record of the Department of Energy (ORNL being the facility in question) as compared to the private energy sector. Something he has shown great disdain for in the past.

chimp_ninja: Didn't you just link to a Townhall op-ed claiming we need to put more people in math/science occupations? Why are you being a dick to a guy who got a job at a place that outputs exactly that product?


I did indeed in response to whining that there's not enough money being shoveled into education which is pure bullshiat.
 
2012-05-08 01:46:08 PM
I teach a class as an adjunct at the (formerly community) college I work at. Based on 3hrs of class time, figure 2 hours of grading per week, and it works out to $25 per hour. Not a bad pay rate for a part time job.

A PhD in medieval history... what exactly does that degree qualify you to do besides teach?

/ AS degree and 3 classes shy of an AA
// 30 years experience in programming/networking
/// my ft job "requires" a masters...
 
2012-05-08 01:46:38 PM
She managed to find the money for some really bad tattoos somewhere...
 
2012-05-08 01:47:33 PM
Hey Gaiz!

Is this the thread where we all imply that knowledge that doesn't have an immediate and primary purpose in making money is useless and shouldn't be retained, much less actively taught at a higher institution?

Yah! College professors shouldn't even make minimum wage unless their work can be tied directly to a stock exchange (preferably an American one)

/History ..pfah.
//ow my balls!
 
2012-05-08 01:47:39 PM

Pocket Ninja: he adjunct system that colleges and universities have rigged in order to secure what is essentially slave labor is a the far bigger problem


It's neither slavery nor is it labor.
 
2012-05-08 01:48:39 PM

GAT_00: Two, I'm working at Oak Ridge National Laboratory this summer. Three, suck it you worthless piece of out of touch human garbage.


Oh, sweet! What are you doing there, and what field? How did you get the job, if you don't mind my asking? (That is, did you just find it and apply online, did someone refer you, etc.) (NO ONE EXPECTS THE SCIENCE INQUISITION! Our chief weapon is data. Data and analysis. Our TWO, two weapons, are..)

I'm just trying to figure out where I should start looking for things. I'm a Physics Ph.D. student, and I've still got about two years left before I get my degree, but, well, I figure it's good to start planning, I suppose...
 
2012-05-08 01:49:43 PM

dj_bigbird: In the meantime, at Rutgers, each student pays $1000 (each, per year!) for athletic programs like football story


Keep on misleading. The football program either breaks even or comes up just short. Those fees are mainly going to the Olympic sports, because they're the ones that don't generate revenue.

Also: "Edit: the claim about each student paying $1000 for athletics is ludicrous too. That assumes that tuition pays for 100% of the Rutgers budget, when it actually is 36%. Using the official Rutgers count of full-time undergraduates, that makes the actual per student contribution to $506. Which is mostly going to olympic sports."

http://www.onthebanks.com/2012/5/3/2996036/bloomberg-cant-stop-writin g -about-rutgers
 
2012-05-08 01:50:13 PM

Donnchadha: What we need is a fundamental shift in thinking in this country -- lets invest in our future.


The powers that be do not have the same future as the rest of us. All these tax cuts and neglect of the infrastructure are clues to what we already know in our hearts: The last 30 years or so of government policy is a going out of business sale for the wealthy elite. They are getting while the gettin's good and then they are going to leave.

Some of them might move to Asia to ride that economy, some of them might go to the coast of Africa and set up shop there. Some will return to their ancestral homes in Europe.

Most of the 1%, the ones who can't afford to move out of the US will clan together and establish luxurious enclaves with privatized governments, security and health care and the rest of the country will devolve into a Balkanized no-man's land where we squabble and skirmish and everyone blames the other for "how it all came to this"
 
2012-05-08 01:50:46 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: RexTalionis: What, you think adjuncts actually get hired for full-time faculty positions? Most of the time, the university or college just exploit them for cheap labor and keep them as part-time adjuncts.

You think every blacksmith's apprentice became a blacksmith? I know not every adjunct becomes a tenured professor. But for some (those that don't have best selling books or some other form of minor celebrity) it's a way to get the foot in the door. Or do you think that everyone that tries should succeed?


Just so you know, adjunct hiring at colleges doesn't work the way you totally believe it does. Now don't get me wrong, I know you totally believe it works that way but as it turns out, Rex is right. So take a second and realize why you believe what you do. You believe what you do because you have no factual information whatsoever, no inside knowledge, you're not in academia but you imagine this is the way it is therefore it must be true. Turns out you are wrong. What a shock, right?
 
2012-05-08 01:51:23 PM

Weaver95: Dancin_In_Anson: GAT_00: One, not the same field. Two, I'm working at Oak Ridge National Laboratory this summer. Three, suck it you worthless piece of out of touch human garbage.

Well congratulations! And a government job no less. Color me shocked! Who helped you get it?

oh, and another thing - government jobs are about the best some places offer these days. For example, tech jobs in Central Pa are sucking mud these days. sure, the local companies have jobs available...but they don't want to PAY for someone who's got years of experience. they'd rather outsource to india or china than hire local. H1B visa workers are another alternative. anything to avoid paying a US worker valid wages.

So if I get laid off over the next year (which is entirely possible right now), you can bet yer ass i'm gonna go look for a job with the state.


Which is why WI Governor Walker (currently in recall) clamped down on collective bargaining rights -certain powers that be want there to be no recourse but to work for shiat wages with no benefits.
 
2012-05-08 01:52:18 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Generally, you have a day job as well and are working toward the day where you can quit your day job and the adjunct job, and move into a tenure track position.


Do adjuncts ever actually move into tenure track positions? I thought they were just passed over for younger "rising stars with potential".
 
2012-05-08 01:52:29 PM

junkmetal: Meh, she picked her "bliss" over a useful study or vocation. Follow your bliss after you have a job that can pay for it.


You sound "bootstrappy".
 
2012-05-08 01:52:54 PM

Felgraf: I'm just trying to figure out where I should start looking for things. I'm a Physics Ph.D. student, and I've still got about two years left before I get my degree, but, well, I figure it's good to start planning, I suppose...


You might look into Argonne National Labs if you're interested in doing a post-doctoral position. They have quite a few openings. Link
 
2012-05-08 01:54:26 PM
I'm a postdoc in biomedical research, so I'm really getting a kick, etc.

Getting out of academia as soon as I can.
 
2012-05-08 01:54:44 PM

lennavan: Felgraf: I'm just trying to figure out where I should start looking for things. I'm a Physics Ph.D. student, and I've still got about two years left before I get my degree, but, well, I figure it's good to start planning, I suppose...

You might look into Argonne National Labs if you're interested in doing a post-doctoral position. They have quite a few openings. Link


I'll have to keep that in mind.

Though I may end up as a professor somewhere; I've been told I actually have a knack for teaching in a comprehensible way...

/Although I hate grading with the fire of a thousand suns.
//No, pre-med student, you cannot get extra credit. This is a one credit hour lab course. Please just do the lab.
 
2012-05-08 01:54:47 PM

i.r.id10t: A PhD in medieval history... what exactly does that degree qualify you to do besides teach?


or work at a museum or something but your options are probably pretty limited
 
2012-05-08 01:55:12 PM
Get a job at the Wendy's by your apartment. You'll make way more and save gas. Pick one last name and go with it, and take care of your kid.
 
2012-05-08 01:56:29 PM
Does she think a better job is going to hire her with visible tattoos like that?
 
2012-05-08 01:57:04 PM

havocmike: Cythraul: Yes, yes. Certain degrees are worthless in today's culture. I guess having experts around in subjects such as specific historical periods is superfluous. We should get rid of such educational programs. We don't need experts in such fields anyway. No one needs to know what happened during the medieval period. Not important.

came here to say this, but you did it much better than me.


The problem is that these "experts" aren't contributing anything. I can read the same book and wiki page and, in a week's time (and in my spare time), become just as much an expert at a specific topic in medieval history as this "expert" with a PhD. This person isn't going out and discovering new medieval artifacts and drawing never-seen-before conclusions about medieval topics.
 
2012-05-08 01:57:28 PM
Ideally, we should completely forget about the past. History has shown that societies have thrived when they have ignored history.
 
2012-05-08 01:57:57 PM

EatHam: I can't understand why people pay money to get a Ph.D in something like medieval history. Sure, it's interesting, but does eating later in life not occur to these people?


Speaking just for myself, I paid for the PhD program so that I could more or less ensure that I was able to get a job. I could have stayed where I got my MA and continued turning a profit on school, but I wanted to start at a more highly-rated program. I ended up at a place that had 100% job placement--every medieval PhD since WW2 that sought employment in the field found it.

So that's why I paid, anyway. I ended up leaving the program to pursue a more lucrative area of teaching, but finishing my diss would have essentially guaranteed me a job.
 
2012-05-08 01:58:35 PM

mainstreet62: I'm surprised that Medieval Studies isn't a hot field in Arizona, given the massive stupidity of lawmakers there, who apparently draw their inspiration from the 1300s.


It is - they just think it's extremely good pay because they base their pay scales on costs in 1300.

/f*ck Arizona as a place to work, had the displeasure of working there a decade ago.
 
2012-05-08 01:59:10 PM

nickerj1: The problem is that these "experts" aren't contributing anything. I can read the same book and wiki page and, in a week's time (and in my spare time), become just as much an expert at a specific topic in medieval history as this "expert" with a PhD. This person isn't going out and discovering new medieval artifacts and drawing never-seen-before conclusions about medieval topics.


I bet you actually believe this too.
 
2012-05-08 01:59:29 PM

RussianPooper: Ideally, we should completely forget about the past. History has shown that societies have thrived when they have ignored history.


Believe it or not, you can know about something, even study it, without making it your life's work.
 
2012-05-08 01:59:47 PM

netizencain: Can someone smart do the math. $900 a month seems very low. Perhaps if she got a real job instead of her current one she could make more.


It does say "take-home pay", so add a third for taxes. Then realize that 20 hours means nothing, really. She teaches two courses at a small community college. Did she expect a full time job right away?

Adjuncts are traditionally brought in from the outside to teach a specific thing or fill a hole left by a retiring professor. You're pretty much expected to have another job, that's why the pay is so little. You are also excused from doing research and most administrative requirements of professors and lecturers.
 
2012-05-08 01:59:52 PM
When a job slinging burgers and requiring no education pays more than a job in education requiring an advanced degree, you know this country has a problem.

When people respond to this issue by saying that someone should take a job in fast food over working in education, you know this country is done for.

We will reap the benefits of what we value as a society. Since we obviously value fast food over people with degrees in history, it's no surprise to see what a feces-strewn downward spiral this nation is on.
 
2012-05-08 02:00:30 PM
About the only time being an adjunct professor makes sense is if you're working a full-time job either at the institution you'll be teaching for, or working a full-time job with a schedule that lets you do it--and either way, you're not going to be doing it for the money. Do it for something fun, do it as a resume builder, but don't do it for the money.

/looking forward next week to my sweet, sweet $300 check for teaching an independent study course. Fortunately I had all the materials ready to go from previous years so it wasn't minimum wage work.
 
2012-05-08 02:01:27 PM
Today's students would be well advised to study medieval history in order to better understand the society the GOP is attempting to create in the United States. Even better yet they ought to study the age of enlightenment and late eighteenth century French history.
The cake is a lie.
 
2012-05-08 02:01:32 PM
In order to be admitted to University, you should have to present some sort of business plan (especially if you're getting student loans). e.g. why you're doing it, what you hope to get out of it, how you intend to pay for it, your career goals for when you're done.

This woman doesn't sound like someone who had a burning passion for history. It sounds like she took a subject that interested her somewhat, and kept advancing in order to put off "real life" for as long as possible. Now there's no more courses to take, and real life has reared its ugly head...
 
2012-05-08 02:02:47 PM

WhippingBoy: In order to be admitted to University, you should have to present some sort of business plan (especially if you're getting student loans). e.g. why you're doing it, what you hope to get out of it, how you intend to pay for it, your career goals for when you're done.

This woman doesn't sound like someone who had a burning passion for history. It sounds like she took a subject that interested her somewhat, and kept advancing in order to put off "real life" for as long as possible. Now there's no more courses to take, and real life has reared its ugly head...


I love how you can derive her whole life story from this article. Are you a wizard?
 
2012-05-08 02:02:51 PM

WhippingBoy: you should have to present some sort of business plan (especially if you're getting student loans)


That may not be the dumbest idea I've ever heard, but boy is it trying.
 
2012-05-08 02:03:03 PM
Part-time instructors at community colleges don't get paid sh*t. I don't understand anyone's surprise at this. Adjuncts usually teach a class or two to supplement their income and pad their resume while they have a different full-time job.

At least that is what I have witnessed.
 
2012-05-08 02:03:30 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: So that's why I paid, anyway. I ended up leaving the program to pursue a more lucrative area of teaching, but finishing my diss would have essentially guaranteed me a job.


So you did all that and yet you never followed through?
 
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