I'm gonna have to see every politican's long-form birth certificate AND independently verified family tree running back 32 generations (and noticing race, ethnicity & religion of each person) before I can make an informed decision.

We get it, Zombie's are terrified of a strong, liberal woman.

LOL, Breitbart is still dead.

Also:

she just wanted the extra paycheck money

This is what republicans actually think.

vpb: First we had Birthers and now we have Racers. Besides, TFA doesn't even claim that she got "extra paycheck money".

It's on top of all the extra money she gets for being a woman. Welcome to Obama's America.

This woman scares the shiat out of you right-wing pussies, doesn't she?

A stupid story, but kind of hints at the mindset of the woman. She is obviously white, but family lore said a great great great great great grandmother was Cherokee, so she lists herself as a minority. Does somebody want to be special too Elizabeth?

Amazing how well this works. It doesn't matter how stupid it is. We are all now talking about race and old college records when we should be talking about the policy differences between Warren and the incumbent.

What I can't really intuitively grasp is that when they manage to shift the playing field, the default winner always seems to be a Republican.

Shelly Lowe, executive director of Harvard University's Native American Program (HUNAP), told Breitbart News today that U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren had not, to her knowledge, participated in the program's events while Warren was a professor at Harvard.

So it's okay to base an article on what one person states, based on her knowledge rather than any direct proof, because it matches the narrative we want to build.

Warren, who is the Democratic challenger to incumbent Republican Scott Brown, claims that she has a great-great-great-grandmother who was Cherokee. That claim has yet to be substantiated by evidence beyond family lore, and Warren herself has no formal tribal membership.

However, we need direct proof when it comes to the heritage of the person in question. Mere "knowledge" isn't enough.

What a horseshiat article. But it's from the site that's feeding on Breitbart's corpse, so that is to be expected.

You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.

So she has to admit she likes Cherokee guys, who cares?

Seriously? No one has photoshopped this gal into a warbonnet yet?

All Republicans are afraid of strong, intelligent women. When confronted with this undeniable fact, they hold up Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin as examples of strong intelligent women, which is funny, since Bachmann and Palin define their own successes by how well they conform to the ideas of 1950s June Cleaver housewiferey.

All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

HotWingConspiracy: she just wanted the extra paycheck money

This is what republicans actually think.

You don't know how America works? You get extra money in your paycheck for being a minority- I get a little extra for being a woman and a Jew, but Native Americans and Hispanics get more, and blacks get most. Obama's salary is 25% higher adjusted for inflation than that of any other president because of the black paycheck money.

LordJiro: Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.


Is this a lie?

No. She has already admitted to it.

SO what is your excuse now?

LordJiro: This woman scares the shiat out of you right-wing pussies, doesn't she?

She might scalp them or shoot them with flaming arrows, unless she's bought off with fire water or trinkets first.

Can somebody 'shop some feathers onto her head or something?

LordJiro: This woman scares the shiat out of you right-wing pussies, doesn't she?

Fauxcahantas!

Heh. When she first arrived on the scene, her victory seemed almost inevitable, esp. with the gobs of money she was raking in from around the country. But my lord she's run an atrocious campaign. Makes Martha Coakley look like Huey Long. The Dem bosses in Mass. need a hard lesson in how to pick a candidate - anointing their chosen one isn't working for them very well.

Wow! Is this a contest for how many lies can fit in a single headline? You win, zombie BrightFart.

Thune: LordJiro: Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.


Is this a lie?

No. She has already admitted to it.

SO what is your excuse now?

Depends. Got a source other than known-liars at Breitbart? For her admitting to the 'lie' and receiving extra pay due to it.

Thune: LordJiro: Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.


Is this a lie?

No. She has already admitted to it.

Admitted to what? Getting mythical Native American paychecks?

Thune: LordJiro: Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.

Is this a lie?

No. She has already admitted to it.

SO what is your excuse now?

Please cite.

Oh, wait, you can't.

A record unearthed Monday shows that Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren has a great-great-great grandmother listed in an 1894 document as a Cherokee, said a genealogist at the New England Historic and Genealogy Society.

The shred of evidence could validate her claim that she has Native American ancestry, making her 1/32 American Indian, but may not put an end to the questions swirling around the subject.

Link

EyeballKid: If lies were bumps of cocaine, Breitbart.com would be dead by now too.



"I know, right?"

sweetmelissa31: HotWingConspiracy: she just wanted the extra paycheck money

This is what republicans actually think.

You don't know how America works? You get extra money in your paycheck for being a minority- I get a little extra for being a woman and a Jew, but Native Americans and Hispanics get more, and blacks get most. Obama's salary is 25% higher adjusted for inflation than that of any other president because of the black paycheck money.

Oh, I guess my high levels of whiteness has kept this type of information away from me. And here I thought I had it easy.

LordJiro: This woman scares the shiat out of you right-wing pussies, doesn't she?

Masshole here. I'm not voting for her because I don't particularly like the woman or her campaign message so far. I'm ok with Scott Brown and I like Kerry, both of whom I've voted for.

Go figure, eh?

Teabagger/Birther logic for 'their' positions: A lack of evidence disproving my position means I'm right.


Teabagger/Birther logic for the positions of anyone else: Must provide overwhelming and comprehensive causal evidence, and have meticulously researched explanations for every possible explanation to the contrary.

Thune: LordJiro: Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.


Is this a lie?

No. She has already admitted to it.

SO what is your excuse now?

So what? That's my excuse. Half of the South, including the fascist bigots, have Cherokee in them. Hell, I have Cherokee in me and I'm basically War Nerd incarnate. This story ran a few days ago and nobody cared. Only the dying remnants of some lying shiathead's media outlet care, along with the suckers who read it. How many of them live in Mass. and vote?

I love it when the Right Wing idiots shiat their pants over somebody and struggle to dig up stupid shiat to smear them with. Good luck: nobody cares. I've seen more legally white Indians than you would know anyway. Up to a certain percentage makes you legally an Indian anyway.

rufus-t-firefly: Thune: LordJiro: Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.

Is this a lie?

No. She has already admitted to it.

SO what is your excuse now?

Please cite.

Oh, wait, you can't.

A record unearthed Monday shows that Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren has a great-great-great grandmother listed in an 1894 document as a Cherokee, said a genealogist at the New England Historic and Genealogy Society.

The shred of evidence could validate her claim that she has Native American ancestry, making her 1/32 American Indian, but may not put an end to the questions swirling around the subject.

Link

Pfff, when have FACTS ever mattered? Republicans know in their gut that she's lying and collected MILLIONS for it, and thus is terrible and please oh god PLEASE let Scott Brown keep his seat we're farking desperate to keep every seat we have.

Garet Garrett: LordJiro: This woman scares the shiat out of you right-wing pussies, doesn't she?

Fauxcahantas!

Heh. When she first arrived on the scene, her victory seemed almost inevitable, esp. with the gobs of money she was raking in from around the country. But my lord she's run an atrocious campaign. Makes Martha Coakley look like Huey Long. The Dem bosses in Mass. need a hard lesson in how to pick a candidate - anointing their chosen one isn't working for them very well.

o_O

cubic_spleen: All Republicans are afraid of strong, intelligent women. When confronted with this undeniable fact, they hold up Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin as examples of strong intelligent women, which is funny, since Bachmann and Palin define their own successes by how well they conform to the ideas of 1950s June Cleaver housewiferey.

All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

Sounds like you have some serious mommy issues. Can't figure out how to reconcile childbirth and success outside the home?

Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right. Get a new narrative, and stop making excuses for your pathetic politicians. They can stand or fall on their own merits. You don't need to blame their failures on their having ladyparts.

sweetmelissa31: HotWingConspiracy: she just wanted the extra paycheck money

This is what republicans actually think.

You don't know how America works? You get extra money in your paycheck for being a minority- I get a little extra for being a woman and a Jew, but Native Americans and Hispanics get more, and blacks get most. Obama's salary is 25% higher adjusted for inflation than that of any other president because of the black paycheck money.

What the fark are you doing? You know damn well you're not supposed to tell the white people about this! It is the first thing that we go over in our monthly minority meetings. I swear if I lose my black man money because of your blabbing.

Garet Garrett: cubic_spleen: All Republicans are afraid of strong, intelligent women. When confronted with this undeniable fact, they hold up Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin as examples of strong intelligent women, which is funny, since Bachmann and Palin define their own successes by how well they conform to the ideas of 1950s June Cleaver housewiferey.

All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

Sounds like you have some serious mommy issues. Can't figure out how to reconcile childbirth and success outside the home?

Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right. Get a new narrative, and stop making excuses for your pathetic politicians. They can stand or fall on their own merits. You don't need to blame their failures on their having ladyparts.

Yeah but War on Women!

bdub77: We can all blame Pelosi for this and her '40 Acres and a Mule Act' that was forced down our throat in 2009.

I requested a fat mule because I thought it would be cute, and my mule is not at all fat. In fact I suspect it might be a donkey.

rufus-t-firefly:

Warren, who is the Democratic challenger to incumbent Republican Scott Brown, claims that she has a great-great-great-grandmother who was Cherokee. That claim has yet to be substantiated by evidence beyond family lore, and Warren herself has no formal tribal membership.

However, we need direct proof when it comes to the heritage of the person in question. Mere "knowledge" isn't enough.

What a horseshiat article. But it's from the site that's feeding on Breitbart's corpse, so that is to be expected.

You are making this too hard. Just see if she cant hold her liqueur and we will know the truth.

rufus-t-firefly: Thune: LordJiro: Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

...Says the idiot deflecting for Breitbart. Which, I shall remind you, is a site so well-known for lying that its name has become a synonym for lying.

Is this a lie?

No. She has already admitted to it.

SO what is your excuse now?

Please cite.

Oh, wait, you can't.

A record unearthed Monday shows that Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren has a great-great-great grandmother listed in an 1894 document as a Cherokee, said a genealogist at the New England Historic and Genealogy Society.

The shred of evidence could validate her claim that she has Native American ancestry, making her 1/32 American Indian, but may not put an end to the questions swirling around the subject.

Link

Aaaand Thune has abandoned thread, hasn't he?

Jackson Herring: It's multiplicative though, right? So if you were only bisexual you could be making serious bucks

Is this about me and Sarah Silverman?

cubic_spleen: All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

I'm no fan of the GOP, and I'm about as liberal as can be, but that statement is outrageously false.

/You're not helping
//Take it back

Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

HotWingConspiracy: she just wanted the extra paycheck money

This is what republicans actually think. FEEL

FTFY - it appears the GOP does not really think about things as that would involve evaluating facts and numbers. Why bother doing all that when you can just work from heuristics.

Zasteva: cubic_spleen: All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

I'm no fan of the GOP, and I'm about as liberal as can be, but that statement is outrageously false.

/You're not helping
//Take it back

Seriously. Some of them are just idiots.

Garet Garrett: cubic_spleen: All Republicans are afraid of strong, intelligent women. When confronted with this undeniable fact, they hold up Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin as examples of strong intelligent women, which is funny, since Bachmann and Palin define their own successes by how well they conform to the ideas of 1950s June Cleaver housewiferey.

All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

Sounds like you have some serious mommy issues. Can't figure out how to reconcile childbirth and success outside the home?

Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right. Get a new narrative, and stop making excuses for your pathetic politicians. They can stand or fall on their own merits. You don't need to blame their failures on their having ladyparts.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Lumping Thatcher in with Pailin, Bachman and The Mummy from AZ? Haley? Seriously?

Thatcher and Merkel would eat those morons for lunch. Lizzie I was an absolute badass who would chew Haley up and spit her out. Victoria reigned over half the world.

Half of your list are living testaments to Tea Bagging morons who want "somebody hot I can vote fer". The rest, the non-Americans, are truly great women who certainly did not need an echo chamber of sycophants telling them how great they were. And if you are all about strong Republican women, where's Elizabeth Dole? Oh, wait, you forget her.

Christ, you should be ashamed of yourself self putting Thatcher in with the functioning retard from Alaska, crazy McNutjob from MN, The Mummy and Ms. "I'm not Indian, I swear, vote for me".

Dusk-You-n-Me: She is special, and her ethnicity has nothing to do with it

Then why did she make an issue of 1/32 of her ethnicity?


I hands down want her to win over Brown, but claiming minority status based off being 1/32 something is at best a stupid thing to do. And her claim of "wanting to be invited to events with simliar people" is complete BS.

Debeo Summa Credo: EyeballKid: If lies were bumps of cocaine, Breitbart.com would be dead by now too.

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"I know, right?"

Just to be clear, here, I didn't click on the link and think Breitbart.com is terrible. I regret posting the one instance that he was correct. But dismissing this story because of the source is silly.

And whether she is 1/32nd indian or not, I think it's hysterical that she included it in her ethnicity. 1/32nd warrants checking that box? Really?

For those who have a visceral reaction to all things Breitbart:

High Cheekbones CBS

ABC

Washington Post

Boston Herald

Boston Herald. Commentary on White Hispanic et al

trotsky: Garet Garrett: cubic_spleen: All Republicans are afraid of strong, intelligent women. When confronted with this undeniable fact, they hold up Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin as examples of strong intelligent women, which is funny, since Bachmann and Palin define their own successes by how well they conform to the ideas of 1950s June Cleaver housewiferey.

All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

Sounds like you have some serious mommy issues. Can't figure out how to reconcile childbirth and success outside the home?

Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right. Get a new narrative, and stop making excuses for your pathetic politicians. They can stand or fall on their own merits. You don't need to blame their failures on their having ladyparts.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Lumping Thatcher in with Pailin, Bachman and The Mummy from AZ? Haley? Seriously?

Thatcher and Merkel would eat those morons for lunch. Lizzie I was an absolute badass who would chew Haley up and spit her out. Victoria reigned over half the world.

Half of your list are living testaments to Tea Bagging morons who want "somebody hot I can vote fer". The rest, the non-Americans, are truly great women who certainly did not need an echo chamber of sycophants telling them how great they were. And if you are all about strong Republican women, where's Elizabeth Dole? Oh, wait, you forget her.

Christ, you should be ashamed of yourself self putting Thatcher in with the functioning retard from Alaska, crazy McNutjob from MN, The Mummy and Ms. "I'm not Indian, I swear, vote for me".

I personally wonder what the aforementioned women (with the exception of the modern American conservatives) would think of today's GOP.

Is that a googy googy indian or a woo woo indian?

/Michael Scott needs to know

Dusk-You-n-Me: EWreckedSean: Does somebody want to be special too Elizabeth?

She was a state champion debater at age 16. Warren is the first professor in Harvard's history to win the law school's teaching award twice. Among many, many other accolades.

She is special, and her ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

Warren 2016?

Of course they go with a Breitbart link. Trollish.

I think this says as much about attitudes on college campuses in the 1990s as it does about Warren. There was such a full on embrace of all things multicultural at pretty much every university you could name and, as intellectual fads go, it had a remarkable amount of staying power. Warren was probably just going along with it as a sort of career move and now she's being asked uncomfortable questions because it all seems kind of stupid fifteen or twenty years later. She should have just told the truth about it instead of talking about cheekbones and 'lore'.


Garet Garrett: Fauxcahantas!

Heh. When she first arrived on the scene, her victory seemed almost inevitable, esp. with the gobs of money she was raking in from around the country. But my lord she's run an atrocious campaign. Makes Martha Coakley look like Huey Long. The Dem bosses in Mass. need a hard lesson in how to pick a candidate - anointing their chosen one isn't working for them very well.

Hard to imagine her doing worse than the last democrat they dug up. Coakley acted as if winning was a sure thing. It is also likely that she kept people she knew to be innocent in prison in order to further her political career. How she is even allowed to practice law, let alone represent anyone in any office, is beyond me. Truly a disgusting creature but that's party politics.

Can't tell if Subby is trolling or just stupid.

HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'.

Whether or not they were pro-choice or pro-birth control has nothing to do with it.

qorkfiend: trotsky: Garet Garrett: cubic_spleen: All Republicans are afraid of strong, intelligent women. When confronted with this undeniable fact, they hold up Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin as examples of strong intelligent women, which is funny, since Bachmann and Palin define their own successes by how well they conform to the ideas of 1950s June Cleaver housewiferey.

All Republicans are misogynists. Those who say they aren't, are either lying about being Republicans, or lying about being women.

Sounds like you have some serious mommy issues. Can't figure out how to reconcile childbirth and success outside the home?

Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right. Get a new narrative, and stop making excuses for your pathetic politicians. They can stand or fall on their own merits. You don't need to blame their failures on their having ladyparts.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. Lumping Thatcher in with Pailin, Bachman and The Mummy from AZ? Haley? Seriously?

Thatcher and Merkel would eat those morons for lunch. Lizzie I was an absolute badass who would chew Haley up and spit her out. Victoria reigned over half the world.

Half of your list are living testaments to Tea Bagging morons who want "somebody hot I can vote fer". The rest, the non-Americans, are truly great women who certainly did not need an echo chamber of sycophants telling them how great they were. And if you are all about strong Republican women, where's Elizabeth Dole? Oh, wait, you forget her.

Christ, you should be ashamed of yourself self putting Thatcher in with the functioning retard from Alaska, crazy McNutjob from MN, The Mummy and Ms. "I'm not Indian, I swear, vote for me".

I personally wonder what the aforementioned women (with the exception of the modern American conservatives) would think of today's GOP.

Thatcher: "Go get my tea, Nikki, I have to invade the Falklands".

Elizabeth I: "Tell my lady in waiting to have the chamber maid empty my chamber pot."

Merkel: "We have to discuss the Greek issue with my top economic advisers. Yes, I will have a cup of coffee, thank you Sarah."

Victoria: "Jan who? Tell my Indian guard to throw her out at once, I have a report from the fighting in the Crimea."

Opened link, saw it was Breitbart, closed link. If it's worth knowing, it will be reported on by non-hacks.

Zasteva: I'm no fan of the GOP, and I'm about as liberal as can be, but that statement is outrageously false.

/You're not helping
//Take it back

I don't see any reason he should.

You may say "well, just because some stupid republicans in Tennessee have been doing all they can to kill, maim, and inflict extreme emotional distress on women as punishment for simply being sexually active women, but that's doesn't mean republicans elsewhere hold any responsibility".

I say bullshiat.

The republican party, at every level, has staked out some clear positions:

1. Anti-woman
2. Racism
3. Anti-eduction
4. Pro-individual-wealth-at-any-cost

If you knowingly choose to associate with them, you choose to support those platforms. Claiming that because YOU don't agree with those things even though the republican party does is like claiming gang affiliation with MS-13 and then acting upset when people start saying nasty things about you because of it.

"Well, gee, I know THEY rape, murder, and maim people all the time, but I'm just a member, but I've never done anything like that MYSELF!"

/ and, know, I have no problem with drawing an analogy between murderous street gangs and republicans
// if anything, it's not fair to the street gangs... at least they're honest about what they are

I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

qorkfiend: I personally wonder what the aforementioned women (with the exception of the modern American conservatives) would think of today's GOP.

Lady Thatcher will not be seeing Sarah Palin. That would be belittling for Margaret. Sarah Palin is nuts.

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'.

Whether or not they were pro-choice or pro-birth control has nothing to do with it.

Half of the consisted of women who weren't even American much less Republican, which is what made that comment stupid.

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'.

Whether or not they were pro-choice or pro-birth control has nothing to do with it.

That has everything to do with it, as they don't like these people because they are strong or intelligent. They like them because they toe the conservative line.

Or maybe you can come up with some strong, intelligent women that lean liberal and still get praise from conservatives?

Debeo Summa Credo:
And whether she is 1/32nd indian or not, I think it's hysterical that she included it in her ethnicity. 1/32nd warrants checking that box? Really?

Yes? For fark sake it's only four generations. I know plenty of Americans who still self-identify ethnically as German/French/Irish whose families have been American for far, far longer than that.

Dusk-You-n-Me: Bontesla: Warren 2016?

Yes please.


You mean O'Malley/Warren? Hmmmm. Time to reserve some domain names.

Garet Garrett: LordJiro: This woman scares the shiat out of you right-wing pussies, doesn't she?

Fauxcahantas!

Heh. When she first arrived on the scene, her victory seemed almost inevitable, esp. with the gobs of money she was raking in from around the country. But my lord she's run an atrocious campaign. Makes Martha Coakley look like Huey Long. The Dem bosses in Mass. need a hard lesson in how to pick a candidate - anointing their chosen one isn't working for them very well.

well she doesn't have all that ALEC/Koch Bros/Citizens United money that Brown has. She can't afford to run ads 24/7/365 on all the channels like they can. Sure if you just look at the campaign money she looks like she has more but if you look beyond that, look at the whole thing she has nothing compared to the corporate juggernauts

JesusJuice: Opened link, saw it was Breitbart, closed link. If it's worth knowing, it will be reported on by non-hacks.

If only more people thought this way....sadly there are too many people that adhere to Sarah Palin's "lamestream media" rhetoric. It makes them feel special to think that they are getting secret information that "they" don't want you to know about.

keylock71: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Is is any weirder than the hundreds of thousands of Americans with a similar amount of Irish blood claiming they're "Irish" to anyone who will listen?

Apparently this is one of those things that's different for brown people.

/Or, more accurately, different when it's convenient to the argument Republicans want to make at the moment.

keylock71: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Is is any weirder than the hundreds of thousands of Americans with a similar amount of Irish blood claiming they're "Irish" to anyone who will listen?

None of the people I know who claim to be Irish are of that little blood. At a quarter I certainly wouldn't claim it as my RACE and I was a goddamn Irish dancer. I know a great deal about my bloodline compared to most people, and I'm a total mutt, but being 1/32 of anything is not enough for it to be sanely checked as your race or claim to want to "meet people like you"

Dusk-You-n-Me: EWreckedSean: Does somebody want to be special too Elizabeth?

She was a state champion debater at age 16. Warren is the first professor in Harvard's history to win the law school's teaching award twice. Among many, many other accolades.

She is special, and her ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

Policy debate or LD?

/guessing LD since she's a liberal.

EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women?

See where you got greedy?

Debeo Summa Credo: Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'

See where you stopped reading?

Besides, naturally you as a lib think every conservative is not intelligent. Therefore you can argue that Repubs don't like strong, intelligent women because in your meaningless opinion Condoleeza Rice, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Kelly Ayotte, and Susana Martinez are all idiots!

ace in your face: keylock71: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Is is any weirder than the hundreds of thousands of Americans with a similar amount of Irish blood claiming they're "Irish" to anyone who will listen?

None of the people I know who claim to be Irish are of that little blood.

Where the fark do you live? Cork?

Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Dusk-You-n-Me: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Bill John Baker is only 1/32 Cherokee, and he's the Cherokee Nation Principal Chief.

This CANNOT be repeated enough.

So some stupid 18 year old kid checks a box on some college thing and 30 years later it costs them a potential government seat? And I used to think Japan was weird for having a culture where if a kid got caught shoplifting it basically ruined their entire life.

Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

I think that's stupid too but less so if he was raised on a Rez and in the culture. I have a friend who is slightly less than half native and grew up on a Rez and he isn't a full member of the tribe. The Cherokee are an extremely large watered down tribe, made up of many tiny tribes.

JerseyTim: EWreckedSean: A stupid story, but kind of hints at the mindset of the woman. She is obviously white, but family lore said a great great great great great grandmother was Cherokee, so she lists herself as a minority. Does somebody want to be special too Elizabeth?

Also obviously white:
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Bill John Baker, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation. He has the same blood quantum as Warren.

Yeah. He is white.

Debeo Summa Credo: EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women?

See where you got greedy?

Debeo Summa Credo: Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'

See where you stopped reading?

Besides, naturally you as a lib think every conservative is not intelligent. Therefore you can argue that Repubs don't like strong, intelligent women because in your meaningless opinion Condoleeza Rice, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Kelly Ayotte, and Susana Martinez are all idiots!

Olympia Snowe was reviled by many in her own party for "not being conservative enough". Rice has declined to enter the moron pool. I have absolutely no idea who the hell Kelly Ayotte is, nor do I care at this point.

Nikki Haley in particular makes me throw up in my mouth a little. She's a farking Indian, her parents are proud Indians and her real first name is Indian. Instead she panders to the morons with Anglicization of her name and discrete lack of mention of her heritage and culture.

In fact, I would say she's a far better candidate to do a piece like this on, along with Bobby Jindal. Why do they want to step away from their heritage? Oh, I know why. And you do to. And it's pathetic.

EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: Therefore you can argue that Repubs don't like strong, intelligent women because in your meaningless opinion Condoleeza Rice,

MR. BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6th PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB.

MS. RICE: I believe the title was "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

She was national security advisor at the time, right? How did our national security turn out? But, she is really good at piano, I'm told.

Have you ever actually read that brief?

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'.

Whether or not they were pro-choice or pro-birth control has nothing to do with it.

That has everything to do with it, as they don't like these people because they are strong or intelligent. They like them because they toe the conservative line.

Or maybe you can come up with some strong, intelligent women that lean liberal and still get praise from conservatives?

The original post claimed that conservatives were afraid of 'strong, intelligent women'. It mentioned nothing at all with whether the women leaned liberal or not. Watch out moving them goalposts, people have gotten electrocuted when walking through power lines.

EWreckedSean: A stupid story, but kind of hints at the mindset of the woman. She is obviously white, but family lore said a great great great great great grandmother was Cherokee, so she lists herself as a minority. Does somebody want to be special too Elizabeth?

I've been doing genealogy for 15 years, and every other person is convinced that they're "part Cherokee". It's something that is extremely difficult to either prove or disprove, unless you're demonstrably full or half. Anything less than one-quarter is quite difficult to "prove".

its just a matter of time. this reminds me (almost) of when anthony weiner was twistin in the wind, just before he resigned.

JerseyTim: EWreckedSean: A stupid story, but kind of hints at the mindset of the woman. She is obviously white, but family lore said a great great great great great grandmother was Cherokee, so she lists herself as a minority. Does somebody want to be special too Elizabeth?

Also obviously white:
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Bill John Baker, Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation. He has the same blood quantum wampum as Warren.

FTFY.

DirkValentine: canyoneer: DirkValentine: What, exactly, is that supposed to mean?

It means this gal should do a war dance for the voters!

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Seriously, do none of you see the humor in this???

Not really. What's funny about it?

I've no idea. It's one of the more baffling posts I've seen. Care to elucidate, canyoneer?

trotsky: Olympia Snowe was reviled by many in her own party for "not being conservative enough"

And that was before she got pissed off enough to come out and tell them they need to get their shiat together and stop being whiny little babies. Somehow that seems apropos to this thread.

Debeo Summa Credo: EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women?

See where you got greedy?

Debeo Summa Credo: Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'

See where you stopped reading?

Besides, naturally you as a lib think every conservative is not intelligent. Therefore you can argue that Repubs don't like strong, intelligent women because in your meaningless opinion Condoleeza Rice, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Kelly Ayotte, and Susana Martinez are all idiots!

Let's play a game:

Who was picked as McCain VP? Given the existing intelligent, strong women they could have picked from, they went with Palin.

Snowe, herself, said the party has changed.

I think there's a difference between celebrating succesful women and allowing them to exist within your party.

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Garet Garrett: Seriously: Thatcher, Merkel, Rice, Haley, Palin, Meir, Brewer, Blackburn, Elizabeth I, Victoria --- the list could go on a while. All enormously respected by the right.

Wow, you mean they like people that toe their line?

What were their policy positions on women's issues?

Are they not strong, intelligent women? At least some of them are which counters the original point to which Garet was responding, that 'all conservatvies are afraid of strong intelligent women'.

Whether or not they were pro-choice or pro-birth control has nothing to do with it.

That has everything to do with it, as they don't like these people because they are strong or intelligent. They like them because they toe the conservative line.

Or maybe you can come up with some strong, intelligent women that lean liberal and still get praise from conservatives?

The original post claimed that conservatives were afraid of 'strong, intelligent women'. It mentioned nothing at all with whether the women leaned liberal or not. Watch out moving them goalposts, people have gotten electrocuted when walking through power lines.

So you can't name any?

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

Out East, being Indian means being 1/32nd. Or something like that. There's been massive assimilation of Eastern tribes. How many Indians who benefit from east coast casinos are white as me? Most, actually. Out west, being Indian is an entirely different matter. Once you cross the Mississippi the idea of "1/32 Lakota Sioux" is jettisoned out the farking window. There was far less assimilation out west and the massive reservations, not to mention unique culture of poverty and blame, make the definition of Indian a different matter.

Basically, this guy is talking out of his ass. Shocking.

Mose: LordJiro: This woman scares the shiat out of you right-wing pussies, doesn't she?

Masshole here. I'm not voting for her because I don't particularly like the woman or her campaign message so far. I'm ok with Scott Brown and I like Kerry, both of whom I've voted for.

Go figure, eh?

What message is that?

colon_pow: its just a matter of time. this reminds me (almost) of when anthony weiner was twistin in the wind, just before he resigned.

I dont think americans have as many hangups about this as they do about penii.

liam76: Dusk-You-n-Me: She is special, and her ethnicity has nothing to do with it

Then why did she make an issue of 1/32 of her ethnicity?

I hands down want her to win over Brown, but claiming minority status based off being 1/32 something is at best a stupid thing to do. And her claim of "wanting to be invited to events with simliar people" is complete BS.

"The standards for who counts as an American Indian vary from tribe to tribe, and hinge in part on when you applied. Prior to 1963, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (that is, those who weren't forcibly relocated by the federal government in the 1830s) granted tribal membership to anyone who could prove he was 1/32 Cherokee. Per their site: "All direct lineal descendants of the ancestor listed on the 1924 Baker Roll must have been living on August 14, 1963, possess at least 1/32 degree of Eastern Cherokee blood, [and] have applied for membership prior to August 14, 1963." For those who applied after 1963, the standards went up to 1/16. Bill John Baker, principal chief of the Cherokee Nation-an umbrella group which includes the Easter Cherokee-is 1/32 Cherokee, which was the subject of a minor controversy prior to his election, but obviously not a deal-breaker." http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/05/elizabeth-warren-is-part-nativ e-american

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

It's embarrassing that this native american tribe chose someone who is 31/32nds european to be their chief. I'd be farking ashamed if I were in the tribe and we picked a white guy to be the tribe. And if everyone in the tribe is 1/32nd, then what's the point of having it anymore?

Seriously, what's the farking point?

The entire story is flawed by the basic fact that most Massachusetts residents don't really give a shiat.

Now the fact that Obama tapped her to run the Consumer Protection Agency and the Republicans wouldn't dare see her get the job? That interests us.

The fact that in one session Scott Brown has become what he said he wouldn't?

That interests us.

And that Brown's main re-election contributions are from NYC?

Oh you'd better believe that interests us....

actualhuman: ace in your face: keylock71: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Is is any weirder than the hundreds of thousands of Americans with a similar amount of Irish blood claiming they're "Irish" to anyone who will listen?

None of the people I know who claim to be Irish are of that little blood.

Where the fark do you live? Cork?

Most communities married others from their country of origin. My grandmother is completely of Irish heritage and her family has been in America since the famine. My great grandfathers family has been in america since the 1600s and he was still 100 percent Dutch. It isn't rare by any means. Being 1/32 of anything and knowing it is rare. Claiming it as your race is rather bizarre.

HotWingConspiracy: So you can't name any?

Not doing yourself any favors by doubling down on an irrelevant question.

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

Because it left him no option other than to double down.

burning_bridge: So some stupid 18 year old kid checks a box on some college thing and 30 years later it costs them a potential government seat? And I used to think Japan was weird for having a culture where if a kid got caught shoplifting it basically ruined their entire life.

Really, this is over something she did when she was a kid? Wow, keep digging--maybe you can find out that she wasn't potty-trained until she was three or something.

keylock71: ace in your face: None of the people I know who claim to be Irish are of that little blood....

That's not what I asked you. Is it any weirder or disingenuous? Same goes for those claiming Italian or Polish ancestry.

As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I've met plenty of Americans who claim to be "Irish", not of Irish ancestry, both here in the states and when I lived in Dublin in the 90s. The Irish would nod and smile and move the conversation along to something else.

I see this as essentially the same thing and it's about as "controversial" or "outrageous" as some college student putting on a fake brogue, drinking Guinness on St Patrick's Day and listening to U2 to "get in touch with his Irish roots".

I can't recall any push to have more Irish as professors at universities.

St Patrick's Day is only one day a year.

A professor should be alittle mor ehonest about these things than a students.

ace in your face: actualhuman: ace in your face: keylock71: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Is is any weirder than the hundreds of thousands of Americans with a similar amount of Irish blood claiming they're "Irish" to anyone who will listen?

None of the people I know who claim to be Irish are of that little blood.

Where the fark do you live? Cork?

Most communities married others from their country of origin. My grandmother is completely of Irish heritage and her family has been in America since the famine. My great grandfathers family has been in america since the 1600s and he was still 100 percent Dutch. It isn't rare by any means. Being 1/32 of anything and knowing it is rare. Claiming it as your race is rather bizarre.

Oh I see. The pure-bloods don't realize you're allowed to have more than one ethnicity, or else think it's "dirty".

/Maximum trolling... but that's pretty much what I get out of your statements here.

HotWingConspiracy: LOL, Breitbart is still dead.

Steaming, aromatic mound of THIS!

sprawl15: HotWingConspiracy: So you can't name any?

Not doing yourself any favors by doubling down on an irrelevant question.

I just find it amusing to cite only people that they already agree with. Gee, you're not afraid of people in your camp? The real meat is their policies.

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

It's embarrassing that this native american tribe chose someone who is 31/32nds european to be their chief. I'd be farking ashamed if I were in the tribe and we picked a white guy to be the tribe. And if everyone in the tribe is 1/32nd, then what's the point of having it anymore?

Seriously, what's the farking point?

Maybe you should ask them instead of pissing all over their group because you dislike Warren.

"Ooopy doopy! Once we gettum Elizabeth Warren in office we gonna teach them paleface bankers a thing or two"

keylock71: ace in your face: None of the people I know who claim to be Irish are of that little blood....

That's not what I asked you. Is it any weirder or disingenuous? Same goes for those claiming Italian or Polish ancestry.

As far as anecdotal evidence goes, I've met plenty of Americans who claim to be "Irish", not of Irish ancestry, both here in the states and when I lived in Dublin in the 90s. The Irish would nod and smile and move the conversation along to something else.

I see this as essentially the same thing and it's about as "controversial" or "outrageous" as some college student putting on a fake brogue, drinking Guinness on St Patrick's Day and listening to U2 to "get in touch with his Irish roots".

I answered the question that way because I don't know anyone who you claim does that. moreover, merely claiming to be a background isn't the same as checking it as your ethnicity. I don't know this woman, and I'm not a conservative or anything, I just think that making 1/32 of your bloodline into your racial identifier is farking weird. I know people who are a quarter black who don't claim it. I know lots of people who are HALF Jewish and don't claim it. I just think it's a weird thing to do and I'm clearly not alone. You apparently see it differently.

seelorq: liam76: Dusk-You-n-Me: She is special, and her ethnicity has nothing to do with it

Then why did she make an issue of 1/32 of her ethnicity?

I hands down want her to win over Brown, but claiming minority status based off being 1/32 something is at best a stupid thing to do. And her claim of "wanting to be invited to events with simliar people" is complete BS.

"The standards for who counts as an American Indian vary from tribe to tribe, and hinge in part on when you applied. Prior to 1963, the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (that is, those who weren't forcibly relocated by the federal government in the 1830s) granted tribal membership to anyone who could prove he was 1/32 Cherokee. Per their site: "All direct lineal descendants of the ancestor listed on the 1924 Baker Roll must have been living on August 14, 1963, possess at least 1/32 degree of Eastern Cherokee blood, [and] have applied for membership prior to August 14, 1963." For those who applied after 1963, the standards went up to 1/16. Bill John Baker, principal chief of the Cherokee Nation-an umbrella group which includes the Easter Cherokee-is 1/32 Cherokee, which was the subject of a minor controversy prior to his election, but obviously not a deal-breaker." http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/05/elizabeth-warren-is-part-nativ e-american

Sow e are in agreement.

She has no farking business claiming to be Indian. Noither through common sense reasons (only being 1/32), or throught he rules of the actual tribe.

keylock71: I guess I'm just not seeing as the big deal breaker some folks want me to see it as. Warren's views are more closely aligned with my views than Brown's are, so wether she's Cherokee, English, Panamanian or Estonian, she's going to get my vote in November. *shrugs*

If I was voting there I would vote the same. Doesn't mean you have to ignore hos stupid it is for a girl with 1/32 indian heritage to claim to be a minority because of it.

HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

It's embarrassing that this native american tribe chose someone who is 31/32nds european to be their chief. I'd be farking ashamed if I were in the tribe and we picked a white guy to be the tribe. And if everyone in the tribe is 1/32nd, then what's the point of having it anymore?

Seriously, what's the farking point?

Maybe you should ask them instead of pissing all over their group because you dislike Warren.

But you don't understand. It's not just about Warren. Debby has been bothered by this for years. Consumed even. Lots and lots of sleepless nights over this question.

Some kids said they didn't notice Elizabeth Warren at their events.

This can also be read as - Elizabeth Warren lied about her native heritage because she wanted a higher paycheck.

Because we all know, affirmative action means minorities get a higher paycheck, right subby? That's how it works. Oh, you're a minority? Cool, you get the minority bonus then.

skullkrusher: Skarekrough: The entire story is flawed by the basic fact that most Massachusetts residents don't really give a shiat.

Now the fact that Obama tapped her to run the Consumer Protection Agency and the Republicans wouldn't dare see her get the job? That interests us.

The fact that in one session Scott Brown has become what he said he wouldn't?

That interests us.

And that Brown's main re-election contributions are from NYC?

Oh you'd better believe that interests us....

most of Warren's contributions are from out of state as well

Just read up on it. Warren is at 61% and Brown is at 66%. Warren's notable out-of-state donations are from California whereas Brown's notable out-of-state donations are from Texas and NY.

Texas, eh?

actualhuman: ace in your face: actualhuman: ace in your face: keylock71: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Is is any weirder than the hundreds of thousands of Americans with a similar amount of Irish blood claiming they're "Irish" to anyone who will listen?

None of the people I know who claim to be Irish are of that little blood.

Where the fark do you live? Cork?

Most communities married others from their country of origin. My grandmother is completely of Irish heritage and her family has been in America since the famine. My great grandfathers family has been in america since the 1600s and he was still 100 percent Dutch. It isn't rare by any means. Being 1/32 of anything and knowing it is rare. Claiming it as your race is rather bizarre.

Oh I see. The pure-bloods don't realize you're allowed to have more than one ethnicity, or else think it's "dirty".

/Maximum trolling... but that's pretty much what I get out of your statements here.

You think I consider myself a pure blood? I'm a mutt. I'm a quarter Irish, a quarter Italian, an eighth Dutch and then some sort of amounts of English scottish and Swiss. I think the Swiss might be like a 16th or 32nd and I certainly wouldn't claim it as my heritage and I don't own anything Swiss or have any Swiss family traditions. I'm not making judgements on anyone for being a mutt, but using your fractional amount of possible background in a heritage you didn't even grown up knowing is a little odd to me.

More_Like_A_Stain: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

It's embarrassing that this native american tribe chose someone who is 31/32nds european to be their chief. I'd be farking ashamed if I were in the tribe and we picked a white guy to be the tribe. And if everyone in the tribe is 1/32nd, then what's the point of having it anymore?

Seriously, what's the farking point?

Maybe you should ask them instead of pissing all over their group because you dislike Warren.

But you don't understand. It's not just about Warren. Debby has been bothered by this for years. Consumed even. Lots and lots of sleepless nights over this question.

Awwww, someone is laughing at your precious senate candidate? Oh dear I hope we haven't hurt your feelings.

Take heart, Warren is going to win and it won't be close. The election of a GOP senator in Massachusetts is an anomaly that will return to normal this November. But we're still laughing at Big Chief Warren and rightly so. Too bad you have no sense of humor, and are too blinded politically to view any issue objectively.

HotWingConspiracy: I just find it amusing to cite only people that they already agree with. Gee, you're not afraid of people in your camp? The real meat is their policies.

Maybe you can borrow Obama's magical time machine and change the original question to something you want to argue about.

LordJiro, trotsky, keylock71 and others are gleefully explaining to everyone how Warren, who is getting her ass kicked in the nation's bluest state, is so frightening to all those right-wing 'pussies'. Comedy gold!

lennavan: Some kids said they didn't notice Elizabeth Warren at their events.

Yes, some kids, like the Executive Director of the Harvard University Native American Program.

sprawl15: HotWingConspiracy: I just find it amusing to cite only people that they already agree with. Gee, you're not afraid of people in your camp? The real meat is their policies.

Maybe you can borrow Obama's magical time machine and change the original question to something you want to argue about.

It wasn't my pee in your cereal this morning, brah.

I'm declaring victory here.

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

It's embarrassing that this native american tribe chose someone who is 31/32nds european to be their chief. I'd be farking ashamed if I were in the tribe and we picked a white guy to be the tribe. And if everyone in the tribe is 1/32nd, then what's the point of having it anymore?

Seriously, what's the farking point?

If the only thing you have left is the argument that a group, to which you don't hold membership, isn't exclusive enough then perhaps you have more pressing tasks? Maybe the lawn needs mowed? Does the sock drawer need organized?

cryinoutloud: Really, this is over something she did when she was a kid? Wow, keep digging--maybe you can find out that she wasn't potty-trained until she was three or something.

When I was in middle school I started spelling my name "Melyssa" because I thought the "y" looked really cool. Guess I can never run for office.

Debeo Summa Credo: More_Like_A_Stain: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

It's embarrassing that this native american tribe chose someone who is 31/32nds european to be their chief. I'd be farking ashamed if I were in the tribe and we picked a white guy to be the tribe. And if everyone in the tribe is 1/32nd, then what's the point of having it anymore?

Seriously, what's the farking point?

Maybe you should ask them instead of pissing all over their group because you dislike Warren.

But you don't understand. It's not just about Warren. Debby has been bothered by this for years. Consumed even. Lots and lots of sleepless nights over this question.

Awwww, someone is laughing at your precious senate candidate? Oh dear I hope we haven't hurt your feelings.

Take heart, Warren is going to win and it won't be close. The election of a GOP senator in Massachusetts is an anomaly that will return to normal this November. But we're still laughing at Big Chief Warren and rightly so. Too bad you have no sense of humor, and are too blinded politically to view any issue objectively.

Not my candidate, as I don't live in Mass. And my mom says I have a great sense of humor. But isn't the whole point of bringing this up so that conservatives have something other than real issues to talk about?

HotWingConspiracy: I'm declaring victory here.

ON THIS DAY, THE EIGHTH OF MAY
IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2012
HotWingConspiracy CONSTRUCTED
AND PROCEEDED TO SUCCESSFULLY
ATTACK A STRAWMAN. VICTORY WAS
ACHIEVED FOR ALL AMERICANS



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skullkrusher: Skarekrough: skullkrusher: Skarekrough: The entire story is flawed by the basic fact that most Massachusetts residents don't really give a shiat.

Now the fact that Obama tapped her to run the Consumer Protection Agency and the Republicans wouldn't dare see her get the job? That interests us.

The fact that in one session Scott Brown has become what he said he wouldn't?

That interests us.

And that Brown's main re-election contributions are from NYC?

Oh you'd better believe that interests us....

most of Warren's contributions are from out of state as well

Just read up on it. Warren is at 61% and Brown is at 66%. Warren's notable out-of-state donations are from California whereas Brown's notable out-of-state donations are from Texas and NY.

Texas, eh?

carpetbagging by proxy!

It just gives credence to the suckling on the oil industry's teat.

redmid17: Skarekrough: skullkrusher: Skarekrough: The entire story is flawed by the basic fact that most Massachusetts residents don't really give a shiat.

Now the fact that Obama tapped her to run the Consumer Protection Agency and the Republicans wouldn't dare see her get the job? That interests us.

The fact that in one session Scott Brown has become what he said he wouldn't?

That interests us.

And that Brown's main re-election contributions are from NYC?

Oh you'd better believe that interests us....

most of Warren's contributions are from out of state as well

Just read up on it. Warren is at 61% and Brown is at 66%. Warren's notable out-of-state donations are from California whereas Brown's notable out-of-state donations are from Texas and NY.

Texas, eh?

All his exes live in Texas?

That got a dry smile out of me.

Nice work.

More_Like_A_Stain: Debeo Summa Credo: More_Like_A_Stain: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Debeo Summa Credo: Magorn: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

You mean like the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation, Bill John Baker who is also 1/32nd Cherokee?

Yes, that is incredibly ridiculous as well. Are the Cherokees so integrated and assimilated that the best they could do was elect a 1/32nd Cherokee as their Chief? What an embarrassment.

Why is that embarrassing?

It's embarrassing that this native american tribe chose someone who is 31/32nds european to be their chief. I'd be farking ashamed if I were in the tribe and we picked a white guy to be the tribe. And if everyone in the tribe is 1/32nd, then what's the point of having it anymore?

Seriously, what's the farking point?

Maybe you should ask them instead of pissing all over their group because you dislike Warren.

But you don't understand. It's not just about Warren. Debby has been bothered by this for years. Consumed even. Lots and lots of sleepless nights over this question.

Awwww, someone is laughing at your precious senate candidate? Oh dear I hope we haven't hurt your feelings.

Take heart, Warren is going to win and it won't be close. The election of a GOP senator in Massachusetts is an anomaly that will return to normal this November. But we're still laughing at Big Chief Warren and rightly so. Too bad you have no sense of humor, and are too blinded politically to view any issue objectively.

Not my candidate, as I don't live in Mass. And my mom says I have a great sense of humor. But isn't the whole point of bringing this up so that conservatives have something other than real issues to talk about?

Welcome to fark. If your mom is right you'll enjoy the many funny links in the politics tab every week that disparage conservatives for one reason or anothe but don't deal with the real issues, either.

sprawl15: HotWingConspiracy: I'm declaring victory here.

ON THIS DAY, THE EIGHTH OF MAY
IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD 2012
HotWingConspiracy CONSTRUCTED
AND PROCEEDED TO SUCCESSFULLY
ATTACK A STRAWMAN. VICTORY WAS
ACHIEVED FOR ALL AMERICANS

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Silly, I merely expanded on the question. ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

In order to assert someone is lying isn't some kind of proof usually in order?

Well, if it says it's so in a Fark headline and Zombiebart is backing it up I guess it must be legit.

*blink*

ace in your face: I'm not making judgements on anyone for being a mutt, but using your fractional amount of possibledocumented background in a heritage you didn't even grown up knowing is a little odd to me.

And that right there is why I don't take your argument seriously. That you've spent this long arguing about the topic and are either pretending to be or actually that ignorant about it rings patently false.

Why does someone have to grow up in an ethnic community to be a member of that ethnicity? This is a usage of the term I've never come across. As you obviously know most of us Americans have a wide range of ethnic backgrounds and a lot of us grow up in areas where only part, or even none, of our ethnic background is represented in the community. That doesn't preclude us from getting back in touch with that part of our heritage when we're able to do so anymore than learning to cook French food precludes someone from learning to cook Indian food. You're going out of your way to narrow the definition of ethnicity in an awkward and artificial way.

I find it incredibly fascinating how many of the usual suspects are wharrrrrggggbbbbblllling it up in this thread, yet I've barely seen hide nor hair of them in an Obama-Rmoney thread. Hmmmmmm.

Bontesla: Dusk-You-n-Me: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Bill John Baker is only 1/32 Cherokee, and he's the Cherokee Nation Principal Chief.

This CANNOT be repeated enough.

Repeating it once was pointless because it's irrelevant. It's not just the number 1/32 that's the problem. She is white, not just by majority ethnicity, but culturally. She has no cultural or societal ties whatsoever to the native tribe. Apart from "hearing stories" growing up, she in no way identifies with the native tribe, nor has she made any effort to involve herself in the culture or in issues relevant to the Cherokee. She is socially, culturally and traditionally white and nothing else. But, she checked the box, legally, and that allowed Harvard to tout their diversity. It is disingenuous.

Bill John Baker, on the other hand, while also being 1/32 Cherokee is quite obviously the opposite and identifies with the Cherokee culturally and has been immensely involved in the tribe. I'm only 3 generations removed from Germany, but don't call myself German because it's ridiculous.

keylock71: You've got a strange definition of "ass kicking", my friend:

Massachusetts Senate - Brown vs. Warren



Yeah...your link has Brown winning in almost every single poll - us right-wing pussies are scared shiatless, 'my friend'

Bierbart was like the Lich King - he was actually doing something to hold back the tide of stupid. With his death, it is running rampant.

Apocalyptic Inferno: Bontesla: Dusk-You-n-Me: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Bill John Baker is only 1/32 Cherokee, and he's the Cherokee Nation Principal Chief.

This CANNOT be repeated enough.

Repeating it once was pointless because it's irrelevant. It's not just the number 1/32 that's the problem. She is white, not just by majority ethnicity, but culturally. She has no cultural or societal ties whatsoever to the native tribe. Apart from "hearing stories" growing up, she in no way identifies with the native tribe, nor has she made any effort to involve herself in the culture or in issues relevant to the Cherokee. She is socially, culturally and traditionally white and nothing else. But, she checked the box, legally, and that allowed Harvard to tout their diversity. It is disingenuous.

Bill John Baker, on the other hand, while also being 1/32 Cherokee is quite obviously the opposite and identifies with the Cherokee culturally and has been immensely involved in the tribe. I'm only 3 generations removed from Germany, but don't call myself German because it's ridiculous.

How on earth could you possibly know how much connection this woman has to her heritage without constantly stocking her beginning many years ago?

/Oh I see....

cryinoutloud: Really, this is over something she did when she was a kid? Wow, keep digging--maybe you can find out that she wasn't potty-trained until she was three or something.

stop giving them ideas

saintstryfe: Bierbart was like the Lich King - he was actually doing something to hold back the tide of stupid. With his death, it is running rampant.

My husband lol'd and responded, "he's the Lich Derp"

actualhuman: ace in your face: I'm not making judgements on anyone for being a mutt, but using your fractional amount of possibledocumented background in a heritage you didn't even grown up knowing is a little odd to me.

And that right there is why I don't take your argument seriously. That you've spent this long arguing about the topic and are either pretending to be or actually that ignorant about it rings patently false.

Why does someone have to grow up in an ethnic community to be a member of that ethnicity? This is a usage of the term I've never come across. As you obviously know most of us Americans have a wide range of ethnic backgrounds and a lot of us grow up in areas where only part, or even none, of our ethnic background is represented in the community. That doesn't preclude us from getting back in touch with that part of our heritage when we're able to do so anymore than learning to cook French food precludes someone from learning to cook Indian food. You're going out of your way to narrow the definition of ethnicity in an awkward and artificial way.

It says in the article her native American heritage has not been documented beyond "family lore". The rest of your argument is rather silly in my opinion, but obviously you think mine is. Only on fark would this be means for a full fledged retard argument. I'm not out to change your mind about it. I think it's weird. I wrote I think it's weird and disingenuous. You are going full retard over that statement. I think you need to take a time out from the Internet.

actualhuman: Apocalyptic Inferno: Bontesla: Dusk-You-n-Me: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Bill John Baker is only 1/32 Cherokee, and he's the Cherokee Nation Principal Chief.

This CANNOT be repeated enough.

Repeating it once was pointless because it's irrelevant. It's not just the number 1/32 that's the problem. She is white, not just by majority ethnicity, but culturally. She has no cultural or societal ties whatsoever to the native tribe. Apart from "hearing stories" growing up, she in no way identifies with the native tribe, nor has she made any effort to involve herself in the culture or in issues relevant to the Cherokee. She is socially, culturally and traditionally white and nothing else. But, she checked the box, legally, and that allowed Harvard to tout their diversity. It is disingenuous.

Bill John Baker, on the other hand, while also being 1/32 Cherokee is quite obviously the opposite and identifies with the Cherokee culturally and has been immensely involved in the tribe. I'm only 3 generations removed from Germany, but don't call myself German because it's ridiculous.

How on earth could you possibly know how much connection this woman has to her heritage without constantly stocking her beginning many years ago?

/Oh I see....

Because in explaining her reasoning for checking the box, the only thing she offered up as an explanation was that she heard stories growing up. Obviously, I am making the assumption that if she were truly involved in the Cherokee and identified with them culturally, she would have stated that in her case, but she didn't.

The situation doesn't bother me. I think she's immensely qualified and certainly the best candidate and I would vote for her if I lived in her state.

ace in your face: It says in the article her native American heritage has not been documented beyond "family lore"

And the good folks at Brietbart.com would never, ever prevaricate to make a Democrat look bad. No, no, no.

Document ties Warren kin to Cherokees (Note that this was posted a week ago).

Also, when checking the box, she said she hoped someone would invite her to a luncheon or something. She hoped someone would come to her and involve her. There were plenty of ways she could have involved herself, but apparently nothing like that ever happened, because no one invited her to a luncheon. It's quite obvious the whole thing was disingenuous.

Debeo Summa Credo: [www.jrj-socrates.com image 228x150]

"Ooopy doopy! Once we gettum Elizabeth Warren in office we gonna teach them paleface bankers a thing or two"

I know a few pissed off Lakota Sioux that would beat the shiat out of you, then steal your vehicle, money and clothes, leaving your pasty white ass on the back 40 of Pine Ridge for putting that kind of shiat in real life.

Internet Tuff Guys, how do they work.

sweetmelissa31: cryinoutloud: Really, this is over something she did when she was a kid? Wow, keep digging--maybe you can find out that she wasn't potty-trained until she was three or something.
When I was in middle school I started spelling my name "Melyssa" because I thought the "y" looked really cool. Guess I can never run for office.

I'm pretty sure that means that you were a lesbian then. IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. Slut.

But we need to look no further than your Fark profile pic to know that you are unfit for any office.

Keylock71 - sorry, can't reply, too scared I might get scalped by the fearsome Cherokee warrior.

And a Farklib accusing ANYONE of posting from an 'echo chamber'! More Comedy

Apocalyptic Inferno: Bontesla: Dusk-You-n-Me: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Bill John Baker is only 1/32 Cherokee, and he's the Cherokee Nation Principal Chief.

This CANNOT be repeated enough.

Repeating it once was pointless because it's irrelevant. It's not just the number 1/32 that's the problem. She is white, not just by majority ethnicity, but culturally. She has no cultural or societal ties whatsoever to the native tribe. Apart from "hearing stories" growing up, she in no way identifies with the native tribe, nor has she made any effort to involve herself in the culture or in issues relevant to the Cherokee. She is socially, culturally and traditionally white and nothing else. But, she checked the box, legally, and that allowed Harvard to tout their diversity. It is disingenuous.

Bill John Baker, on the other hand, while also being 1/32 Cherokee is quite obviously the opposite and identifies with the Cherokee culturally and has been immensely involved in the tribe. I'm only 3 generations removed from Germany, but don't call myself German because it's ridiculous.

You do realize that identifying one's self, culturally, does not sufficiently meet the requirement to be considered a member of the Cherokee nation.

You must also realize that your personal preference does not qualify as standard-setting.

Warren fits the minimum requirement. Her fulfillment of this qualification has been commonly accepted by other institutions and organization (Harvard, for example).

While you may disagree with the common practice of recognizing someone this far down the line as having Cherokee heritage - perhaps there is a reason for this practice (a genocide and general "whitening" of the tribes).

Obviously Warren understood her heritage enough to claim and self-identify with it. Is it not entirely possible that she is an active participant and you're ignorant of it?

Thune: You guys are pathetic.

Is there ANYTHING of any level of depravity that a progressive can do that you won't instantly start deflecting for?

Come up with something of substance instead of shiat that will never EVER affect her ability to fulfill her duties in office and maybe we'll bat our eyes more than once.

trotsky: Debeo Summa Credo: [www.jrj-socrates.com image 228x150]

"Ooopy doopy! Once we gettum Elizabeth Warren in office we gonna teach them paleface bankers a thing or two"

I know a few pissed off Lakota Sioux that would beat the shiat out of you, then steal your vehicle, money and clothes, leaving your pasty white ass on the back 40 of Pine Ridge for putting that kind of shiat in real life.

Internet Tuff Guys, how do they work.

I don't know, by posting secondhand threats about what a couple of Lakota Sioux would do about a cartoon from the 1960s? Is that how ITGs work?

Libs, please save some of your butthurt for November. You're going to need it

keylock71: mark rathburn: keylock71: You've got a strange definition of "ass kicking", my friend:

Massachusetts Senate - Brown vs. Warren



Yeah...your link has Brown winning in almost every single poll - us right-wing pussies are scared shiatless, 'my friend'

He's leading by 1.2 points overall... You do know what the "margin of error" is, right Einstein?

Now feel free to explain to the class how a lead well within the margin of error for an incumbent is considered an "ass kicking" anywhere except for the little right-wing pussy echo chamber you're contacting us from.

How is this possible? The New York Post had a poll today showing Romney up 1%. Maybe its because I spend so much time on Fark and Fark these days is about 90% liberal, but how could these races be so close?

Warren should clobber Brown in Mass., and Obama should clobber Romney nationally. Oddsmakers sill put Obama as a pretty big favorite (-210), but why are the polls so close? I just can't see how Romeny can come close.

actualhuman: Why does someone have to grow up in an ethnic community to be a member of that ethnicity? This is a usage of the term I've never come across. As you obviously know most of us Americans have a wide range of ethnic backgrounds and a lot of us grow up in areas where only part, or even none, of our ethnic background is represented in the community. That doesn't preclude us from getting back in touch with that part of our heritage when we're able to do so anymore than learning to cook French food precludes someone from learning to cook Indian food. You're going out of your way to narrow the definition of ethnicity in an awkward and artificial way.

Why does it matter? Because in higher education we allow people to reap benefits for claiming to be from certain minority groups. We do this because those minorities are underprivileged or underrepresented in a particular field. The reasons we allow race based discrimination have been argued all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court has said it's acceptable because affirmative action is narrowly tailored to remedy past discrimination.

Elizabeth Warren, as a lawyer and a Harvard Law professor, knows this. She knows why law schools have AA programs, she knows who they are intended to benefit, and she knows that she isn't the intended beneficiary. In other words, she knows that she did something improper.

It has nothing to do with lying about being 1/32 Native, because be all accounts she is 1/32 native. It has to do with her using that claim a minority status in a field (law professors) where minority status is strongly preferred. She gained an unfair advantage over others by doing so, including others who are legitimately intended to be the recipients of AA.

Warren is talented enough and brilliant enough that she didn't need to make those claims to get a job. However, she allowed her employers to claim her as a minority professor in order to boost their minority faculty rankings with the AALS. Warren's hiring as a 'minority' could very well have crowded out the hiring of a professor who really was from a disadvantaged or underrepresented population.

Which is why her campaign is continually making up lame excuses for her actions instead of just coming out and saying 'yes, I did that and my employers benefited from it.' Because in the "real world" claiming to be a minority when you look white doesn't matter. But it does matter in the world of academia where Warren is from, and she knows it. In the world of academic (especially legal academia) people have been fired for far lesser offenses.

It also goes to Warren's character. As a person who apparently supports affirmative action in law school hiring, she shouldn't be undermining that system for either her benefit or for that of her employer. The system exists to help disadvantaged populations, and Warren clearly doesn't fall into that category. It also goes to the effectiveness of AA programs generally. If Elizabeth Warren counts as a disadvantaged minority for AA purposes, then it turns out AA programs are not as 'narrowly tailored' as the Supreme Court was led to believe. People who have no need for AA game the system in order to receive benefits they are not entitled to.

actualhuman: ace in your face: It says in the article her native American heritage has not been documented beyond "family lore"

And the good folks at Brietbart.com would never, ever prevaricate to make a Democrat look bad. No, no, no.

Document ties Warren kin to Cherokees (Note that this was posted a week ago).

Thats fine. It doesn't change my opinion. If it said she grew up on a Cherokee reservation or going to their events it might. The article says her great x 3 grandma is listed as cherokee which still may not even make her 1/32 Cherokee since she could have been mixed. Really it's not enough for me to believe it makes her native enough to check the box and that's what I was commenting on.

All of this "lets give extra benefits to non-whites" is the real issue here. Black, white, native american, asian? Who cares? Crap like this is exactly what keeps our country on this "racist" path.

Warren, similar to that Bill John Baker fellow, are just political hacks that wants to abuse the system.

Talondel: actualhuman: Why does someone have to grow up in an ethnic community to be a member of that ethnicity? This is a usage of the term I've never come across. As you obviously know most of us Americans have a wide range of ethnic backgrounds and a lot of us grow up in areas where only part, or even none, of our ethnic background is represented in the community. That doesn't preclude us from getting back in touch with that part of our heritage when we're able to do so anymore than learning to cook French food precludes someone from learning to cook Indian food. You're going out of your way to narrow the definition of ethnicity in an awkward and artificial way.

Why does it matter? Because in higher education we allow people to reap benefits for claiming to be from certain minority groups. We do this because those minorities are underprivileged or underrepresented in a particular field. The reasons we allow race based discrimination have been argued all the way up to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court has said it's acceptable because affirmative action is narrowly tailored to remedy past discrimination.

Elizabeth Warren, as a lawyer and a Harvard Law professor, knows this. She knows why law schools have AA programs, she knows who they are intended to benefit, and she knows that she isn't the intended beneficiary. In other words, she knows that she did something improper.

It has nothing to do with lying about being 1/32 Native, because be all accounts she is 1/32 native. It has to do with her using that claim a minority status in a field (law professors) where minority status is strongly preferred. She gained an unfair advantage over others by doing so, including others who are legitimately intended to be the recipients of AA.

Warren is talented enough and brilliant enough that she didn't need to make those claims to get a job. However, she allowed her employers to claim her as a minority professor in order to boost their minority faculty rankings with the AALS. Warren's hiring as a 'minority' could very well have crowded out the hiring of a professor who really was from a disadvantaged or underrepresented population.

Which is why her campaign is continually making up lame excuses for her actions instead of just coming out and saying 'yes, I did that and my employers benefited from it.' Because in the "real world" claiming to be a minority when you look white doesn't matter. But it does matter in the world of academia where Warren is from, and she knows it. In the world of academic (especially legal academia) people have been fired for far lesser offenses.

It also goes to Warren's character. As a person who apparently supports affirmative action in law school hiring, she shouldn't be undermining that system for either her benefit or for that of her employer. The system exists to help disadvantaged populations, and Warren clearly doesn't fall into that category. It also goes to the effectiveness of AA programs generally. If Elizabeth Warren counts as a disadvantaged minority for AA purposes, then it turns out AA programs are not as 'narrowly tailored' as the Supreme Court was led to believe. People who have no need for AA game the system in order to receive benefits they are not entitled to.

That's a nice wall o' text there, but do you have any actual proof Warren ever used affirmative action?

Jackson Herring: Ahhhh oh my god, for real? Why would you lie and misrepresent yourself in such a way?

Says the man who is depicted as an erotically muscular bull riding a skateboard in his profile.

So Republicans can trash the U.S. economy to make a profit as long as it's technically legal and clearly immoral, but when a Democrat does something legal that harms nobody to make infinitely less, she's an immoral biatch?

Bontesla: Apocalyptic Inferno: Bontesla: Dusk-You-n-Me: ace in your face: I don't know anything about this race right now, but all that aside, claiming to be native when you might possibly be 1/32 native is incredibly disingenuous and weird.

Bill John Baker is only 1/32 Cherokee, and he's the Cherokee Nation Principal Chief.

This CANNOT be repeated enough.

Repeating it once was pointless because it's irrelevant. It's not just the number 1/32 that's the problem. She is white, not just by majority ethnicity, but culturally. She has no cultural or societal ties whatsoever to the native tribe. Apart from "hearing stories" growing up, she in no way identifies with the native tribe, nor has she made any effort to involve herself in the culture or in issues relevant to the Cherokee. She is socially, culturally and traditionally white and nothing else. But, she checked the box, legally, and that allowed Harvard to tout their diversity. It is disingenuous.

Bill John Baker, on the other hand, while also being 1/32 Cherokee is quite obviously the opposite and identifies with the Cherokee culturally and has been immensely involved in the tribe. I'm only 3 generations removed from Germany, but don't call myself German because it's ridiculous.

You do realize that identifying one's self, culturally, does not sufficiently meet the requirement to be considered a member of the Cherokee nation.

You must also realize that your personal preference does not qualify as standard-setting.

Warren fits the minimum requirement. Her fulfillment of this qualification has been commonly accepted by other institutions and organization (Harvard, for example).

While you may disagree with the common practice of recognizing someone this far down the line as having Cherokee heritage - perhaps there is a reason for this practice (a genocide and general "whitening" of the tribes).

Obviously Warren understood her heritage enough to claim and self-identify with it. Is it not entirely possible that sh ...

I acknowledged that what she did was legal, and yes it does fit the current minimum requirement. However, as I stated before, I think it's still disingenuous. She is in no way Cherokee nor, apparently, has she ever made an effort to involve herself with the Cherokee. She is culturally, traditionally and socially white and always has been. What she did was perfectly legal, but I would not do the same.

This is such a non-story, it makes my head hurt to think about.

Apocalyptic Inferno: I acknowledged that what she did was legal, and yes it does fit the current minimum requirement. However, as I stated before, I think it's still disingenuous. She is in no way Cherokee nor, apparently, has she ever made an effort to involve herself with the Cherokee. She is culturally, traditionally and socially white and always has been. What she did was perfectly legal, but I would not do the same.

I can't believe you actually think a Breitbart.com story about a Democrat is actually true.

EyeballKid: Debeo Summa Credo: The New York Post had a poll today showing Romney up 1%. Maybe its because I spend so much time on Fark and Fark these days is about 90% liberal, but how could these races be so close?

I'm sorry, I misread you and now understand that you are an intellectual beyond compare, not like these common rubes.

Now, would you be interested in a once-in-a-lifetime investment opportunity that involves a limited number of magic beans I was able to obtain?

Sigh. Forget the NY Post. Here's a link from politico:

Link

There's a national poll there conducted by George Washington University that has Romney up a point. Understanding there's margin of error and it's only may, but how is it even close to even at this point?

Yesterday I visited Breitbart and noticed right at the top (along with Big This and Big That) was Big Peace.

Big Peace gonna come git ya. Make your shiat all peaceful. Be very afraid.

Big Peace!!

I don't have a GED in psychology, but I detect some issues here.

keylock71: liam76: A professor should be alittle mor ehonest about these things than a students.

Again, as far as I can tell, she is 1/32 Cherokee. I don't think she's claiming to be a direct descendant of Wilma Mankiller, so big deal... She got listed as a minority professor to pad the University's "diversity numbers".

She didn't "get listed" she chose that.

And if you think "diversity" is important (as I am pretty sure she does) then that is very dishonest.



Azlefty: liam76: I hands down want her to win over Brown, but claiming minority status based off being 1/32 something is at best a stupid thing to do. And her claim of "wanting to be invited to events with simliar people" is complete BS.

I know of tribes who have lowered their Blood Quantum down to 1/128 in order to have more than 3 tribal members, in California 1/64 is not uncommon

I think those "tribal members" do a bit more then say, "hey I am part Indian".



Jackson Herring: liam76: prove

Oh, I see, you believed the lie in the article.

Oh, I see. You are going to pick one word out of my post and expect me to chase down answers for you when you are too lazy/stupid to get the post.

We get it. She's Indian.

keylock71: liam76: She didn't "get listed" she chose that.

And if you think "diversity" is important (as I am pretty sure she does) then that is very dishonest.

I couldn't care less, to be honest with you.
She also stopped listing herself in that manner back in the 90s, apparently.
Of all the issues in this particular campaign, as a MA resident living in an area of the state with some of the highest unemployment numbers and poverty rates, this issue is so far down on my list of concerns, it means almost nothing to me.

you don't care about integrity? interesting.

So she took the Clarence Thomas route?

Shelly Lowe, executive director of Harvard University's Native American Program (HUNAP), told Breitbart News today that U.S. Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren had not, to her knowledge, participated in the program's events while Warren was a professor at Harvard.

Based on their track record I'd assume she actually told Breitbart that Warren had extensive interest and attended events regularly.

skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Apocalyptic Inferno: I acknowledged that what she did was legal, and yes it does fit the current minimum requirement. However, as I stated before, I think it's still disingenuous. She is in no way Cherokee nor, apparently, has she ever made an effort to involve herself with the Cherokee. She is culturally, traditionally and socially white and always has been. What she did was perfectly legal, but I would not do the same.

I can't believe you actually think a Breitbart.com story about a Democrat is actually true.

what's not true about it?

Subby's headline, which has nothing to do with the article.

Wow, some people get REALLY worked up about the precise details of other people's racial history.

Dear GOP: If don't want people to think that you're racist, you need to stop bringing up your opponents' races as a campaign issue. This sort weird Pavlovian response to the merest hint of non-european ancestry is really creepy to everyone else.

Theaetetus: skullkrusher: cameroncrazy1984: Apocalyptic Inferno: I acknowledged that what she did was legal, and yes it does fit the current minimum requirement. However, as I stated before, I think it's still disingenuous. She is in no way Cherokee nor, apparently, has she ever made an effort to involve herself with the Cherokee. She is culturally, traditionally and socially white and always has been. What she did was perfectly legal, but I would not do the same.

I can't believe you actually think a Breitbart.com story about a Democrat is actually true.

what's not true about it?

Subby's headline, which has nothing to do with the article.

The only thing it the headline that isn't in the article is the "extra paycheck money."

As you are no doubt aware, Fark headlines are often not totally in line with the article.

But then again, the headline is not the Breitbart.com story either.

Apparently in order to "be white" I need to stop going to hip-hop events and basketball games, since to be genetically a race, I have to attend white people activities.

cameroncrazy1984: Apparently in order to "be white" I need to stop going to hip-hop events and basketball games, since to be genetically a race, I have to attend white people activities.

No, but you probably shouldn't put down on any official paperwork that you're 1/32 African-American.

Apocalyptic Inferno: She is in no way Cherokee nor, apparently, has she ever made an effort to involve herself with the Cherokee. She is culturally, traditionally and socially white and always has been. What she did was perfectly legal, but I would not do the same.

Shorter white guy: Minorities should act exactly how I think they act, otherwise it doesn't count.