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(Washington Post)   From now on, when asked a question you don't want to answer, just give a presidential response: "My views on this are evolving.". Bonus: Biden gaffes that make Bush look like a rocket surgeon   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 14
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2012-05-08 12:53:25 PM
4 votes:
At least he didn't say his views on gay marriage were intelligently designed.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-08 09:46:53 AM
4 votes:
I can imagine Bush trying to perform surgery on a rocket.
2012-05-08 01:26:20 PM
2 votes:

BunkyBrewman: Dan "Potatoe Head" Quayle or Dick "I'll shoot your face off" Cheney.


Yeesh. Can you imagine the kids if we let THOSE two get married?

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2012-05-08 11:45:12 AM
2 votes:
I'm still voting for Obama without hesitation, but I might start replying to every Democratic fundraising email with a note that "my views on donating to the reelection campaign are evolving"
2012-05-09 10:25:25 AM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: Chameleon: bdub77: Well...I'm voting against the stupid amendment in NC but I'm anti-marriage in general in a government sense. Civil unions for everyone, marriage should not be recognized by the state outside of the civil union. Marriage is the religious side of the equation. Separation of church and state - marriage by the church, civil unions by the state. You can have one or both.

As a married atheist, I heartily invite you to go f*ck yourself.

You're an atheist, and you still care about the magical difference between "civil union" and "marriage" based on the traditional use of the word?

I assume you are also heartily upset that gay people stole the word "gay", and really get peeved when people use slang?

Or did I completely misunderstand your post?


I'm saying that marriage should have nothing to do with religion either. The ceremony can be religious but marriage is a matter between me, my husband, the community, and the government that gives us the rights and privileges thereof. Calling it "civil unions" has absolutely no point except to bow to fundie nutjobs who are getting pissy about marriage.

Sure, to an extent the problem is semantics--if a "civil union" has all the same legal protections as a "marriage" there's no difference. But in that case, why the hell should we change the word? Why the hell should we not keep the perfectly good definition we have now?

I want it to remain "marriage" because the word has a long history and therefore carries a lot of cultural weight, which is not all negative. "Civil union" does not have the same history and would end up, right or wrong, not having the same cultural significance and not being seen as equal. I also want it to remain "marriage" because it sure pisses the idiots off when they know that my marriage, which has nothing to do with any god of any kind, is exactly the same and exactly as equal as their own marriage. And I want them to be good and pissed when gay people have exactly the same and equal marriage as them too.
2012-05-08 01:11:40 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: Well...I'm voting against the stupid amendment in NC but I'm anti-marriage in general in a government sense. Civil unions for everyone, marriage should not be recognized by the state outside of the civil union. Marriage is the religious side of the equation. Separation of church and state - marriage by the church, civil unions by the state. You can have one or both.


So you just want to change the word "marriage" to "civil union" in all the lawbooks? That's...not very helpful. We all know that anti-gay bigots don't care about the word as much as hurting homosexuals.
2012-05-08 01:01:44 PM
1 votes:
How strange. Given that Obama and Biden are the "librullest libruls that done ever librulled a librul," I would have thought they would have been all for gay marriage, by name, maybe even have a few ceremonies on the White House lawn...unless....

...is it possible that their flaming "librulness" was just a concoction of desperate Republicans, and was accepted by a press too lazy to actually check any thing deeper than a press release?

Still, gays apparently can't trust the Democrats. I'm sure the party of Rick Santorum will be far more accommodating...
2012-05-08 12:59:36 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: Well...I'm voting against the stupid amendment in NC but I'm anti-marriage in general in a government sense. Civil unions for everyone, marriage should not be recognized by the state outside of the civil union. Marriage is the religious side of the equation. Separation of church and state - marriage by the church, civil unions by the state. You can have one or both.


A marriage is a civil union in countries with a separation of church and state. The marriage ceremony is what is performed by a church and it varies.

So you're wrong. There are places where marriage is a religious institution exclusively and there, marriage has a different character and can't be accessed by people who don't meet religious requirements. Israel, for example.
2012-05-08 12:56:16 PM
1 votes:

vpb: I can imagine Bush trying to perform surgery on a rocket.


Too bad he never tried.

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2012-05-08 12:11:13 PM
1 votes:

Il Douchey: Show of hands: Who here has heard that Joe Biden failed the Delaware Bar Exam eleven times before passing it?

/And he's a heartbeat from the Presidency


Of course he did. He's a teetotaler.
2012-05-08 11:51:48 AM
1 votes:
Politicians acting like morons is a bonus?
2012-05-08 11:47:36 AM
1 votes:

Bitterrooter: I am convinced that lately Presidential candidates pick their running mates by choosing a person so awful that it prevents assassination attempts.

/ Cheney, Palin, Biden, soon Bachmann.


Jesus titty-farking Christ, man. You're going to give me a heart attack, a stroke, a deep vein thrombosis, and a pulmonary embolism simultaneously with that nightmare scenario.
2012-05-08 11:44:51 AM
1 votes:
I am convinced that lately Presidential candidates pick their running mates by choosing a person so awful that it prevents assassination attempts.

/ Cheney, Palin, Biden, soon Bachmann.
2012-05-08 10:44:18 AM
1 votes:
I'd rather have Biden than Dan "Potatoe Head" Quayle or Dick "I'll shoot your face off" Cheney.
 
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