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(Washington Post)   From now on, when asked a question you don't want to answer, just give a presidential response: "My views on this are evolving.". Bonus: Biden gaffes that make Bush look like a rocket surgeon   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 265
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-05-08 09:46:53 AM
I can imagine Bush trying to perform surgery on a rocket.
 
2012-05-08 10:00:15 AM
If you count him stating his opinion as a gaffe.
 
2012-05-08 10:08:01 AM
There's no way Obama is going to use the word "evolving" at a debate. What the fark is he waiting for?
 
2012-05-08 10:11:40 AM
I hate that honesty is the worst policy in politics today. I also hate that being tolerant and accepting of different people is also apparently a bad thing.
 
2012-05-08 10:36:54 AM

Slaxl: I hate that honesty is the worst policy in politics today. I also hate that being tolerant and accepting of different people is also apparently a bad thing.


Agreed. There is a number of things that he's afraid will cost him the election so he's keeping them in "evolution" mode. That's a shame. I think it be better if he just came out and stated his position. Afraid of losing some Independent voters? How about those of us who support gay marriage? I felt he did a better job than Clinton regarding gays in the military. I honestly was proud of that as a veteran who saw the fearful life my friends had to endure. Perhaps he supports equal opportunity for the gay community just short of marriage.
 
2012-05-08 10:36:59 AM

James!: If you count him stating his opinion as a gaffe.


admitting you are not a bigot is now apparently a gaffe

/if anyone looks stupid here it is Obama not Biden
 
2012-05-08 10:44:18 AM
I'd rather have Biden than Dan "Potatoe Head" Quayle or Dick "I'll shoot your face off" Cheney.
 
2012-05-08 10:46:44 AM

mrshowrules: James!: If you count him stating his opinion as a gaffe.

admitting you are not a bigot is now apparently a gaffe

/if anyone looks stupid here it is Obama not Biden


Yeah, and I honestly don't feel bad that Obama is having to squirm on this. State a position, you're not Romney.
 
2012-05-08 10:58:08 AM

Lumpmoose: There's no way Obama is going to use the word "evolving" at a debate. What the fark is he waiting for?


Probably for the fraction of uncommitted voters in swing states who Disapprove or Strongly Disapprove of legalizing Gay marriage to fall below 45%.
 
2012-05-08 11:41:04 AM

abb3w: Lumpmoose: There's no way Obama is going to use the word "evolving" at a debate. What the fark is he waiting for?

Probably for the fraction of uncommitted voters in swing states who Disapprove or Strongly Disapprove of legalizing Gay marriage to fall below 45%.


Ironic that the GOP now actually has a very strong pandering argument against Obama that they probably won't even use.
 
2012-05-08 11:42:18 AM
Show of hands: who here thinks Obama only supports everything but marriage like the state of Washington had up to a month or so ago?
 
2012-05-08 11:44:51 AM
I am convinced that lately Presidential candidates pick their running mates by choosing a person so awful that it prevents assassination attempts.

/ Cheney, Palin, Biden, soon Bachmann.
 
2012-05-08 11:45:12 AM
I'm still voting for Obama without hesitation, but I might start replying to every Democratic fundraising email with a note that "my views on donating to the reelection campaign are evolving"
 
2012-05-08 11:47:36 AM

Bitterrooter: I am convinced that lately Presidential candidates pick their running mates by choosing a person so awful that it prevents assassination attempts.

/ Cheney, Palin, Biden, soon Bachmann.


Jesus titty-farking Christ, man. You're going to give me a heart attack, a stroke, a deep vein thrombosis, and a pulmonary embolism simultaneously with that nightmare scenario.
 
2012-05-08 11:50:31 AM
Show of hands: Who here has heard that Joe Biden failed the Delaware Bar Exam eleven times before passing it?

/And he's a heartbeat from the Presidency
 
2012-05-08 11:51:48 AM
Politicians acting like morons is a bonus?
 
2012-05-08 11:52:55 AM

Serious Black: Bitterrooter: I am convinced that lately Presidential candidates pick their running mates by choosing a person so awful that it prevents assassination attempts.

/ Cheney, Palin, Biden, soon Bachmann.

Jesus titty-farking Christ, man. You're going to give me a heart attack, a stroke, a deep vein thrombosis, and a pulmonary embolism simultaneously with that nightmare scenario.


His logic is frighteningly strong, isn't it?
 
2012-05-08 11:53:28 AM
Biden has made some hilariously awkward statements in the past, but this isn't one of them.
 
2012-05-08 12:11:13 PM

Il Douchey: Show of hands: Who here has heard that Joe Biden failed the Delaware Bar Exam eleven times before passing it?

/And he's a heartbeat from the Presidency


Of course he did. He's a teetotaler.
 
2012-05-08 12:16:15 PM

Serious Black: Show of hands: who here thinks Obama only supports everything but marriage like the state of Washington had up to a month or so ago?


I don't know what he thinks but I am pretty sure he is being a politically calculating soggy diaper about this issue. He should have some balls about this issue and especially as a black man it would be refreshing if he supported his gay brothers and sisters more directly.
 
2012-05-08 12:16:38 PM

mainstreet62: Serious Black: Bitterrooter: I am convinced that lately Presidential candidates pick their running mates by choosing a person so awful that it prevents assassination attempts.

/ Cheney, Palin, Biden, soon Bachmann.

Jesus titty-farking Christ, man. You're going to give me a heart attack, a stroke, a deep vein thrombosis, and a pulmonary embolism simultaneously with that nightmare scenario.

His logic is frighteningly strong, isn't it?


Yeah...as little as I wanted Palin to be a heartbeat from the presidency, there's no way I would ever be okay with Bachmann being a heartbeat from the presidency. She wouldn't just nuke Russia because of some concocted fear; she would nuke the entire planet because what use is it having the power to do something if you don't use that power to its full extent?
 
2012-05-08 12:21:30 PM
Love him or hate him, Obama is a disciplined candidate. He and his organization are not prone to mistakes, yet they manage them well. How many times in his primary battle with Clinton was he down for the count?

Just like he trolled the GOP with contraception, we now have Obama officials coming out in support of gay marriage. This is like trying to guess what Michael Jordan will do 0.01 seconds after he takes to the air.
 
2012-05-08 12:32:17 PM

Il Douchey: Show of hands: Who here has heard that Joe Biden failed the Delaware Bar Exam eleven times before passing it?

/And he's a heartbeat from the Presidency


Let's see age greater than 35
Legal US Citizen

Nope nothing in the Constitution about being a lawyer or passing the bar exam so who farking cares?
 
2012-05-08 12:53:25 PM
At least he didn't say his views on gay marriage were intelligently designed.
 
2012-05-08 12:54:25 PM

OregonVet: Slaxl: I hate that honesty is the worst policy in politics today. I also hate that being tolerant and accepting of different people is also apparently a bad thing.

Agreed. There is a number of things that he's afraid will cost him the election so he's keeping them in "evolution" mode. That's a shame. I think it be better if he just came out and stated his position. Afraid of losing some Independent voters? How about those of us who support gay marriage? I felt he did a better job than Clinton regarding gays in the military. I honestly was proud of that as a veteran who saw the fearful life my friends had to endure. Perhaps he supports equal opportunity for the gay community just short of marriage.



He's not going to lose you to a candidate whose party would gladly put homosexuals in jail for kissing in public.

/He knows this.
 
2012-05-08 12:55:04 PM
Well...I'm voting against the stupid amendment in NC but I'm anti-marriage in general in a government sense. Civil unions for everyone, marriage should not be recognized by the state outside of the civil union. Marriage is the religious side of the equation. Separation of church and state - marriage by the church, civil unions by the state. You can have one or both.
 
2012-05-08 12:55:05 PM
Biden 2016. There, I said it.
 
2012-05-08 12:55:11 PM
Obama has done more to advance gay rights than every other American president combined.
 
2012-05-08 12:55:30 PM
How can not being a complete bigot be a gaffe.

/also 95% of the time the word gaffe is in a headline, my reaction is meh.
 
2012-05-08 12:56:16 PM

vpb: I can imagine Bush trying to perform surgery on a rocket.


Too bad he never tried.

www.thespacereview.com
 
2012-05-08 12:56:18 PM
Oh that Biden. Seems like every time he opens his mouth, something honest comes out - which is, of course, the same thing as a gaffe.

If only he offered a mealy-mouthed, chicken-shiat stance on this issue, like Obama.
 
2012-05-08 12:56:53 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: OregonVet: Slaxl: I hate that honesty is the worst policy in politics today. I also hate that being tolerant and accepting of different people is also apparently a bad thing.

Agreed. There is a number of things that he's afraid will cost him the election so he's keeping them in "evolution" mode. That's a shame. I think it be better if he just came out and stated his position. Afraid of losing some Independent voters? How about those of us who support gay marriage? I felt he did a better job than Clinton regarding gays in the military. I honestly was proud of that as a veteran who saw the fearful life my friends had to endure. Perhaps he supports equal opportunity for the gay community just short of marriage.


He's not going to lose you to a candidate whose party would gladly put homosexuals in jail for kissing in public.

/He knows this.


Ah, yes. Nothing drives my enthusiasm to get out to the to the polls like being taken for granted.
 
2012-05-08 12:57:27 PM
Bonus: Biden gaffes that make Bush look like a rocket surgeon

True, but none of this changes the fact that the Bush/Cheney ticket has the Rocket Surgeon/Evil Mastermind thing ass-backwards.
 
2012-05-08 12:57:49 PM
That sounds less like a gaffe and more like testing the waters on a policy shift, or at least an attempt to placate the gay community if there's not going to be a policy shift.
 
2012-05-08 12:58:14 PM

ThreeEdgedSword: Biden 2016. There, I said it.


I'd put some hefty coin on Clinton in 2016, but that's just me...
 
2012-05-08 12:58:46 PM

Slaxl: I hate that honesty is the worst policy in politics today. I also hate that being tolerant and accepting of different people is also apparently a bad thing.


I hate that changing your mind is also apparently a bad thing. Flip flopping is one thing, but changing your mind is perfectly reasonable. In the 2004 election, John Kerry didn't flip flop on the war, he critically reflected and changed his mind. It seems Obama is in the same mode here.

OregonVet: I think it be better if he just came out and stated his position. Afraid of losing some Independent voters? How about those of us who support gay marriage?


Obama isn't going to lose those voters unless they're farking retarded. There is no friendlier to gays candidate. We're left guessing, Obama is either mid critical reflection, or he has changed his mind but wants to win the election. Recall, the race is Obama vs. NotObama. No one will vote for Mitt but they will absolutely vote against Obama. Obama saying he supports gay marriage might energize the derpy (R) base. I certainly wouldn't put it past him to let us know right after re-elected he has changed his mind on gay marriage and supports equal rights for gays.
 
2012-05-08 12:59:36 PM
Gee, I don't know what Obama's position is on gay marriage. It's not like he signed some document saying "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit those marriages."

What, there is?
 
2012-05-08 12:59:36 PM

bdub77: Well...I'm voting against the stupid amendment in NC but I'm anti-marriage in general in a government sense. Civil unions for everyone, marriage should not be recognized by the state outside of the civil union. Marriage is the religious side of the equation. Separation of church and state - marriage by the church, civil unions by the state. You can have one or both.


A marriage is a civil union in countries with a separation of church and state. The marriage ceremony is what is performed by a church and it varies.

So you're wrong. There are places where marriage is a religious institution exclusively and there, marriage has a different character and can't be accessed by people who don't meet religious requirements. Israel, for example.
 
2012-05-08 12:59:58 PM

OregonVet: Slaxl: I hate that honesty is the worst policy in politics today. I also hate that being tolerant and accepting of different people is also apparently a bad thing.

Agreed. There is a number of things that he's afraid will cost him the election so he's keeping them in "evolution" mode. That's a shame. I think it be better if he just came out and stated his position. Afraid of losing some Independent voters? How about those of us who support gay marriage? I felt he did a better job than Clinton regarding gays in the military. I honestly was proud of that as a veteran who saw the fearful life my friends had to endure. Perhaps he supports equal opportunity for the gay community just short of marriage.


You know that people who support gay marriage aren't going to up and vote for Romney over this. Obama knows that too. Welcome to Taken-For-Granted-Land.
 
2012-05-08 01:00:08 PM

gilgigamesh: Ah, yes. Nothing drives my enthusiasm to get out to the to the polls like being taken for granted.


So you only care about one single issue - gay marriage? Interesting.

Or, did you perhaps think Obama should completely mirror your positions perfectly? That's also... interesting.

Dude, you'll get over it.
 
2012-05-08 01:00:11 PM
So I guess the point is that the VP can't have a differing opinion on a subject than the President. Or is the problem that Obama really doesn't want to state his opinion but since Biden did this forces Obama to choose a side?

The greatest line FTA "The vice president said he is "absolutely comfortable" with same-sex marriage, committing the classic Washington gaffe of accidentally speaking the truth."
 
2012-05-08 01:00:14 PM

bdub77: Marriage is the religious side of the equation. Separation of church and state - marriage by the church, civil unions by the state.


+1
 
2012-05-08 01:00:21 PM
My friend in NC says she thinks the gay marriage ban would pass (although she's voting against it).

I really find it odd that Americans think this is such a big deal.

And I don't find Biden's views a "gaffe" even if they aren't perfectly in tow with Obama's. Let's be honest, Obama's fine with gay marriage. He just knows if he says that outwardly he'd lose votes.
 
2012-05-08 01:01:18 PM
A president and his/her v/p don't completely mirror each other on their stances, and can learn and sway each others decisions? Color me shocked!
 
2012-05-08 01:01:23 PM
Republicans don't believe in evolving political positions?

Duh, they don't even believe in evolution ...period.

Getting them to think for themselves and change their minds about anything is like pulling lions teeth.

/Unless it's just them switching around to hate whatever the Dems are proposing today even if it was their idea yesterday.
 
2012-05-08 01:01:35 PM
I can easily imagine Bush being a rocket sturgeon.
 
2012-05-08 01:01:44 PM
How strange. Given that Obama and Biden are the "librullest libruls that done ever librulled a librul," I would have thought they would have been all for gay marriage, by name, maybe even have a few ceremonies on the White House lawn...unless....

...is it possible that their flaming "librulness" was just a concoction of desperate Republicans, and was accepted by a press too lazy to actually check any thing deeper than a press release?

Still, gays apparently can't trust the Democrats. I'm sure the party of Rick Santorum will be far more accommodating...
 
2012-05-08 01:01:48 PM
Obama did actually speak out against NC's Amendment One: Link

Which is where the current debate is happening. Today. Link
 
2012-05-08 01:01:48 PM
I think the Tea Party, as a showing of their dislike for gay people taking the term "marriage" for their unions, should begin to identify themselves as "gay".
 
2012-05-08 01:02:07 PM
This is not a gaffe. This is a man answering a question about his opinion. That is all.
 
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