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(Pharyngula)   Yesterday's news: Dinosaurs killed off by their own farts. Fark: The paper did not say that. Über-Obvious: One would think that no one would be dumb enough to get their science news from Fox News   (freethoughtblogs.com) divider line 179
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2012-05-08 10:31:22 AM
I think there are a lot of sarcasm detectors around here that need fresh batteries.
 
2012-05-08 10:31:52 AM
Admit it. There are a few farkers writing the lines for Fox news to speak.
 
2012-05-08 10:31:58 AM
I find that the best policy is to assume that ANYTHING reported by Fox News is incorrect.
 
2012-05-08 10:32:10 AM
dosboot: Just another chance for libtards to bash Fox News

Selective outrage is stupid



You sound selectively outraged.
 
2012-05-08 10:32:26 AM
facepalm.jpg

The flatulence talk didn't originate from Fox News, but I don't expect PZ Myers to know that. That would require integrity and research, and outside of his professional work that is not possible for him.

Here's BBC Nature, (who also talked to the Journal authors):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792

Microbes in the stomachs of "ruminant" species produce methane gas as they break down vegetable matter which is released as flatulence

Damn that Murdoch!!! His special Koch-fueled powers have let him get into the BBC journalists' minds. Find the tinfoil, PZ - you're next!

Gotta love people who blame FOXNews (or if you're Internet-clever, FauxNews) for stories they didn't create and didn't initially propagate.
 
2012-05-08 10:32:34 AM
Mr.Tangent: I think there are a lot of sarcasm detectors around here that need fresh batteries.

Pssh. I've got mine on a new wireless extension cord.
 
2012-05-08 10:32:37 AM
dosboot: Just another chance for libtards to bash Fox News while failing to apply the same standards to:

MSNBC

National Geographic

Huffington Post

ABC News

BBC

Selective outrage is stupid


RTFT, twit. 'Warmed the planet' != 'Caused their extinction'.

/Funny how your post is almost identical to beefoe's. Alt? Or just get the same memo?
 
2012-05-08 10:34:10 AM
csi_yellowknife: facepalm.jpg

The flatulence talk didn't originate from Fox News, but I don't expect PZ Myers to know that. That would require integrity and research, and outside of his professional work that is not possible for him.

Here's BBC Nature, (who also talked to the Journal authors):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792

Microbes in the stomachs of "ruminant" species produce methane gas as they break down vegetable matter which is released as flatulence

Damn that Murdoch!!! His special Koch-fueled powers have let him get into the BBC journalists' minds. Find the tinfoil, PZ - you're next!

Gotta love people who blame FOXNews (or if you're Internet-clever, FauxNews) for stories they didn't create and didn't initially propagate.


You are a complete moron. Read the thread instead of just checking off talking points on your FOX Arguing with The Libs checklist.
 
2012-05-08 10:35:34 AM
csi_yellowknife: The flatulence talk didn't originate from Fox News, but I don't expect PZ Myers to know that.

Know how I know you didn't RTFA?
 
2012-05-08 10:36:02 AM
dosboot: Just another chance for libtards to bash Fox News while failing to apply the same standards to:

MSNBC

National Geographic

Huffington Post

ABC News

BBC

Selective outrage is stupid


Were you dropped on your head as a child?
 
2012-05-08 10:36:07 AM
Terrydatroll: Yeah, because Fox is the only news that sensationalizes news by omission or misrepresentation of facts. I would venture to say that you, Mr. Subscriber, do not like Fox because they sensationalize things that you personally do not agree with just as the article's author. You are both, in fact, correct. Fox does sensationalize, just like CNN, MSNBC, BBS, Al Jazeera and every other farking 24 hour news service. Personally I prefer Fox's sensationalizing over the others probably because I am a die hard gun totin' constitution supporting moral non-baby killing conservative hard working American.

Well I was going to say something like this, but I think you covered it well. I don't own a gun but I am happy that I can should I want to and I support baby killing. I also don't care if gays want to marry. I enjoy Fox better than CNN, but they are all in it to make money so a person has to read past the b.s. and Fox is pretty good at getting to the facts towards the end of the story.
 
2012-05-08 10:37:36 AM
beefoe: Remember logic class? Some stories published by Fox News are bogus. This story was published by Fox News, therefore, this story is bogus, right?

Does Rupert Murdoch also own these publications?

National Geographic

CBS News

BBC


etc.

Aso, shouldn't we at least give Fox credit for admitting that dinosaurs existed?


shhh, don't ruin a good narrative by introducing facts.
 
2012-05-08 10:37:38 AM
Everyone at Fox News knows that dinosaurs never existed in the first place because they were buried by Satan to fool humans into believing in evolution and that the Earth is more than 6000 years old.
 
2012-05-08 10:39:19 AM
Going to Fox News for science news is almost as bad as going to the Huffington Post for real news.
 
2012-05-08 10:40:11 AM
In before walls of green text celebrating the fount of meteorological and paleontological knowledge that is the Urantia Book.
 
2012-05-08 10:40:32 AM
JRoo: Everyone at Fox News knows that dinosaurs never existed in the first place because they were buried by Satan to fool humans into believing in evolution and that the Earth is more than 6000 years old.

This is what I was thinking. Fox News went out on a limb with this story....they just pissed off 1/2 of their viewers.
 
2012-05-08 10:40:36 AM
csi_yellowknife: The flatulence talk didn't originate from Fox News

And?

Fact-checking. How does it work?

And before you say that lots of other news media does this. I know. And they should learn to do this too.

Or, maybe they shouldn't have forgotten how to do this?

Somewhere along the line, you see, we've decided that news is really meant to be entertainment, and doesn't therefore need to be, yanno, an accurate representation of reality. No, it's not just Fox News, but Fox News happens to be one of the more loud and obnoxious perpetrators, not to mention one of the earliest and most influential starters of this backslide of journalistic integrity- on ALL sides of the political spectrum.

Also, National Geographic is a crap publication. At least to anyone with any serious inclinations towards scientific inquiry. Has been more or less since it's inception. It's got all the empirical value of a children's picture book. This is not a revelation you're having.
 
2012-05-08 10:41:14 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-08 10:41:50 AM
You say that as if Fox believes in global warming/dinosaurs/reality.
 
2012-05-08 10:41:55 AM
theorellior: In before walls of green text celebrating the fount of meteorological and paleontological knowledge that is the Urantia Book.

I don't get people who don't block that guy. Even if he wasn't a dumbass, the green text is annoying as hell. Do you have something against the ignore list?
 
2012-05-08 10:43:21 AM
thurstonxhowell: Do you have something against the ignore list?

Making him pink is more fun?

I can't take pink seriously. It's a failing of mine.
 
2012-05-08 10:43:43 AM
Republitards have been playing up the goofiness of ruminant methane for decades now. I remember hearing G. Gordon Liddy making raspberries and giggling about cow farts on his radio program in the early 90s. That's when I figured that dumbass Watergate felons could just go eat bowls of dicks.
 
2012-05-08 10:44:16 AM
SkunkWerks: csi_yellowknife: The flatulence talk didn't originate from Fox News

And?

Fact-checking. How does it work?

And before you say that lots of other news media does this. I know. And they should learn to do this too.

Or, maybe they shouldn't have forgotten how to do this?

Somewhere along the line, you see, we've decided that news is really meant to be entertainment, and doesn't therefore need to be, yanno, an accurate representation of reality. No, it's not just Fox News, but Fox News happens to be one of the more loud and obnoxious perpetrators, not to mention one of the earliest and most influential starters of this backslide of journalistic integrity- on ALL sides of the political spectrum.

Also, National Geographic is a crap publication. At least to anyone with any serious inclinations towards scientific inquiry. Has been more or less since it's inception. It's got all the empirical value of a children's picture book. This is not a revelation you're having.


And beyond ALL that...He, and all the other 'tards going "LOOK BBC/NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC/HUFFPO DID IT TOO! GLOBAL WARMING IS FAAAAAAAAKE' deliberately fail to notice that the issue isn't 'dino farts warmed the planet', it's 'Fox said that scientists said dino farts caused their extinction', which is nowhere in the other articles, and is bullshiat.
 
2012-05-08 10:45:09 AM
i1136.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-08 10:46:35 AM
But, but... Fox New's science is fair and balanced. Right?
 
2012-05-08 10:48:01 AM
JackieRabbit: But, but... Fox New's science is fair and balanced. Right?

Well, in this case, they 'balanced' facts (that dinosaur farts helped warm the planet) with lies (that farting caused their extinction).
 
2012-05-08 10:49:02 AM
johncb76006: Going to Fox News for science news is almost as bad as going to the Huffington Post for real news tips on palatable web design.

FTFY. God that site sucks!

SlothB77: The extinction tie-in exists in every global warming/ climate change story.

I'm sorry but your strawman is blocking my screen. They fabricated a headline and entire crux of a story. Human civilization is very different from a bunch of itinerant animals... they didn't have beach homes, fishing industries, agriculture, roofs, constructed water-management systems. All these things that are negatively affected by warming (and the droughts, hurricanes, sea-level rising) that go with them. Massive agricultural and habitat disruptions threaten civilization because we don't live in such a way in which foraging is possible, so just walking inland isn't enough as it was for dinosaurs.

But that doesn't matter because, seriously, because Fox News fabricated the whole extinction angle. Deal with it: they made sh*t up for headlines and possibly to further discredit climate scientists with a big fart joke.
 
2012-05-08 10:49:50 AM
theorellior: I figured that dumbass Watergate felons could just go eat bowls of dicks.

All that sausage is heavy though, and causes flatulence.
 
2012-05-08 10:49:56 AM
thurstonxhowell: Do you have something against the ignore list?

Yeah, I do. I want my Fark unadulterated, like a neat glass of vodak. Sometimes I get the Tito's Special Reserve, sometimes I get the Kamchatka Gallon Super-Saver. It keeps me from creating my own echo chamber, and it also reminds me that there's a universe of dumbasses, shills, crazy people and retards out there on the Interwebs.
 
2012-05-08 10:54:04 AM
thurstonxhowell: Even if he wasn't a dumbass, the green text is annoying as hell.

Of course, none of this keeps me from Farkying the dumbest of the retards in various colors so I can figure who's a Derper and who's a Denier and so on.
 
2012-05-08 10:54:07 AM
Well who with any common sense would watch let alone believe anything on FOX
 
2012-05-08 10:54:36 AM
FTA Each dino farted out 2675 liters of gas per day. Divide by gas molar volume of 22.4 liters per mole (I know methane will take up less) = 120 moles methane per day. Molecular weight of methane = 16 grams/mole. 120 moles times 16 grams/mole = 2 kg/day (approximately) per dino..

520 Tg estimate is 520 billion kg. Divide by 2kg /day = 250 billion days
150 million years = 50 billion days (approximately)
That's only five dinosaur's production. That 520 Tg estimate is too low.
 
2012-05-08 10:56:23 AM
Delay: Divide by gas molar volume of 22.4 liters per mole (I know methane will take up less)

I don't see why methane would take up less than 22.4 liters, unless dinosaur asses were colder than STP.
 
2012-05-08 10:59:06 AM
Dinosaur farts > Cow farts?
 
2012-05-08 11:00:33 AM
LordJiro: JackieRabbit: But, but... Fox New's science is fair and balanced. Right?

Well, in this case, they 'balanced' facts (that dinosaur farts helped warm the planet) with lies (that farting caused their extinction).


Silly them. Everyone knows that the reason the dinosaurs went extinct is that they joined the Democratic party, which turned them gay and then they gave all their money to New York Jews.
 
2012-05-08 11:00:44 AM
WizardofToast: You say that as if Fox believes in global warming/dinosaurs/reality.

Fox News believes in whatever makes money for Fox News. They don't push a crazy, right-wing agenda because they're crazy right-wingers, they push a crazy, right-wing agenda because crazy, right-wingers are willing to pay to hear it.

People have tried the same on the left and it just doesn't seem to work nearly as well (Air America, I'm looking in your general direction).

Conservatives are close-minded, rigid and unthinking. They actively avoid new information that may not conform to preconceived notions because they believe strongly that everything is as it always has been and always will be. As such, they're a ripe target for malicious misinformation-for-profit campaigns. I have little doubt that if liberals were equally dull-witted that Murdoch would create a media arm catering to them. Since they're not, there's no profit in it, so he won't.

/ in before "b-b-b-but MSNBC!" as if there's any equivalency
 
2012-05-08 11:06:40 AM
Much better to get your science news from the New York Times.

That ice age they were hyping in the 1970s should be along any day now. Just you wait.
 
2012-05-08 11:07:38 AM
the mass of [herbivore farts] ... would have made a substantial, but stable, contribution ... that may have been partially responsible for the warmer, moister climate

Ew. I hate when that happens.
 
2012-05-08 11:07:58 AM
Pantubo: That ice age they were hyping in the 1970s should be along any day now. Just you wait.

GLOBAL COOLING! DRINK!
 
2012-05-08 11:09:02 AM
Carth: You're missing the point.

Well Fox News defenders are usually not in the same galactic cluster as the point, so give him credit for being a wee bit closer than that.
 
2012-05-08 11:09:07 AM
georgeyporgey: beefoe: Remember logic class? Some stories published by Fox News are bogus. This story was published by Fox News, therefore, this story is bogus, right?

Does Rupert Murdoch also own these publications?

National Geographic

CBS News

BBC


etc.

Aso, shouldn't we at least give Fox credit for admitting that dinosaurs existed?

shhh, don't ruin a good narrative by introducing facts.


You mean the key fact beefoe missed -- that none of those others said anything about increased methane causing extinction, like Faux News did?
 
2012-05-08 11:09:52 AM
Pantubo: Much better to get your science news from the New York Times.

That ice age they were hyping in the 1970s should be along any day now. Just you wait.


(citation-please.jpg)
 
2012-05-08 11:12:30 AM
Splinshints: WizardofToast: You say that as if Fox believes in global warming/dinosaurs/reality.

Fox News ,CNN, MSNBC, etc. believes in whatever makes money for Fox News them. They don't push a crazy, right-wing left/right-wing agenda because they're crazy right-wingers left/right-wingers, they push a crazy, right-wing left/right-wing agenda because crazy, right-wingers left/right-wingers are willing to pay to hear it.

People have tried do the same on the left and it just doesn't seem to work nearly works just as well (Air America, I'm looking in your general direction).

Conservatives
Radical Conservatives/Liberals are close-minded, rigid and unthinking. They actively avoid new information that may not conform to preconceived notions because they believe strongly that everything is as it always has been and always will be. As such, they're a ripe target for malicious misinformation-for-profit campaigns. I have little NO doubt that if liberals were are equally dull-witted.
/ in before "b-b-b-but MSNBC!" as if there's any equivalency


Fixed most of that for ya.
 
2012-05-08 11:13:34 AM
Pantubo: Much better to get your science news from the New York Times.

That ice age they were hyping in the 1970s should be along any day now. Just you wait.


Actually, the references I see to poorly sourced articles on cooling were from Newsweek and Time both of which are about as relevant as Poor Richard's Almanac these days. They were wrong, of course, but real scientists were trying to tell them that the data predicted human caused warming even then.
 
2012-05-08 11:16:34 AM
Pantubo: Much better to get your science news from the New York Times.

That ice age they were hyping in the 1970s should be along any day now. Just you wait.


WOOHOO! What's my prize? I just won talking points bingo!
 
2012-05-08 11:23:53 AM
Delay: FTA Each dino farted out 2675 liters of gas per day. Divide by gas molar volume of 22.4 liters per mole (I know methane will take up less) = 120 moles methane per day. Molecular weight of methane = 16 grams/mole. 120 moles times 16 grams/mole = 2 kg/day (approximately) per dino..

520 Tg estimate is 520 billion kg. Divide by 2kg /day = 250 billion days
150 million years = 50 billion days (approximately)
That's only five dinosaur's production. That 520 Tg estimate is too low.


That's if the farts are entirely methane, which they probably weren't. I know it's not the same as a cow or dinosaur, but apparently in people less than 10% of a fart is methane. Thanks, Wikipedia.
 
2012-05-08 11:23:54 AM
It wasn't farts.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-05-08 11:24:08 AM
CheatCommando: Pantubo: Much better to get your science news from the New York Times.

That ice age they were hyping in the 1970s should be along any day now. Just you wait.

Actually, the references I see to poorly sourced articles on cooling were from Newsweek and Time both of which are about as relevant as Poor Richard's Almanac these days. They were wrong, of course, but real scientists were trying to tell them that the data predicted human caused warming even then.


Global warming is totally natural. Humans do contribute to it and only a fool would believe otherwise, but saying "caused" is quite and overstatement. Most non-agenda serving rational thinking people believe that the human contribution to the natural occurrence of global warming is minimal. Not only that, unless you believe that humans are space aliens then whatever we do (just as the dinosaurs did) to expedite global warming is completely natural since we are a part of nature as are our actions. Nature made us smart on it's own. Deal with it.
 
2012-05-08 11:25:48 AM
thurstonxhowell: Pantubo: Much better to get your science news from the New York Times.

That ice age they were hyping in the 1970s should be along any day now. Just you wait.

WOOHOO! What's my prize? I just won talking points bingo!


I would play that game. The "free space" could be Al Gore!!!11!.
 
2012-05-08 11:28:32 AM
Fox News: The Dutch Oven of Reporting
 
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