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(ESPN)   In the story that keeps on giving, Saints coaches told players to do what it took to protect the coaches in Bountygate   (espn.go.com) divider line 218
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2012-05-08 12:38:25 PM

admvernclark: Just wait until the truth comes out. The NFL went on a witch hunt and messed with the wrong organization. It is an absolute shame Goodell thinks a better position on upcoming former player lawsuits is worth disgracing great men who do nothing but play hard football.


I would like to know what truth you are privy to that the rest of us have missed? Look, the Saints farked up & Saints fans seem to be the only ones who can't believe it. They DO have evidence in the form of player testimony. The thing is, you all know it's wrong to do this, but you still defend it. I don't understand that at all.
 
2012-05-08 12:38:50 PM

MugzyBrown: redmid17: especially with a lot of the new helmets coming out which severely reduce head trauma.

Helmets can't stop the head trama. The brain is sloshing around against the skull.


Exactly. Look at NASCAR. The helmets are the same as they've been since 2001. Its the reduction of "your brain sloshing around against your skull" thing they've addressed with SAFER barriers and 5- or 7- point body restraints that have dramatically reduced injuries and death in the past decade. As well as physicist-designed cars. For all intents and purposes, wearing a helmet while driving in a NASCAR race is fairly irrelevant nowadays.
 
2012-05-08 12:39:00 PM

spqr2001: While true, you see my concern with the future of the sport? If parents aren't letting kids play because they are seeing all the TBI stuff later in life that is being attributed to the sport of football, where is the future of the sport?


For every responsible parent, there's a hundred more who will sell their kid to the highest bidder. The lure of money is just too great, for both players AND parents.

How many NFL players (starters, backups, practice squad, ANY players) have walked away from the game because the threat of injury was just too much for them to bear? There's no examples of players saying, "You know what? No. It's not worth it."

Kids see Peyton Manning lacing them up and heading back out onto the field. Like it or not, THAT is the example being set.
 
2012-05-08 12:39:19 PM
That statement doesn't acknowledge the existence of a bounty program or say the coaches told him to lie, just to deny knowledge of a system. Think there's no difference? Wait for the court case - any lawyer worth their salt is going to tie this statement in a knot in 5 minutes. The NFL and their "independent" reviewer blatantly misrepresented the contents of the statement. Now we've got people lying on both sides. Get your popcorn ready, as Mr. Owens liked to say.
 
2012-05-08 12:41:07 PM

Di Atribe: I would like to know what truth you are privy to that the rest of us have missed? Look, the Saints farked up & Saints fans seem to be the only ones who can't believe it. They DO have evidence in the form of player testimony. The thing is, you all know it's wrong to do this, but you still defend it. I don't understand that at all.


Careful where you fling those stones.

Woodson: Cowboys had bounty program in 90s
 
2012-05-08 12:41:22 PM

Di Atribe: admvernclark: Just wait until the truth comes out. The NFL went on a witch hunt and messed with the wrong organization. It is an absolute shame Goodell thinks a better position on upcoming former player lawsuits is worth disgracing great men who do nothing but play hard football.

I would like to know what truth you are privy to that the rest of us have missed? Look, the Saints farked up & Saints fans seem to be the only ones who can't believe it. They DO have evidence in the form of player testimony. The thing is, you all know it's wrong to do this, but you still defend it. I don't understand that at all.


I completely agree with this.
 
2012-05-08 12:42:18 PM

Slow To Return: How many NFL players (starters, backups, practice squad, ANY players) have walked away from the game because the threat of injury was just too much for them to bear? There's no examples of players saying, "You know what? No. It's not worth it."


Let's not forget that there are several fully-staffed leagues that play indoor football, where players get paid less than $500/game (sometimes as low as $200), have worse protective gear, AND frequently get flipped over hockey boards onto concrete or into stands...and none of them are quitting due to fear of injury (okay, some quit because the money's not worth it, and you could say that it's somewhat related to injury potential...but it's mostly about the money. For $1000/week, they'd all be back.
 
2012-05-08 12:42:36 PM

robsul82: That statement doesn't acknowledge the existence of a bounty program or say the coaches told him to lie, just to deny knowledge of a system. Think there's no difference? Wait for the court case - any lawyer worth their salt is going to tie this statement in a knot in 5 minutes. The NFL and their "independent" reviewer blatantly misrepresented the contents of the statement. Now we've got people lying on both sides. Get your popcorn ready, as Mr. Owens liked to say.


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2012-05-08 12:44:15 PM

Slow To Return: Woodson: Cowboys had bounty program in 90s


Sure, but they only wanted to hit people as hard as they could. For the couple thousand dollars, the Saints were trying to hit people HARDER than they possibly could.

/still dumb to document it
 
2012-05-08 12:44:18 PM

Slow To Return: Di Atribe: I would like to know what truth you are privy to that the rest of us have missed? Look, the Saints farked up & Saints fans seem to be the only ones who can't believe it. They DO have evidence in the form of player testimony. The thing is, you all know it's wrong to do this, but you still defend it. I don't understand that at all.

Careful where you fling those stones.

Woodson: Cowboys had bounty program in 90s


That, and yes, we're terrible people for actually wanting to see the evidence against the team. And considering how the NFL's comments about what this statement would contain have been misrepresentations, what else have they misrepresented for their own ends?
 
2012-05-08 12:45:33 PM

Di Atribe: I would like to know what truth you are privy to that the rest of us have missed? Look, the Saints farked up & Saints fans seem to be the only ones who can't believe it. They DO have evidence in the form of player testimony. The thing is, you all know it's wrong to do this, but you still defend it. I don't understand that at all.


The one dude (Gregg Williams) that got the heaviest suspension- likely a lifetime ban- said *he* had a bounty program at every stop along the way in his coaching career. Bills, Redskins, and maybe some other teams.

But I suppose that just leads you to believe Williams invented the bounty program alone, and was the only one to ever do such a thing?

The Saints got in trouble because they lied. I'm a Saints fan, and I have zero problem with them being in trouble. I think the penalties were too harsh, but that's an argument for another day.

But considering every reporter that's been in NFL locker rooms for decades has come out and said "this has been the system since the invention of the league"... I'm going to go with them over you.
 
2012-05-08 12:49:18 PM
Let's be real: This is just like the baseball thing with Hamels.

Which is ultimately the same thing as Col Jessup in "A Few Good Men."

They're totally fine with guys ordering Code Reds. They're totally fine with things being done the way they're being done because hey, as long as people don't know what it takes to provide them with the very entertainment they so love, as long as they have plausible deniability when it comes to things that might reflect negatively on the league, those things are fine.

But when you f*ck up and let everyone know about it, well, they're going to go out of their way to burn you. Sure, you always had an understanding about how things were done, but it was with the knowledge that as soon as you create a potential problem for the league, they're going to nail the hell out of you and act like you're a rogue.

/also how the NBA seems to run their refereeing
 
2012-05-08 12:50:18 PM

downstairs: The one dude (Gregg Williams) that got the heaviest suspension- likely a lifetime ban- said *he* had a bounty program at every stop along the way in his coaching career. Bills, Redskins, and maybe some other teams.


The players under him said that, GW said there was a pay-for-performance system (money for fumbles, INTs, etc.).
 
2012-05-08 12:51:31 PM

downstairs: spqr2001: Here is the thing folks. I LOVE football. My weekends in the fall are spent watching my beloved Packers and (yes, I'll admit it) Illini on the football field. The problem is that no matter how much I enjoy football, because of all the TBI stuff I've been hearing about (from former players, coaches, doctors, etc..), I would never let my son play the sport. Until the NFL cracks down SEVERELY on people who are out there trying to injure each other and, at the same time, finds a way to make an impact on the amount of brain damage being done to their athletes, football will begin a slow and eventual demise as a sport. Sure it is going to take a long time, but it will happen. I don't want it to happen, but until they can get things under control, you are going to see fewer and fewer youth playing. Without youth playing, there won't be a league.

The problem is football was designed to be a violent sport. There's no way to make it safe and entertaining at the same time. Any attempts to do so will vary between laughable and damaging to the popularity of the sport.


i still agree with troy aikman that the solution is to give the players LESS protection. instead of putting them in so much armor that they never feel a thing... put them in soft, faceless helmets and very minimal soft armor.

i think you'd have less injuries and a return to "fundamental" football - like you always hear old defensive coaches talking about how nobody tackles "correctly" with their shoulders, they just launch their bodies like missiles.

/also a big big nfl fan.
 
2012-05-08 12:52:55 PM

robsul82: GW said there was a pay-for-performance system (money for fumbles, INTs, etc.).


I don't understand how people can be so naive as to think that systems like this wouldn't also include things like bonuses for knocking opposing players out of games.

I don't mean you.
 
2012-05-08 12:53:41 PM

Slow To Return: robsul82: GW said there was a pay-for-performance system (money for fumbles, INTs, etc.).

I don't understand how people can be so naive as to think that systems like this wouldn't also include things like bonuses for knocking opposing players out of games.

I don't mean you.


I'm just saying that's what he specifically admitted to in his rewritten-for-him-by-the-league apology.
 
2012-05-08 12:54:23 PM

inner ted: i still agree with troy aikman that the solution is to give the players LESS protection.


I'm not sure how much I agree with this, but I do know that Aikman is Sir Concussion.
 
2012-05-08 12:57:35 PM

Di Atribe: I would like to know what truth you are privy to that the rest of us have missed? Look, the Saints farked up & Saints fans seem to be the only ones who can't believe it. They DO have evidence in the form of player testimony. The thing is, you all know it's wrong to do this, but you still defend it. I don't understand that at all.


I generally find myself on your side of the argument (e.g., Tony Romo does not suck). But I'm feeling the Saints pain on this one - even as a steeler fan. For the record I think the 'program' stunk. Had to be canceled. Fines and suspensions were in order - of that there is no doubt. I just think Goodell went too far and he's using the issue as a political football and a way to make points on the other much, much, much larger issue - where his attention and energy SHOULD be focused, i.e. CTE - which these punishments do absolutely nothing to alleviate. My feeling on the thing is primarily based on the fruit of the program... not it's utterly failed intent. This thing apparently went on for years - so there should be relevant data. If that data showed an extreme uptick in personal fouls, 'cartoffs', concussion, and/or injuries vs the Saints I would feel completely different. But it doesn't. Turns out you were as likely to be injured or concussed vs the saints as anyone else. What it was was a bunch of distasteful, misguided, rah, rah, macho locker room bullshiat. I agree with penalties and suspensions, but he did too many for too long. Reactionary and self-serving on his point and it reeks of NCAA style justice. The fact is the sport we all love is facing probably it's biggest hurdle in the last half century and the commissioner is farking about putting on band-aids when he ought to be addressing the real issue in a transparent way, all-day, every day.
 
2012-05-08 12:59:29 PM

Slow To Return: inner ted: i still agree with troy aikman that the solution is to give the players LESS protection.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this, but I do know that Aikman is Sir Concussion.


Didn't someone post a study from a Time mag link where rugby players had even more concussions than NFL guys? I think the no helmet thing may be a red herring.
 
2012-05-08 01:03:18 PM

Slow To Return: Careful where you fling those stones.

Woodson: Cowboys had bounty program in 90s



Do you honestly believe that I would think it's OK just because someone on my favorite team did it? Are you seriously trying to call me a hypocrite?
 
2012-05-08 01:03:23 PM

Slow To Return: inner ted: i still agree with troy aikman that the solution is to give the players LESS protection.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this, but I do know that Aikman is Sir Concussion.


Soft helmets, soft padding.

Enough protection for clashes of heads, help avoid bruising, not enough to give the confidence to turn yourself into a human missile.
 
2012-05-08 01:06:40 PM

IAmRight: It's part of the game - there are several reasons one might fight, from defending star players who are getting run at by other players, to helping protect goalies from borderline illegal play that is frequently ignored by officials, to trying to pull the crowd into a game


If, in your mind, these are legitimate reasons to put someone in a headlock, and knock out their teeth, I guess we are done here.

You are comparing actions which are not designed to, and only marginally likely to cause injury, to actions which are done with the intention of causing injury. That's the difference.

Unless you are doing the willfully obtuse troll, in which case, you win.
 
2012-05-08 01:07:15 PM

JohnBigBootay: Didn't someone post a study from a Time mag link where rugby players had even more concussions than NFL guys? I think the no helmet thing may be a red herring.


It's largely a case of "I haven't heard of anything similar in rugby (which is because no one gives a sh*t about rugby in America), so it must be safer!"

Yeah, sure, people were dying back when there were no helmets at the turn of the century playing football, and they were a bunch of runts playing back then compared to now. I'm sure that taking away helmets is really the answer.

You might prevent some CTE...but somehow I think the public is going to have a bigger problem with people actually dying during games.
 
2012-05-08 01:08:06 PM

Di Atribe: Slow To Return: Careful where you fling those stones.

Woodson: Cowboys had bounty program in 90s


Do you honestly believe that I would think it's OK just because someone on my favorite team did it? Are you seriously trying to call me a hypocrite?


I just said to be careful

I'm a (begrudging) Cowboys fan as well, though it was the cavalier above-the-law attitude of the Cowboys of the 90's that turned me off to them. It never surprises me when I hear that they (may have) crossed ethical boundaries.
 
2012-05-08 01:09:32 PM
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2012-05-08 01:10:21 PM

IAmRight: You might prevent some CTE...but somehow I think the public is going to have a bigger problem with people actually dying during games.


Pretty much.
 
2012-05-08 01:10:38 PM

The Muthaship: If you do what those guys do inside the plexi-glass, outside the plexi-glass, your ass is going to jail.


That's what you said. If you can't see why that's an incredibly stupid "point" to make, then I guess we're done here.

The Muthaship: You are comparing actions which are not designed to, and only marginally likely to cause injury, to actions which are done with the intention of causing injury. That's the difference.


You're more likely to cause an injury with a high check than you are with a fight. And part of fighting is to discourage high checks, too. When was the last time you saw someone severely injured in a hockey fight?
 
2012-05-08 01:12:49 PM

downstairs: But considering every reporter that's been in NFL locker rooms for decades has come out and said "this has been the system since the invention of the league"... I'm going to go with them


Huh? Where the hell did I say that the Saints were the only team to ever do this? Where did I say that we should let the other 31 teams get away with it? NOWHERE! No, I don't believe Gregg Williams invented the bounty system, nor do I believe that the Saints are the only team to pull this shiat. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't absolve the Saints. This isn't about hunting down every bounty participant in the league. This is about the Saints, at least for now. Evidence & testimony will come out down the road to implicate other teams & this situation will basically set the precedent.

Don't put words in my mouth & don't tell me what I think.
 
2012-05-08 01:13:27 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: So tasty!


One man meme getting old. Just email it to him dude.
 
2012-05-08 01:14:03 PM

Di Atribe: downstairs: But considering every reporter that's been in NFL locker rooms for decades has come out and said "this has been the system since the invention of the league"... I'm going to go with them

Huh? Where the hell did I say that the Saints were the only team to ever do this? Where did I say that we should let the other 31 teams get away with it? NOWHERE! No, I don't believe Gregg Williams invented the bounty system, nor do I believe that the Saints are the only team to pull this shiat. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't absolve the Saints. This isn't about hunting down every bounty participant in the league. This is about the Saints, at least for now. Evidence & testimony will come out down the road to implicate other teams & this situation will basically set the precedent.

Don't put words in my mouth & don't tell me what I think.


I think you should like the Cowboys
 
2012-05-08 01:14:32 PM

IAmRight: And part of fighting is to discourage high checks, too.


And it's doing a great job. This year's playoffs have been really clean.

There is no defense for fighting in hockey. It's a sideshow for the mouth breathing fans.
 
2012-05-08 01:16:20 PM

IAmRight: That's what you said. If you can't see why that's an incredibly stupid "point" to make, then I guess we're done here.


This part makes zero sense. I said if you kick my ass in the stands you go to jail. If you are playing for a team and you kick someone's ass on the other team, you get 5 minutes. Maybe a game misconduct.

IAmRight: You're more likely to cause an injury with a high check than you are with a fight. And part of fighting is to discourage high checks, too. When was the last time you saw someone severely injured in a hockey fight?


Injuries in the course of the game are different, as I said. The fact that the NHL condones guys stopping the game, dropping their gloves, and engaging in a brawl in the middle of things is a joke.

The injury part needs a citation, and how many toothless smiles have you seen in NHL games? I've seen tons. I'm sure there have been lots of concussions too, but that's easy for the league to hide. People don't have to be severely injured for it to be wrong.
 
2012-05-08 01:18:00 PM

MugzyBrown: This year's playoffs have been really clean.


I liked when the guy grabbed the other guy's head and rammed it into the glass. Then the commissioner said calling for a suspension was 'gamesmanship'. Classy sport that hockey.....
 
2012-05-08 01:19:10 PM

Di Atribe: Evidence & testimony will come out down the road to implicate other teams & this situation will basically set the precedent.


No, it won't. The Saints will have the example made of them, they will be treated as though they were a "rogue individual" team by the league, and then business will continue as usual, and people will be smart enough to not document their illegal systems.

Just like Donaghy with NBA refs. Sure, he was considered one of their best refs and the NBA didn't know he was fixing games until the FBI told them about it. Sure, he was allowed to continue to referee games and they did nothing about the problem. Then he got kicked out, Stern told us he was a rogue and the refereeing was totally legit, and everyone went back to pretending everything was on the level.

What makes Stern epic is that, shortly after his "rules are rules" suspending of the Suns for "leaving the bench during an altercation," Stern also changed the rules when it was shown that a couple dozen refs were caught gambling, which was supposed to result in an automatic firing. Instead he made it so they were allowed to gamble as long as it wasn't on basketball. Guess he magically gained power when it came to that.
 
2012-05-08 01:20:37 PM

Di Atribe: This isn't about hunting down every bounty participant in the league.


If Rog actually gave a shiat about player safety, it would be.

Di Atribe: Evidence & testimony will come out down the road to implicate other teams & this situation will basically set the precedent.


Other players have been commenting on such things and Goodell doesn't care to look any further. He got his bad guys to point to in the player lawsuits and he's very satisfied with that.
 
2012-05-08 01:20:58 PM

Slow To Return: I'm a (begrudging) Cowboys fan as well, though it was the cavalier above-the-law attitude of the Cowboys of the 90's that turned me off to them. It never surprises me when I hear that they (may have) crossed ethical boundaries.


Then go get another team. Why bother hanging on?


JohnBigBootay: I just think Goodell went too far and he's using the issue as a political football and a way to make points on the other much, much, much larger issue - where his attention and energy SHOULD be focused, i.e. CTE - which these punishments do absolutely nothing to alleviate.


Absolutely nothing? I'm not sure about that. From my understanding, the players got paid to take an opposing player out of the game. Do you think that was limited to below the shoulders? Because I sincerely doubt they had a talk in the locker room before the game and included the phrase, "but not the head, ok, guys?" I don't agree with everything Gooddell does and I have a REALLY hard time believing he's doing this for safety reasons (see: 18 game season). From what I understand, this program broke a lot of rules & you can't allow that.

Once word leaks out that a pirate commish has gone soft, people begin to disobey you, and then it's nothing but work, work, work all the time
 
2012-05-08 01:22:37 PM

The Muthaship: I said if you kick my ass in the stands you go to jail. If you are playing for a team and you kick someone's ass on the other team, you get 5 minutes. Maybe a game misconduct.


And the point is that if you do anything that you can do on the rink in the stands, you go to jail. You don't even have to do things that are illegal in the game. Go check someone into a wall when they're going back to their seat with a plate full of nachos and beer.

The Muthaship: The injury part needs a citation, and how many toothless smiles have you seen in NHL games? I've seen tons


Yes, and that only comes from fights. Not high sticks, not pucks, not checks, not falls. It's all from fights.

MugzyBrown: And it's doing a great job. This year's playoffs have been really clean.


Hmm, maybe because penalties for fighting have been increased over the years.
 
2012-05-08 01:23:42 PM

Slow To Return: inner ted: i still agree with troy aikman that the solution is to give the players LESS protection.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this, but I do know that Aikman is Sir Concussion.


yes i know. i get the same response whenever i bring it up.

just pretend it was my own idea, pulled straight from my butt.

the premise is sound: without all the protection, the players would play differently and in the end, safer. one of the biggest penalties these days is "leading with the head"

you really think those guys would be launching themselves like that if they were wearing a soft helmet with no face mask?

i don't.
 
2012-05-08 01:24:18 PM

Di Atribe: From my understanding, the players got paid to take an opposing player out of the game.


The only proof of payment I've seen is in Mary Jo White's bank account to misrepresent the contents of Hargrove's statement.

Just release it if you got it, always been my viewpoint.
 
2012-05-08 01:24:57 PM

IAmRight: You don't even have to do things that are illegal in the game.


I'm starting to think you really are just obtuse, and it's not an act....
 
2012-05-08 01:26:34 PM

inner ted: downstairs: spqr2001: Here is the thing folks. I LOVE football. My weekends in the fall are spent watching my beloved Packers and (yes, I'll admit it) Illini on the football field. The problem is that no matter how much I enjoy football, because of all the TBI stuff I've been hearing about (from former players, coaches, doctors, etc..), I would never let my son play the sport. Until the NFL cracks down SEVERELY on people who are out there trying to injure each other and, at the same time, finds a way to make an impact on the amount of brain damage being done to their athletes, football will begin a slow and eventual demise as a sport. Sure it is going to take a long time, but it will happen. I don't want it to happen, but until they can get things under control, you are going to see fewer and fewer youth playing. Without youth playing, there won't be a league.

The problem is football was designed to be a violent sport. There's no way to make it safe and entertaining at the same time. Any attempts to do so will vary between laughable and damaging to the popularity of the sport.

i still agree with troy aikman that the solution is to give the players LESS protection. instead of putting them in so much armor that they never feel a thing... put them in soft, faceless helmets and very minimal soft armor.

i think you'd have less injuries and a return to "fundamental" football - like you always hear old defensive coaches talking about how nobody tackles "correctly" with their shoulders, they just launch their bodies like missiles.

/also a big big nfl fan.


Many of the veteran players I've heard said that they deliberately seek out older equipment like Pre-1990's helmets because they feel that the modern helmets are too rigid, and the old ones with some give in them are actually safer. Which got me to thinking, especially with a kid who plays in HS, why isn't there a layer of padding on the OUTSIDE of helmets? In particular why not use a material like Sorbothane that flow like a liquid when impacted?
 
2012-05-08 01:28:59 PM

robsul82: Di Atribe: This isn't about hunting down every bounty participant in the league.

If Rog actually gave a shiat about player safety, it would be.


OMFG THIS! SO much this! This is the only reason I join these threads.
 
2012-05-08 01:29:16 PM
Well I see Robsul is here. No chance of logic/reason now. Only blind fandom.

I just want to see how frothy he gets when the appeal is instantly denied and no court case ever comes of this. (because it can't, because of CBA)

I'm not sure how he will spin this further, but if he managed to look at Hargroves statement and still come out thinking his team is not deserving of punishment, then there really isn't any level of evidence that will ever change his mind. In this poor homer fan, nothing can be wrong by the Saints.

Sad and ridiculously ignorant. Like Republican ignorant. Seriously, it's the same thing. Blind support of your "team" while completely ignoring facts, logic, and common sense. It's their MO and he has it down to a science.
 
2012-05-08 01:29:29 PM

inner ted: you really think those guys would be launching themselves like that if they were wearing a soft helmet with no face mask?


I've seen guys continue to make plays in the lines or try to break through tackles with their heads down after their helmets have been pulled off. Thankfully, no one that had their helmet on still drilled them in it, but yeah, I bet that people would continue to play stupidly. And then you'd have deaths on the field.

As bad as CTE is, I think the league is better off with guys committing suicide a few years after they're done than they would be with people actually DYING ON THE FIELD.
 
2012-05-08 01:31:17 PM
Hmm, maybe because penalties for fighting have been increased over the years.

Not really. And Fighting continues

There have been over 40 fighting majors given out in the playoffs thusfar, yet the diry play continues.
 
2012-05-08 01:31:29 PM
damn typos. Im sure my argument will be ignored in light of them.
 
2012-05-08 01:33:10 PM

Magorn: Which got me to thinking, especially with a kid who plays in HS, why isn't there a layer of padding on the OUTSIDE of helmets?


I'd think that the idea is that the hard outer shell causes the impact to be dispersed throughout the rest of the helmet, then the inside has the soft so that there's not as much getting through to the head.

/but they do have safer helmets - they should be required for use instead of being a rarity. As for players seeking out older versions because they're "better at protecting"...players are frequently idiots, so let's remember that when we're discussing their opinions.
 
2012-05-08 01:34:05 PM

inner ted: the premise is sound utterly unsupported by the data: without all the protection, the players would play differently and in the end, safer. one of the biggest penalties these days is "leading with the head"


Fixed and naw, not at all

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2027053,00.html

Rugby players get assloads of concussions, some think more than NFL players. And, when you think about it, the premise is sound - of course you;re gonna get concussions when some dude knees you in the head - you're not wearing a helmet after all.
 
2012-05-08 01:34:50 PM

justtray: damn typos. Im sure my argument will be ignored in light of them.


Nah, just ignored because of the general whine content and issue of being untrue.
 
2012-05-08 01:34:52 PM

inner ted: the premise is sound: without all the protection, the players would play differently and in the end, safer. one of the biggest penalties these days is "leading with the head"

you really think those guys would be launching themselves like that if they were wearing a soft helmet with no face mask?


I'm not sure how you'd successfully market this product.
 
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