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2012-05-08 11:27:47 AM  
Also, who says the girl is little? There are a lot of huge teenage girls. And maybe the guy is small.
 
2012-05-08 11:28:31 AM  

bubo_sibiricus: And then calling the police because you're a pussy.


No one said he called the police.
 
2012-05-08 11:29:38 AM  

IAmRight: No one said he called the police.


This.

My guess is, a manager or some other ninny did.
 
2012-05-08 11:30:08 AM  

Julie Cochrane: However, you're right on the general case of women hitting men. The way my momma raised me was, "Women's lib means men can hit back."



You know, when I was much younger, I would have agreed with your mom, but now I can't. Violence begets violence, and frankly men are MUCH better at violence than woman can ever be. A slap from me could knock out teeth or worse, and when one is angry you lose control. No, men can't hit back, and no one should be hitting first.

Much better for the cops to deal with it than me to retaliate. Having a simple assault charge might save her from being stupid with the wrong guy in the future. Some men wouldn't hesitate to retaliate. That could be very, very ugly.
 
2012-05-08 11:30:19 AM  

Wendy's Chili: coco ebert: Lol, I can't believe people here are defending such an arrest. Really? Y'all must be some scared little punks.

You think it should be perfectly legal to go around splashing people with bovine discharge?


If you were taunting me and laughing while I was choking I would probably do worse than dump milk on you but to be fair, you could still whine about it afterwards.
 
2012-05-08 11:30:51 AM  

Kazrath: And this is one of the big things wrong with our country. You should have the legal freedom to say what ever you want. I should have the legal freedom to pop you in the mouth if you cross the line.


Are you really that ignorant?

She has the legal freedom to say what she wants. You have the legal freedom to say what you want back at her. At no point is it okay to assault someone.
 
2012-05-08 11:31:14 AM  

Wendy's Chili: coco ebert: FarkinHostile: Rage. Hit. Two very important words. If I fly into a rage and hit someone, it is a very bad scene.

Why should it be different for anyone else? Answer: it shouldn't be. If I can control myself and not assault people, so should she.

Fair enough. I don't know how hard a hit that was so I can't comment. And I know you will return by saying, "but any physical touching constitutes assault". But do we really want to be a society where a light punch on someone's shoulder (again, I don't know if it was so in this case), constitutes grounds for an arrest? Perhaps for you the answer is yes. On that I guess we would disagree.

I don't think a punch on the shoulder is a big deal either, but dumping milk on someone ruins their clothes and forces them to go home and shower. If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.


You don't think taunting them while choking would take every ounce of restraint as well? Quid pro quo at *least*
 
2012-05-08 11:31:43 AM  
If being an asshole is a crime they will make a special prison just for farkers total farkers get club fed treatment though
 
2012-05-08 11:33:14 AM  
Isn't not helping the person choking a clear violation of the Good Samaritan Law?

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2012-05-08 11:33:40 AM  
You don't hit someone in the shoulder if you are eager to cause them pain or do them harm. It is one of the least damaging, least painful places on the body to be hit. For the people going batshiat over, "Oh, the violence!!!"

Wah.

I declare thee wusses.

I get that you have baggage and possibly PTSD level shiat and would perhaps be triggered by anyone striking your person at all in any way and that nobody has a right to and nobody had better. Agreed.

However, in terms of "violence" male smacking female, female smacking male, whoever, if you smack someone on the shoulder or punch someone on the shoulder, unless you put a hell of a lot of force behind that punch, you're not going to do much.

Note I said "shoulder" not "collar bone."
 
2012-05-08 11:34:32 AM  

Julie Cochrane: IAmRight: Julie Cochrane: I think if I was the employer I'd be keeping her and ditching him. It's not like there aren't plenty of people out there who want jobs. As for her getting arrested, at worst it's a fine. At best, the DA's office does something smart and exercises prosecutorial discretion.

Why would you keep either? She's pretty unstable and stupid, too.

People panic when they're doing something like choking. I wouldn't judge an employee on one incident. This would be her "everybody gets one."

Have you ever managed people?

Perfect people already work for somebody else, for way more than you can afford to pay them. As a manager, your best bet is to take your basic, imperfect people and get good job performance out of them.

I'd fire the guy saying "choke" because he was a malicious asshat for chanting choke, and because he could have kept the police from arresting her by simply saying, "I decline to press charges." So he's a malicious asshat on two counts---and that kind of personality is toxic to the workplace.

That kind of malicious asshattery is not a moment of panic, it's the kind of "slip of the mask" that goes with "this person is a sociopath." I'd fire him not because he screwed up once, but because the way he screwed up suggests an overall hazard to the workplace.

The way she screwed up suggests you tell her, "Everybody gets one. Glad you're okay." And then you see how well she does from there.


Very much this.
 
2012-05-08 11:34:51 AM  
coco ebert: I sense some deep-seated misogyny


The only people who even use that word are dumb biatches.
 
2012-05-08 11:35:57 AM  

doubled99: coco ebert: I sense some deep-seated misogyny


The only people who even use that word are dumb biatches.


Gloria Allred is going to sue me for laughing at that.....
 
2012-05-08 11:36:30 AM  

I guess you could say...

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She choked

 
2012-05-08 11:36:53 AM  

Wendy's Chili: coco ebert: FarkinHostile: Rage. Hit. Two very important words. If I fly into a rage and hit someone, it is a very bad scene.

Why should it be different for anyone else? Answer: it shouldn't be. If I can control myself and not assault people, so should she.

Fair enough. I don't know how hard a hit that was so I can't comment. And I know you will return by saying, "but any physical touching constitutes assault". But do we really want to be a society where a light punch on someone's shoulder (again, I don't know if it was so in this case), constitutes grounds for an arrest? Perhaps for you the answer is yes. On that I guess we would disagree.

I don't think a punch on the shoulder is a big deal either, but dumping milk on someone ruins their clothes and forces them to go home and shower. If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.


even if you knew full well you deserved it?
 
2012-05-08 11:37:21 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: It was not stated if the milk was one or two percent.

Really?!

"Ha Ha! A girl almost choke, was insulted, committed battery. Let's laugh!"

On Fark: Sure.
On "the news": Grow the fark up; you're supposed to be professionals.


Worse, it's not funny.
 
2012-05-08 11:38:09 AM  

doubled99: coco ebert: I sense some deep-seated misogyny


The only people who even use that word are dumb biatches.


Ta-Da!!
 
2012-05-08 11:40:15 AM  

Kazrath: And this is one of the big things wrong with our country. You should have the legal freedom to say what ever you want. I should have the legal freedom to pop you in the mouth if you cross the line.


Yep. Dude got what was coming to him. Really, I think he got off light. But I bet he was the type who wouldn't have done this to a guy, he knew that he could get popped in the mouth.
 
2012-05-08 11:40:54 AM  

fritton: You don't think taunting them while choking would take every ounce of restraint as well?


No.
 
2012-05-08 11:40:55 AM  

FarkinHostile: Much better for the cops to deal with it than me to retaliate. Having a simple assault charge might save her from being stupid with the wrong guy in the future. Some men wouldn't hesitate to retaliate. That could be very, very ugly.


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2012-05-08 11:41:49 AM  

namegoeshere: xanadian: FTFA: It was not stated if the milk was one or two percent.

MY GOD, MAN! WE NEED DETAILS! THIS MIGHT BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A MISDEMEANOR OR A FELONY!!

Bored reporter editor is bored, and forgot to delete that line do their farking job before submitting. Oops.


/FTFY

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2012-05-08 11:42:36 AM  

IAmRight: /whatever happened to just saying "f*ck you" to people like that?


kind of hard when you are choking to death while being cheered on by a dumbass.
 
2012-05-08 11:42:56 AM  

IAmRight: Julie Cochrane: I get you, and I agree, but taunting someone in a potential life-threatening emergency instead of helping them with the Heimlich --- that's perniciously close to standing there and laughing while someone dies, and crosses the violence threshold.

I think you're really, really overestimating what they're referring to as "choking". If she was actually in a situation where she couldn't breathe (the kind that actually IS life-threatening), then he's more of an asshole...but she's also not going to go apesh*t on him, because she's going to be far more concerned with breathing. You don't just forget about self-preservation because someone's being a jerk. And actual choking to that point is pretty rare when it comes to the spectrum of things we would refer to as "choking".

What's more likely is she was coughing a lot because her throat was irritated because the granola started to go down the wrong hole. If she's coughing, she's not dying, and she is way overreacting to someone being a jerk.


There's that moment when it's trying to go down the wrong hole when you're not sure if it's stuck or not, and you're trying to get it to pop loose.

Yeah, if she's just having a coughing fit, she's way overreacting to a jerk--and I probably don't want either of them in my employ.

But, since we can't affect this outcome anyway, I took the news article at its word on "choking." Most of the time when people get stuff caught, to the point that they're having trouble breathing for a second or so, they get it loose again. But that second or so is going to feel like an eternity.

I don't know, I wasn't there, newspapers are very good at getting the details all wrong anyway.
 
2012-05-08 11:43:17 AM  

Julie Cochrane: However, in terms of "violence" male smacking female, female smacking male, whoever, if you smack someone on the shoulder or punch someone on the shoulder, unless you put a hell of a lot of force behind that punch, you're not going to do much.



So as long as I don't hurt her too bad, It's cool? Perhaps just slap her in the face? It'll barely leave a mark. Won't really injure.

Good to know.

Again, this is the kind of thinking that leads some people (women) to believe they can hit people (men) and get away with it. This is a topic that the Slippery Slope argument is very valid.

Violence begets violence. Often worse violence.
 
2012-05-08 11:43:37 AM  
You guys are a bunch of pussies
 
2012-05-08 11:45:01 AM  

FarkinHostile: kwame: There's a difference between attacking someone and slapping an asshole on the arm for being an asshole. I don't know the precise details, but if that's all that happened, then you just shrug and tell the asshole to stop being one.


Or, I can be having a really bad day and snap, retaliate, and "accidentally" break her nose.

Don't assault/touch me in anger. I have issues. I'm not the only one. Thus, it is wise to have a blanket "Hitting is wrong, period" policy for society. Some of us don't take kindly to being attacked.


just because you're FarkinHostile - oh, never mind

/playing the ITG card for fun & profit
 
2012-05-08 11:47:21 AM  

MycroftHolmes: BurnShrike: Guess who got arrested?

The one committing a criminal act by assaulting someone?

Being an asshole isn't illegal. Attacking someone is.

Don't cry over spilled milk, Subby.

While, yes, the granola chick was guilty of assault, what kind of asshat calls the cops over a punch to the shoulder and some milk. I would have taken that as appropriate consequences to being an asshat.


Who's to say he was the one who called the police?
Often companies have rules that any assault requires police intervention.
And who's to say he's bigger than her? She could have been some huge butch biatch who often flies off the handle which would also give motive for his ass-hattery.
For all we know, chanting CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE could have been the appropriate consequence of her being the office biatch.
 
2012-05-08 11:49:57 AM  
I see the defense going something like this.

Your honor due to my bout of choking and the resultant difficulty breathing I was mildly hypoxic at the time. I was confused and disoriented due to the temporary lack of oxygen to my brain and perceived an immediate threat to my person due to the complaintant taking such obvious joy at what could have been a life threatening situation for me. At the time I believed myself to be acting in self defense when I lashed out at the D Bag in question.

I therefore plead "not Guilty"
 
2012-05-08 11:51:08 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: FarkinHostile: Much better for the cops to deal with it than me to retaliate. Having a simple assault charge might save her from being stupid with the wrong guy in the future. Some men wouldn't hesitate to retaliate. That could be very, very ugly.

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I thought of him too in this thread. Who knew America was full of so many people with so many anger issues.
 
2012-05-08 11:52:37 AM  
Chocolate milk problems.
 
2012-05-08 11:54:35 AM  

Wendy's Chili: . If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.


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2012-05-08 11:54:41 AM  
He should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder for not helping her while she was choking...he was encouraging the granola bar.
 
2012-05-08 11:55:18 AM  
WTF?

juvenile girl choking on granola during 'snack time' at her place of work snapped when she was taunted by a fellow employee,


A juvenile at her place of work, ok, but what place of work has a designated "snack time"?

The taunting coworker allegedly began chanting "choke, choke," when the girl ran into difficulties swallowing her snack.

Some of you have said that she was choking to death, this hardly sounds like choking to death.


Eyewitness reports state that this chanting "set off" the choking girl into a rage. She leapt up, hit the coworker in the shoulder and then dumped her milk on his head.

Little Miss Priss gets angry because her cookie causes her to cough and she hits someone? Subby is dumb. The correct person was arrested.
 
2012-05-08 11:55:57 AM  

ZeroCorpse: Here's the thing: The taunter could be sued or even charged with negligence. The person choking was clearly in need of medical assistance, and the intentional failure to aid someone in that situation combined with the taunts indicating a desire for the person to die could be construed as a criminal act if the right lawyer were to argue the case and the right judge and jury were to hear it.

NOT helping someone is bad enough. Encouraging them to perish? That shows malicious intent, or so I'd believe.


Doesn't he know about the good samaritan law?
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2012-05-08 11:57:13 AM  

Wendy's Chili: If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.


Your anger management issues and lack of self control don't justify changing reasonable laws.
 
2012-05-08 11:57:16 AM  

coco ebert: Vlad_the_Inaner: FarkinHostile: Much better for the cops to deal with it than me to retaliate. Having a simple assault charge might save her from being stupid with the wrong guy in the future. Some men wouldn't hesitate to retaliate. That could be very, very ugly.

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I thought of him too in this thread. Who knew America was full of so many people with so many anger issues.


Its a complex issue. Like what if she threw a used coffee pod at him. A clear case for "Stand Your Grounds" defense.
 
2012-05-08 11:58:11 AM  

Warchild0: Isn't not helping the person choking a clear violation of the Good Samaritan Law?

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I'm sure yours was tongue in cheek, but for those taking it seriously who don't know,...
It's not. The Good Samaritan Law it's there to punish those who don't act, it's there to protect anyone who does act (from lawsuits claiming they shouldn't have helped for lack of proper training etc).
 
2012-05-08 11:58:50 AM  
I can't dispute that what she did was illegal and I don't know that he called the police, I am however pretty sure he had an opportunity to decline pressing charges.

If your going to fark with someone, expect them to retaliate.

Man Up
 
2012-05-08 11:59:07 AM  

BurnShrike: Guess who got arrested?

The one committing a criminal act by assaulting someone?

Being an asshole isn't illegal. Attacking someone is.

Don't cry over spilled milk, Subby.


Lucky for you, then.
 
2012-05-08 11:59:45 AM  

FarkinHostile: Julie Cochrane: However, you're right on the general case of women hitting men. The way my momma raised me was, "Women's lib means men can hit back."


You know, when I was much younger, I would have agreed with your mom, but now I can't. Violence begets violence, and frankly men are MUCH better at violence than woman can ever be. A slap from me could knock out teeth or worse, and when one is angry you lose control. No, men can't hit back, and no one should be hitting first.

Much better for the cops to deal with it than me to retaliate. Having a simple assault charge might save her from being stupid with the wrong guy in the future. Some men wouldn't hesitate to retaliate. That could be very, very ugly.


Yeah, I pretty much agree with you. I'm a martial artist--very out of practice, very out of shape. But I'm also very aware that if I get in a fight, most of the things I would have to do to protect myself--since I'm very small--would do permanent, irreparable damage to the body of the other person.

The "kindest" thinks would rip out tendons and ligaments and destroy joints. Some would maim worse than others. Some would kill in unfun ways. And I would have to use them, because I am aging, weak, small, and don't have any endurance to speak of. And I would use them, because I trained for enough years that in a "situation" my mind moves into a combat mentality.

So I make the greatest of efforts to avoid anything that could turn into a fight.

And in a "situation," I make the greatest of efforts to de-escalate (also known as covering one's ass for the DA that the poor slob actually was attacking) before physically engaging. The last three "situations" the guy though the better of it and disengaged without actual incident, which worked out best for everyone. (Not quite everyone--not so well for each guy's next victims.)

But yeah, better they get their corrections at the hands of the department of corrections.

/It's not that I'm a "tough gal," it's just that I'm less non-tough than some gal who didn't get some training and such. If a situation happens to me, I'm all I've got to work with, so I guess I have to be enough, you know?
 
2012-05-08 12:00:04 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Here's the thing:


No, heres the thing: You are ignorant.

The taunter could be sued or even charged with negligence. The person choking was clearly in need of medical assistance,

You know how I know you are wrong? She got no medical assistance but was still able to get up and hit someone.

and the intentional failure to aid someone in that situation combined with the taunts indicating a desire for the person to die could be construed as a criminal act if the right lawyer were to argue the case and the right judge and jury were to hear it.

NOT helping someone is bad enough. Encouraging them to perish? That shows malicious intent, or so I'd believe.


I believe you should get a refund on you GED in "Lawtalking"
 
2012-05-08 12:02:41 PM  

8InchFloppy: decline pressing charges.


I don't believe it is up to the individual to press charges or not. That determination is made by the DA. If a 'victim' chooses not to cooperate or testify, it can make the charges hard to prove, but, ultimately, the DA presses charges.
 
2012-05-08 12:03:16 PM  

Wendy's Chili: fritton: You don't think taunting them while choking would take every ounce of restraint as well?

No.


Yah, I disagree. Generally if someone is in mortal danger and you're taunting them or laughing at them instead of helping, you pretty much deserve to get beaten into something unrecognizable... at least a *HELL* of a lot more than the person who dumps some milk on them in response..

but hey.. maybe your priorities are different? Maybe your clothes are just so pretty and laundry is just so expensive, or something.
 
2012-05-08 12:03:58 PM  

jst3p: Wendy's Chili: If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.

Your anger management issues and lack of self control don't justify changing reasonable laws.


The law is already on my side, dipshiat.
 
2012-05-08 12:04:07 PM  

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Since when does Total Calories = healthy
Coke has 140 calories
while whole milk has 150
so therefore coke is healthier??
 
2012-05-08 12:05:24 PM  

Julie Cochrane: ...I trained for enough years that in a "situation" my mind moves into a combat mentality.



It's even "worse" when your mind has nothing to say about it, it's physical reflex.

Therein lies the problem with "Suck it up, it was nothing": It could be too late.
 
2012-05-08 12:05:31 PM  

fritton: Wendy's Chili: fritton: You don't think taunting them while choking would take every ounce of restraint as well?

No.

Yah, I disagree. Generally if someone is in mortal danger and you're taunting them or laughing at them instead of helping, you pretty much deserve to get beaten into something unrecognizable... at least a *HELL* of a lot more than the person who dumps some milk on them in response..

but hey.. maybe your priorities are different? Maybe your clothes are just so pretty and laundry is just so expensive, or something.


Or maybe there's a difference between words and battery.

Just maybe.
 
2012-05-08 12:05:32 PM  

Wendy's Chili: jst3p: Wendy's Chili: If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.

Your anger management issues and lack of self control don't justify changing reasonable laws.

The law is already on my side, dipshiat.


Really, the asshat in the story got arrested for chanting "choke!"?

Maybe I misunderstood your original statement, dickhead.
 
2012-05-08 12:07:05 PM  

Wendy's Chili: Kanabiis: Wendy's Chili: . If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.

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2012-05-08 12:07:08 PM  

jst3p: Wendy's Chili: jst3p: Wendy's Chili: If someone did that to me, it would take every ounce of restraint in my body not to pound their face into a bloody pulp. For that reason alone, I think it should be an arrestable offense.

Your anger management issues and lack of self control don't justify changing reasonable laws.

The law is already on my side, dipshiat.

Really, the asshat in the story got arrested for chanting "choke!"?

Maybe I misunderstood your original statement, dickhead.


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