coco ebert: Lol, I can't believe people here are defending such an arrest. Really? Y'all must be some scared little punks.

seriously. i was scrolling down counting the pussies. she should have knocked his farking head off. hateful bastard.

Wendy's Chili: If someone dumped milk on me, there'd definitely be consequences. And it'd be better for everyone if the authorities were the ones to administer them.

THIS.

FTFA: It was not stated if the milk was one or two percent.



She hit him with A-whole milk.

cut that meat. cut that meat. cut that meat.

Sounds to me like she was not actually 'choking', but rather just coughing due to having hoovered down a granola bar without having chewed it sufficiently.

The kind of thing where a pat on the back is more appropriate treatment than the Heimlich.

coco ebert: Lol, I can't believe people here are defending such an arrest. Really? Y'all must be some scared little punks.

She did something illegal, you can't dispute that.

The cops were not wrong in their actions.

Whether getting the cops involved in the first place was necessary is another story.

How did she get over the choking fit, grab the milk and walk over to hit him before anyone else managed to hit him?

IAmRight: Julie Cochrane: I think if I was the employer I'd be keeping her and ditching him. It's not like there aren't plenty of people out there who want jobs. As for her getting arrested, at worst it's a fine. At best, the DA's office does something smart and exercises prosecutorial discretion.

Why would you keep either? She's pretty unstable and stupid, too.

People panic when they're doing something like choking. I wouldn't judge an employee on one incident. This would be her "everybody gets one."

Have you ever managed people?

Perfect people already work for somebody else, for way more than you can afford to pay them. As a manager, your best bet is to take your basic, imperfect people and get good job performance out of them.

I'd fire the guy saying "choke" because he was a malicious asshat for chanting choke, and because he could have kept the police from arresting her by simply saying, "I decline to press charges." So he's a malicious asshat on two counts---and that kind of personality is toxic to the workplace.

That kind of malicious asshattery is not a moment of panic, it's the kind of "slip of the mask" that goes with "this person is a sociopath." I'd fire him not because he screwed up once, but because the way he screwed up suggests an overall hazard to the workplace.

The way she screwed up suggests you tell her, "Everybody gets one. Glad you're okay." And then you see how well she does from there.

It was not stated if the milk was one or two percent.

Really?!

"Ha Ha! A girl almost choke, was insulted, committed battery. Let's laugh!"

On Fark: Sure.
On "the news": Grow the fark up; you're supposed to be professionals.

BurnShrike: It was not stated if the milk was one or two percent.

But was it white milk, or chocolate?

[that's racist.gif]

Homo milk?

kwame: There's a difference between attacking someone and slapping an asshole on the arm for being an asshole. I don't know the precise details, but if that's all that happened, then you just shrug and tell the asshole to stop being one.


Or, I can be having a really bad day and snap, retaliate, and "accidentally" break her nose.

Don't assault/touch me in anger. I have issues. I'm not the only one. Thus, it is wise to have a blanket "Hitting is wrong, period" policy for society. Some of us don't take kindly to being attacked.

If ever elected, I am going to figure out a totality of the circumstances to create an affirmative defense of putting an asshat in their place.

Something like this:

Would an ordinary prudent person think this act is a d-bag move?

Did the act in retaliation cause serious injury?

That's a start feel free to comment and help out.

Julie Cochrane: I think if I was the employer I'd be keeping her and ditching him. It's not like there aren't plenty of people out there who want jobs. As for her getting arrested, at worst it's a fine. At best, the DA's office does something smart and exercises prosecutorial discretion.

I'm with you on that. The asshat would be looking for a new job. It's one thing to not help, it's quite another to root for the worst possible outcome.

You'd be a fool to have a guy like that on your payroll, he's a disaster waiting to happen.

Queensowntalia: She did something illegal, you can't dispute that.

The cops were not wrong in their actions.

Whether getting the cops involved in the first place was necessary is another story.

Cops are supposed to have discretion about who they arrest. Unless there was some bs legal cause like the manager had to press charges b/c it happened in the workplace, they should have just left. If the punk wanted to press charges they should have just told him hed get arrested too for some trumpted up crap.

coco ebert: I sense some deep-seated misogyny in this thread. Somehow I think that if this were a dude arrested, Farkers would be whinging about how unjust it is that men get soooo unfairly treated over something as silly as milk.

Why? Because a woman didn't get a free pass on physical assault?

It wouldn't matter what gender the assaulter is, unless they are woman, then they should be able to get away with whatever, it seems.

Don't hit anyone. It's a simple rule.

jmadisonbiii - You need to get a new milk.

Well with most workplace violence policies out there a company has to report any type of threat in the workplace otherwise they can be subjected to a lawsuit. In this case I doubt it was the guy yelling choke who called the cops but rather the manager instead who was covering their own bacon.

Guy's an asshat for sure, girl should have asked her mom to teach her how to swallow, we all win from hilarity.

poot_rootbeer: Sounds to me like she was not actually 'choking', but rather just coughing due to having hoovered down a granola bar without having chewed it sufficiently.

The kind of thing where a pat on the back is more appropriate treatment than the Heimlich.

You never pat on the back, in that case you encourage coughing.


/ first aid and cor certified for 5years now.

IAmRight: MycroftHolmes: While, yes, the granola chick was guilty of assault, what kind of asshat calls the cops over a punch to the shoulder and some milk. I would have taken that as appropriate consequences to being an asshat.

It happened in a workplace, someone probably had to report it.

/whatever happened to just saying "f*ck you" to people like that?

Curse them!

coco ebert: FarkinHostile: coco ebert: I sense some deep-seated misogyny in this thread. Somehow I think that if this were a dude arrested, Farkers would be whinging about how unjust it is that men get soooo unfairly treated over something as silly as milk.

Why? Because a woman didn't get a free pass on physical assault?

It wouldn't matter what gender the assaulter is, unless they are woman, then they should be able to get away with whatever, it seems.

Don't hit anyone. It's a simple rule.

Nah, it's not that I think women should get a free pass. If the situation had been reversed and a guy poured milk on a woman, I also wouldn't be for calling in the police. Uh, it's milk. Chill out.


Just poured milk? FTFA:

Eyewitness reports state that this chanting "set off" the choking girl into a rage. She leapt up, hit the coworker in the shoulder and then dumped her milk on his head.


Rage. Hit. Two very important words. If I fly into a rage and hit someone, it is a very bad scene.

Why should it be different for anyone else? Answer: it shouldn't be. If I can control myself and not assault people, so should she.

The Muthaship: IAAl: Assault is threatening violence.

Battery is actually hitting someone.

/ Just so you know.

Lots of states' criminal statutes use Assault to describe when someone causes or attempts to cause harm.

Care to cite to a few?

This occurred in Florida,

Title XLVI, Section 784.011 Fla. Stat. (2011):
Assault.-(1)An "assault" is an intentional, unlawful threat by word or act to do violence to the person of another, coupled with an apparent ability to do so, and doing some act which creates a well-founded fear in such other person that such violence is imminent.

Title XLVI, Section 784.003 Fla. Stat. (2011):
Battery; felony battery.-(1)(a)The offense of battery occurs when a person:
1.Actually and intentionally touches or strikes another person against the will of the other; or
2.Intentionally causes bodily harm to another person.

Yeah, it was a dick move. Both parts. But at least from now on, all his coworkers will know him as the "B-b-but officer, she poured milk on me!" douche.

FarkinHostile: kwame: IAmRight: It has nothing to do with a threat. Hell, you don't even have to make contact for something to be assault.

I don't mean a verbal threat. I mean some real possibility of personal harm. Same thing if you got punched by a 7 year old. Stuff like that - it's just a silly thing to arrest someone over.



That's the kind of bullshiat logic that some women use to justify physical abuse. "I'm just a girl, I can hit you and you can't do anything about it. And if you hit me back you are an evil, horrible person."

/should have pressed charges
//just divorced her instead
///physical violence is WRONG, no matter who does it, and must have consequences

I get you, and I agree, but taunting someone in a potential life-threatening emergency instead of helping them with the Heimlich --- that's perniciously close to standing there and laughing while someone dies, and crosses the violence threshold.

If you're standing there laughing/taunting while someone is starting to die, and they get the food to pop out and "go for you," I'm inclined to count that as hitting you back, not hitting you first. Standing there and laughing while someone's in mortal peril and encouraging them to die counts as starting the fight.

However, you're right on the general case of women hitting men. The way my momma raised me was, "Women's lib means men can hit back."

I kinda think it was always wrong to just go around hitting people.

(I did spank, as a parent, but rarely and only for serious stuff where my kid violating other people's rights was at issue. I think your kid has to know if they hit someone else, they can be hit back, harder.)

Anyway, no it's not right for women to take advantage of being "the girl" to hit men. (Unless they're into that, and she's into that, and they ask very nicely, of course.)

I came to work today angry at family members (Mothersdaycomingcantgetpeopletoagreetoantythingorgettogether), sad about M.Sendak, and generally hating on life.

Now I feel much better about myself and others around me. I even apologized to boss for sounding snippy at the morning hello.

Thank you, Fark, for helping me keep it all in perspective.

BurnShrike: Guess who got arrested?

The one committing a criminal act by assaulting someone?

Being an asshole isn't illegal. Attacking someone is.

Don't cry over spilled milk, Subby.

Agree, this is a fine I would be happy to pay for the satisfaction of punching said asshat in the nads.

coco ebert: I sense some deep-seated misogyny in this thread. Somehow I think that if this were a dude arrested, Farkers would be whinging about how unjust it is that men get soooo unfairly treated over something as silly as milk.

Welcome to Fark?

BurnShrike: Guess who got arrested?

The one committing a criminal act by assaulting someone?

Being an asshole isn't illegal. Attacking someone is.

Don't cry over spilled milk, Subby.

And this is one of the big things wrong with our country. You should have the legal freedom to say what ever you want. I should have the legal freedom to pop you in the mouth if you cross the line.

IAAl: Care to cite to a few?

CA, NY, GA, OH, KY...tried to check a few different areas. Those are the only states I checked, so I'm guessing there are lots more. Looks like you are right about FL, though.

Remember kids, Snack time ain't Smack Time.

No matter how much he deserves it.

poot_rootbeer: The kind of thing where a pat on the back is more appropriate treatment than the Heimlich.

But taunting is totally justified. And then calling the police because you're a pussy.

Provocation is a defense in in most jurisdictions, to some degree.