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(CNN)   Disabled National Veterans Foundation took in $55.9 mil in donations & gave $61 mil to marketing companies. Vets got chef's coats & coconut M&Ms   (cnn.com) divider line 127
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2012-05-07 10:41:34 PM  
Excerpt from the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition: 144) There's nothing wrong with charity ... as long as it winds up in your pocket.
 
2012-05-07 10:47:26 PM  
And don't forget the little bottles of hand sanitizer.
 
2012-05-07 11:16:48 PM  
So a marketing company found a way to unload all the excess goods that they failed to market successfully, get paid for them, and write them off as charitable donations?

Wish i could say i'm surprised but the financial world - including marketers/advertisers - are populated by the scum of the earth from the top down.

Time to dust the cobwebs off those guillotines!
 
2012-05-07 11:19:11 PM  
I have reviewed the most recent tax filings available and offer the opinion that that the fundrasising expenses, far exceed those of organizations similarly situated. The pay of executives and officers is far below organizations similarly situated. The ratio of expenses to program spending makes this a charity to which I will not contribute.
 
2012-05-08 12:01:47 AM  
OMG is there really such a thing as coconut M&Ms?
 
2012-05-08 12:55:26 AM  
Greed is the root of all your evils.

Sometimes I wish I could screw old ladies and invalids over for a buck. I'd be snorting coke off hookers asses right now. Sadly, I have a conscience. These people do not.

Send them to the concentration camps.
 
2012-05-08 01:20:34 AM  

Ambivalence: OMG is there really such a thing as coconut M&Ms?


Almond Joy ones. They're pretty good.
 
2012-05-08 01:27:23 AM  

Ambivalence: OMG is there really such a thing as coconut M&Ms?


Oh YEAH! Yummy!!

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PreMortem: Send them to the concentration camps.


...and the teabaggers questioned the wisdom of Obama's FEMA camps.
 
2012-05-08 01:29:02 AM  
That's disgusting, and f*ck them. I think DAV is still good though.
 
2012-05-08 01:42:43 AM  

Ambivalence: coconut M&Ms


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Yes, but they were released as a limited edition. I'm not sure if they're still sold.
 
2012-05-08 01:48:48 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Yes, but they were released as a limited edition. I'm not sure if they're still sold.


Oh, it's Reeses parent company that sells the Almond Joy ones (and York Peppermint Patty and a few other flavors).
 
2012-05-08 01:50:13 AM  

robmilmel: Almond Joy ones (


Hit add comment too soon-to me the M&M ones tasted too artificial, the Almond Joy ones taste a lot more natural.
 
2012-05-08 01:52:16 AM  
Is this the same veterans scam group Sean Hannity has been milking?
 
2012-05-08 02:28:15 AM  
I hope that more vet organizations have bullshiat like this under their shirt.

/Hero worship of soldiers and vets is excessive in our country
 
2012-05-08 03:17:09 AM  

cman: I hope that more vet organizations have bullshiat like this under their shirt.

/Hero worship of soldiers and vets is excessive in our country


I hope not. the VA does not do enough for you guys. It isn't all hero worship. Sometimes a thanks is just a thanks, you went and you did what you do, and you gave much more than your fair share. It is a thanks that I don't want to be tax-deductible. It is recognition that you got screwed and continue to get screwed.
 
2012-05-08 03:21:10 AM  
For all the money we pour into military spending, we still need charities to take care of veterans.

Honestly, why does anyone fight for this country?
 
2012-05-08 03:30:31 AM  

violentsalvation: cman: I hope that more vet organizations have bullshiat like this under their shirt.

/Hero worship of soldiers and vets is excessive in our country

I hope not. the VA does not do enough for you guys. It isn't all hero worship. Sometimes a thanks is just a thanks, you went and you did what you do, and you gave much more than your fair share. It is a thanks that I don't want to be tax-deductible. It is recognition that you got screwed and continue to get screwed.


I do understand this. TBH I am not sure how to reply. I dunno. I feel conflicted constantly. Emotional overload is a normal occurrence.
 
2012-05-08 04:01:46 AM  

violentsalvation: I hope not. the VA does not do enough for you guys. It isn't all hero worship. Sometimes a thanks is just a thanks, you went and you did what you do, and you gave much more than your fair share. It is a thanks that I don't want to be tax-deductible. It is recognition that you got screwed and continue to get screwed.


Nothing like an HR manager looking at you like you're a ticking time bomb.
 
2012-05-08 04:10:12 AM  

Ambivalence: OMG is there really such a thing as coconut M&Ms?


Nasty, right?
 
2012-05-08 04:15:52 AM  
I'm so jaded I don't even care. As far as I'm concerned, if you give to charity you are dumb, unless you are writing it off against your taxes, then whatever.
 
2012-05-08 04:18:47 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Ambivalence: coconut M&Ms

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Yes, but they were released as a limited edition. I'm not sure if they're still sold.


I do believe that they are no longer limited edition but are now a regular flavor.
 
2012-05-08 04:20:26 AM  
When I was a child, I loved my country.

When I was a teenager, I had my doubts.

Now that I'm an adult, I hate my country.
 
2012-05-08 04:22:26 AM  
Disgusting.
 
2012-05-08 04:22:45 AM  
Greed is behind most evil, sure. The doctrinal do their share, too, however. Cavil, routine, capitulation to authority could be construed as an aversive form of greed, however, this is strained.

Vindictive narcissism can be another motive for evil, as well.
 
2012-05-08 04:24:32 AM  

Brainwash: When I was a child, I loved my country.

When I was a teenager, I had my doubts.

Now that I'm an adult, I hate my country.


Then get out.
 
2012-05-08 04:24:37 AM  
This is truly horrible. Why have I not heard about coconut M&Ms before now?
 
2012-05-08 04:26:42 AM  

Ghastly: This is truly horrible. Why have I not heard about coconut M&Ms before now?


Sigh. I will more than likely get in trouble for this, but since the cat is out of the bag it should not matter. We were told not to tell you, Ghastly. It is nothing personal, but because you are, well, rather ghastly. Sorry, pal.
 
2012-05-08 04:30:12 AM  

Mock26: Bathia_Mapes: Ambivalence: coconut M&Ms

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Yes, but they were released as a limited edition. I'm not sure if they're still sold.

I do believe that they are no longer limited edition but are now a regular flavor.


I'll take your word for it since they're something I'm aware of, but don't buy.
 
2012-05-08 04:30:12 AM  

Mock26: Brainwash: When I was a child, I loved my country.

When I was a teenager, I had my doubts.

Now that I'm an adult, I hate my country.

Then get out.


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2012-05-08 04:31:37 AM  
Stories like this is why there should be a law requiring that for an organization to call itself a charity, a certain percentage of funds collected must go to what the charity says they're collecting funds for. No exceptions.
 
2012-05-08 04:34:02 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Stories like this is why there should be a law requiring that for an organization to call itself a charity, a certain percentage of funds collected must go to what the charity says they're collecting funds for. No exceptions.


There is a law. Problem is the percentage is too damned low
 
2012-05-08 04:42:26 AM  
Its gotten to the point where I rarely give to charity anymore just because of the sheer number of these groups who're either lining their pockets, or run by a bunch of fundies
 
2012-05-08 04:45:45 AM  
Not at all a cool story, and you are not my bro:

I once was seated next to some Austrian guy on a long international flight. We got to talking and he told me that he worked for the World Bank's International Development Association.

I told him that I have always been very suspect of those kind of organisations, and that I suspected that once all that money was crossing borders, and couldn't be audited, that most of it was probably stolen.

He started laughing and said, "oh, of course. For example, I knew some people who were part of an aid airlift to famine victims in Africa. $30 million in aid money! They asked a bunch of the reporters which hotel they were staying at. Then they unloaded one truck load of rice close to the hotel, about $400 worth of rice. All the reporters were there, writing, photographing. The rest of the $30 million they kept."
 
2012-05-08 04:50:11 AM  

Old enough to know better: Its gotten to the point where I rarely give to charity anymore just because of the sheer number of these groups who're either lining their pockets, or run by a bunch of fundies



If your goal is to help people: the Fundies are exactly who you should give to.

Nobody gives a higher percentage of the take to the poor than the Salvation Army.
 
2012-05-08 04:50:15 AM  

Little.Alex: Not at all a cool story, and you are not my bro:

I once was seated next to some Austrian guy on a long international flight. We got to talking and he told me that he worked for the World Bank's International Development Association.

I told him that I have always been very suspect of those kind of organisations, and that I suspected that once all that money was crossing borders, and couldn't be audited, that most of it was probably stolen.

He started laughing and said, "oh, of course. For example, I knew some people who were part of an aid airlift to famine victims in Africa. $30 million in aid money! They asked a bunch of the reporters which hotel they were staying at. Then they unloaded one truck load of rice close to the hotel, about $400 worth of rice. All the reporters were there, writing, photographing. The rest of the $30 million they kept."


A random dude you didnt know told you about massive aid fraud and you took it as bible? Thats kinda like getting a FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: OBAMA A MISLIN in your mailbox
 
2012-05-08 04:54:25 AM  

Little.Alex:


If your goal is to help people: the Fundies are exactly who you should give to.

Nobody gives a higher percentage of the take to the poor than the Salvation Army.


But then you run into that whole "discrimination against gays" thing. Something that makes me downright stabby.
 
2012-05-08 05:02:06 AM  

cman: I hope that more vet organizations have bullshiat like this under their shirt.

/Hero worship of soldiers and vets is excessive in our country


ha, it's funny because it's true as my buddies and I say "Honorable Discharge does not make you an Honorable Person."

I can't even count the number of guys I know from the Army and mainly the National Guard that believe the VA is just a system for free money, hell one asshole spent his last 6 months at drill walking around with a farking cane and could barely move above a speed reserved for 90 year old men. but guess who was back to running 5K's and 10K's only 4 short month laters after being medically discharged and drawing 80% disability for his mystery backitis that was magically cleared up by a chiropractor upon being discharged.

My favorite was the kid that tried the exact same thing but was even too lazy to go to his doctors apointments and get what was "wrong" with him documented or really even treated, so when it came time to discharge him he was to recieve no disability and showed up saying he was 100% cured and could stay in now after spending the last 9 months trying to get some sort of disability rating.

OK, I think i am done ranting now
 
2012-05-08 05:06:43 AM  

goatleggedfellow: For all the money we pour into military spending, we still need charities to take care of veterans.

Honestly, why does anyone fight for this country?


The same reason why people work in degrading conditions or, failing that, turn to gangs and drug deals: Desperation.
 
2012-05-08 05:12:21 AM  

cman: Little.Alex: Not at all a cool story, and you are not my bro:

I once was seated next to some Austrian guy on a long international flight. We got to
A random dude you didnt know told you about massive aid fraud and you took it as bible? Thats kinda like getting a FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD: OBAMA A MISLIN in your mailbox


Well actually that's a very abbreviated bit of the story. What really happened was (trying to keep it short)

Met Austrian guy flying from Vienna to Washington.
He and I start drinking on the flight.
He told me who he worked for.

I told him, that I had once been part of a software startup, that had contracted to do a bunch of work for the World Bank -his employer.

( Insert wavy flashback special effect. )

We were all but bankrupt right after 911, and took an $8 million dollar contract to write a bidding and grant tracking system for the WBIDA. We thought our company was saved. The only hitch was, it was mentioned to us that the legal fees for setting up the contract for the software development had to come out of our end.

But who cares, when you can't make payroll, about $1 or $2 thousand in legal fees? Naturally we took the deal. What else could we do? We couldn't make payroll, and had already skipped one payday.

And the Washington and New York attorneys gave us a 4 page, boiler plate document, and charged us $7,980,000 of the $8 million. We received a check for 20 thousand. We went bankrupt.

And before I could finish telling him that story, as soon as I mentioned the lawyers, he started laughing his head off. And finished the story for me, "so they gave you what? five thousand, ten thousand of the 8 million? Certainly! Bwahahahahaha

Listen, you look for a bankrupt company. You launder the money that way. If any auditor looks - he'll find a dead end. and the WB can say, 'hey, we tried to better monitor where all that money goes, but the software company went bankrupt and never delivered' And of course, the lawyers gave money back to the guys at WB who set it all up, and it cannot be audited and everybody wins. "

Then I asked him about aid money, please insert previous post here.

So that's why I believed him. Because I personally lost about $1.6 mil when we went bankrupt, after getting suckered by a scam thru the World Bank.

But don't ever let any of that diminish your belief in International Charities, or Big Government. Everyone in those organisations is completely selfless, and working to help others.
 
2012-05-08 05:14:54 AM  
Bastards! They could've at least given them the peanut butter ones.

/peanut butter M&Ms are my crack
 
2012-05-08 05:15:25 AM  

RedPhoenix122: violentsalvation: I hope not. the VA does not do enough for you guys. It isn't all hero worship. Sometimes a thanks is just a thanks, you went and you did what you do, and you gave much more than your fair share. It is a thanks that I don't want to be tax-deductible. It is recognition that you got screwed and continue to get screwed.

Nothing like an HR manager looking at you like you're a ticking time bomb.


i worked at several Fortune 100 corporations in my time. all of them were well staffed with veterans, usually in very good positions. they were treasured for their educations and life experience. and those vets usually gave preference to other vets when filling positions in their departments. those guys were good workers, they would go the extra yard when the job called for it, and they didn't biatch & whine like nancies.

at other employers along the way i also met a lot of young vets that couldn't find a good paying job elsewhere. those were the guys that took the recruiting office liars word as good. then they found out there isn't much call for gunners, tank operators and weapons experts in the civilian world.
 
2012-05-08 05:25:53 AM  
If only there were a large group of men - angry men - with military experience (lets call them "veterans") who could hunt down these scam artists and plant them somewhere in Nevada.

/or women
 
2012-05-08 05:34:55 AM  

HakunaMatata: So a marketing company found a way to unload all the excess goods that they failed to market successfully, get paid for them, and write them off as charitable donations?

Wish i could say i'm surprised but the financial world - including marketers/advertisers - are populated by the scum of the earth from the top down.

Time to dust the cobwebs off those guillotines!


I think it's worse than that. The randomness of the items they are selling tells me that they are buying "pallets" of random consumer goods at liquidation auctions (for likely pennies on the dollar) and then claiming the full retail value as contributions made to the vets' groups, all to keep the IRS off their ass. Hopefully this news story will help blow the lid off that (and I would like to see a list of the owners/directors/officers of the charity compared with one for the direct mail operation. This is a well-known scam in the right-wing political fund-raising world, a PAC raises donations that seem to all go to a direct mail firm that just happens to be owned by the PAC founder's relatives)
 
2012-05-08 05:36:39 AM  

0Icky0: If only there were a large group of men - angry men - with military experience (lets call them "veterans") who could hunt down these scam artists and plant them somewhere in Nevada.

/or women


Honestly those guys who obsess about "stolen valor" cases could do much better service to their fellow veterans busting scam charities, and they've already got the investigative skill set necessary to do it
 
2012-05-08 05:43:59 AM  
Never give to charity, they are most thieves and swindlers, fark that.

Link
 
2012-05-08 05:45:59 AM  
This Org sounds downright crooked. I also don't like it when a charity spends all the money you gave them on advertising to get more money. I once gave the Nature Conservancy $10 (one of the better charities AFAIK). They spent that and much more sending me free calendars, address labels and other stationery crap I don't need.

The same goes for companies where I buy online, then they send catalogs for years afterword...cripes man! Keep your costs down! Ask me if I'm an internet only customer or something.
/rant off
 
2012-05-08 05:47:18 AM  

fisker: Ambivalence: OMG is there really such a thing as coconut M&Ms?

Nasty, right?


Extremely nasty. Much worse than the pretzel ones.
 
2012-05-08 06:03:17 AM  
I'm so glad we trust private charities to do the necessary work for our society and not that evil wasteful government.
 
2012-05-08 06:10:12 AM  
A-Team?? Where are you?

Otherwise, we should pity the fool who donates until a secure system exists.
 
2012-05-08 06:12:40 AM  
The Disabled National Veterans Foundation, based in Washington, D.C., and founded in 2007, received about $55.9 million in donations since it began operations in 2007, according to publicly available IRS 990 forms.

Yet according to the DNVF's tax filings with the IRS, almost none of that money has wound up in the hands of American veterans.


/Well of course not..you don't think that they actually CARE about the vets do you? Total money scam.
 
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