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(The New York Times)   Forget bullet trains until America fixes this: "A recent trainload of sulfur took some 27 hours to pass through Chicago - an average speed of 1.13 miles per hour, or about a quarter the pace of many electric wheelchairs"   (nytimes.com ) divider line
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2012-05-07 11:22:50 PM  

LordOfThePings: WhyteRaven74: so far this year there have been 6 homicides there, if that rate holds there were will be 18 there this year.

Don't count your homicides before they dispatch.


I'm counting you already for this pun.
 
2012-05-07 11:26:54 PM  

HiFiGuy: Fluorescent Testicle: The last time I took the train, the four-hour ride lasted fourteen and a half hours.

Yeah? Well, the last time I took a three-hour cruise, it lasted 98 episodes.

1.13 MPH doesn't mean the train slogged through the city like it was stuck in bumper-to-bumper traffic... It's more like "25 mph... stop for a while... some movement... stop again... back up.... repeat."

I ride the rails daily into NYC and I would not give it up for a car. 36 mi in about 1:20 (which includes 15 minutes of walking) for about $18 round trip, but you could not do better driving (60 min with no traffic, plus parking and tolls [$35])


Haha funny guy. There was no one named Richard on the Gilligan's Island tv series.

/caught you
 
2012-05-07 11:27:01 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: hey're getting rid of all but the most profitable flight and canceling as many out of small airports as they can. The same thing has happened to Pittsburgh and a number of other second and third string airports.


Pittsburgh's airport is incredibly depressing because of this reason.
 
2012-05-07 11:30:26 PM  
Those in office covering the south suburbs who want the Peotone airport are delusional morons and/or stand to benefit personally from the project. They think the northwest burbs are better off because of ORD. No, they better off because they haven't suffered through 50-100+ years of crooked politicians.

Because of this thing called a "great lake" in the way, the south side and south suburbs have practically all the rail pass through them.

But as rail expands what do they want? A friggin' airport. They think that will bring the manufacturing and jobs back. Because to them (the politicians), they aren't the problem, the lack of an airport is. Anyone who's lived in both areas knows the reason why the NW burbs do well while the south suburbs suffer isn't just because of where ORD is. There are airports close enough and ORD isn't that far away either compared to many business trips. The problem is politicians.
 
2012-05-07 11:31:47 PM  

davidphogan: As I understand it the project includes a number of bypass tracks, in addition to the grade separation. Due to FRA and congressional limitations, grade separations are the easiest part to get funding for due to the safety improvements that are immediate benefits. In addition, when grade separations are added so are electronic switches and other features that improve throughput (if not speed).

It seems like the smart long-term option would be bypass tracks, but I can't see any way that the federal government would support even a double tracked freight bypass for freight only given the current national political climate.


And, of course, the crowning irony is that there were at least four attempts to bypass Chicago over the years, and CN's ex-EJ&E line is the only survivor.

The other three:
The Michigan Central (later NYC, then Penn Central) Joliet Cutoff from East Gary (now Lake Station), IN to Joliet. Some of it is still in service as industrial trackage, while from Park Forest westward it's now a bike trail.

NYC's Kankakee Belt Route, which began in South Bend, IN, and went through Kankakee and Streator, crossed the Illinois River, and then to Zearing (just east of Princeton) where it joined the Burlington. The bridge is now gone, and most of what remains is used to deliver coal to power plants.

The Kankakee and Seneca, between (surprise!) Kankakee and Seneca. All that remains is an industrial spur with a lift bridge across the Illinois River at Seneca.
 
2012-05-07 11:35:45 PM  
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-07 11:40:09 PM  
The airplane biz was subsidized after the war to shelter the expense of developing jet engines from the defense budget. None of the transportation schemes we use today arose solely through market forces. Ike saw the autobahn and likey likey!
 
2012-05-07 11:42:24 PM  
America: Farking up its future since 1990.
 
2012-05-07 11:56:07 PM  

Zeno-25: But investing in infrastructure is socialism!

/teatards told me so


New land grants!
 
2012-05-07 11:58:09 PM  
Most of the delay comes from the hump yard. Most freight trains do not simply go from point A to point B. Some cars are going to point B, some to point C, some to point D, some to point E, etc. Sure, sometimes an entire train will go from point A to point B, but not very often. So, they are sent to hump yards. Here the trains are pushed slowly up a hill and near the top they are uncoupled and as they crest the hill the coast down the other side where they are rerouted along a dozen or so tracks where they are reassembled into new trains. This is all done manually. A man actually has to stand/walk along side the trains and physically uncouple the cars. That takes time. This is why most freight trains coming through Chicago take a long time to get back out of the city.

So, the train in question that took 27 hours to pass through Chicago? Yeah, it did not creep along at 1.13 miles per hour. Most of the time the train sat motionless in a yard waiting its turn to go over the hump.
 
2012-05-08 12:02:30 AM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Baz the Spaz:
But then all those gang bangers will probably move down here to Kankakee. On second thought....

I haven't been to Kankakee in about a decade now, but the ghettification of that town in ~2000 compared to the mid-80's was sad.


I'm actually in west Kankakee which is still ok. Stay off the east side if you know what's good for ya'!
 
2012-05-08 12:10:03 AM  
That's a lot of Hoverounds.
 
2012-05-08 12:15:06 AM  

Fubegra: And, of course, the crowning irony is that there were at least four attempts to bypass Chicago over the years, and CN's ex-EJ&E line is the only survivor.


Something to add: a KMZ of the three failed bypass attempts by yours truly.
 
2012-05-08 12:18:43 AM  

Mock26: Most of the delay comes from the hump yard. Most freight trains do not simply go from point A to point B. Some cars are going to point B, some to point C, some to point D, some to point E, etc. Sure, sometimes an entire train will go from point A to point B, but not very often. So, they are sent to hump yards. Here the trains are pushed slowly up a hill and near the top they are uncoupled and as they crest the hill the coast down the other side where they are rerouted along a dozen or so tracks where they are reassembled into new trains. This is all done manually. A man actually has to stand/walk along side the trains and physically uncouple the cars. That takes time. This is why most freight trains coming through Chicago take a long time to get back out of the city.

So, the train in question that took 27 hours to pass through Chicago? Yeah, it did not creep along at 1.13 miles per hour. Most of the time the train sat motionless in a yard waiting its turn to go over the hump.


You do understand that only the uncoupling is done manually, and all that requires is the guy at the top of the hill to lift the lever on the end of the car. The rest is automatic these days...all of the switches at the bottom of the hill are aligned to send the car where it needs to go.

The train in TFA sounds like it was a unit train anyway. No breaking/building required.
 
2012-05-08 12:24:08 AM  

buzzcut73: Mock26: Most of the delay comes from the hump yard. Most freight trains do not simply go from point A to point B. Some cars are going to point B, some to point C, some to point D, some to point E, etc. Sure, sometimes an entire train will go from point A to point B, but not very often. So, they are sent to hump yards. Here the trains are pushed slowly up a hill and near the top they are uncoupled and as they crest the hill the coast down the other side where they are rerouted along a dozen or so tracks where they are reassembled into new trains. This is all done manually. A man actually has to stand/walk along side the trains and physically uncouple the cars. That takes time. This is why most freight trains coming through Chicago take a long time to get back out of the city.

So, the train in question that took 27 hours to pass through Chicago? Yeah, it did not creep along at 1.13 miles per hour. Most of the time the train sat motionless in a yard waiting its turn to go over the hump.

You do understand that only the uncoupling is done manually, and all that requires is the guy at the top of the hill to lift the lever on the end of the car. The rest is automatic these days...all of the switches at the bottom of the hill are aligned to send the car where it needs to go.

The train in TFA sounds like it was a unit train anyway. No breaking/building required.


Yep, only the uncoupling is done manually. But that still takes a lot of time.

As for the train in the article, it does sound like a unit train, but it does not say specifically.
 
2012-05-08 12:24:42 AM  
This is exactly what happened to Adam's lettuce on ice thing in East of Eden. The train got stuck in Chicago for a few weeks.
 
2012-05-08 12:51:17 AM  

TheMatchHare: 12349876: TheMatchHare: Mrtraveler01: Baz the Spaz: In turn, finance it using the money Cong. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-stupid), wants to spend on the Peotone airport, that so-called "3rd Chicago airport" that is not going to be located in Chicago and is not wanted by the airlines or the people it will displace.

Are they still planning for that stupid thing? I thought they finally killed it?

Nope. (pops)

That's stupid. Chicago already has 2 airports large airports plus Gary and Dupage have runways long enough for domestic service.

It does seem like a project that the O'Hare Modernization has made Peotone redundant. It might be something that non-United/American airlines come on board with when they realize that the current O'Hare project has built them into a corner in terms of terminal expansions and Midway is capped out, or it might be looking to pull freight service from O'Hare...but I honestly don't know enough about airlines & their needs to even speculate intelligently.


Maybe they could use the funds being set aside for Peotone for a more useful project... Like connecting the L to Union Station... Or creating some sort of public rail or bus link between O'Hare and Midway...
 
2012-05-08 12:59:04 AM  

Mrtraveler01: TheMatchHare: Mrtraveler01: Baz the Spaz: In turn, finance it using the money Cong. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-stupid), wants to spend on the Peotone airport, that so-called "3rd Chicago airport" that is not going to be located in Chicago and is not wanted by the airlines or the people it will displace.

Are they still planning for that stupid thing? I thought they finally killed it?

Nope. (pops)

Catchy music.

But unless this is replacing O'Hare. This is a really stupid idea.

We thought the same thing here in St. Louis when Lambert was still busy and so they built an airport in Illinois. And look at how busy it gets.

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And they're going to make the SAME mistake in the SAME state this happened in?


To be fair, Chicago and Metro East might as well be in different states...

Also, I see your MidAmerica Airport and raise you Montreal-Mirabel:
www.taylornoakes.com
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2012-05-08 12:59:54 AM  

buzzcut73: You do understand that only the uncoupling is done manually, and all that requires is the guy at the top of the hill to lift the lever on the end of the car. The rest is automatic these days...all of the switches at the bottom of the hill are aligned to send the car where it needs to go.

The train in TFA sounds like it was a unit train anyway. No breaking/building required.


Air hoses don't connect themselves.
 
2012-05-08 01:35:57 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Who else here travels by train? I've never seen a delay of more than 15 minutes. That is usually in a city center where you have to go ahead, wait for a train to leave and back in to the station.

/Of course mudslides will randomly cancel the train here.


I'm on a train right now, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Fast, reliable, comfortable, and reasonably affordable. Of course, I live in Europe, so my kilometrage may vary.

Strasbourg to Zurich in about two hours, have a couple of meetings, fight a double-naught spy, then back home in time for dinner.
 
2012-05-08 02:13:09 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Mrtraveler01: It's essentially a clusterfark for trains in Chicago.

Everyone seen old pictures of downtown when there was a rail yard at the north end of Grant Park? It's something to think that not that long ago trains weren't just a part of the city off in some places where most people don't see them, they were right downtown.


Chicago was not only full of trains, but trains built Chicago, and Chicago's trains built the entire Manifest Destiny era of the nation. It's no accident that it was the second most powerful city in the hemisphere in the 19th century and 3rd to this day. If Los Angeles hadn't grown like a cancer in 20 years, it would still be 2nd.
 
2012-05-08 02:21:01 AM  

signaljammer: The airplane biz was subsidized after the war to shelter the expense of developing jet engines from the defense budget. None of the transportation schemes we use today arose solely through market forces. Ike saw the autobahn and likey likey!


I read a paper somewhere about that. Author's claim was there really isn't any way to make transportation pay by charging the direct users of a system. If you charge the direct users (Passengers and freight) enough to pay for the rails/roads/airports/etc you won't get enough business. And there is no way to charge the secondary users except via taxes. Not that, that's bad other than it doesn't smell free markety enough for some people.
 
2012-05-08 02:27:24 AM  
I notice a lot of Amtrak bashing in this thread. I'm not sure why. In the trucking industry, all the companies hand out Greyhound tickets to get to orientation. Ever sit through a Greyhound ride from Georgia to Utah, with two days snowbound in Colorado? Had several coworkers who suffered through that.

Amtrak is LUXURY. And priced at about the same as a bus ticket (at least around here). I went from Indianapolis to Salt Lake City, took the same length of time as Greyhound and for $20 less. Didn't have any problems in Chicago going out, did have maybe a 1 hour delay coming back.

My former employer forced me to fly from SLC to Atlanta to pick up a truck, that sucked almost as much as Greyhound. In the future, I am going to insist on Amtrak for any travel I can't accomplish by driving. It's laid back, there's a fine dining car, there is a lounge car with a snack bar, and there are multiple restrooms on every passenger car. Fark every other option out there. There's nothing that I do that would require me to be across the country in a matter of hours anyway. Anything needing that can be accomplished through teleconferencing.
 
2012-05-08 02:47:52 AM  
Makes me wonder....can you just haul ass in your electric wheelchair? I mean, how fast can that motor get going if you take the regulators off? I wanna find out - someone bring me their hoverround, cause I am gonna ride that biatch till the motor blows out.
 
2012-05-08 03:01:47 AM  

Zeno-25: But investing in infrastructure is socialism!

/teatards told me so



So you're one of those LibTards that believes in wasting money on obsolete technology?
 
2012-05-08 04:12:18 AM  

Everyone in Chicago knows the trains go by alot more often than that...

communabuilder.tapuz.co.il

 
2012-05-08 05:52:11 AM  
Taxation is theft. It is the strong taking money from others at the point of a gun, and giving it to their own friends. There is no difference between the government and a mob racket.

Trains? If trains were meant to succeed, then they would succeed on their own. Why do people keep trying to use the stolen "tax" money to fund their dead-end pet projects?
 
2012-05-08 06:02:03 AM  

RogermcAllen: Building light rail lines would mean that commuter trains wouldn't have to pull over. It would also allow them to drive faster.


You really need to learn the terms you are talking about. What you mean to say is heavy rail dedicated to passenger service.

Light rail means trams.
 
2012-05-08 06:16:53 AM  

TheMatchHare: davidphogan: Why forget HSR? Fixing issues like this is part of getting HSR in the first place.

/oh, what's that? Subby is trolling?

Actually, HSR is a completely different discussion. Most HSR proposals would have new decicated lines to avoid freight/passenger conflicts rather than merely minimize them. It's less important for 100 mph "HSR", but vital for the 220 mph lines which are talked about.

Back to TFA, grade separation alone won't nearly do enough the relieve the clusterfark that is the Chicago rail network. They need additional new lines which bypass the existing yards altogether, but it seems the NIMBYs keep fighting them tooth and nail each time a new proposal comes up. Here's an NPR story on it from several years back. Nothing much has really changed since then...



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"HAMILTON STREET RAILWAY STREETCAR 511

Photographed at the Wentworth Street carbarns, 511 was built in 1927 by National Steel Car of Hamilton, Ontario. In all, 48 similar cars were built for the HSR between 1926 and 1928. These cars were a result of a franchise renewal with the City of Hamilton which stated certain improvements had to be made to the street railway. With an overall length of 40' 11" and a width of 8' 3", the cars weighed 37,000 lbs and seated 53 passengers."
 
2012-05-08 06:47:16 AM  

Little.Alex: Zeno-25: But investing in infrastructure is socialism!

/teatards told me so


So you're one of those LibTards that believes in wasting money on obsolete technology?


I'll forgive you your confusion because you are probably only familiar with trains in the U.S. If you had ever ridden a modern train in another country, you would know how stupid that sounds.

If there's any obsolete transportation technology, it's the internal combustion engine.
 
2012-05-08 06:49:05 AM  

aheinel: America: Farking up its future since 1990.


You're off by ten years.

Reagan was elected in 1980.
 
2012-05-08 06:50:04 AM  

TheMatchHare: Mrtraveler01: Baz the Spaz: In turn, finance it using the money Cong. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-stupid), wants to spend on the Peotone airport, that so-called "3rd Chicago airport" that is not going to be located in Chicago and is not wanted by the airlines or the people it will displace.

Are they still planning for that stupid thing? I thought they finally killed it?

Nope. (pops)


If Chicago really needs a third airport, why not just build up Gary?
 
2012-05-08 07:18:25 AM  

Slesfo: Taxation is theft. It is the strong taking money from others at the point of a gun, and giving it to their own friends. There is no difference between the government and a mob racket.

Trains? If trains were meant to succeed, then they would succeed on their own. Why do people keep trying to use the stolen "tax" money to fund their dead-end pet projects?


I live with my mom.

It is like you are not even trying. Come on, man, put some effort in your troll!
 
2012-05-08 07:18:51 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Little.Alex: Zeno-25: But investing in infrastructure is socialism!

/teatards told me so


So you're one of those LibTards that believes in wasting money on obsolete technology?

I'll forgive you your confusion because you are probably only familiar with trains in the U.S. If you had ever ridden a modern train in another country, you would know how stupid that sounds.

If there's any obsolete transportation technology, it's the internal combustion engine.


What a confused thing to say.

You have no idea what you're talking about. And yes, I've used modern trains in Europe in Italy, Austria, Germany and Ukraine.

Cars are everyone's first choice. Not Horses, or hang gliders or trains or unicorns. Even Al Gore owns cars. And we're talking about Chicago. I guess you didn't know this; but Chicago is in America.

Trains are worse than useless, because they require constant subsidy to keep them rolling, with very few exceptions. And the unionized rail workers instantly become a lobbying group for ever higher taxes. That's why dumbass Libs love them: because they become a force for ever more expensive government. So they lose a fortune when they're built, and then another slightly smaller fortune every year after that.

Take out a map. Look at America. It's the one between Canada and Mexico. The one with 57 states. See how big? See all the distance between cities? See all the miles and miles of rail that must be maintained - unlike when you fly. We already pay to maintain the highly flexible highway system. Why double that cost for something nobody will use?

Trains are fine for tiny, densely populated places like Japan. Trains are fine in a few particularly dense downtown areas, like DC and Chicago and New York. Everyplace else; it is a mathematical certainty that they are a boondoggle.

Finally; they make the population even more a hostage of the government. When Government workers and their union allies can shut down all banks, hospitals, and transportation; you no longer live in a free society. Look at France. It is no longer a functioning democracy. No matter who is elected, the policies remain the same. Every politician's sole job becomes; feed the beast so it can grow stronger - until the whole thing collapses.
 
2012-05-08 07:19:53 AM  
WHAR JORBS, WHAR?!
 
2012-05-08 07:26:00 AM  

Mock26: Slesfo: Taxation is theft. It is the strong taking money from others at the point of a gun, and giving it to their own friends. There is no difference between the government and a mob racket.

Trains? If trains were meant to succeed, then they would succeed on their own. Why do people keep trying to use the stolen "tax" money to fund their dead-end pet projects?

I live with my mom.

It is like you are not even trying. Come on, man, put some effort in your troll!



It's not trolling, because he's absolutely correct.
 
2012-05-08 08:00:45 AM  

buzzcut73: Railroads...using hybrid technology since the 1940's
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/Hot like 640 volts


um, since the 1890's actually.
 
2012-05-08 08:06:25 AM  
a load of sulfur is a dwell capable product. it takes that long to move across town for a few reasons. it is handled by several railroads and since we are talking about trains, must be made into and then remade into a consist to be moved.

if railroad A gets the car at 5am, it takes time to sort the train it came in on, then it has to be assembled into a train that is heading for railroad B. this train might arrive at the next railroad at 10am. the next railroad has to break that train down and assemble the next train for railroad C. if there was a delay and railroad B already sent a train to railroad C, the car has to wait for the next train to railroad C. all this adds up.

dwell and velocity are very major components of freight railroading along with per diem charges.
 
2012-05-08 08:13:22 AM  

Doc Daneeka:

If there's any obsolete transportation technology, it's the internal combustion engine.


huh? the internal combustion engine in moving freight is extremely efficient and versatile. stringing catenary for light duty lines that see one or two trains a week or season lines would be a colossal waste of money - money better spent on mainline improvements. increasing height restrictions to allow for double stacks has been a major task recently and it is allowing eastern roads to carry more freight with the same number of cars. adding capacity is another investment that makes sense. double and triple tracking single mains is happening right now and it is privately funded. billions of railroad funds are being invested so you can have your iPod, Fleshlight, and PS3.
 
2012-05-08 08:28:00 AM  

BolloxReader: I notice a lot of Amtrak bashing in this thread. I'm not sure why. In the trucking industry, all the companies hand out Greyhound tickets to get to orientation. Ever sit through a Greyhound ride from Georgia to Utah, with two days snowbound in Colorado? Had several coworkers who suffered through that.

Amtrak is LUXURY. And priced at about the same as a bus ticket (at least around here). I went from Indianapolis to Salt Lake City, took the same length of time as Greyhound and for $20 less. Didn't have any problems in Chicago going out, did have maybe a 1 hour delay coming back.

My former employer forced me to fly from SLC to Atlanta to pick up a truck, that sucked almost as much as Greyhound. In the future, I am going to insist on Amtrak for any travel I can't accomplish by driving. It's laid back, there's a fine dining car, there is a lounge car with a snack bar, and there are multiple restrooms on every passenger car. Fark every other option out there. There's nothing that I do that would require me to be across the country in a matter of hours anyway. Anything needing that can be accomplished through teleconferencing.


When I first moved to DC, I used to regularly travel back to NY, CT and Boston via Amtrak. Even with a 30 minute layover in NYC, it was still quicker, and less stressful than the drive. Unfortunately, I now have two dogs that don't like to be boarded- which means I'm stuck with the urban hell that is I-95.
 
2012-05-08 08:40:05 AM  
Paying for railroads is socialism

the sun is socialism!

SOCIALISM IS SOCIALISM IS SOCIALALSISOBAMASISMI!!!

boom....thud
 
2012-05-08 10:03:58 AM  

GoTarHeels: davidphogan: sharkbeagle: AMTRAK from Raleigh to Charlotte - scheduled to take 4 hrs is never less than 5. It's about 265 miles for an average speed of 53 mph - for light rail no hassles passenger no freight traffic.

Give up, just give up already.

What light rail system goes from Raleigh to Charlotte?

Um, yeah.

That train shares the rails with EVERYTHING. Grade crossings, freight, weird curves, the works. Who in their right mind would take the train to Charlotte? It's 3 hours by car, easy, and you can leave whenever you want AND have your car when you get there. What am I missing? Trains are pointless.


This. They don't have enough lines to run all the traffic, freight gets preference and in places they go down to only one line. That is where the train lines haven't been fully pulled up altogether in some of the cities and towns in NC. The passenger train service in NC takes a back place to freight and has done for decades, The train system has never recovered from the 1860s and the 1950s. Now if they had a good 4-6 sets of rails in operation at once in a major route things would go much better but there is no way they would allow that in this state.
 
2012-05-08 12:02:07 PM  

Baz the Spaz: But that, my friends, is Illinois politics.

Here are a couple of recent articles:
Link
Link


From one of the links: Jackson has said the airport would be built at no cost to taxpayers or airlines and would decrease fares by increasing competition.

Alright; I grew up in the south suburbs. Jackson had some family a block over from me in Lansing. I'm used to his silliness. But if the airlines aren't paying for it, and the taxpayers aren't paying for it, then who is? He mentions some funding from the Canadian government and developers, but those are both unbelievable. Doesn't Canada have enough domestic projects to spend their own money on? What type of development would private businesses hope to recoup $700 million on?
 
2012-05-08 12:52:59 PM  

Mock26: Most of the delay comes from the hump yard. Most freight trains do not simply go from point A to point B. Some cars are going to point B, some to point C, some to point D, some to point E, etc. Sure, sometimes an entire train will go from point A to point B, but not very often. So, they are sent to hump yards. Here the trains are pushed slowly up a hill and near the top they are uncoupled and as they crest the hill the coast down the other side where they are rerouted along a dozen or so tracks where they are reassembled into new trains. This is all done manually. A man actually has to stand/walk along side the trains and physically uncouple the cars. That takes time. This is why most freight trains coming through Chicago take a long time to get back out of the city.

So, the train in question that took 27 hours to pass through Chicago? Yeah, it did not creep along at 1.13 miles per hour. Most of the time the train sat motionless in a yard waiting its turn to go over the hump.


Get that logic shiat out of here. There is no room for it.

I think it is neat how they're automated beyond the decoupling. I am easily amused and, as my career indicates, transportation interests me. It's fun watching the people in this (and other) threads opine though.
 
2012-05-08 07:03:04 PM  
Seems like the kind of thing where you'd want them to take it slow.
 
2012-05-08 07:49:07 PM  

RealAmericanHero: Indubitably: Some Tea Party activists are douchebags. Some aren't.

They may not all be douchebags, but they're all wrong


of course they are and all the liberals are always right.
 
2012-05-09 06:20:37 PM  

LariSpitler: RealAmericanHero: Indubitably: Some Tea Party activists are douchebags. Some aren't.

They may not all be douchebags, but they're all wrong

of course they are and all the liberals are always right.


Nice,

Look,

We're in this together, folks.

We rise or fall as one.

Thank you.
 
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