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2012-05-07 02:45:25 PM
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems!

haphappy.com
 
2012-05-07 02:47:30 PM
Is there anything it can't do?

/well, except maybe not make you want to pee
 
2012-05-07 02:55:13 PM
Yeah, but the next morning America is going to want to kill itself.
 
2012-05-07 03:16:14 PM

Serious Black: haphappy.com


No beer and no TV make America... something something.
 
2012-05-07 03:42:13 PM
Punch-top can? That's hilarious. Like I'd want to "shotgun" a beer in the first place. Of course it'll appeal to the college/dumbass crowd.
 
2012-05-07 03:43:35 PM
Nothing can save America. Not until the youth of today are gone and buried and their children don't end up like them
 
2012-05-07 03:47:08 PM
Fizzy yellow water is for wussies.
 
2012-05-07 03:47:20 PM

ontariolightning: Nothing can save America. Not until the youth of today are gone and buried and their children don't end up like them


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-07 03:47:49 PM

ontariolightning: Nothing can save America. Not until the youth of today are gone and buried and their children don't end up like them


Thanks, dad.
 
2012-05-07 03:47:51 PM
Could? COULD?

More like WILL
 
2012-05-07 03:48:48 PM

ontariolightning: Nothing can save America. Not until the youth of today are gone and buried and their children don't end up like them


Aren't there some clouds you should be yelling at?
 
2012-05-07 03:49:59 PM
Yeah, I can see it, but the truth is that Apple's products aren't superior to (all) Windows PCs,and the iPhone isn't superior to (all) Android devices. That's just marketing, which is a way to get people to pay money for stuff that they either don't want or don't need.
 
2012-05-07 03:50:28 PM
Drew is a patriot.
 
2012-05-07 03:50:58 PM
Also, beer already saved the world once before. What more do we want?
 
2012-05-07 03:51:10 PM
But where will American find it?

/quick to the imports!
//like making love in a canoe
 
2012-05-07 03:52:13 PM

Fapinator: Yeah, I can see it, but the truth is that Apple's products aren't superior to (all) Windows PCs,and the iPhone isn't superior to (all) Android devices. That's just marketing, which is a way to get people to pay money for stuff that they either don't want or don't need.



Eh?
 
2012-05-07 03:53:40 PM
Came to say this..If it isn't Sierra Nevada Pale Ale or better, don't bother.
 
2012-05-07 03:55:01 PM
Don't forget

farm5.staticflickr.com

your cup holder
 
2012-05-07 03:55:21 PM

Fapinator: Yeah, I can see it, but the truth is that Apple's products aren't superior to (all) Windows PCs,and the iPhone isn't superior to (all) Android devices. That's just marketing, which is a way to get people to pay money for stuff that they either don't want or don't need.


The idea, however, is that Apple got people to pay more to get more quality over quantity, which is not common in the general marketplace. I think it is an apt parallel for craft beer, especially as I'd like to see good craft brewers thrive as Apple has.

I for one personally enjoy the craft beer revolution that's taken place. Ever since 2005 when the high-gravity ban was lifted in South Carolina, Charleston alone has gotten three new and very good craft breweries and an f-ton of pubs with 10-40 taps with all or almost all quality beers. It is really nice!
 
2012-05-07 03:55:46 PM
Yay, beer thread....my obscure craft brewery is superior to yours.

i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-07 03:55:47 PM

What Plants Crave: ontariolightning: Nothing can save America. Not until the youth of today are gone and buried and their children don't end up like them

Aren't there some clouds you should be yelling at?


I'm 26 but I can recognize this generation is going to suck.

"Dey type like dis"
 
2012-05-07 03:56:37 PM
I think this would also help our obesity issues. I find that even though I spend more to buy good ingredients or well-prepared food, I'm more satisfied with a normal portion than when I was younger and thought a "super sized" fry was a value too good to pass up. One of the best things I did for weight control was stop buying inexpensive snacks to keep in the house. Going to my favorite ice cream place for a scoop is more expensive than buying a gallon of Breyer's but eat it less often and I enjoy it more when I do.

ontariolightning: Nothing can save America. Not until the youth of today are gone and buried and their children don't end up like them


These are actually habits I picked up from my very frugal (but overweight parents) that I've been systematically correcting.
 
2012-05-07 03:56:40 PM

pwhp_67: Eh?


It was in the article. The article said Americans are willing to buy from Apple for higher quality. I don't think Apple stuff is truly higher quality than stuff competing companies sell. I think it's just hype/marketing.
 
2012-05-07 03:57:51 PM
I'd also say that I'm much happier drinking one pint of something I really enjoy (say a 90-minute) than an entire six pack of lawnmower beer.

The same can be said for good bourbon... I'll drop $10 for a glass of single barrel and savor it while people throw their money at Miller Lites, alternating between the bar and bathroom. Needless to say, I'm old.
 
2012-05-07 03:58:46 PM
I don't think paying more for higher quality is as revolutionary a concept as the author thinks it is.
 
2012-05-07 03:58:56 PM
Ahh, alcoholic beverages. People turn to them when they are happy and wish to celebrate. And they turn to them when they are sad and in need of escape. And because they like beer. Thus, whatever else the economy is doing, beer companies will do business. (Wine, too.)

Booze is a powerful thing.
 
2012-05-07 04:01:32 PM
I don't think I'm a beer snob, but I definitely chortle a bit whenever someone asks me if I want a Bud or a Coors (and they ask all serious-like).
 
2012-05-07 04:02:01 PM
Blue Moon is made by Coors???

I'm not sure if I should slap you or kiss you subby.

/I actually *like* that beer...
//This is going to change my whole world view.
///Up is down, down is up, and for all I know SkinnyHead isn't an idiot...

...nope, that last one set me right... SkinnyHead is still an idiot.

Thanks SkinnyHead.
 
2012-05-07 04:02:17 PM

Fapinator: It was in the article. The article said Americans are willing to buy from Apple for higher quality. I don't think Apple stuff is truly higher quality than stuff competing companies sell. I think it's just hype/marketing.


It isn't a guarantee of "the best" at any one minute, but all their competitors benchmark their products. Any comparison of "best smartphone" or "best tablet" is going to end up with "who can beat the iProduct." You can tell the ones that succeed because, surprise surprise, their products are also expensive.

I never thought I'd defend their products, but then I got an iPod touch and then an iPad as Christmas gifts from my company (different years) and I've been happy with them. "Free" is a hard to beat price point, though.
 
2012-05-07 04:03:09 PM

factoryconnection: The idea, however, is that Apple got people to pay more to get more quality over quantity, which is not common in the general marketplace. I think it is an apt parallel for craft beer, especially as I'd like to see good craft brewers thrive as Apple has.

I for one personally enjoy the craft beer revolution that's taken place. Ever since 2005 when the high-gravity ban was lifted in South Carolina, Charleston alone has gotten three new and very good craft breweries and an f-ton of pubs with 10-40 taps with all or almost all quality beers. It is really nice!


I'm with you on the craft beer thing, since a lot of it is actually of higher quality than the "big brewery" stuff. I don't drink beer often (yeah, yeah), but I'd rather have a Schlafly's than a Budweiser (unless I'm just thirsty because I'm mowing the lawn).

But that's actual higher quality. Apple stuff is an apt parallel as you say, but I think the reality is not that it's higher quality, but rather the idea of higher quality, which isn't quite the same thing, but works for the argument the article is making.

So as far as I can tell I basically agree with you.
 
2012-05-07 04:03:42 PM
Yes, Apple is a great example of americans not being marketed to.

http://brookstonbeerbulletin.com/the-big-brewers-brands/

Your craft beer may not be, btw.

I home brew but still love Sam Adams and Flying Fish.
 
2012-05-07 04:07:51 PM

Fapinator: Yeah, I can see it, but the truth is that Apple's products aren't superior to (all) Windows PCs,and the iPhone isn't superior to (all) Android devices. That's just marketing, which is a way to get people to pay money for stuff that they either don't want or don't need.


You sound like you need a beer.
 
2012-05-07 04:07:58 PM
Im currently enjoying a post-welding Troubadour Magna Triple IPA, so I'm getting a buzz out of this...
 
2012-05-07 04:08:12 PM
Hell, it saved us once before, when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
media.giantbomb.com
 
2012-05-07 04:10:26 PM
I'm going to buy myself a kegerator for my homebrew soon, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Hopefully I'm able to find a good cheap used one, I'm getting sick of hand bottling everything.
 
2012-05-07 04:12:53 PM

factoryconnection: but then I got an iPod touch and then an iPad as Christmas gifts from my company


When I get around to getting a smart phone, I'll probably get a (more-or-less) high quality Android phone, but only because my carrier is T-Mobile. Hell, I don't even like Android. I'd rather use something like MeeGo, if I could be sure T-Mobile would let me. If my carrier were AT&T or Verizon, I'd get an iPhone. I'm not saying Apple's stuff is bad, I'm just saying that the actual quality is somewhat lower than the perceived quality. I often help people with their Macs (and also Windows machines) but the Mac people get really pissed off when their hard drive dies, whereas Windows people tend to take it in stride. Somehow people get the idea that a Macbook Pro can't break - but the reality is that Apple uses the same hard drives that everybody else does.
 
2012-05-07 04:15:10 PM

dodecahedron: You sound like you need a beer.


Actually what I need is a blunt, but smoking marijuana is frowned on here where I work.
 
2012-05-07 04:17:44 PM
Beer. Because nobody wants to see me sober
 
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2012-05-07 04:18:09 PM

Maud Dib: Yay, beer thread....my obscure craft brewery is superior to yours.

[i865.photobucket.com image 514x466]



Innova?!
[Rolls eyes]
 
2012-05-07 04:18:09 PM
New York pizza sucks.

Oh wait, wrong weekly argument?
 
2012-05-07 04:20:00 PM
yay! more alcohol means more long term health problems for the country, which will cost us even more money. We could save america by legalizing weed too
 
2012-05-07 04:22:34 PM

Maud Dib: Yay, beer thread....my obscure craft brewery is superior to yours.


Negative, Ghost Rider

craftcans.com
 
2012-05-07 04:25:38 PM
download.lardlad.com
 
2012-05-07 04:25:54 PM

Communist_Manifesto: I'm going to buy myself a kegerator for my homebrew soon, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Hopefully I'm able to find a good cheap used one, I'm getting sick of hand bottling everything.


I'm sure you're doing your own research, but there are a shiat load of inexpensive cornelius kegs on the market.
 
2012-05-07 04:26:30 PM
Naively written pop-economic bullshiat. NO, there are not important economic lessons garnered from craft brewing that are widely applicable to the rest of the economy. Relatively speaking, it takes virtually no special training or equipment to make a product that's superior (or at least equal) to the macros, and then scale up production to meet demand. Hardly the case in most industries.
 
2012-05-07 04:26:48 PM
 
2012-05-07 04:29:34 PM
FTA: "Philips (introduced) more expensive light bulbs, in hopes that consumers will pay more for illumination that promises to use less electricity and last 20 years."

Well no, it's because the feds have outlawed cheap incandescent bulbs.
 
2012-05-07 04:31:01 PM
In fact, you want a better comparison, craft brewing is like starting a band. There are tons of idiots that brew beer/start bands in their garages, and produce okay stuff. However, only a tiny number of them end up owning known brands/becoming rockstars.
 
2012-05-07 04:33:05 PM

nmathew01: Communist_Manifesto: I'm going to buy myself a kegerator for my homebrew soon, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Hopefully I'm able to find a good cheap used one, I'm getting sick of hand bottling everything.

I'm sure you're doing your own research, but there are a shiat load of inexpensive cornelius kegs on the market.


Amen for that. I'm more hoping for the cheaper refrigerating device. I'm checking craigslist regularly, otherwise I'm probably going to buy a new one.
 
2012-05-07 04:33:53 PM
I dont know if it's going to save America, but hopefully it's about to salvage an otherwise awful Monday.

/half an hour to quittin time!
 
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