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2012-05-07 01:23:59 PM
America approves.

/Bryce Harper is a douche.
 
2012-05-07 01:27:03 PM

PowerSlacker: /Bryce Harper is a douche.


For...playing hard, trying hard, hustling, being a good batter and baserunner?

The crap that people cite as making him a "douche" is old news, and hasn't been an issue in the last six months. He's a freaking 19 year old kid, he's going to have to mature, and he will.
 
2012-05-07 01:29:04 PM

kronicfeld: The crap that people cite as making him a "douche" is old news, and hasn't been an issue in the last six months. He's a freaking 19 year old kid, he's going to have to mature, and he will.


It's ridiculous. Find me a 19-year-old kid who was profiled in Sports Illustrated 4 years ago who isn't a "douche".
 
2012-05-07 01:30:53 PM
And Harper ended up stealing home on a botched pick-off attempt. Oops.
 
2012-05-07 01:31:10 PM

kronicfeld: PowerSlacker: /Bryce Harper is a douche.

For...playing hard, trying hard, hustling, being a good batter and baserunner?

The crap that people cite as making him a "douche" is old news, and hasn't been an issue in the last six months. He's a freaking 19 year old kid, he's going to have to mature, and he will.


There has been no regular-season baseball for five of those six months. That's like saying Sidney Crosby isn't a douche anymore just because he hasn't pulled any of his cheap stunts in the past 10 days. Not that I disagree with your premise, just pointing out a flaw in your argument. Although he is a douche for his haircut and eyeliner crap, so I kind of disagree with your premise.
 
2012-05-07 01:31:29 PM
Back in 2009:

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- Tampa Bay right-hander Matt Garza has been fined an undisclosed amount for hitting New York Yankees slugger Mark Teixeira with a pitch.

Rays executive vice president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman said before Friday night's game against Kansas City that he received an e-mail from Major League Baseball with the penalty.

Garza hit Teixeira in the fifth inning Wednesday night, then said he did it because he's tired of opposing pitchers throwing at Rays All-Star Evan Longoria.

Garza declined to comment before the Rays took batting practice on Friday.

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2009-07-31/garza-fined-for-hitti ng-batter#ixzz1uCqJl1KX
 
2012-05-07 01:31:47 PM

PowerSlacker: America approves.

/Bryce Harper is a douche.


I hate it when Major League Baseball players stop by my charity soft ball game and hang out and take a few swings. What a douche.
 
2012-05-07 01:32:28 PM
Welcome to the Big Leagues, Rook. Here's a fastball to the ass.

Thanks, Cole. I'll think I'll steal home on you.

/That's called baseball. It's been going on for 150 years.
 
2012-05-07 01:32:31 PM

usernameguy: And Harper ended up stealing home on a botched pick-off attempt. Oops.


What was botched about the pick off attempt? He tried to pick off the guy at 1st, he threw to first, first baseman caught it.

Good pick off attempt, bad idea in not looking Harper back to 3rd before he did it though.
 
2012-05-07 01:33:06 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: There has been no regular-season baseball for five of those six months.


Okay, so it's even older. And what did he do on the regular-season baseball field that created the "douche" label? Other than (I think) taunting another player who'd been taunting him, everything people use as evidence of his being a douche is off-field.
 
2012-05-07 01:34:04 PM
I believe that Harper stealing home on Coles' pickoff move to first was a sufficient enough "fark you" in return.

I don't know if Harper's a full-on douche or not but I'm impressed by what I've seen from him on the field so far. Damn, that kid's got an arm.
 
2012-05-07 01:35:17 PM
I can't stand when a 19-year-old buys his mom a house.

Freaking douche.
 
2012-05-07 01:36:23 PM

WTF Indeed: Welcome to the Big Leagues, Rook. Here's a fastball to the ass.

Thanks, Cole. I'll think I'll steal home on you.

/That's called baseball. It's been going on for 150 years.


Big ol' pile of this.
 
2012-05-07 01:36:52 PM
Classy, Hamels is playing for the right team.
 
2012-05-07 01:38:16 PM

robsul82: WTF Indeed: Welcome to the Big Leagues, Rook. Here's a fastball to the ass.

Thanks, Cole. I'll think I'll steal home on you.

/That's called baseball. It's been going on for 150 years.

Big ol' pile of this.


Yup. The only people who have a problem with this are either new to baseball or Nationals fans. But I repeat myself.
 
2012-05-07 01:38:53 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: usernameguy: And Harper ended up stealing home on a botched pick-off attempt. Oops.

What was botched about the pick off attempt? He tried to pick off the guy at 1st, he threw to first, first baseman caught it.

Good pick off attempt, bad idea in not looking Harper back to 3rd before he did it though.


I would call letting another runner advance a botch, but if you want to be technical, you can drop "botched" from my sentence.
 
2012-05-07 01:38:57 PM

Peaceboy: I believe that Harper stealing home on Coles' pickoff move to first was a sufficient enough "fark you" in return.


The Nationals apparently disagreed, because Zimmerman hit Hamels in his next PA. Hamels will probably get suspended for being dumb enough to come out and say he hit Harper on purpose. I wonder if Zimmerman will get a game as well.
 
2012-05-07 01:41:35 PM
There are lot of pussies in this thread that would have hated Bob Gibson/Jim Palmer/Tom Seaver.
 
2012-05-07 01:45:33 PM
Harper is a douche.

But he also plays the game all out. And his douche-ness has basically been so much that it has gone 360 degrees and he may be one of my new favorite players.
 
2012-05-07 01:48:19 PM

PowerSlacker: America approves.

/Bryce Harper is a douche.


If by America you mean a population of only you and a few others then, yes. I for one like the kid and like watching him play ball.
 
2012-05-07 01:49:40 PM
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.

In other words, nobody cares. It doesn't matter if Harper is a douche. If Hamels thought he was crowding the plate and the ump wasn't doing his job fairly, I say brush the kid back a bit. If that doesn't work, let him know why he should think about it more carefully next time up. That is how pitching has always been done, and that is how it ought to be done. But FFS, you don't go public and tell people you did it on purpose, that is just stupid.
 
2012-05-07 01:51:31 PM

kronicfeld: PowerSlacker: /Bryce Harper is a douche.

For...playing hard, trying hard, hustling, being a good batter and baserunner?

The crap that people cite as making him a "douche" is old news, and hasn't been an issue in the last six months. He's a freaking 19 year old kid, he's going to have to mature, and he will.


He's not going to fark you.
 
2012-05-07 01:56:48 PM

NutznGum:
He's not going to fark you.


I'm guess you are a Blue Jays fan... who he will be farking June 11-13.

You guys calling him a douche are just jealous toddlers.
/enjoy the show
 
2012-05-07 01:59:43 PM
Asshole move? From Philadelphia?

I am stunned.
 
2012-05-07 01:59:53 PM
The kid is a douche but why is that such a big deal? There's no congeniality award in baseball. He's a cocky, arrogant puke. Most elite athletes are.
 
2012-05-07 02:01:03 PM

you have pee hands: Peaceboy: I believe that Harper stealing home on Coles' pickoff move to first was a sufficient enough "fark you" in return.

The Nationals apparently disagreed, because Zimmerman hit Hamels in his next PA. Hamels will probably get suspended for being dumb enough to come out and say he hit Harper on purpose. I wonder if Zimmerman will get a game as well.


They'll probably both get 3-game suspensions.
 
2012-05-07 02:03:10 PM

usernameguy: And Harper ended up stealing home on a botched pick-off attempt. Oops.


Don't think it was 'botched' as much as it was 'lazy'. And Hamels, being a lefty, has to turn a lot more towards first to make that pickoff throw... and Bryce Harper was paying attention and took advantage of Hamels. Good for him.
 
2012-05-07 02:04:49 PM

TheRealist: NutznGum:
He's not going to fark you.

I'm guess you are a Blue Jays fan... who he will be farking June 11-13.

You guys calling him a douche are just jealous toddlers.
/enjoy the show


I am a Jays fan - the team is the island of misfit toys, Colby Rasmus, Yunel Escobar...and we have Brett Lawrie, he's a kid too and has the cocky and arrogant label. I don't care. I only care about how they play.

If Harper wants to blow kisses at the pitcher while he makes his home run trot, feel free but expect to get hit. And he does -he didn't moan about Hamels hitting him.

Its got nothing to do with jealously. Its a fact that he's a douche. And I would trade everyone on the Jays twice to get him.
 
2012-05-07 02:05:05 PM

just_intonation: And Hamels, being a lefty, has to turn a lot more towards first to make that pickoff throw


What now?
 
2012-05-07 02:06:10 PM
It's Zimmermann. Zimmerman's on the DL and will be back tomorrow. Zimmermann probably won't get a fine or a suspension because he's not stupid enough to say he did it on purpose. Not sure why Hamels felt the need to come out and say that other than to make a big deal out of something that happens in baseball all the time. I suppose he's just sad the Phillies aren't getting all the attention in the NL east anymore.
 
2012-05-07 02:08:29 PM

kronicfeld: Other than (I think) taunting another player who'd been taunting him, everything people use as evidence of his being a douche is off-field.


Well... Yeah. That's normally how it works. Off-field antics colour popular perceptions and earn players the douche appellation. Not that I think Harper's earned that label yet, but it's kind of hard to play ball like a douche. Swisher and Lackey and some others pull it off, but they're special cases.

The kid's got a cannon for an arm, a great bat, great speed, very good basepath skills and sensibility, and he's theoretically only up in the majors because Ryan Zimmerman got hurt and freed a spot. He's trying to earn a permanent place on the roster, and building a damn fine case for himself. Hell, the kid batted .343 (and slugged .729) in the AFL with undiagnosed vision problems. He's a Mormon, but that's not so bad, as long as he mostly keeps schtum about it.

you have pee hands: I wonder if Zimmerman will get a game as well.

I shouldn't think so, unless he also admits to hitting Hamels on purpose-- I mean, 1) giving the pitcher a base doesn't really make sense, 2) Hamels hadn't admitted to hitting Harper yet, and 3) retaliatory beanings normally go to the equivalent player, not the pitcher-- otherwise, no pitcher would be safe. If the two get equal suspensions, it will be a silly miscarriage of justice. So, it could well happen: retaliation by beaning has become a moribund art, and the league have got far too stern about it.

Now, if Harper had weakly bunted up the first-base line to pull Hamels off the mound and then knocked him onto his arse on the way to taking the bag, that would have been right and proper. But-- alas-- the game isn't played that way any more.
 
2012-05-07 02:09:27 PM

bacongood: Harper is a douche.

But he also plays the game all out. And his douche-ness has basically been so much that it has gone 360 degrees and he may be one of my new favorite players.


So right back to being a douche?
 
2012-05-07 02:12:34 PM

xpisblack: I shouldn't think so, unless he also admits to hitting Hamels on purpose-- I mean, 1) giving the pitcher a base doesn't really make sense, 2) Hamels hadn't admitted to hitting Harper yet, and 3) retaliatory beanings normally go to the equivalent player, not the pitcher-- otherwise, no pitcher would be safe. If the two get equal suspensions, it will be a silly miscarriage of justice. So, it could well happen: retaliation by beaning has become a moribund art, and the league have got far too stern about it.


Well, who else is Zimmermann going to hit in retaliation? Right now Hamels is the Phillies best player. Chooch is playing great and Underpants is heating up but neither of them are going to care about taking a pitch and it's not going to send a message. Aside from them, who's a target? Galvis? Polanco?
 
2012-05-07 02:15:01 PM

WTF Indeed: Welcome to the Big Leagues, Rook. Here's a fastball to the ass.

Thanks, Cole. I'll think I'll steal home on you.

/That's called baseball. It's been going on for 150 years.


I find it funny that when a pitcher intentionally throws a hard object at nearly 100mph at a player to "teach him respect" we call it part of of the game, but if Harper stalked out to the ptichers mound with a bat in hand to return the favor we'd all be horrified and upset. Intentional assault isn't part of any sport and the pitcher is a coward for doing it because he knows the batter can't retaliate.
 
2012-05-07 02:15:58 PM

xpisblack: Now, if Harper had weakly bunted up the first-base line to pull Hamels off the mound and then knocked him onto his arse on the way to taking the bag, that would have been right and proper. But-- alas-- the game isn't played that way any more.


He tried. Kind of a poor bunt.
 
2012-05-07 02:20:06 PM

violentsalvation: Classy, Hamels is playing for the right team.


There is nothing wrong with a pitcher hitting a guy as a message as long as he doesn't aim for the head or knees. A baseball thrown at the speeds MLB guys throw is only going to sting and leave a bruise in most places it can impact on the body.
 
2012-05-07 02:20:40 PM

Magorn: I find it funny that when a pitcher intentionally throws a hard object at nearly 100mph at a player to "teach him respect" we call it part of of the game


If he doesn't throw at his head, it's all good. It's been a part of the game since its inception and there's no reason (or way) to take it out just because some baseball newbies don't understand it.

but if Harper stalked out to the ptichers mound with a bat in hand to return the favor we'd all be horrified and upset.

You can do much, much more damage swinging a bat at someone than you can do with a baseball to the torso.

Intentional assault isn't part of any sport

LOLWUT. New to sports, are we?

and the pitcher is a coward for doing it because he knows the batter can't retaliate.

Harper later scored a run by stealing home. Looks like he retaliated just fine.
 
2012-05-07 02:21:34 PM

kronicfeld: The crap that people cite as making him a "douche" is old news, and hasn't been an issue in the last six months. He's a freaking 19 year old kid, he's going to have to mature, and he will.


I imagine he will mature...but him knocking his own helmet off last week was pretty douchy.
 
2012-05-07 02:21:37 PM

WTF Indeed: There are lot of pussies in this thread that would have hated Bob Gibson/Jim Palmer/Tom Seaver.


As was pointed out on another website, those guys wouldn't have brought it up in the press. If Hamels feels it's his duty to be "old school," then he should do his job and keep his mouth shut.. you know, the same message he's trying to send to Harper.
 
2012-05-07 02:25:34 PM
It would've been great, except for the whole stealing home thing, which turned "Welcome to the Bigs, kid" into "How you like them apples?".
 
2012-05-07 02:30:29 PM

Magorn: WTF Indeed: Welcome to the Big Leagues, Rook. Here's a fastball to the ass.

Thanks, Cole. I'll think I'll steal home on you.

/That's called baseball. It's been going on for 150 years.

I find it funny that when a pitcher intentionally throws a hard object at nearly 100mph at a player to "teach him respect" we call it part of of the game, but if Harper stalked out to the ptichers mound with a bat in hand to return the favor we'd all be horrified and upset. Intentional assault isn't part of any sport and the pitcher is a coward for doing it because he knows the batter can't retaliate.


They call it "hardball" for a reason, you know.
 
2012-05-07 02:30:58 PM

Uncle Pooky: WTF Indeed: There are lot of pussies in this thread that would have hated Bob Gibson/Jim Palmer/Tom Seaver.

As was pointed out on another website, those guys wouldn't have brought it up in the press. If Hamels feels it's his duty to be "old school," then he should do his job and keep his mouth shut.. you know, the same message he's trying to send to Harper.


Nobody in the media would have asked those pitchers if they threw at a specific player, either, because they didn't have to. This is just another lesson to never answer a media question directly and honesty because people will hate you for the truth.
 
2012-05-07 02:31:02 PM
Oh yes those Nats really showed him when that was the only run they could muster in 8 innings against him.
 
2012-05-07 02:31:25 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: robsul82: WTF Indeed: Welcome to the Big Leagues, Rook. Here's a fastball to the ass.

Thanks, Cole. I'll think I'll steal home on you.

/That's called baseball. It's been going on for 150 years.

Big ol' pile of this.

Yup. The only people who have a problem with this are either new to baseball or Nationals fans. But I repeat myself.


Only to make an ass out of yourself. Bryce stole home, which made this not very new to baseball Nats fan think things are pretty much even.
 
2012-05-07 02:33:07 PM

Farkin A: Oh yes those Nats really showed him when that was the only run they could muster in 8 innings against him.


I think there's an outside chance you may have missed the point here.

Maybe.
 
2012-05-07 02:35:37 PM

usernameguy: And Harper ended up stealing home on a botched pick-off attempt. Oops.


was that before or after the Phillies won 9-3?

Bryce, get a hairstyle. You literally look like a donkey with that mohawk mess.
 
2012-05-07 02:35:41 PM

Magorn: I find it funny that when a pitcher intentionally throws a hard object at nearly 100mph at a player to "teach him respect" we call it part of of the game, but if Harper stalked out to the ptichers mound with a bat in hand to return the favor we'd all be horrified and upset. Intentional assault isn't part of any sport and the pitcher is a coward for doing it because he knows the batter can't retaliate.


That's nice. Go watch Tennis.
 
2012-05-07 02:36:30 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Uncle Pooky: WTF Indeed: There are lot of pussies in this thread that would have hated Bob Gibson/Jim Palmer/Tom Seaver.

As was pointed out on another website, those guys wouldn't have brought it up in the press. If Hamels feels it's his duty to be "old school," then he should do his job and keep his mouth shut.. you know, the same message he's trying to send to Harper.

Nobody in the media would have asked those pitchers if they threw at a specific player, either, because they didn't have to. This is just another lesson to never answer a media question directly and honesty because people will hate you for the truth.


That's all well and good, but doesn't change the fact that "Bob Gibson/Jim Palmer/Tom Seaver/Cole Hamels"... one of these things is not like the others.
 
2012-05-07 02:36:44 PM
I'm just a casual baseball fan, but isn't this sort of thing common? "Your home-run trot took too long for my liking, so I'm gonna give you a two-seam tattoo on your ass." "Your pitcher hit our clean-up hitter, so I'm gonna hit yours." Stuff like that?

Or is it the honesty part that's surprising?
 
2012-05-07 02:37:42 PM

Farkin A: Oh yes those Nats really showed him when that was the only run they could muster in 8 innings against him.


Two out of three on a homestand against the team that has dominated your division for the past four five years ain't bad. No team wins em all, and considering the absolute crapfest my Nats have put on the field for that same time frame, I think we are showing some improvement. I worry about our starting pitching staying healthy, and I'd a bit more offense, but already these guys are doing way better than I had hoped they would.

What scares me more is that the team of my youth is in first place in the AL East. I am pretty sure that is a sign of an upcoming Apocalypse.
 
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