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(Washington Post)   After a year of right-wing obstructionism and trans-vaginal nonsense, Virginia's Republican governor is surprised to learn that independent voters don't like him as much as they once did   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 64
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2012-05-07 01:50:02 PM
HAHA

/Vote Republican
 
2012-05-07 01:51:44 PM
UWIV.
 
2012-05-07 01:53:11 PM
To be fair, he is not a big fan of independent voters anyway.
 
2012-05-07 01:53:49 PM
And yet I still have right wingers who claim that the trans-vaginal wasn't never proposed.
 
2012-05-07 01:54:15 PM
"Trans-Vaginal Nonsense" will make a fine band name.
 
2012-05-07 01:55:20 PM
Viginia is for Vaginas
 
2012-05-07 01:55:27 PM

MCStymie: "Trans-Vaginal Nonsense" will make a fine band name.


Or Fark login
 
2012-05-07 01:56:02 PM
His approval ratings still dwarf the congress as a whole (or hole).
 
2012-05-07 01:56:36 PM
Looking forward to The Tran-Vaginal Orchestra playing at this years GOP convention.
 
2012-05-07 01:56:52 PM
He should launch a probe into this! There can be no womb for error in his quest to be VP.

/queef
 
2012-05-07 01:57:24 PM
He'll blame everyone else for being so focused on abortion.
 
2012-05-07 01:58:03 PM
Repubs' tactics of alienating women along with other far-right derp over the past couple of years is making them less liked than before, overall, so say goodbye to a lot of independent voters. And if the base isn't excited enough about Mitt to get off their couches on election day that could cost them more than just the presidential election as we'd say goodbye to a few GOP congressional incumbents, too.
 
2012-05-07 01:59:43 PM
FTFA: "The approval rating for McDonnell (R) dropped six points over the past year, from 62 percent to 56 percent. Thirty-five percent disapprove of the job he is doing - a nine-point increase from a year ago."

Unfortunately, it appears he has merely gone from "wildly popular" to just merely "popular." Which means there are still too many people who enjoy vaginal ultrasounds for my taste who live in VA.
 
2012-05-07 02:00:14 PM
The interesting thing in VA is how things have changed on perception. I live in northern va (Prince William County). Every year we have a little podunk parade, the normal thing where the firefighters and police and local businesses get to drive slowly down a street and wave. We are enough of a swing area that we normally get most of the candidates coming out to it as well. Back in 2008-2009 the crowd was cheering anytime the republicans came up, running up to shake their hands, etc. In 2010 it seemed very apathetic. Last year it was openly hostile to the Republicans. I was sitting next to some veterans who refused to shake the hand of one of the far right wing politicians who wanted a photo op with them, and the crowd itself was almost silent when the local RNC chapter came through.

Granted this is just one experience in a small part of the state, but the number of folks in the area who have switched from Republican to Independent I think it will be much harder for them to keep going at the rate they have been. I mean still a big chunk of the state is Easter Tennessee, but quite a bit of the northern side of the state while maybe not moving blue is certainly moving away from red.
 
2012-05-07 02:01:33 PM

monoski: His approval ratings still dwarf the congress as a whole (or hole).


Congressional approval rating doesn't mean jack unless it's real high. The question itself is is loaded because it asks you to give a favoritability rating of an entire group of 538 people 535 of which you literally cannot vote for.
 
2012-05-07 02:01:52 PM
Sounds like Obama voters in November...
 
2012-05-07 02:02:26 PM
FTA: "McDonnell had the legislation amended to instead require an external procedure,"

Um...first of all, you still have to have the ultrasound whether you want it or not. And second, I'm not a doctor but I do have a child and I'm pretty sure an external ultrasound wasn't an option early on in my pregnancy because of the small size of the fetus. So once again proving that people with no medical experience are making medical decisions for the rest of us. For some bizarre reason, this makes me feel uncomfortable.
 
2012-05-07 02:04:21 PM

Guidette Frankentits: Congressional approval rating doesn't mean jack unless it's real high. The question itself is is loaded because it asks you to give a favoritability rating of an entire group of 538 people 535 of which you literally cannot vote for.



This.

Now derp accordingly.
 
2012-05-07 02:04:41 PM

Wadded Beef: Repubs' tactics of alienating women along with other far-right derp over the past couple of years is making them less liked than before, overall, so say goodbye to a lot of independent voters. And if the base isn't excited enough about Mitt to get off their couches on election day that could cost them more than just the presidential election as we'd say goodbye to a few GOP congressional incumbents, too.


Then the only GOPers left will be those from the most extreme districts, and so the general GOP establishment will be that in order to get elected they must go even more extreme to match those districts, and some of those people will get elected in 2014 just by random luck, thereby declaring that going more extreme is successful, etc etc etc until the sets of GOP and KKK members are equivalent
 
2012-05-07 02:04:51 PM

xilet: Granted this is just one experience in a small part of the state, but the number of folks in the area who have switched from Republican to Independent I think it will be much harder for them to keep going at the rate they have been. I mean still a big chunk of the state is Easter Tennessee, but quite a bit of the northern side of the state while maybe not moving blue is certainly moving away from red.


I wonder if this switch is symbolic or something real. I'm not sure going Independant means they will vote for a Democrat. The big question is if they'll stay home and vote by not voting.
 
2012-05-07 02:05:27 PM

killershark: Um...first of all, you still have to have the ultrasound whether you want it or not.


This is true in order for your insurance to cover an abortion, there needs to be proof of pregnancy. How do they get that? Abdominal ultrasound. B-HCG levels are not enough.
 
2012-05-07 02:09:45 PM
Bag of Hammers Looking forward to The Tran-Vaginal Orchestra playing at this years GOP convention.

Ooooohhhhh. I can carry a tune with my vajayjay. I guess it's time to practice those old patriotic songs....


/She's a grand old flag
 
2012-05-07 02:12:27 PM

Guidette Frankentits: killershark: Um...first of all, you still have to have the ultrasound whether you want it or not.

This is true in order for your insurance to cover an abortion, there needs to be proof of pregnancy. How do they get that? Abdominal ultrasound. B-HCG levels are not enough.


Did not know this. So what if you don't have insurance or have to pay out of pocket because your insurance won't cover? And is this something that states require as well or just insurance companies? Still seems like the government getting in the way of a medical decision between you and your doctor if it's required by the state.
 
2012-05-07 02:17:24 PM
killershark

Guidette Frankentits: killershark: Um...first of all, you still have to have the ultrasound whether you want it or not.

This is true in order for your insurance to cover an abortion, there needs to be proof of pregnancy. How do they get that? Abdominal ultrasound. B-HCG levels are not enough.

Did not know this. So what if you don't have insurance or have to pay out of pocket because your insurance won't cover? And is this something that states require as well or just insurance companies? Still seems like the government getting in the way of a medical decision between you and your doctor if it's required by the state.



Then the government should mandate it......by law!
 
2012-05-07 02:25:07 PM

gilatrout: xilet: Granted this is just one experience in a small part of the state, but the number of folks in the area who have switched from Republican to Independent I think it will be much harder for them to keep going at the rate they have been. I mean still a big chunk of the state is Easter Tennessee, but quite a bit of the northern side of the state while maybe not moving blue is certainly moving away from red.

I wonder if this switch is symbolic or something real. I'm not sure going Independant means they will vote for a Democrat. The big question is if they'll stay home and vote by not voting.


My guess is at least in the northern part of the state you will see a fairly large turnout for the Democrat this year, purely as an opposition vote against Mcdonnell. I don't think this will be a long standing gain for the democrats but it could be a real loss for republicans over the long term as more people become even more disgusted with the process.
 
2012-05-07 02:25:57 PM

OceanVortex: FTFA: "The approval rating for McDonnell (R) dropped six points over the past year, from 62 percent to 56 percent. Thirty-five percent disapprove of the job he is doing - a nine-point increase from a year ago."

Unfortunately, it appears he has merely gone from "wildly popular" to just merely "popular." Which means there are still too many people who enjoy vaginal ultrasounds for my taste who live in VA.


Agreed. His popularity among thinking people who pay attention may have dropped off a ton, but that's not nearly enough to offset the majority.
 
2012-05-07 02:26:56 PM

karnal: killershark

Guidette Frankentits: killershark: Um...first of all, you still have to have the ultrasound whether you want it or not.

This is true in order for your insurance to cover an abortion, there needs to be proof of pregnancy. How do they get that? Abdominal ultrasound. B-HCG levels are not enough.

Did not know this. So what if you don't have insurance or have to pay out of pocket because your insurance won't cover? And is this something that states require as well or just insurance companies? Still seems like the government getting in the way of a medical decision between you and your doctor if it's required by the state.


Then the government should mandate it......by law!


That would be fine if it weren't for the law requiring the doctor to show and describe the fetus about to be aborted.
 
2012-05-07 02:27:03 PM

xilet: The interesting thing in VA is how things have changed on perception. I live in northern va (Prince William County). Every year we have a little podunk parade, the normal thing where the firefighters and police and local businesses get to drive slowly down a street and wave. We are enough of a swing area that we normally get most of the candidates coming out to it as well. Back in 2008-2009 the crowd was cheering anytime the republicans came up, running up to shake their hands, etc. In 2010 it seemed very apathetic. Last year it was openly hostile to the Republicans. I was sitting next to some veterans who refused to shake the hand of one of the far right wing politicians who wanted a photo op with them, and the crowd itself was almost silent when the local RNC chapter came through.

Granted this is just one experience in a small part of the state, but the number of folks in the area who have switched from Republican to Independent I think it will be much harder for them to keep going at the rate they have been. I mean still a big chunk of the state is Easter Tennessee, but quite a bit of the northern side of the state while maybe not moving blue is certainly moving away from red.


You pretty much live in the most conservative portion of the NoVa area.The rest in the Fairfax, Arlington or Alexandria areas are very blue and get rather emotional as a group. It also helps that the government workers are all so huddled close together in that little cluster of an area. Then down in Richmond, where I lived for 6 years, it was pretty not unlike a roller coaster. There seemed to be a new cause every week and it was pretty much divided down the center. The people who lived in the suburbs or fringe of the city were very conservative, pretty red. Everyone who lived in the city proper, or in the Fan or downtown were damn librul. Basically if you looked at a VA map I think the area boarding DC would be blue and gradate through purple and red. Then you have this glorious little shock of a blue island and then it goes red towards Appalachia, Hampton Roads and whatever it is that's between RVA and North Carolina.
 
2012-05-07 02:28:10 PM

Bag of Hammers: Guidette Frankentits: Congressional approval rating doesn't mean jack unless it's real high. The question itself is is loaded because it asks you to give a favoritability rating of an entire group of 538 people 535 of which you literally cannot vote for.


This.

Now derp accordingly.


This2. I hate the "congressional approval rating" survey so much. Anyone;s opinion of "congress " a s a whole is irrelevant. Even an opinion on any specific congressperson is irrelevant if it's not one of the ones you can vote for.
 
2012-05-07 02:32:34 PM

killershark: Did not know this. So what if you don't have insurance or have to pay out of pocket because your insurance won't cover? And is this something that states require as well or just insurance companies? Still seems like the government getting in the way of a medical decision between you and your doctor if it's required by the state.


IANAD but I do believe you need the ultrasound to confirm pregnancy regardless of insurance status if and when you're going to have an abortion. The problem with these laws is that they force the doctor to show the woman and/or (depending on your state) describe the features, make them listen to the heart beat on doppler, paint the nursery and wait 3 days while calling her a whore, force the doc to use a transvaginal probe etc....Whereas normally, the doc just looks to confirm there is a pregnancy and doesn't show the woman the monitor.
 
2012-05-07 02:33:52 PM

KatjaMouse: xilet: The interesting thing in VA is how things have changed on perception. I live in northern va (Prince William County). Every year we have a little podunk parade, the normal thing where the firefighters and police and local businesses get to drive slowly down a street and wave. We are enough of a swing area that we normally get most of the candidates coming out to it as well. Back in 2008-2009 the crowd was cheering anytime the republicans came up, running up to shake their hands, etc. In 2010 it seemed very apathetic. Last year it was openly hostile to the Republicans. I was sitting next to some veterans who refused to shake the hand of one of the far right wing politicians who wanted a photo op with them, and the crowd itself was almost silent when the local RNC chapter came through.

Granted this is just one experience in a small part of the state, but the number of folks in the area who have switched from Republican to Independent I think it will be much harder for them to keep going at the rate they have been. I mean still a big chunk of the state is Easter Tennessee, but quite a bit of the northern side of the state while maybe not moving blue is certainly moving away from red.

You pretty much live in the most conservative portion of the NoVa area.The rest in the Fairfax, Arlington or Alexandria areas are very blue and get rather emotional as a group. It also helps that the government workers are all so huddled close together in that little cluster of an area. Then down in Richmond, where I lived for 6 years, it was pretty not unlike a roller coaster. There seemed to be a new cause every week and it was pretty much divided down the center. The people who lived in the suburbs or fringe of the city were very conservative, pretty red. Everyone who lived in the city proper, or in the Fan or downtown were damn librul. Basically if you looked at a VA map I think the area boarding DC would be blue and gradate through purple and red. Then you have this glorious l ...


That is a damn good way to describe the area. PWC is purple because you still have more liberal gov workers, but also a lot of immigrants and lower income folks in the area who are mixed between social conservatives, and quite a few good ol boys while still having quite a few liberal NoVA types living here due to it being affordable.

The western part of the county on the other hand, is a lot of 'screw you, I got mine' WASPs.
 
2012-05-07 02:36:53 PM

xilet: That is a damn good way to describe the area. PWC is purple because you still have more liberal gov workers, but also a lot of immigrants and lower income folks in the area who are mixed between social conservatives, and quite a few good ol boys while still having quite a few liberal NoVA types living here due to it being affordable.


I also drive out there once in a while because my BF volunteers at one of the station. I remember back in 2008 there was one ginormous banner that would greet me every time I exited announcing that I was in McCAIN PALIN COUNTRY.
 
2012-05-07 02:37:20 PM

karnal: Then the government should mandate it......by law!


Spoken like a true democrat.
 
2012-05-07 02:39:09 PM

monoski: His approval ratings still dwarf the congress as a whole (or hole).


To be fair, the approval rating of broccoli dwarf that of the congress as a whole.
 
2012-05-07 02:49:48 PM

Guidette Frankentits: MCStymie: "Trans-Vaginal Nonsense" will make a fine band name.

Or Fark login


Or euphemism for a penis.
 
2012-05-07 02:58:09 PM

Arkanaut: Guidette Frankentits: MCStymie: "Trans-Vaginal Nonsense" will make a fine band name.

Or Fark login

Or euphemism for a penis.


It's what the kids are calling sex these days.
 
2012-05-07 02:58:15 PM

SisterMaryElephant: Bag of Hammers Looking forward to The Tran-Vaginal Orchestra playing at this years GOP convention.

Ooooohhhhh. I can carry a tune with my vajayjay. I guess it's time to practice those old patriotic songs....


/She's a grand old flag


/new keyboard + screen please!
 
2012-05-07 03:23:52 PM

xilet: KatjaMouse: xilet: The interesting thing in VA is how things have changed on perception. I live in northern va (Prince William County). Every year we have a little podunk parade, the normal thing where the firefighters and police and local businesses get to drive slowly down a street and wave. We are enough of a swing area that we normally get most of the candidates coming out to it as well. Back in 2008-2009 the crowd was cheering anytime the republicans came up, running up to shake their hands, etc. In 2010 it seemed very apathetic. Last year it was openly hostile to the Republicans. I was sitting next to some veterans who refused to shake the hand of one of the far right wing politicians who wanted a photo op with them, and the crowd itself was almost silent when the local RNC chapter came through.

Granted this is just one experience in a small part of the state, but the number of folks in the area who have switched from Republican to Independent I think it will be much harder for them to keep going at the rate they have been. I mean still a big chunk of the state is Easter Tennessee, but quite a bit of the northern side of the state while maybe not moving blue is certainly moving away from red.

You pretty much live in the most conservative portion of the NoVa area.The rest in the Fairfax, Arlington or Alexandria areas are very blue and get rather emotional as a group. It also helps that the government workers are all so huddled close together in that little cluster of an area. Then down in Richmond, where I lived for 6 years, it was pretty not unlike a roller coaster. There seemed to be a new cause every week and it was pretty much divided down the center. The people who lived in the suburbs or fringe of the city were very conservative, pretty red. Everyone who lived in the city proper, or in the Fan or downtown were damn librul. Basically if you looked at a VA map I think the area boarding DC would be blue and gradate through purple and red. Then you have this glorious l ...

That is a damn good way to describe the area. PWC is purple because you still have more liberal gov workers, but also a lot of immigrants and lower income folks in the area who are mixed between social conservatives, and quite a few good ol boys while still having quite a few liberal NoVA types living here due to it being affordable.

The western part of the county on the other hand, is a lot of 'screw you, I got mine' WASPs.


The Shenandoah valley is blue cities inside of red counties, but the momentum is very clearly going in the direction of blue.
 
2012-05-07 03:34:41 PM

the biggest redneck here: The Shenandoah valley is blue cities inside of red counties, but the momentum is very clearly going in the direction of blue.


I think what this state needs are a few boomers to keel over or a few more local church scandals and we'll be pretty blue from here on out.
 
2012-05-07 03:55:33 PM

BSABSVR: Bag of Hammers: Guidette Frankentits: Congressional approval rating doesn't mean jack unless it's real high. The question itself is is loaded because it asks you to give a favoritability rating of an entire group of 538 people 535 of which you literally cannot vote for.


This.

Now derp accordingly.

This2. I hate the "congressional approval rating" survey so much. Anyone;s opinion of "congress " a s a whole is irrelevant. Even an opinion on any specific congressperson is irrelevant if it's not one of the ones you can vote for.



This is only partially true. I don't really support the GOP leadership, and I would be unhappy if someone like McConnell were suddenly in charge of the senate. I can't vote for/against McConnell, so I wrote my senator and explained that a vote for her would be a vote for McConnell, and that the only way I could prevent him, or someone like him, from becoming the majority leader was to vote against her. If she left the party I would consider voting for her.
 
2012-05-07 03:57:32 PM

KatjaMouse: the biggest redneck here: The Shenandoah valley is blue cities inside of red counties, but the momentum is very clearly going in the direction of blue.

I think what this state needs are a few boomers to keel over or a few more local church scandals and we'll be pretty blue from here on out.


There are parts of the state (I live near Lynchburg) that will always be RED, but I they growing areas of the state are getting more blue, but never count out redistricting, look at Charlottesville, a blue speck in a district that runs from the NC border to with in a couple miles of the Maryland border in order for Hurt (or another Republican) to hold on to it.
 
2012-05-07 04:38:03 PM

soaboutthat: KatjaMouse: the biggest redneck here: The Shenandoah valley is blue cities inside of red counties, but the momentum is very clearly going in the direction of blue.

I think what this state needs are a few boomers to keel over or a few more local church scandals and we'll be pretty blue from here on out.

There are parts of the state (I live near Lynchburg) that will always be RED, but I they growing areas of the state are getting more blue, but never count out redistricting, look at Charlottesville, a blue speck in a district that runs from the NC border to with in a couple miles of the Maryland border in order for Hurt (or another Republican) to hold on to it.


Yeah, a lot of the state's going to remain red (Northern neck/Tappahannock and those podunk towns), but there is definitely a trend towards the blue happening overall. I've noticed here in Richmond that a lot of the yards that had McCain Palin "Country First" signs in 2008 have a lot more Obama/Biden 2012 banners now. And NoVA is much more blue than Richmond.

/Planning on moving to Herndon soon...
 
2012-05-07 04:43:38 PM

Wadded Beef: Repubs' tactics of alienating women along with other far-right derp over the past couple of years is making them less liked than before, overall, so say goodbye to a lot of independent voters. And if the base isn't excited enough about Mitt to get off their couches on election day that could cost them more than just the presidential election as we'd say goodbye to a few GOP congressional incumbents, too.


That's OK, since the democrats have gotten a lot more conservative anyway. Only the snake-handling social conservatives, the racists, the very stupid, and the greedy hyper-conservatives who want to abolish child labor laws, etc. will never see it that way. With conservative democrats like Barack Obama and Andrew Cuomo, the 1%'s rights should be well protected.
 
2012-05-07 04:45:08 PM

dervish16108: With conservative democrats like Barack Obama and Andrew Cuomo, the 1%'s rights should be well protected.


Sad to say it's true, and at the same time far more preferable than the likes of Scott Walker and Rick Scott.
 
2012-05-07 04:57:03 PM

fracto73:

This is only partially true. I don't really support the GOP leadership, and I would be unhappy if someone like McConnell were suddenly in charge of the senate. I can't vote for/against McConnell, so I wrote my senator and explained that a vote for her would be a vote for McConnell, and that the only way I could prevent him, or someone like him, from becoming the majority leader was to vote against her. If she left the party I would consider voting for her.


I'd say if you're the majority leader or Speaker then the approval rating might matter to you. If the approval rating is high then it makes it difficult to 1) oust you from the position of being speaker/majority leader and 2) you can't really become a target for defeat in your home state. That almost happened with Harry Reid but that wasn't approval rating dependent.
 
2012-05-07 05:05:58 PM

Wadded Beef: Repubs' tactics of alienating women along with other far-right derp over the past couple of years is making them less liked than before, overall, so say goodbye to a lot of independent voters. And if the base isn't excited enough about Mitt to get off their couches on election day that could cost them more than just the presidential election as we'd say goodbye to a few GOP congressional incumbents, too.


The GOP blew their load with the anti-women stance. They believe they have the caucus big enough to overtake the lack of women voters but they don't. Independents, as you pointed out, don't go for extreme shiat like that.

But we won't see the massive backlash the likes of which will blow peoples' minds unfortunately. Any democrat victory will come directly from backlash that overwhelms the two voter-suppression tactics employed by the GOP: Voter ID laws and redistricting.

The tea party's job was to get people at the state-level elected so they could control redistricting. That is why we haven't heard from them since Nov 2010.
 
2012-05-07 05:34:16 PM

Guidette Frankentits: monoski: His approval ratings still dwarf the congress as a whole (or hole).

Congressional approval rating doesn't mean jack unless it's real high. The question itself is is loaded because it asks you to give a favoritability rating of an entire group of 538 people 535 of which you literally cannot vote for.


I always thought that congressional approval ratings would be a lot more meaningful if they aggregated the approval of individual members from the people they represent. But that would take too much work.
 
2012-05-07 05:38:31 PM

Guidette Frankentits: monoski: His approval ratings still dwarf the congress as a whole (or hole).

Congressional approval rating doesn't mean jack unless it's real high. The question itself is is loaded because it asks you to give a favoritability rating of an entire group of 538 people 535 of which you literally cannot vote for.


Also, usually the approval is uniformly low because voters hate the congresspeople on the other side for being on the other side, while hating the ones on their own side for not being effective enough at thwarting the other side.

/Also, I think you meant 535 / 532. The extra 3 electoral votes come from DC...
 
2012-05-07 05:48:04 PM
McDonnell has pretty much screwed the pooch with non-menopausal women voters at this point. And Rachel Maddow has him in her crosshairs. He can't say or do anything without her giving an immediate update on "Governor Ultrasound's" activities that same evening on her show. She has explicitly called him out for campaigning to become Romney's running mate, to the point where he just looks silly when he tries to deny it.
 
2012-05-07 05:50:40 PM

Fark Me To Tears: McDonnell has pretty much screwed the pooch with non-menopausal women voters at this point. And Rachel Maddow has him in her crosshairs. He can't say or do anything without her giving an immediate update on "Governor Ultrasound's" activities that same evening on her show. She has explicitly called him out for campaigning to become Romney's running mate, to the point where he just looks silly when he tries to deny it.


Though McDonnell as VP would be a pretty deft maneuver on Romney's part. McDonnell seems to have the conservative credibility, and is a popular incumbent in a swing state that went for Obama in 2008.
 
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