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2012-05-07 01:39:12 PM  

Bmore O's: Why do right wingers fail on the meaning of the first amendment?


really? you think that's only a right wing problem? Do you remember the Dixie Chicks??
 
2012-05-07 01:40:13 PM  

Bmore O's: Why do right wingers fail on the meaning of the first amendment?

This from a post on facebook:

"We still have freedom of speech, but only if we're being politically correct."

The first amendment prevent "taxbongo" from throwing you in jail for calling him "taxbongo." It does not protect you against social and economic repercussions.


They honestly care more about the 2nd Amendment.
 
2012-05-07 01:40:51 PM  
Pass it? I don't even think I can swallow it!
 
2012-05-07 01:41:01 PM  

karnal: Being Canadian is nothing to be embarrassed about!


Bryan Adams
 
2012-05-07 01:41:02 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus

karnal: No, wait - don't tell me....I know this one.

Come on now. We all know he isn't a citizen



I am sure he is a citizen......of somewhere.
 
2012-05-07 01:41:37 PM  

ontariolightning: Ask an American who the President of Canada is... tis embarrassing


you guys have a president now? won't the queen be mad?
 
2012-05-07 01:44:51 PM  
Ask a presidential candidate to name some foreign presidents and you get some funny answers, Herman Cain.
 
2012-05-07 01:45:09 PM  

Lost Thought 00: In fairness, immigrants study for the test. Give citizens time and motivation to study and they would pass with equal numbers.


I'll bet you're a blast a parties.
 
2012-05-07 01:45:12 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus SmartestFunniest 2012-05-07 01:41:01 PM


karnal: Being Canadian is nothing to be embarrassed about!

Bryan Adams



Dude....that cuts....like a knife.
 
2012-05-07 01:46:10 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: really? you think that's only a right wing problem? Do you remember the Dixie Chicks??


And here's where I invite you to get in a tit-for-tat back and forth on this. You bring up examples of libs being stupid and whining when there are social or economic repercussions for their statements and I'll bring up examples of right-wingers being stupid and whining.

I could whip you in that game using nothing but breitbart.com as a source. Hell, I'd probably win if I only used articles on breitbart.com since the first of the year.

No, being a whiny, butthurt sniveling little biatch about everything isn't the exclusive domain of the right, but they've got a pretty solid lock on about 98% of it.
 
2012-05-07 01:46:24 PM  
It isn't enough to test immigrants.

You should start expelling native born Americans who flunk out on their American Civics.

Otherwise you are just, as Kryten's Number Two Head reasons in the "Tikki to Ride" episode of Red Dwarf, just picking on the immigrants. (Try to forget that Kryten's Number Two Head was trying to figure out whether it was OK to eat people and that his morality chip had been disabled. By the way, a giant turkey leg really does look a lot like a human shoulder blade. Just observin'.)

Two New Rules though:

One, you do not expel them to Canada. We don't want your second class Americans, we've got plenty already, and as our second stage immigrants have amply proven, it's too easy for them to sneak back into the country.

Two, you do an honest job of expelling the undesirables justly and without prejudice. No sending all the African Americans back to Africa. You tried that already in Liberia and it didn't work.

Honestly means that you ostracize people without prejudice or favouritism, and you give them a chance to study up for the exam and get back into the country after a year or so in France or possibly the nicer bits of Australia, Italy or the UK.

People can change. If an American has to pass a test to drive a car, own a gun or be an American, then that is what they will do in the Good Old Fashioned American way. They'll cheat, lie, pay a bribe, pretend to be somebody else, bring in a ringer to write the exam for them, or gosh darnit, having exhausted all other possibilities, they will be rational and just study for the exam until they can pass it.

Otherwise, I wouldn't worry about that much. Every country in the world would have at least that many people who are pretty much clueless on everything that didn't happen on a reality game show or wasn't standing on their head at the moment that you asked. Americans seem to be obsessed with the minutia of their culture, politics, sports, etc., and thus are probably among the best informed ignoramuses on Earth.

Remember, an actress can be world famous right across China or India, with hundreds of millions of adoring fans, and you and I will never her of her unless she does something really, really stupid, like getting arrested for kissing Johnny Depp or something. Ignorance is not only relative, it is absolutely everywhere at all times. It is like darkess, a different kind of light that you can't see, invisible light if you will, which must exist or else how would you see the ordinary light?

By the way, I am Canadian and I scored over 90 on that test. I wouldn't settle for anything less. Somebody I might have to sneek into the USA and how would anybody know if I were there unless I kept pointing it out? It's bad enough being an invisible majority in your own country, but being an invisible minority in somebody else's country is intolerable.

In the Kingdom of the Clueless, the Half-Assed Man is King.

Or more likely, the best plumber in town. Only has to go back to his shop for one or two items before he almost fixes your leak. If being half-assed could make me rich, I'd sooner be a rich plumber than a harried and miserable king. Obama would probably sooner be a plumber too, but he has no ass crack.

It's true. He and Michelle belong to a class of rich people who are so thin that they do not have ass cracks. Soon they will have no chins, noses, ears, and tiny mouths and the world will be governed by Grays, except in the former British Empire, where Greys will governe.

I should have saved that for the fake history thread maybe, but trust me, if you need a few hundred pages of fake history, I'm your man.
 
2012-05-07 01:48:10 PM  
More proof that the public schools and socialist teacher's unions are failing the kids they are supposed to our learning.
 
2012-05-07 01:48:19 PM  
30% of Americans would fail anything you put in front of them. USA! USA!
 
2012-05-07 01:55:26 PM  

qorkfiend: cfletch13: ontariolightning: Ask an American who the President of Canada is... tis embarrassing

Pierre Poutine, duh.

It's not Dudley Do-Right?


Are you saying Burton Cummings lost the election? eh
 
2012-05-07 01:57:59 PM  
monoski

Ask a presidential candidate to name some foreign presidents and you get some funny answers, Herman Cain.



Ask a current president how many states are in the union and you will get some funny answers.
 
2012-05-07 01:58:15 PM  
I've taken this test. I seriously don't believe that 1 in 3 Americans over the age of 18 would fail it. It's a 96 question multiple choice test with 4 answers per question and you only need to get 58 of them right.

There are about 6 questions I'd consider even remotely difficult and about 4 more where the "correct" answer is actually wrong, but the real answer is much more complicated than the test would ever consider asking. The rest of the questions are extremely easy. If you had everyone in the US who was of voting age take the test, I'd expect a 90+% pass rating.
 
2012-05-07 02:04:54 PM  
That's funny. This was a question on What do ya know Saturday and they said 67%, and that it's greater than the number of imigrants taking it.

My sister studied for months and was very, VERY angry when it was only a few softball questions. I was naturalized when I was a baby, so it didn't hurt as bad
 
2012-05-07 02:04:57 PM  
I'm guessing the highest court in the US is the municipal courthouse in Vail, CO, somewhere above 8,000 ft, but there's probably others.

And technically, the House has more than 435 voting members, as the delegate from DC gets to vote in committee.

But I'm not surprised people can't name some of the original 13 states. My college roommate was from Delaware, and said he meets a lot of people who have never heard of it.
 
2012-05-07 02:08:04 PM  
jim32rr

qorkfiend: cfletch13: ontariolightning: Ask an American who the President of Canada is... tis embarrassing

Pierre Poutine, duh.

It's not Dudley Do-Right?

Are you saying Burton Cummings lost the election? eh



It's the New Mother Nature taking over....
 
2012-05-07 02:08:53 PM  

RexTalionis: I've taken the citizenship test and passed. It's ridiculously easy with questions like "Who is the President?"


It's incredibly easy to people with an interest in politics and government and history. I find a surprising number of people without such interests are shockingly bad at such questions.
 
2012-05-07 02:09:53 PM  

Bmore O's: Why do right wingers fail on the meaning of the first amendment?

This from a post on facebook:

"We still have freedom of speech, but only if we're being politically correct."

The first amendment prevent "taxbongo" from throwing you in jail for calling him "taxbongo." It does not protect you against social and economic repercussions.


An ironic statement considering how poorly the OWS crowd has managed to understand the first amendment over the last year.
 
2012-05-07 02:10:19 PM  

Rincewind53: The Stealth Hippopotamus: This just cant be. Sorry but I saw the test my wife had to take. It's so easy it's laughable. If you know how many states there are you are home free!!

There are many Americans who don't think Hawaii or Alaska are states, and think New Mexico is part of Mexico.


New England isn't a state either the english own it right?
 
2012-05-07 02:10:58 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bmore O's: Why do right wingers fail on the meaning of the first amendment?

really? you think that's only a right wing problem? Do you remember the Dixie Chicks??


I remember when the right accused the Dixie Chicks of "treason" because the right doesn't understand the first ammendment. Is that the point you're trying to make?
 
2012-05-07 02:13:37 PM  
Superjew

30% of Americans would fail anything you put in front of them. USA! USA!

Not if they were questions like these:

1) Name the last winner of American Idol
2) Name the last winner of Dancing With the Stars
3) Name the last winner of the Indianapolis 500
4) Name the last winner of the Super Bowl
 
2012-05-07 02:14:12 PM  
Crewmannumber6

That's funny. This was a question on What do ya know Saturday and they said 67%, and that it's greater than the number of imigrants taking it.

My sister studied for months and was very, VERY angry when it was only a few softball questions. I was naturalized when I was a baby, so it didn't hurt as bad



Don't they do that with a soldering iron?
 
2012-05-07 02:15:58 PM  

ontariolightning: Ask an American who the President of Canada is... tis embarrassing


Well, yeah. They have a Prime Minister. Anyone who asks who the president of Canada is needs to be embarrassed.
 
2012-05-07 02:16:01 PM  

SuperTramp: Superjew

30% of Americans would fail anything you put in front of them. USA! USA!

Not if they were questions like these:

1) Name the last winner of American Idol
2) Name the last winner of Dancing With the Stars
3) Name the last winner of the Indianapolis 500
4) Name the last winner of the Super Bowl


0/4 for me. Yay me!
 
2012-05-07 02:16:43 PM  

SuperTramp: 1) Name the last winner of American Idol No idea
2) Name the last winner of Dancing With the Stars No idea
3) Name the last winner of the Indianapolis 500 No idea
4) Name the last winner of the Super Bowl The farking New York Giants, that's who

 
2012-05-07 02:16:47 PM  

Splinshints: The Stealth Hippopotamus: really? you think that's only a right wing problem? Do you remember the Dixie Chicks??

And here's where I invite you to get in a tit-for-tat back and forth on this. You bring up examples of libs being stupid and whining when there are social or economic repercussions for their statements and I'll bring up examples of right-wingers being stupid and whining.

I could whip you in that game using nothing but breitbart.com as a source. Hell, I'd probably win if I only used articles on breitbart.com since the first of the year.

No, being a whiny, butthurt sniveling little biatch about everything isn't the exclusive domain of the right, but they've got a pretty solid lock on about 98% of it.


In fairness liberals usually aren't complaining social or economic repercussions, they are claiming their 1st amendment rights are violated when they aren't allowed to block traffic or over night camp in a park.
 
2012-05-07 02:17:39 PM  

EWreckedSean: RexTalionis: I've taken the citizenship test and passed. It's ridiculously easy with questions like "Who is the President?"

It's incredibly easy to people with an interest in politics and government and history. I find a surprising number of people without such interests are shockingly bad at such questions.


Yeah, it's fairly easy to get all snooty about being well-versed in US civics when one of your hobbies involves hanging out in the Politics tab of a US-based news aggregator.
 
2012-05-07 02:17:42 PM  

karnal: Crewmannumber6

That's funny. This was a question on What do ya know Saturday and they said 67%, and that it's greater than the number of imigrants taking it.

My sister studied for months and was very, VERY angry when it was only a few softball questions. I was naturalized when I was a baby, so it didn't hurt as bad


Don't they do that with a soldering iron?


Swisss army knife ironically enough
 
2012-05-07 02:18:17 PM  
well crap, 9/10

/can never remember how many Reps there are
 
2012-05-07 02:19:39 PM  

qorkfiend: SuperTramp: 1) Name the last winner of American Idol No idea
2) Name the last winner of Dancing With the Stars No idea
3) Name the last winner of the Indianapolis 500 No idea
4) Name the last winner of the Super Bowl The farking New York Giants, that's who


QFT

/"Fugetaboutit!" - Elisha Nelson Manning
 
2012-05-07 02:19:55 PM  

DeaH: Anyone who asks who the president of Canada is needs to be embarrassed.


Perhaps, but not for the most obvious reason. There are countries that have both a parliamentary prime minister as well as a president. Canada just isn't one of them.
 
2012-05-07 02:21:12 PM  

EWreckedSean: Splinshints: The Stealth Hippopotamus: really? you think that's only a right wing problem? Do you remember the Dixie Chicks??

And here's where I invite you to get in a tit-for-tat back and forth on this. You bring up examples of libs being stupid and whining when there are social or economic repercussions for their statements and I'll bring up examples of right-wingers being stupid and whining.

I could whip you in that game using nothing but breitbart.com as a source. Hell, I'd probably win if I only used articles on breitbart.com since the first of the year.

No, being a whiny, butthurt sniveling little biatch about everything isn't the exclusive domain of the right, but they've got a pretty solid lock on about 98% of it.

In fairness liberals usually aren't complaining social or economic repercussions, they are claiming their 1st amendment rights are violated when they aren't allowed to block traffic or over night camp in a park.


You do understand that the 1st Amendment places a restriction upon the government and only the government, right? And that private actors are free to take whatever actions they desire in response to speech, which can include being critical of others' speech?
 
2012-05-07 02:23:50 PM  

EWreckedSean: Splinshints: The Stealth Hippopotamus: really? you think that's only a right wing problem? Do you remember the Dixie Chicks??

And here's where I invite you to get in a tit-for-tat back and forth on this. You bring up examples of libs being stupid and whining when there are social or economic repercussions for their statements and I'll bring up examples of right-wingers being stupid and whining.

I could whip you in that game using nothing but breitbart.com as a source. Hell, I'd probably win if I only used articles on breitbart.com since the first of the year.

No, being a whiny, butthurt sniveling little biatch about everything isn't the exclusive domain of the right, but they've got a pretty solid lock on about 98% of it.

In fairness liberals usually aren't complaining social or economic repercussions, they are claiming their 1st amendment rights are violated when they aren't allowed to block traffic or over night camp in a park.


Everyone know the first amendment is from 9AM to 5PM and takes all Saturdays, Sundays and major holidays off.
 
2012-05-07 02:27:47 PM  
As far as I remember, the citizenship test for Americans was quite Goddam simple: Were you born in America?
 
2012-05-07 02:28:49 PM  

DeaH: ontariolightning: Ask an American who the President of Canada is... tis embarrassing

Well, yeah. They have a Prime Minister. Anyone who asks who the president of Canada is needs to be embarrassed.


You mean it isn't Terrance N. Phillip?
 
2012-05-07 02:41:38 PM  

Bmore O's: Why do right wingers fail on the meaning of the first amendment?

This from a post on facebook:

"We still have freedom of speech, but only if we're being politically correct."

The first amendment prevent "taxbongo" from throwing you in jail for calling him "taxbongo." It does not protect you against social and economic repercussions.


That's not so much a "right wing" thing as much as a "whiny, entitled snowflake" thing. All areas of the political spectrum invoke "freedom of speech = freedom from opposition" all the time, and they're all dead wrong when they do it. They all tend to be selectively sensitive about it as well, invoking it for people they sympathize with -treating social consequences as equivalent to force of law when doing so- while dismissing people the consequences faced by people they don't sympathize with as trivialities.

It's really quite annoying.
 
2012-05-07 02:41:41 PM  
I bet if I intensively studies a countries factoid because I wanted to live there, I would know a lot more than your average Canukistan citizen as well. I'm pretty sure the situation would be the same in all countries requiring testing for citizenship.
 
2012-05-07 02:44:14 PM  

Neeek: about 4 more where the "correct" answer is actually wrong


You know... I took the sample test and one of the questions was "who was president during World War II". I picked Roosevelt and they said I was wrong, it was Hoover....

I just figured I misread it and maybe it asked who was president leading up to World War II or something.... now I'm not so sure it wasn't just wrong.
 
2012-05-07 02:44:52 PM  

BHShaman: I bet if I intensively studies a countries factoid because I wanted to live there, I would know a lot more than your average Canukistan citizen as well. I'm pretty sure the situation would be the same in all countries requiring testing for citizenship.


You're missing the point. These questions are so easy that anyone living in the farking country who has completed the 5th grade should be able to pass.
 
2012-05-07 02:47:06 PM  

Splinshints: Neeek: about 4 more where the "correct" answer is actually wrong

You know... I took the sample test and one of the questions was "who was president during World War II". I picked Roosevelt and they said I was wrong, it was Hoover....

I just figured I misread it and maybe it asked who was president leading up to World War II or something.... now I'm not so sure it wasn't just wrong.


Truman would be the only other one. Not sure where they got Hoover from.
 
2012-05-07 02:49:56 PM  
What surprising about this? Last I heard, the only things that americans teach in school are abstinence and creationism.
 
2012-05-07 02:50:04 PM  
It's not a hard test and immigrants who are patient enough not to break the law are also patient enough to study for it.
 
2012-05-07 02:51:24 PM  

skullkrusher: well crap, 9/10

/can never remember how many Reps there are


That got me too
 
2012-05-07 02:55:04 PM  
Okay then. Round up every single person 18 or older and make them take the test. If you pass, you're a citizen. If you fail, we cast you out to sea on an ice floe. Problem solved!
 
2012-05-07 02:55:10 PM  

jso2897: Lost Thought 00: In fairness, immigrants study for the test. Give citizens time and motivation to study and they would pass with equal numbers.

I'll bet you're a blast a parties.


Says the guy quick to judge someone for applying reason to a brainless analysis of a dumb statistic. I bet you wet the bed nightly.
 
2012-05-07 03:04:55 PM  
Yeah, 1 out of 3 Americans would fail it if they took it right now. But most immigrants who are serious enough to take the test are also serious enough to study for the test. If the average American had the same motivation and time to study for the test as the average immigrant does, I would expect at least a 97% pass rate, if not higher.

SandmanEatsYourBrain: What surprising about this? Last I heard, the only things that americans teach in school are abstinence and creationism.


You are probably not serious, but in my experiences that is very far from the case. Only a handful of States actively push creationism (my school for example only taught biblical things from a purely cultural perspective, and certainly not in science class), and sex education makes up a tiny portion of the overall curriculum whether it's abstinence only or not.

It's just that we don't hear any news stories on "American schools are still teaching arithmetic".


I'm not saying American schools don't have their problems, because they certainly do, but even the most extreme fundamentalist school in Texas provides a far better education then say...the average North Korean school.
 
2012-05-07 03:12:58 PM  

Jim_Callahan: EWreckedSean: RexTalionis: I've taken the citizenship test and passed. It's ridiculously easy with questions like "Who is the President?"

It's incredibly easy to people with an interest in politics and government and history. I find a surprising number of people without such interests are shockingly bad at such questions.

Yeah, it's fairly easy to get all snooty about being well-versed in US civics when one of your hobbies involves hanging out in the Politics tab of a US-based news aggregator.


I took my citizenship test in 2002, when I was a college freshman and well before I started being on Fark. This was around the time I was a video-game playing CompSci slacker.
 
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