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2012-05-07 06:19:33 PM
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The only complaint I had in the entire movie was the final fight scene when the Black Widow stands up and fires 2 puny .45 or 9mm's at flying, laser gun wielding, aliens.. as if that was gonna do something? Even though she sort of used one of their spearguns .. she still went back to the pistols? If she would've taken one of those badass weapons like Phil had (RIP Phil!!!) vs. Loki.. then sure.
I know she is way outgunnned.. but it wouldn't have bothered me if they amped up her weapons a bit.
 
2012-05-07 06:23:42 PM

Dougie AXP: My four favorite scenes were (SPOILERS!!)

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Hulk beating the ever loving hell out of Loki, the whole scene from beginning to end. And Loki's expression of "what the Fark was that?!" priceless. Puny God indeed.


It was like Bam-Bam from The Flintstones with ragdoll physics! XD
 
2012-05-07 06:24:22 PM

chaoswolf: imgod2u: Well, not all the time. But let's say he's trapped in a farking airship and there's a tense argument amongst everyone. He's still in control now but he's afraid tensions will get hot and he might get pissed. Well, why not just Hulkify himself?

Because he knew that everyone would freak out even more and due to his own already heightened agitation also knew that Hulk wouldn't be in the right frame of mind for the event. In other words, he knew he wasn't in control and changing would be a bad thing.


Well, being as he's a smart dude and they're para-military types, so not exactly irrational idiots, why don't they always have a "I'll-hulk-before-I-get-angry" rule upon him entering the flying ship? I can accept that in that particular case, he may have been beyond the tipping point. But you'd think a smart guy like that with years and years of experience with self-control wouldn't let a dick-measuring spat get to him so easily...

imgod2u: Seemed like that was Cap's job. Having eyes always helps, I agree. But as we saw with Loki, arrows don't hurt demigods.

Nope, Cap beats the hell out of his opponents. Hawkeye has glue arrows, net arrows, taser arrows, etc, etc. He's a defender/controller. Cap's a scrapper.


So what exactly did he control with the horde of aliens....

imgod2u: If you're laying down flat on your back, in order to roll over, you'd need to elevate the hammer.

But you wouldn't be trying to lift it. You'd be trying to get out from under it. The hammer knows the difference just as it knows that the floor of the Helicarrier counts as ground even though by your definition it would plummet through the carrier's many floors and fall all the way to the ground. Same case goes if, by your thought, Thor drops it on someone's chest: it would plummet through their ribcage to the ground, instantly killing anyone he tried it on. This is never the case.


Elevate = lift. An argument could be made that the hammer would plummet even through the Earth but that brings into question what counts as a stopping point. However, what is meant with "lifting" is pretty clear: you attempt to move it. If you're suggesting someone could limbo from underneath the hammer, sure. But with Hulk's pecs, I don't think that's an option. And as he gets angrier, he gets bigger, which poses a problem....
 
2012-05-07 06:28:02 PM

Weidbrewer: ManateeGag: I missed what Hulk said to Lokie because everyone was laughing so hard at the previous part of the scene.

Same thing happened to me and I had to look it up. Hulk's fights with both Asgardians were the best parts of a great movie. As someone else said, Hulk not being able to lift the hammer was so well done.

Jim_Callahan: Actually, I was impressed by how well Whedon suppressed the urge to go all Whedoney on us.

SPOILERS!

Okay, that, and killing Colsten. That was telegraphed from the beginning. I was like, "Hey, they're actually fleshing his character out this time and giving him some depth andOH fark, JOSS IS GONNA KILL HIM, ISN'T HE!"


Yeh, the minute the conversation about the Cellist came up you KNEW he was toast.
 
2012-05-07 06:50:13 PM

Dr.Knockboots: -------spoilers---------------



The only complaint I had in the entire movie was the final fight scene when the Black Widow stands up and fires 2 puny .45 or 9mm's at flying, laser gun wielding, aliens.. as if that was gonna do something? Even though she sort of used one of their spearguns .. she still went back to the pistols? If she would've taken one of those badass weapons like Phil had (RIP Phil!!!) vs. Loki.. then sure.
I know she is way outgunnned.. but it wouldn't have bothered me if they amped up her weapons a bit.



Ehhh, those aliens weren't particularly immune to bullets or even fists for that matter. Cap chopped one's arm off with his blunt shield. Hawk killed plenty with plain arrows. Remember: when working with heroes of vastly differing offensive capabilities, an enemy has to be written that can be overcome by the weakest of the lot (in an action blockbuster such as this one). It's actually the key reason I was bored during the big Act III fight scene. There were two enemy types, one weak and puny, the other a leviathan of necessary durability. There were never enough of the first type to present a credible threat for Humanity (or even the heroes present), and the second type wasn't consistently dangerous - the initial leviathan took far longer to kill than any of the others, which apparently went down with barely a sweat broken by Hulk.

They needed more foot soldiers, and consistently difficult monsters. I never felt for a second that the Avengers were in serious danger. Hell, one single carrier could have managed the fight, and this is the army that's supposed to subjugate the Human Race?

Feh.

Other than that, loved the movie. Whedon really made the characters "real." The best parts of the movie were when they all had to deal with each other, no enemy present.
 
2012-05-07 07:41:54 PM

imgod2u:
And Captain America -- guy who grew up as tiny ass kid who got picked on -- taunting others? Completely out of character.


He wasn't taunting Stark because Stark was weak, as a bully would have done. He was criticising him because he was, in the Cap's opinion, powerful but not pulling his weight or taking this seriously. Totally consistent with his character.
What would he have said to a coward or deserter?
 
2012-05-07 07:44:13 PM

imgod2u: Antimatter: imgod2u: Again, all of that would make sense had it been the first time Thor had been to Earth. Or Iron Man dealt with the government. Or Captain America had just been fished out of the water.

Their own individual movies had already dealt with -- and was even referenced to -- their personal growth. Thor learned to respect humanity and not just go rampaging without regard for their laws; yet that's the first thing he does in this movie.

Tony Stark was entirely, completely, impossibly out of character with the whole "let's measure dicks with the demigod" fiasco that followed. Tony Stark isn't hot headed; he was never hot-headed even before the two Iron Man movies. Even less so afterwards.

And Captain America -- guy who grew up as tiny ass kid who got picked on -- taunting others? Completely out of character.


I think the staff was manipulating them to make them lose their cool. This was hinted at by tony touching his head like he had a headache, and ultimately, banner grabbing the staff itself. Goal was to get the hulk to go apeshiat and smash everything.

I see. I hadn't connected that. The staff had psychological affects on them? But what about at the end where Loki tried to mind-rape Stark only to find that apparently, magic doesn't flow through metal?


I thought the same thing. With the odd angles of the camera (to induce a sick feeling) and the flashes back to the staff it was like an induces psychosis. Further when Hulk picks it up after being "selected" by Loki it's seemed obvious.
 
2012-05-07 07:48:08 PM
Avengers 2 needs to have Kid Loki.
 
2012-05-07 07:50:29 PM

Mr_Juche: Weidbrewer: ManateeGag: I missed what Hulk said to Lokie because everyone was laughing so hard at the previous part of the scene.

Same thing happened to me and I had to look it up. Hulk's fights with both Asgardians were the best parts of a great movie. As someone else said, Hulk not being able to lift the hammer was so well done.

Jim_Callahan: Actually, I was impressed by how well Whedon suppressed the urge to go all Whedoney on us.

SPOILERS!

Okay, that, and killing Colsten. That was telegraphed from the beginning. I was like, "Hey, they're actually fleshing his character out this time and giving him some depth andOH fark, JOSS IS GONNA KILL HIM, ISN'T HE!"

Yeh, the minute the conversation about the Cellist came up you KNEW he was toast.


Coulson isn't dead, I guarantee it. Fury never actually said he was dead, just "down". The cards Fury used as revenge props weren't taken off Coulson's corpse, they came from his locker. How Coulson survived exactly I don't know. but I would bet the farm he survived somehow. Who's to say that the character "Coulson" hasn't been different Life Model Decoys all along? A nice callback to how Stark answers the phone in the beginning of the movie...
 
2012-05-07 07:55:32 PM

cetacei: Coulson isn't dead, I guarantee it. Fury never actually said he was dead, just "down". The cards Fury used as revenge props weren't taken off Coulson's corpse, they came from his locker. How Coulson survived exactly I don't know. but I would bet the farm he survived somehow. Who's to say that the character "Coulson" hasn't been different Life Model Decoys all along? A nice callback to how Stark answers the phone in the beginning of the movie...


And I've seen a few posters elsewhere who claim they saw Coulson towards the end of the movie.
 
2012-05-07 07:59:07 PM

texdent: cetacei: Coulson isn't dead, I guarantee it. Fury never actually said he was dead, just "down". The cards Fury used as revenge props weren't taken off Coulson's corpse, they came from his locker. How Coulson survived exactly I don't know. but I would bet the farm he survived somehow. Who's to say that the character "Coulson" hasn't been different Life Model Decoys all along? A nice callback to how Stark answers the phone in the beginning of the movie...

And I've seen a few posters elsewhere who claim they saw Coulson towards the end of the movie.


I need proof of this.

/they're vintage
//near mint
///that's every farker in this thread
 
2012-05-07 08:16:01 PM

Mentat: More Carol Danvers please.


Preferably her new look

/hot like an explosion of cosmic energy!
 
2012-05-07 08:26:08 PM

Teufelaffe: Dougie AXP: Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Did I see someone here say that the big guy's representative to Loki was The Red Skull?! How the hell did I miss that? What were your clues?

Sounds like someone making shiat up. The character in the film is called "The Other" and, while they bear a superficial cosmetic resemblance to the Red Skull, it makes no sense for them to be the same character for any number of reasons, not least of which being that the Red Skull already knows damn well that the human race would not be easy pickings.


He's called The Other in the credits but IMDB links him back to Annihilus.
 
2012-05-07 08:26:58 PM
My favorite part of the movie?

How bad ass the actors portrayed their respective characters. They honestly did a genuinely good job.

Also, the fight scene between Thor and Iron Man - Loki was the guy eating popcorn in this scene rather than run away and fight. He watched a human and a demi-god fight it out. Perhaps this is really where Loki doesn't realize it, but that he's already lost if a human was going to be involved.
 
2012-05-07 08:35:46 PM

Optimal_Illusion: Who's got the current rights to Howard the Duck?


Allan Smithee.
 
2012-05-07 08:40:09 PM

NeoCortex42: I noticed they changed the makeup around Nick Fury's eye-patch a bit since his previous appearances:

Captain America:
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Avengers:
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Just a different makeup guy in charge? Or is it actually something meaningful? It reminds me a bit of Tony Stark's poisoning near his reactor in Iron Man 2.


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Eeeewww.
 
2012-05-07 08:48:45 PM
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If they bring the FF into a future Avengers movie (they worked together a lot in the comics), how will it work out?
 
2012-05-07 08:54:23 PM

limboslam: [i486.photobucket.com image 480x379]

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If they bring the FF into a future Avengers movie (they worked together a lot in the comics), how will it work out?


Marvel Studios didn't do the Fantastic Four movie so they'll just reboot with a new actor.
 
2012-05-07 09:17:46 PM

MindStalker: I really disagree. While yes, its a better movie if you have the background, its enjoyable for all. I'm quite annoyed that this reviewer would discourage novices from seeing this movie.


Didn't get around to seeing Capt America and was drunk enough watching Thor I barely remember it. But Im enough of a Comic fan that it mattered not at all
 
2012-05-07 09:24:41 PM

chaoswolf: ManateeGag: chaoswolf: Asked this in the other thread but didn't see an answer...

If Cap's shield absorbs kinetic energy and vibration, how does it bounce off of walls and make noise when hit?

it's made of a rare fictional metal called "Vibranium", so essentially, that's what it does.

So... cuz it's magic shut up that's why!


Of course not, cuz it's fictional science so shut up!
 
2012-05-07 09:32:49 PM

Detinwolf: So while we're talking about the Hulk/Thor fight, just actually how powerful is Thor? I don't read comics, I gather that he is immortal, and no one else can use his hammer. If Hulk and Thor were to legitimately try to kill each other, who would win?


Depends on which comic it's in. Each would win in their own respective titles. In a neutral comic? It would depend on the needs of the story. They are pretty evenly matched
 
2012-05-07 09:45:33 PM

limboslam: If they bring the FF into a future Avengers movie (they worked together a lot in the comics), how will it work out?


He's going to get paid!

And Johnny will have to say something like " I'm not guy, but that Cap guy is really good looking"
 
2012-05-07 11:29:22 PM

ManateeGag: Weidbrewer: ManateeGag: I missed what Hulk said to Lokie because everyone was laughing so hard at the previous part of the scene.

Same thing happened to me and I had to look it up. Hulk's fights with both Asgardians were the best parts of a great movie. As someone else said, Hulk not being able to lift the hammer was so well done.

I wish they had done a scene where Cap picks up the hammer, just to show how pure of heart Cap really is. IIRC, Cap did this in the comic, and until recently was the only character other than Thor to do so. Maybe they will get it in Avengers 2.


chaoswolf: imgod2u: Fair enough. Maybe it got pushed around? I mean, with where it's placed, the thing had to have cut out much of his ribcage.

That's part of the reason I hate that they didn't just yank the shrapnel after he got back to the states. What... Stark couldn't build something along the same lines to hold the shrapnel in place while surgeons removed all of it or created tools for them to do the job? Riiiiight.

The thought that he builds the initial chestplate/arc reactor to keep him alive worked well. Having him unable to get the pieces out after getting back to the states? Not so much.


To be fair, it lets him do this:
www.scifiworld.es


Maybe he doesn't WANT to take it out

/I wouldn't
//besides: Extremis. Remember that word.
 
2012-05-08 12:44:20 AM
History lesson:

Once upon a time, Stan Lee went to California to start marketing Marvel properties to Hollywood studios.

That's when we started getting the Hulk and Spider-Man tv-shows. (Though I saw three of the Spider-Man two-parters in theatres, but I digress). It kept on going for decades. You know the deal now: Spider-Man with Sony. FF, X-Men, Silver Surfer, DD and Ghost Rider with Fox. Blade with New Line.

Suddenly, Marvel created Marvel Studios so they can make up their own movies without licensing them out to others.

At first no one gave a rat's ass. Then they made Iron Man. Whoa. Not a bad movie! Made some money!

Then, after Universal gave up the Hulk rights because of the abysmal Hulk movie, Marvel Studios retook the property and made The Incredible Hulk, which made money. Then, BOOM! Everyone, Sony, Fox can now see what would happen to the properties they licensed if the licenses reverted back to Marvel Studios.

Which was why Sony hastily made The Amazing Spider-Man and Fox, X-Men First Class. They had to release them or the licenses go back to Marvel. They wouldn't want another Hulk-type missed opportunity like what happened to Universal.

Here we are at The Avengers, which might go on to be the biggest hit of the year, and perhaps more.

I don't think Sony and Fox will let anyone pry their Marvel-licensed properties out of their cold dead hands.

/what I think happened and is happening. Did I get it right?
 
2012-05-08 12:53:13 AM

Aboleth:

/what I think happened and is happening. Did I get it right?


Yes, but us comic nerds need an actual list of which characters, stories, places, and objects "belong" to which movie studio. It's easy to see Spider-man isn't going to be in Avengers 2, but what about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? They're Magneto's children, they're mutants, but they were also Avengers for a long time. What about Skrulls, who were introduced in the Fantastic Four comics? Are those "owned" by Fox, or can they be a major villain in a Marvel movie? There are rumors, theories, and speculation, but not a concrete master list. It's frustrating.
 
2012-05-08 01:18:44 AM

Trocadero: What about Skrulls, who were introduced in the Fantastic Four comics? Are those "owned" by Fox, or can they be a major villain in a Marvel movie?


I think Joss Whedon more or less said so that the Skrulls were tied with FF over at Fox, which was why they went with Chitauri, which was 1610's name for the Skrulls which didn't look a lot like the 616 Skrulls.
 
2012-05-08 01:34:30 AM

Aboleth: Trocadero: What about Skrulls, who were introduced in the Fantastic Four comics? Are those "owned" by Fox, or can they be a major villain in a Marvel movie?

I think Joss Whedon more or less said so that the Skrulls were tied with FF over at Fox, which was why they went with Chitauri, which was 1610's name for the Skrulls which didn't look a lot like the 616 Skrulls.


That's what I heard too. I'm assuming, when he sat down to write the script, that he had some crib sheet of characters that were legally acceptable (Chitauri) and which weren't (Skrulls.) I want to see that crib sheet.
 
2012-05-08 01:42:42 AM

lisarenee3505: *snip*


Attention whore wants attention. News at 11.
 
2012-05-08 02:41:25 AM

thomps: scalpod: thomps: Teufelaffe: Diogenes: They finally got the old green bean right.

I completely agree. His movements felt more real that previous incarnations, and the way he moved through (quite literally through) the scenery really made him seem like the massive, nearly unstoppable beast that he is.

ok i'm not well-versed in comic book canon generally or hulk specifically, but the movie presented him as physically impervious to injury/death. is that right or did i misinterpret?

In the Hulk version of "The End" it's in the distant future when he and a million super cockroaches are the only things left alive on the planet. He's caught in an endless cycle of being chased by sandstorm size swarms of them until he tires, they overwhelm him and strip his bones and then he regenerates to do it all again every day.

FUN!

jesus, really? what is this "The End?"


The End
 
2012-05-08 05:05:51 AM

Mentat: Teufelaffe: Dougie AXP: Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Did I see someone here say that the big guy's representative to Loki was The Red Skull?! How the hell did I miss that? What were your clues?

Sounds like someone making shiat up. The character in the film is called "The Other" and, while they bear a superficial cosmetic resemblance to the Red Skull, it makes no sense for them to be the same character for any number of reasons, not least of which being that the Red Skull already knows damn well that the human race would not be easy pickings.

He's called The Other in the credits but IMDB links him back to Annihilus.


I know this is a shock, but IMDB has to be wrong.

I recall rumours a while ago that Thanos was going to make an appearance
in the Marvel Movieverse, and anyway Annihilus has to be lumped into the
FF film rights matrix since he was primarily a FF foe in the comics.

There is no way that Marvel would use a character with a questionable
intellectual property chain as the central villain in one of their movies,
especially when they have such a deep bench of such characters to pick
from (that, and Annihilus has nowhere near the recognition among the fans
as Thanos).
 
2012-05-08 08:55:30 AM

Aboleth: History lesson:


Then, after Universal gave up the Hulk rights because of the abysmal Hulk movie, Marvel Studios retook the property and made The Incredible Hulk, which made money. Then, BOOM! Everyone, Sony, Fox can now see what would happen to the properties they licensed if the licenses reverted back to Marvel Studios.



Actually, the two "Hulk" datapoints are very similar, in terms of box office results:

"Hulk" (2003) - Lifetime Gross: 132 million
"Incredible Hulk" (2008) - Lifetime Gross: 134 million

In some regards, you could probably say that the original Hulk movie probably made more money when taking into account ticket inflation and more costly effects of the second movie.
 
2012-05-08 09:14:17 AM

snowshovel: In some regards, you could probably say that the original Hulk movie probably made more money when taking into account ticket inflation and more costly effects of the second movie.


Interesting. I didn't look into the figures because I thought that was the reason why Universal let the license go. Must have been caused by other factors. Thanks.
 
2012-05-08 09:30:04 AM

Aboleth: /what I think happened and is happening. Did I get it right?


Mostly, but this goes back a little further. Both Spider-man 3 and X-men: The Last Stand were also rush jobs because the rights issue. That license agreement must be on a pretty short timeline because both those franchises seem to be pumping out movies as fast as possible. The next Wolverine film barely has a cast and director and is still supposed to come out next year. Luckily First Class was good, but I really don't think Amazing Spier-man is going to be all that great.
 
2012-05-08 09:35:44 AM

Malivon: My favorite part of the movie?

How bad ass the actors portrayed their respective characters. They honestly did a genuinely good job.

Also, the fight scene between Thor and Iron Man - Loki was the guy eating popcorn in this scene rather than run away and fight. He watched a human and a demi-god fight it out. Perhaps this is really where Loki doesn't realize it, but that he's already lost if a human was going to be involved.


Loki wanted to be captured. That was his plan. He wasn't in a hurry to run off becuase he was just waiting for them to be done so they could take him to the helicarrier.
 
2012-05-08 01:05:53 PM

Teufelaffe: Dougie AXP: Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Did I see someone here say that the big guy's representative to Loki was The Red Skull?! How the hell did I miss that? What were your clues?

Sounds like someone making shiat up. The character in the film is called "The Other" and, while they bear a superficial cosmetic resemblance to the Red Skull, it makes no sense for them to be the same character for any number of reasons, not least of which being that the Red Skull already knows damn well that the human race would not be easy pickings.


Yeah, I don't know where people get that crap from. Some ratty stoner dude in my audience was explaining to his friends that the Chitauri speaker was the Red Skull, which made me facepalm. Then again, one of his friends thought the Red Skull was dead, so I guess a lot of people didn't pay attention.
 
2012-05-08 01:31:08 PM

MBK: In Avengers: Focused on all the characters. At the end, they needed a plan. Iron Man never led a group. Neither did Thor (he WAS the group on Asgard), or BW, Hawkeye, etc. They turned to Cap. The heavy hitters all tangled with each other at some part. Thor vs Iron Man. Thor vs Hulk. Fights people want to see just for the sheer coolness factor associated with it. They had brains outsmart brains, and they had brawn beat the shiat out of brawn. It had comedy. It didn't have a love story because there was no need for one. The writers knew what people wanted to see, and I have no complaints.


They did have love stories, but they were subtle. Black Widow and Hawkeye are clearly in love (notice how she diverts him away from thinking about all the people he killed when he was possessed), and the scene where Tony is trying to get a hold of Pepper who won't answer her phone because she's, ironically, too worried about Tony to turn away from the TV is pure romantic gold.
 
2012-05-08 01:47:38 PM

LikeTheSearchEngine: I loved the movie.

I just want to comment on how weirdly unbalanced the Avengers team is. You go from Black Widow (who has no apparent super power) to Hawkeye (who might have one), to Cap (who is a superhuman, but really, his shield is what makes him "Super"), to Stark (a genius whose suit puts him in the running for most USEFUL if not powerful), to Hulk and Thor (each essentially indestructible, one a literal demigod what with the lightning and the hammering).

It didn't detract from the movie, but I wonder if Hawkeye and Black Widow feel a little... inadequate.


Far from detracting from the movie, I felt that one of the triumphs of the movie was that it successfully depicted both of these characters are formidable and useful in spite of their relatively limited power.

I particularly like how they had Hawkeye working for Loki and running circles around the rest of the team. It managed to really sell the idea that someone with a bow and arrow could be a monumental bad ass.
 
2012-05-08 02:48:21 PM
Intellectual ownership can get complicated, but Joss already addressed the Silver Surfer issue. They can use him and not mention the Avengers, Joss can his him as an Avenger and not mention other stuff. From what I read, it's pretty clear-cut and dried-out.

// which means it will all fall apart and Joss will go into a breakdown (again?)
 
2012-05-08 02:57:19 PM
I could have sworn Apache Chief was a DC character...wasn't he in the Justice League cartoons from the late 1970s/early 1980s fighting that gigantic woman from the League of Doom?
 
2012-05-08 05:05:42 PM

Rude Turnip: I could have sworn Apache Chief was a DC character...wasn't he in the Justice League cartoons from the late 1970s/early 1980s fighting that gigantic woman from the League of Doom?


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-05-08 08:38:54 PM

lisarenee3505: Now not only is the character unbelievable for me and the rest of my generation who grew up with the original comics (oh and put them away when we became, you know, adults), I have to deal with the idea that the guy who is supposed to be kind of in charge of the good guys (or at least supporting them) is in fact also a criminal.


"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~ C.S. Lewis

/It's always fun when I can drag out that quote.
 
2012-05-08 10:34:03 PM

EvilEgg: I just want to say Hawkeye is the most useless superhero ever. Honestly, you're good with a bow, so what? People don't use bows in wars anymore for a reason. He is the Aquaman of the Avengers.


3 out of 10 on the troll meter. You'll have to do much better in the future.

You're talking about a comic book movie. In the real world, getting shot up with radiation doesn't turn you into a hulk, it kills you.
 
2012-05-08 10:36:09 PM

Trocadero: Aboleth:

/what I think happened and is happening. Did I get it right?

Yes, but us comic nerds need an actual list of which characters, stories, places, and objects "belong" to which movie studio. It's easy to see Spider-man isn't going to be in Avengers 2, but what about Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch? They're Magneto's children, they're mutants, but they were also Avengers for a long time. What about Skrulls, who were introduced in the Fantastic Four comics? Are those "owned" by Fox, or can they be a major villain in a Marvel movie? There are rumors, theories, and speculation, but not a concrete master list. It's frustrating.


The Chitauri are Skrulls.
 
2012-05-08 10:37:51 PM

Rude Turnip: I could have sworn Apache Chief was a DC character...wasn't he in the Justice League cartoons from the late 1970s/early 1980s fighting that gigantic woman from the League of Doom?


Along with Black Vulcan and Samurai and El Dorado.

Giganta is the LoD member you are referencing.
 
2012-05-09 06:38:34 PM

cetacei: Coulson isn't dead, I guarantee it. Fury never actually said he was dead, just "down". The cards Fury used as revenge props weren't taken off Coulson's corpse, they came from his locker. How Coulson survived exactly I don't know. but I would bet the farm he survived somehow. Who's to say that the character "Coulson" hasn't been different Life Model Decoys all along? A nice callback to how Stark answers the phone in the beginning of the movie...


He says that the medics "called it". That means he's dead.
 
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