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(Scientastica)   I'm sorry Mr. Santorum. All 500 of your embryos are gay   (scientastica.com) divider line 145
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2012-05-07 09:50:07 AM
FTA: Bioinformatic studies have identified genes contributing to athletic performance, intelligence, height, myopia, mental health, homosexuality, and artistic talent. Through whole genome sequencing, profiles of disease risk, physical attributes, and aptitudes can be constructed for each embryo allowing parents to choose the embryo with the most desirable profile


It's a bright shiny new World
 
2012-05-07 11:33:58 AM
I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?
 
2012-05-07 11:46:07 AM

Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?


Ancient Greece would like a word...
 
2012-05-07 11:47:14 AM

Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?


Are you Hilter?
 
2012-05-07 11:50:16 AM
Or Hitler for that matter.

Not serious about the Hitler thing....well the spelling yeah, but not the eugenics
 
2012-05-07 11:51:58 AM

whyRpeoplesostupid: Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?

Are you Hilter?


Yes, I am Hitler's spirit reincarnated. You've discovered me.
 
2012-05-07 12:08:38 PM

Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?


Soap Opera?
 
2012-05-07 12:10:16 PM
Wouldn't it be funny if Santorum's youngest daughter came out as gay? The one that he refused to have aborted?
 
2012-05-07 12:36:00 PM
blogs.discovermagazine.com
 
2012-05-07 12:41:32 PM
Hitler really put the kibosh on the whole eugenics thing (as well as that mustache style) and turned everyone off to it but as a function of making our species better and speeding up what natural selection is going to do anyway.....there's little argument against it.
 
2012-05-07 12:46:29 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?

Ancient Greece would like a word...


"heterosexuality" is not a term that is accurately applied to Ancient Greece.
 
2012-05-07 12:56:26 PM

Mugato: Hitler really put the kibosh on the whole eugenics thing (as well as that mustache style) and turned everyone off to it but as a function of making our species better and speeding up what natural selection is going to do anyway.....there's little argument against it.


Little argument against it? Seems to me like there would be a lot of argument against it. As far as 'speeding up what natural selection is doing anyway,' the problem with trait selection within embryos is when you start getting into the specifics of what qualifies as 'inevitable evolutionary characteristics,' and what makes our species 'better.'

Some may believe that getting rid of all diseases is a reasonable thing to choose to select for, while others may want a certain hair or skin color, and even others may desire higher intelligence.

As if we didn't have enough of a problem as it is with discrimination. Or even worse, as my question above half-jokingly addresses an issue, what happens in a truly homogeneous society?
 
2012-05-07 12:58:56 PM
Gattaca! Gattaca! Gattaca!
 
2012-05-07 01:24:47 PM

Cythraul: Mugato: Hitler really put the kibosh on the whole eugenics thing (as well as that mustache style) and turned everyone off to it but as a function of making our species better and speeding up what natural selection is going to do anyway.....there's little argument against it.

Little argument against it? Seems to me like there would be a lot of argument against it. As far as 'speeding up what natural selection is doing anyway,' the problem with trait selection within embryos is when you start getting into the specifics of what qualifies as 'inevitable evolutionary characteristics,' and what makes our species 'better.'

Some may believe that getting rid of all diseases is a reasonable thing to choose to select for, while others may want a certain hair or skin color, and even others may desire higher intelligence.

As if we didn't have enough of a problem as it is with discrimination. Or even worse, as my question above half-jokingly addresses an issue, what happens in a truly homogeneous society?



Take it easy.

I have something that is genetically transferred. If my genetic line was terminated, would that be good or bad for the species in general?
 
2012-05-07 01:46:04 PM
I was wondering when we would get to this point
 
2012-05-07 01:47:41 PM
If you are paying tens of thousands of dollars to have a a kid that originated in a petri dish, it's just quality control in my mind.
 
2012-05-07 01:49:05 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Wouldn't it be funny if Santorum's youngest daughter came out as gay? The one that he refused to have aborted?


She'll be dead long before she chooses her sexual orientation.
 
2012-05-07 01:49:48 PM

The Shatner Incident: If you are paying tens of thousands of dollars to have a a kid that originated in a petri dish, it's just quality control in my mind.


OMG HITLER!!!
 
2012-05-07 01:50:11 PM

Donnchadha: Gattaca! Gattaca! Gattaca!



Did you cough up a hairball?
 
2012-05-07 01:51:32 PM
I'd prefer to do it the old fashioned way. Impregnate as many women as possible, then choose the kid that turns out best to acknowledge.
 
2012-05-07 01:51:41 PM
FTFA:

Bioinformatic studies have identified genes contributing to athletic performance, intelligence, height, myopia, mental health, homosexuality, and artistic talent.
Children's attributes are limited by their parent's genetic contributions and rearing environment,


So let me get this "straight," according to this article is homosexuality due to genetics or "rearing?"

// Probably lots and lots of rearing going on in the gay community, which might make this harder to answer...
 
2012-05-07 01:52:29 PM
So right wingers are admitting homosexuality isn't a choice?

/dnrtfa
 
2012-05-07 01:52:41 PM

whyRpeoplesostupid: Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?

Are you Hilter?


cinema1544.files.wordpress.com
Shut your cake-hole, you Nazi!
 
2012-05-07 01:53:05 PM

Cythraul: Or even worse, as my question above half-jokingly addresses an issue, what happens in a truly homogeneous society?


Well.... the first question to ask is whether it would be homogeneous. Why would the two of us select all the same traits?

Take height... short people use less resources and live longer. Tall people are more likely to be chosen for leadership positions. Which would you choose?

I don't believe that being given full control over the genetic makeup of future progeny, as long as each existing human gets to modify their own offspring, will necessarily end up with homogeneity.
 
2012-05-07 01:53:33 PM
FTA: Careful administration of follicle stimulating hormone can stimulate ovaries to produce as many as 70 mature eggs at once.

I thought women are born with a fixed amount of eggs (400?) and they take their turns to come out. Can a woman "produce" more eggs, or is it a poor choice of word on the author's part?
 
2012-05-07 01:54:46 PM

The Shatner Incident: If you are paying tens of thousands of dollars to have a a kid that originated in a petri dish, it's just quality control in my mind.


And with the number of slack-jaws, yokels and hill-billies out there breeding like diseaded rabbits, what kind of difference is this brand of 'quality control' supposed to make?

In order for a few test-tube babies to make a difference, we need to also start routinely sterilizing people with fewer teeth than toes.
 
2012-05-07 01:55:50 PM

Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?


Read Amendments 211, 212, and 213 to the Constitution,

/Vonnegut reference.
 
2012-05-07 01:56:10 PM

keli_kitty: FTA: Careful administration of follicle stimulating hormone can stimulate ovaries to produce as many as 70 mature eggs at once.

I thought women are born with a fixed amount of eggs (400?) and they take their turns to come out. Can a woman "produce" more eggs, or is it a poor choice of word on the author's part?


You are correct. The hormone does not "produce" the eggs. It's more like the hormones "weaponize them" and get them suited up for deployment.
 
2012-05-07 01:58:00 PM

Mugato: Hitler really put the kibosh on the whole eugenics thing (as well as that mustache style) and turned everyone off to it but as a function of making our species better and speeding up what natural selection is going to do anyway.....there's little argument against it.


You think the mustache is bad? Try having the last name Hitler. It was a fairly common one prior to WWII.
 
2012-05-07 01:58:46 PM

chaosweaver: The Shatner Incident: If you are paying tens of thousands of dollars to have a a kid that originated in a petri dish, it's just quality control in my mind.

And with the number of slack-jaws, yokels and hill-billies out there breeding like diseaded rabbits, what kind of difference is this brand of 'quality control' supposed to make?

In order for a few test-tube babies to make a difference, we need to also start routinely sterilizing people with fewer teeth than toes.


If i recall correctly, that is where most Eugenics initiatives have lead. It is also the point where most people can seem to agree that the line has been crossed.
 
2012-05-07 01:58:50 PM

Leeds: FTFA:

Bioinformatic studies have identified genes contributing to athletic performance, intelligence, height, myopia, mental health, homosexuality, and artistic talent.
Children's attributes are limited by their parent's genetic contributions and rearing environment,

So let me get this "straight," according to this article is homosexuality due to genetics or "rearing?"

// Probably lots and lots of rearing going on in the gay community, which might make this harder to answer...


encrypted-tbn3.google.com

Rearing, it's why cowboys are gay.
 
2012-05-07 01:59:02 PM
Leeds
So let me get this "straight," according to this article is homosexuality due to genetics or "rearing?"

I was able to discipline my children from being brunettes into being blondes, so I would reasonably assume that sexual orientation is similarly a product of child rearing.

/tee tee hee. Rearing.
 
2012-05-07 01:59:06 PM

Leeds: keli_kitty: FTA: Careful administration of follicle stimulating hormone can stimulate ovaries to produce as many as 70 mature eggs at once.

I thought women are born with a fixed amount of eggs (400?) and they take their turns to come out. Can a woman "produce" more eggs, or is it a poor choice of word on the author's part?

You are correct. The hormone does not "produce" the eggs. It's more like the hormones "weaponize them" and get them suited up for deployment.


Weaponized ovum?

/Everyone down! She's launching the vaj-cannon!
 
2012-05-07 01:59:12 PM
Is this the thread where we all accuse each other of being Hitler?

J'ACCUSE!!!!!
 
2012-05-07 01:59:57 PM

chaosweaver: The Shatner Incident: If you are paying tens of thousands of dollars to have a a kid that originated in a petri dish, it's just quality control in my mind.

And with the number of slack-jaws, yokels and hill-billies out there breeding like diseaded rabbits, what kind of difference is this brand of 'quality control' supposed to make?

In order for a few test-tube babies to make a difference, we need to also start routinely sterilizing people with fewer teeth than toes.


I'm just saying it's a personal, emotional thing. If you are spending mad money to have a child, the last thing you would want is a kid that is destined to die young or have severe physical defects due to genetics. I wasn't going for the new world order point of view. Smart people have dumb kids and dumb parents have smart kids everyday.
 
2012-05-07 02:00:46 PM

Mugato: Cythraul: Mugato: Hitler really put the kibosh on the whole eugenics thing (as well as that mustache style) and turned everyone off to it but as a function of making our species better and speeding up what natural selection is going to do anyway.....there's little argument against it.

Little argument against it? Seems to me like there would be a lot of argument against it. As far as 'speeding up what natural selection is doing anyway,' the problem with trait selection within embryos is when you start getting into the specifics of what qualifies as 'inevitable evolutionary characteristics,' and what makes our species 'better.'

Some may believe that getting rid of all diseases is a reasonable thing to choose to select for, while others may want a certain hair or skin color, and even others may desire higher intelligence.

As if we didn't have enough of a problem as it is with discrimination. Or even worse, as my question above half-jokingly addresses an issue, what happens in a truly homogeneous society?


Take it easy.

I have something that is genetically transferred. If my genetic line was terminated, would that be good or bad for the species in general?


That's going to depend on what you are transferring and the chances of it being passed along to your descendants, quality of life for those who have the same thing, etc. I had genetic screening a few years back and found out I have the Ccr5 delta32 mutation. That's a good thing. Some mutations that are genetically transferred can actually save your life.
 
2012-05-07 02:00:47 PM
There's a competitive survival advantage to simply being an aberration.

Take, for example, the left-handed fencer or batter. Let's presume that there is no fundamental superiority of the left-handed brain, it's just the same thing in a mirror image.

Only about 10% of the population is left-handed. Thus a left-handed fencer will have 90% of his experience against right-handed opponents and know how to fight them, but a right-handed fencer will only face a left-handed fencer 10% of the time and will have little experience in this mode.

7 of the 16 top fencers in the world are left-handed, so it basically approaches an equilibrium in the upper leagues. That is, due to this effect, left-handers chew up right-handers due to their experience advantage, until the top ranks where both left-handers and right-handers fight top same-hand and mixed-hand opponents on a 50/50 basis.

In the same way, a left-handed pitcher may confuse both left- AND right-handed batters equally. Regardless of the handedness of the batter, even if they spend weeks training against left-handed pitchers, the bulk of their experience will be with right-handed pitchers and there will be an advantage to the pitcher. This advantage isn't negated against a left-handed batter. The left-handed batter has little experience against left-handed pitchers, but the pitcher still has less experience against left-handed batters.

It's not so much about putting yourself at an advantage, it's about putting the "common" handedness at a disadvantage.
 
2012-05-07 02:01:03 PM
Right now this technology is expensive and only the very rich can take advantage.
But it wont be this way forever. within decades the upper middle class will have access to it and soon there the actual middle class.

Once this happens the snowball will get started with the easy things, fatal genetic defects (why would you bring a living thing into the world to suffer? the argument will go).

Then it will get expanded to less fatal but still "bad" genetic "defects" such as diabetes, or slow metabolisms and gland issues that will inevitably cause morbid obesity. Still an easy argument for doing genetic screening, why would you want offspring that will get sick with something, when you can prevent it even before they are born?

Then little by little the less easy traits will start to get consideration...height, intelligence, bad vision. We ALREADY takes steps to correct these "issues". If a kid is in the bottom 5% for height insurance will growth hormone treatment. Its a valid quality of life issue. Same with contacts and eventually lasik... And dont we spend trillions educating our kids and stimulating them intellectually so they are more intelligent?

This is inevitable.
 
2012-05-07 02:02:29 PM

Chigau: chaosweaver: The Shatner Incident: If you are paying tens of thousands of dollars to have a a kid that originated in a petri dish, it's just quality control in my mind.

And with the number of slack-jaws, yokels and hill-billies out there breeding like diseaded rabbits, what kind of difference is this brand of 'quality control' supposed to make?

In order for a few test-tube babies to make a difference, we need to also start routinely sterilizing people with fewer teeth than toes.

If i recall correctly, that is where most Eugenics initiatives have lead. It is also the point where most people can seem to agree that the line has been crossed.


Exactly. And now imagine that someone like Rick Santorum gets elected into a position to control that program.
 
2012-05-07 02:03:43 PM

Leeds: FTFA:

Bioinformatic studies have identified genes contributing to athletic performance, intelligence, height, myopia, mental health, homosexuality, and artistic talent.
Children's attributes are limited by their parent's genetic contributions and rearing environment,

So let me get this "straight," according to this article is homosexuality due to genetics or "rearing?"

// Probably lots and lots of rearing going on in the gay community, which might make this harder to answer...


They're missing a third, possibility more important element: hormones in the womb. As a woman bears more male children, each successive son has a higher chance of being gay. It's been traced to changes in womb hormones as more sons are born. It's probably something to do with increasing the number of helpers and adoptive parents available to therefore increase the likelihood of child survival on a tribe or extended family level.

Sorry folks, your son still might be gay no matter how you tweak the genes.
 
2012-05-07 02:04:30 PM

Silly Jesus: The My Little Pony Killer: Wouldn't it be funny if Santorum's youngest daughter came out as gay? The one that he refused to have aborted?

She'll be dead long before she discloses her sexual orientation.


FTFY
 
2012-05-07 02:05:22 PM
We'll end up creating a bunch of genetic supermen who'll try to take over the world. You mark my words....
 
2012-05-07 02:05:54 PM
Personally I think this is a step in the right direction. Why should we leave it the outcome of our lineage to be left up to chance when we can intelligently guide it and produce more healthy, resillient, intelligent and athletic children?

As it is now, our current trajectory is somewhere between the dystopian futures of Wall-E and Idiocracy.
 
2012-05-07 02:06:26 PM

spicorama: Right now this technology is expensive and only the very rich can take advantage.
But it wont be this way forever. within decades the upper middle class will have access to it and soon there the actual middle class.

Once this happens the snowball will get started with the easy things, fatal genetic defects (why would you bring a living thing into the world to suffer? the argument will go).

Then it will get expanded to less fatal but still "bad" genetic "defects" such as diabetes, or slow metabolisms and gland issues that will inevitably cause morbid obesity. Still an easy argument for doing genetic screening, why would you want offspring that will get sick with something, when you can prevent it even before they are born?

Then little by little the less easy traits will start to get consideration...height, intelligence, bad vision. We ALREADY takes steps to correct these "issues". If a kid is in the bottom 5% for height insurance will growth hormone treatment. Its a valid quality of life issue. Same with contacts and eventually lasik... And dont we spend trillions educating our kids and stimulating them intellectually so they are more intelligent?

This is inevitable.


www.sirlin.net
 
2012-05-07 02:06:41 PM

angrymacface: We'll end up creating a bunch of genetic supermen who'll try to take over the world. You mark my words....


What are you... Hitler?
 
2012-05-07 02:07:26 PM
oh yea, and
pics.livejournal.com
approves
 
2012-05-07 02:07:55 PM

chaoswolf: I don't believe that being given full control over the genetic makeup of future progeny, as long as each existing human gets to modify their own offspring, will necessarily end up with homogeneity.


It's mostly going to be used for disease prevention, I'd bet. Most people aren't actually all that dickish and are willing to let their kid have whatever hair color or height they want, but now that we can screen for them honestly I'd call intentionally having a kid with a severe genetic disorder pretty severe child abuse.

I mean, the designer children dicks will _exist_, in the same way that there are people that use cosmetic surgery to make themselves look like a cat, but honestly most of the human race is perfectly fine with the natural order so long as it doesn't actually place them at risk or dramatically inconvenience them.
 
2012-05-07 02:07:59 PM

Cythraul: flawless heterosexuals


May have a flaw there.
 
2012-05-07 02:08:01 PM

bandy: Silly Jesus: The My Little Pony Killer: Wouldn't it be funny if Santorum's youngest daughter came out as gay? The one that he refused to have aborted?

She'll be dead long before she chooses discloses her sexual orientation.

FTFY


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-05-07 02:08:40 PM

Cythraul: I wonder how world filled completely with beautiful, super-intelligent, super-athletic, almost flawless heterosexuals would function?


Doucheopolous?
 
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