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(Investors Business Daily)   Right-wing blogodome outrage du jour for Monday, May 7: Obama congratulated newly elected French President Francois Hollande after his victory yesterday instead of nuking Paris and killing Jerry Lewis   (news.investors.com) divider line 51
    More: Obvious, President Obama, socialist leader, French Presidents, People of the United States, NATO summit, Nicolas Sarkozy, American nationalism, right-wing  
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2012-05-07 12:57:05 PM  
4 votes:

Tatsuma: Lucky LaRue: It's obvious. In electing a socialist, the French are directly opposing the desires of their German neighbors. You know what happened the last time France disobeyed Germany, right? And who fears the Germans more than anyone? You have to follow the *signs*, man, if you are going to get to the right conclusion!

What does Germany have to do with this?

According to the latest polls, 25% of Jews in France want to leave the country. There was an 'Immigration to Israel' fair on the same day it was confirmed that Hollande was gonna win, and more than 5,000 Jews showed up. According to the group organizing this, they never had so many people come on a single day, and so many requests by phone and email to start immigration process to Israel.


api.ning.com
2012-05-07 12:53:58 PM  
3 votes:
How dare the French not listen to Republicans in America when it comes to running their country?!
2012-05-07 12:41:05 PM  
3 votes:
the exodus of its Jewish community kicks into high gear.

hahahaha what the fark
2012-05-07 05:23:51 PM  
2 votes:

Tatsuma: Look, 40-50% is perfectly acceptable to me, even if it would have a negative impact on the economy, but 75% is just absolutely and completely ridiculous.


There has never been a single example of a high tax on the wealthy having a negative impact on any economy. The economy goes to hell when the middle-class is taxed. The rich will continue spending money no matter what, given that they don't have all that "losing their homes" and "watching their children starve" stuff to worry about. When the middle class feels the squeeze, they immediately stop spending, and national economies grind to a halt.
2012-05-07 05:19:19 PM  
2 votes:
HOW DARE OBAMA WORK CLOSELY WITH OUR ALLIES!!

History's. Greatest. Monster.
2012-05-07 03:31:04 PM  
2 votes:
I'm pretty sure Obama was going to congratulate whoever won.
2012-05-07 02:52:28 PM  
2 votes:

Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You didn't even read your own link. Please read it again.

Tax bracket of 75%

What am I not getting?


It's only on income above 1 million euros. Go look up "marginal" in the dictionary. One of the definitions probably applies to your intellect.
2012-05-07 02:50:41 PM  
2 votes:
Heh... Who could have guess that imposing harsh austerity measures to force the poor and middle classes to pay for the excesses and greed of the wealthy elite would result in them electing a Socialist?
2012-05-07 02:28:35 PM  
2 votes:

adamgreeney: Tatsuma: adamgreeney: And I will say, while I disagree with you on everything (other than the Whedon love and Fallout love), I really don't doubt that you oppose the fascist parties. That makes sense. I just dont get who you would rather have seen elected.

Well, all choices were bad, but I guess the default Sarkozy was the 'best of the worst'.

I am not a big Sarko fan at all, but the last thing France needs is what Hollande is about to unleash on them.

Hmmmm. Interesting. I think, worst case, we will see full on socialist policies take a hold and there will be a good case to be made as to how well they work. Personally, I think they will.


It's pretty much been proven that the farked chicken in this room is austerity. It's a shiatty economic policy touted by right wing morons, billionaires and the idiots that worship them. I agree with you; I think we'll see some damned interesting developments in France. This is quite the turn-a-round from the global right wing surge of 2010. I hope it spreads.
2012-05-07 12:50:58 PM  
2 votes:

Tatsuma: mrshowrules: What libertarian/capitalist sanctuary are they going to where they will be better off?

Almost everywhere else will be better than France. France is dying, and the French just elected the worst man that they could possibly elect.

/Because, well, Marine is a woman fascist in a dress.


You need to see the emails I was getting from her campaign prior to her defeat. Jesus.
2012-05-07 11:44:49 AM  
2 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: Jackson Herring: More like Fartcois Hollande am I right

Comrade Fartcois al-Hollande


==

More like ChairMao Fartcois al-Hollendaise
2012-05-08 09:16:49 AM  
1 votes:

Zerochance: heavymetal: Bucky Katt: Calling the winner is pretty routine. Why complain about routine stuff? You know what else is routine? Pissing. Pretty soon they'll be complaining every time Obama visits the men's room.

They pretty much are. President Obama renewed a maritime treaty with Russia regarding sea routes through the Aleutian Islands which his predecessors all did also (including Ronald Reagan); and later I see my right wing friends posting right wing blogs accusing President Obama ceding our sovereignty to Russia.

President Obama also signed an updated version of the National Preparedness Act, first created in response to pre WWII tensions in Europe, and every president since has also. Well afterwards my right wing friends start posting blogs claiming it is his first step in enslaving the populace.

They are probably already writing "fabricating" an article at the World Nut Daily stating that President Obama's turds are errily in the shape of the Muslim Crescent Moon symbol.

This. And the biggest problem with this is when Republicans are constantly crying wolf, they are desensitizing both the press and the voting public to the things Obama should be criticized about.

What the Republican party should be doing is presenting feasible ideas on how they can make things better, rather than continuously try to portray Obama as the worst president in history based on outlandish crybaby bullshiat like this. They won't, because they have an enraged, irrational base that pretty much wants to see the dude swinging from a tree, but it's just what they should do.

For example, I think Obama would have a hard time explaining why the Patriot Act and the suspension of Habeas Corpus are still standing when he was adamant that the intel for his greatest success in foreign policy - the OBL kill - was obtained without any of these things. I think this is something that a party that was genuinely pro "small government" could easily dig into.


Probably because despite it being a legitimate criticism, they agree with the policy and want it in place when "their team" takes power. But yes, they make it hard to actually focus on real criticisms with their paranoid derp.
2012-05-08 08:49:29 AM  
1 votes:

heavymetal: Bucky Katt: Calling the winner is pretty routine. Why complain about routine stuff? You know what else is routine? Pissing. Pretty soon they'll be complaining every time Obama visits the men's room.

They pretty much are. President Obama renewed a maritime treaty with Russia regarding sea routes through the Aleutian Islands which his predecessors all did also (including Ronald Reagan); and later I see my right wing friends posting right wing blogs accusing President Obama ceding our sovereignty to Russia.

President Obama also signed an updated version of the National Preparedness Act, first created in response to pre WWII tensions in Europe, and every president since has also. Well afterwards my right wing friends start posting blogs claiming it is his first step in enslaving the populace.

They are probably already writing "fabricating" an article at the World Nut Daily stating that President Obama's turds are errily in the shape of the Muslim Crescent Moon symbol.


This. And the biggest problem with this is when Republicans are constantly crying wolf, they are desensitizing both the press and the voting public to the things Obama should be criticized about.

What the Republican party should be doing is presenting feasible ideas on how they can make things better, rather than continuously try to portray Obama as the worst president in history based on outlandish crybaby bullshiat like this. They won't, because they have an enraged, irrational base that pretty much wants to see the dude swinging from a tree, but it's just what they should do.

For example, I think Obama would have a hard time explaining why the Patriot Act and the suspension of Habeas Corpus are still standing when he was adamant that the intel for his greatest success in foreign policy - the OBL kill - was obtained without any of these things. I think this is something that a party that was genuinely pro "small government" could easily dig into.
2012-05-08 08:18:32 AM  
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: Calling the winner is pretty routine. Why complain about routine stuff? You know what else is routine? Pissing. Pretty soon they'll be complaining every time Obama visits the men's room.


They pretty much are. President Obama renewed a maritime treaty with Russia regarding sea routes through the Aleutian Islands which his predecessors all did also (including Ronald Reagan); and later I see my right wing friends posting right wing blogs accusing President Obama ceding our sovereignty to Russia.

President Obama also signed an updated version of the National Preparedness Act, first created in response to pre WWII tensions in Europe, and every president since has also. Well afterwards my right wing friends start posting blogs claiming it is his first step in enslaving the populace.

They are probably already writing "fabricating" an article at the World Nut Daily stating that President Obama's turds are errily in the shape of the Muslim Crescent Moon symbol.
2012-05-08 12:43:12 AM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Patterson: Ouf...ma conjugaison fait dûr un peut...

Operatif polique. 'Facile de'. 'habiter la France'. 'qu'on aille'. 'fait dûr un peut.'


C'est un desastre, pur et simple.


Tu sais, tu fais beaucoup de fautes toi-même. Si tu veux te vanter de ton français et critiquer la grammaire des autres, achète un Béscherelle et apprends à faire les accents. (Grâce à la loi de Murphy, j'ai probablement fait au moins une faute moi-même, mais ce n'est pas moi qui me présente comme expert en langue et politique française.)

You assume the "best and brightest" will leave because you assume they all share your extreme paranoia of all things "socialist" (not to mention your apparent misunderstanding of how marginal tax rates work.) But many people with high incomes are fine living under what passes for socialism these days (which is more properly described as left-liberalism with a relatively strong commitment to the welfare state.) An educated (and well-fed and healthy) populace and well-developed infrastructure are far more important factors in attracting the kinds of businesses that increase national prosperity than are low tax rates. Many people are fine with paying taxes so long as they see the taxes going to health care, educations, pensions, etc. They get grumpy if they think they're being spent the wrong way. And conservative governments are often the most fiscally irresponsible; they're committed to cutting taxes, and often do so before addressing spending. They then find that even with austerity programs, they can't cut spending as much as they want (especially since they often embrace expensive budget items like the military, bein "tough on crime" and imprisoning lots of people, etc.) conservative governments often generate higher deficits than leftist ones Their spending cuts also throw people out of work, deepening recessions. Parties on the left, in contrast, embrace progressive taxation and argue taxes should be spent in ways that help the disadvantaged, stimulate the economy, improve education and health care, etc. They sometimes mess up too, but empirical evidence doesn't support the idea that right-wing governments are fiscally responsible and left-wing ones disastrous.

Personal incomes over €1M are very rare, so this tax is going to affect very few people. Even most "best and brightest" will never be affected, while the tax will raise revenue that properly invested could create more "best and brightest." Will some very highly-paid people leave? Maybe, though I doubt it will be many.

As for the situation of French Jews, it's hard to see how Hollande would be worse than Sarkozy. The increase in reports of anti-Semitism occurred under Sarkozy, and it's not hard to understand the most likely cause. Policies like the Burka ban, bans on praying in the street, and the stupid halal meat controversy have to be portrayed in neutral terms even of motivated by anti-Muslim sentiment: official secularism, concern about animal welfare or health and safety. But, surprise, religious Jews and kosher food get caught up in the same net. And it's Sarkozy who went after LePen's territory and voters by pushing these issues, not Hollande. Hollande has vowed to fight anti-Semitism and has said nothing that suggest he'll be hostile to Israel.
2012-05-07 10:34:53 PM  
1 votes:
Because Socialism is so much worse than Economic Rape and Warmongering...
2012-05-07 05:37:32 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: he wants to raise the income tax to 'the rich' by 75%

He wants to raise the top marginal rate on income over 1 million euros TO 75%

Jesus, at least do some research before you look like an idiot.


Bloody fark, i wish we had a candidate who would say that.

/also, look like an idiot?
2012-05-07 04:46:04 PM  
1 votes:

Cagey B: Tatsuma: /Because, well, Marine is a woman.

A National Front supporter. Shocking.


You want I should teach you how to say "Why do liberals hate strong conservative women?" in French?

Here it is: "Pourquoi les communists ont-ils peur d'une conservatrice dure?"

I had to use communist instead of liberal because in France les libéraux are reactionary free-enterprise-loving conservatives and communists are gung-ho on "liberalism" and old school trade-unionism. Socialist would also work, though, because French Liberals are as stupid as American Conservatives.

The French word "dure" means hard (feminine form) or hard-ass or similar things.

That may explain why liberal men don't like bull dykes, er, strong conservative women much.

Besides that fact that any National Front woman who is described as "dure" would be a foaming-at-the-mouth Fascist that makes Nietzche's Nazi sister and her Nazi husband look like Sainte Bernadette and Saint Martin de Tours.

Thank God the Socialist won. Nothing will change.

(Millions of people are saying that in France today, unless they got it out of their systems earlier in the week. You don't have to be French to understand this, although it helps. Even being one tenth French ought to be sufficient if you have la logique française, which is like no other logic in the world.)

As for the FN, they have a natural constituency in the Poujadiste lower middle classes and peasants of France. They amount to about 20% of the population and probably always will. This is the same 20% of the population in any country of the world that are racist, bigoted, xenophobic, illiberal and whinging constantly about how good it would be to have a strong man in power to crush their enemies, which is to say the minorities, which oddly form the other 80% or 85% of the population.

These are the people who think that their little town is 75% foreigners, when the real number is close to 5%. These are the people who really do believe that black people are the source of all their problems despite the fact that 1) they don't know any black people; 2) they are manifestly problems in and of and for themselves and 3) there's plenty of evidence the white majority is the source of all of its own problems--the black people are too busy causing themselves problems to worry about your sorry arse.

In France you don't have to be black to be a nègre and you don't have to be white to be French, although it is pretty much a perquisite for being a member of the FN.

Oddly enough, France is perhaps the one country in the world where being a Protestant is even more devious than being a Jew, although a lot of peasants don't know the difference and don't care. Hence their national hatred of les Anglo-Saxons, which is pretty much French for Jews except when it isn't.

This is where French logic starts to get mind-bendingly quantum mechanical and relativistic. Unless you can picture a five-dimensional object in three kinds of time, you might want to give it a pass. Just shrug your shoulders. Even the French have no idea what they mean.
2012-05-07 04:09:55 PM  
1 votes:
BTW France is very different from the US in many ways that don't get talked about much, like that their best college, which is one of the grandes ecoles, is basically a school for civil servants. If you happen to be smart enough to get into the École Normale Supérieure then you are expected to spend ten years working for the civil service. Now while you're a student and seen as a civil servant in training you get a stipend, so not only isn't there tuition you in effect are paid to be a student. Now think of what this says about the French attitudes towards what smart people should do, education, civil service and other things.
2012-05-07 04:03:31 PM  
1 votes:
I like that the article went on to point out how many of the US deaths in Afghanistan happened under Obama's watch, ignoring the fact that Bush was focused on Iraq, and Obama got out of Iraq and focused on Afghanistan instead. Of course the casualties are going up. Still not as many per year as under Bush overall.
2012-05-07 03:30:52 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: dumbobruni: says the guy who doesn't understand Hollande's tax plans

Yeah, except he said he would raise the income tax of the rich to 75%


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2012-05-07 03:14:54 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.

Rich people in Europe tend to not be very much like rich people in the US. A few years back a bunch of wealthy Germans got together and wanted a wealth tax to be instated to raise extra revenue for social programs, education and ecological programs. Their thinking was, since they're wealthy they don't care about an extra tax and more to the point it is their responsibility because of their wealth to see to it others are taken care of.


wealthy French people already asked for their taxes to go up

Link
2012-05-07 03:12:00 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.


Rich people in Europe tend to not be very much like rich people in the US. A few years back a bunch of wealthy Germans got together and wanted a wealth tax to be instated to raise extra revenue for social programs, education and ecological programs. Their thinking was, since they're wealthy they don't care about an extra tax and more to the point it is their responsibility because of their wealth to see to it others are taken care of.
2012-05-07 03:05:39 PM  
1 votes:
With any luck Americans will learn something from our French comrades.

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2012-05-07 02:53:23 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: I personally congratulate France for voting against their best interests, and choosing to further what will be dire economical and social unrest while their best and brightest natives leave for America and other European countries, and the exodus of its Jewish community kicks into high gear.


You know who else wanted all the Jews out of France?
2012-05-07 02:52:19 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You didn't even read your own link. Please read it again.

Tax bracket of 75%

What am I not getting?


its 75% of income above €1mm

all income below would be at the existing top rate of 41%

do you not understand how french income tax works?
2012-05-07 02:50:04 PM  
1 votes:

unlikely: Does this mean I have to wear a beret now?


No, it means you get to.
2012-05-07 02:49:57 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: dumbobruni: says the guy who doesn't understand Hollande's tax plans

Yeah, except he said he would raise the income tax of the rich to 75%


Plus, that doesn't change the fact that you're still completely clueless regarding French Jews.

adamgreeney: Isn't the raise only on income over a million euros? I think the 75% will end up at 40-50%, which I think will be a good thing. I imagine his rhetoric is much like politics anywhere. He talks big, but will be forced to the center on most things.

Look, 40-50% is perfectly acceptable to me, even if it would have a negative impact on the economy, but 75% is just absolutely and completely ridiculous.

Anyone who wants to start a business and succeed will simply pack up his bags and go somewhere else.


Like israel

2012 income tax highest bracket 48%
health care tax 10%
VAT 16%

libertarian paradise

yes I know about incentives for returning or new immigrants. Just means the people already there have to pay more to support new comers (leeches).
2012-05-07 02:44:29 PM  
1 votes:
C'est un bon fromage.
2012-05-07 02:38:17 PM  
1 votes:
Seriously, think back on all the paranoid political ramblings that this guy has posted...has any of it been correct? Ever?

Does any thinking person truly believe that France is now doomed? This is warmed over bullshiat from an ass-chapped right winger.
2012-05-07 02:37:39 PM  
1 votes:

sweetmelissa31: Pharque-it: Some parts of the US already do look like that....

Thanks to Presidebt Fartcois Hussein Fartbama


The president so nice you farted him twice
2012-05-07 02:34:05 PM  
1 votes:

trotsky: adamgreeney: Tatsuma: adamgreeney: And I will say, while I disagree with you on everything (other than the Whedon love and Fallout love), I really don't doubt that you oppose the fascist parties. That makes sense. I just dont get who you would rather have seen elected.

Well, all choices were bad, but I guess the default Sarkozy was the 'best of the worst'.

I am not a big Sarko fan at all, but the last thing France needs is what Hollande is about to unleash on them.

Hmmmm. Interesting. I think, worst case, we will see full on socialist policies take a hold and there will be a good case to be made as to how well they work. Personally, I think they will.

It's pretty much been proven that the farked chicken in this room is austerity. It's a shiatty economic policy touted by right wing morons, billionaires and the idiots that worship them. I agree with you; I think we'll see some damned interesting developments in France. This is quite the turn-a-round from the global right wing surge of 2010. I hope it spreads.


That's what I expect to see. It will be rough since the rich will spend more money opposing it than they would just paying the new proposed taxes, but I bet we see France improve far ahead of England, Greece, et all.
2012-05-07 02:27:29 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: sweetmelissa31: It would be in their best interest, which I know all about, having been to the Eiffel Tower.

I know you are joking around, but this is literally how many Farkers think. Except they have not even been to the Eiffel Tower, but saw pictures and watched Amelie


Well then, thank God the 1% of the French population who are Jews have you to speak for them. Or rather, the Orthodox ones (who I'd wager are more like .2%) who apparently think that Hollande is going to declare jihad on Jews because he has the audacity to admit there are more Muslims in France than Jews.

/Posting from Canada
//Bush gone yet?
2012-05-07 02:22:32 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: he wants to raise the income tax to 'the rich' by 75%


He wants to raise the top marginal rate on income over 1 million euros TO 75%

Jesus, at least do some research before you look like an idiot.
2012-05-07 02:20:56 PM  
1 votes:
It's kind of funny how much hair-wringing is going on about Hollande's victory. Look, he has to stick with fiscally responsible policies. He has no choice or he'll wreck France's economy and by extension, the Euro Zone. I mean, it's just crazy - it would be like the Republicans willfully trying to force the US to default on our debts in the face of all rational pleas against it.

Oh wait - that's a terrible, terrible example.
2012-05-07 02:12:03 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: make me some tea: Je viens de faire une declaration generale...mange ma bite.

Wah, tu peux utilise Google Translate? Impressionant!


I had 3 years of French class in high school and I have been there as well and would like to see more of France because it's a fascinating country to me. I'm not conversational in French, but I speak enough to get by.

No, I don't know specifics about what it's like to be a Jew in France, nor is that really something that concerns me atm, but I am very familiar with people being reactionary about perceived dangers that may or may not exist. Example: Liberals asserting that they were going to move to Canada or Europe when Bush was reelected in 2004.
2012-05-07 02:11:17 PM  
1 votes:
This isn't a Jewish question.

This was about how austerity caused a double-dip recession, and the French got sick of it. Remains to be seen if they can work their way out of it, but I wish them luck.
2012-05-07 02:09:30 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: I am not a big Sarko fan at all, but the last thing France needs is what Hollande is about to unleash on them.


Which is...what, exactly? More social services? THE HORROR
2012-05-07 02:07:44 PM  
1 votes:

adamgreeney: cameroncrazy1984: adamgreeney: I just dont get who you would rather have seen elected.

Especially since he basically agrees with everything Likud has been doing.

Exactly. It sounds like he's saying both sides are bad, which is fine, but he's also saying both are the worst options ever. So what could they have done? Even from Tats' view, it seems like France got the best option.


The only thing I can see in this thread where he says it'll be bad for France is that weird-ass statement that 25% of French Jews will be leaving. Which sounds a hell of a lot like what happened in 2004 when all the Dems left. Right? We all went to Canada, didn't we?
2012-05-07 01:42:51 PM  
1 votes:

make me some tea: Surprise, surprise. 25% of the population are alarmists. Funny how that happens.


Surprise surprise, quelqu'un qui ne parle pas Francais, qui ne connait pas de Juifs Francais, qui a tres probablement jamais visite la France, ou meme parler avec un Juif Francais, se croit capable d'evaluer ce que pense cette communite, et d'expliquer les raisons derrieres leurs opinions, et meme les ridiculiser!

Ce n'est pas stupide, c'est FARK.
2012-05-07 01:27:52 PM  
1 votes:

gilgigamesh: It was a little vague.


Don't worry. His unclear writing is somehow everyone else's fault.

Also, Likud and the National Front share a love of xenophobia and scapegoating, so it didn't seem that unbelievable that our favorite apologist would be a Le Pen supporter.
2012-05-07 01:07:44 PM  
1 votes:
Your blog should surrender and spare itself further humiliation
2012-05-07 01:04:12 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: Cagey B: A National Front supporter. Shocking.

I said that he was the worst man possible for the job.. because Marine is a woman. Meaning that Marine is worse, but not a man.

You not understanding something simple and coming to retarded conclusion? Shocking.


Oh! I didn't get it either. I thought you were saying people wouldn't vote for her because she is a woman.

It was a little vague.
2012-05-07 12:53:27 PM  
1 votes:

Tatsuma: /Because, well, Marine is a woman.


A National Front supporter. Shocking.
2012-05-07 12:46:07 PM  
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: the exodus of its Jewish community kicks into high gear.

hahahaha what the fark


It's obvious. In electing a socialist, the French are directly opposing the desires of their German neighbors. You know what happened the last time France disobeyed Germany, right? And who fears the Germans more than anyone? You have to follow the *signs*, man, if you are going to get to the right conclusion!
2012-05-07 12:11:38 PM  
1 votes:
Hourra! Pas plus la liberté frites!
2012-05-07 11:34:54 AM  
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: More like Fartcois Hollande am I right


Comrade Fartcois al-Hollande
2012-05-07 11:32:32 AM  
1 votes:
More like Fartcois Hollande am I right
2012-05-07 11:18:26 AM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well to be fair I blame every modern president for failing to kill Jerry Lee Lewis.


Jerry Lee Lewis??
2012-05-07 11:08:51 AM  
1 votes:
Well to be fair I blame every modern president for failing to kill Jerry Lee Lewis.
2012-05-07 11:00:36 AM  
1 votes:
Does this mean I have to wear a beret now?
 
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