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(Investors Business Daily)   Right-wing blogodome outrage du jour for Monday, May 7: Obama congratulated newly elected French President Francois Hollande after his victory yesterday instead of nuking Paris and killing Jerry Lewis   (news.investors.com) divider line 285
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2012-05-07 02:49:57 PM

Tatsuma: dumbobruni: says the guy who doesn't understand Hollande's tax plans

Yeah, except he said he would raise the income tax of the rich to 75%


Plus, that doesn't change the fact that you're still completely clueless regarding French Jews.

adamgreeney: Isn't the raise only on income over a million euros? I think the 75% will end up at 40-50%, which I think will be a good thing. I imagine his rhetoric is much like politics anywhere. He talks big, but will be forced to the center on most things.

Look, 40-50% is perfectly acceptable to me, even if it would have a negative impact on the economy, but 75% is just absolutely and completely ridiculous.

Anyone who wants to start a business and succeed will simply pack up his bags and go somewhere else.


Like israel

2012 income tax highest bracket 48%
health care tax 10%
VAT 16%

libertarian paradise

yes I know about incentives for returning or new immigrants. Just means the people already there have to pay more to support new comers (leeches).
 
2012-05-07 02:50:04 PM

unlikely: Does this mean I have to wear a beret now?


No, it means you get to.
 
2012-05-07 02:50:41 PM
Heh... Who could have guess that imposing harsh austerity measures to force the poor and middle classes to pay for the excesses and greed of the wealthy elite would result in them electing a Socialist?
 
2012-05-07 02:51:31 PM
Oh, in my Boobies I said 'by' instead of 'to'.

I obviously didn't mean the former. Sorry about the confusion.
 
2012-05-07 02:52:19 PM

Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You didn't even read your own link. Please read it again.

Tax bracket of 75%

What am I not getting?


its 75% of income above €1mm

all income below would be at the existing top rate of 41%

do you not understand how french income tax works?
 
2012-05-07 02:52:28 PM

Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You didn't even read your own link. Please read it again.

Tax bracket of 75%

What am I not getting?


It's only on income above 1 million euros. Go look up "marginal" in the dictionary. One of the definitions probably applies to your intellect.
 
2012-05-07 02:53:00 PM

Tatsuma: dumbobruni: says the guy who doesn't understand Hollande's tax plans

Yeah, except he said he would raise the income tax of the rich to 75%


Plus, that doesn't change the fact that you're still completely clueless regarding French Jews.

adamgreeney: Isn't the raise only on income over a million euros? I think the 75% will end up at 40-50%, which I think will be a good thing. I imagine his rhetoric is much like politics anywhere. He talks big, but will be forced to the center on most things.

Look, 40-50% is perfectly acceptable to me, even if it would have a negative impact on the economy, but 75% is just absolutely and completely ridiculous.

Anyone who wants to start a business and succeed will simply pack up his bags and go somewhere else.


I hate that "take my ball and go home" line, but you're probably right on this. That's why I doubt he'll go that big.

If he goes full on college-commie I think it'll go poorly. If he's sensible and socialist, I have hope.
 
2012-05-07 02:53:23 PM

Tatsuma: I personally congratulate France for voting against their best interests, and choosing to further what will be dire economical and social unrest while their best and brightest natives leave for America and other European countries, and the exodus of its Jewish community kicks into high gear.


You know who else wanted all the Jews out of France?
 
2012-05-07 02:54:44 PM

12349876: Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You didn't even read your own link. Please read it again.

Tax bracket of 75%

What am I not getting?

It's only on income above 1 million euros. Go look up "marginal" in the dictionary. One of the definitions probably applies to your intellect.


i'm guessing Tatsuma's next step is an argument of semantics of what counts as rich in France.
 
2012-05-07 02:55:37 PM

Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You didn't even read your own link. Please read it again.

Tax bracket of 75%

What am I not getting?


You inferred at the beginning of your numerous posts that he would raise taxes BY 75%. Another poster tried to clarify by saying, people who earn 1 Million Euros would be raised TO 75%. You defended what you said by posting a link trying to cement your claim.

Meaning if they were 30% and raised another 75% on top of that vs. 30% to 75%. There is a difference between the two

30% is an example and not intended to be accurate.
 
2012-05-07 02:55:42 PM

dumbobruni: Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You didn't even read your own link. Please read it again.

Tax bracket of 75%

What am I not getting?

its 75% of income above €1mm

all income below would be at the existing top rate of 41%

do you not understand how french income tax works?


And apparently it works pretty much the same as it does in the US:

The wealthiest taxpayers usually manage to cut their overall tax rate substantially. In France, the wealthiest 0.1% of taxpayers have an overall tax rate of 17.5%, according to the 2009 study.
 
2012-05-07 02:56:31 PM
This having to do with the French, I choose to believe that it is all about wine, and cheese.
 
2012-05-07 02:57:35 PM

QU!RK1019: You know who else wanted all the Jews out of France?


The funny thing? If you were to ask around you'd find a lot of rich French, including those covered by the proposed income tax hike having voted for Hollande.
 
2012-05-07 02:58:04 PM

adamgreeney: I hate that "take my ball and go home" line, but you're probably right on this. That's why I doubt he'll go that big.

If he goes full on college-commie I think it'll go poorly. If he's sensible and socialist, I have hope.


Taxation on small business owners in France is already bad as it is, something like that would be absolutely catastrophic.

I understand that it plays really well to the college-commie crowd, but this is absolutely the worst thing that the fragile French economy needs right now.

Then again, Angela Merkel must be celebrating, because soon another European country will be begging for help.
 
2012-05-07 02:58:43 PM
ITT a Jewish guy doesn't understand taxes.
 
2012-05-07 02:59:38 PM

Tatsuma: Then again, Angela Merkel must be celebrating, because soon another European country will be begging for help.


You keep saying this but refusing to provide evidence why, except for that lie that Hollande will raise taxes on rich people by 75%.
 
2012-05-07 03:02:55 PM

JusticeandIndependence: You inferred at the beginning of your numerous posts that he would raise taxes BY 75%.


Already covered that, that was an error, which is why I didn't understand why he was arguing with me

WhyteRaven74: The funny thing? If you were to ask around you'd find a lot of rich French, including those covered by the proposed income tax hike having voted for Hollande.


Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.
 
2012-05-07 03:03:02 PM
Rising nationalism may be a concern, but it is also the logical consequence of the attempts to homogenize Europe under the German Empire, or whatever they're calling it these days.
 
2012-05-07 03:03:57 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: Then again, Angela Merkel must be celebrating, because soon another European country will be begging for help.

You keep saying this but refusing to provide evidence why, except for that lie that Hollande will raise taxes on rich people by 75%.


Some guy told him things were going gangbusters at the Israeli immigration office. Evidence.
 
2012-05-07 03:05:39 PM
With any luck Americans will learn something from our French comrades.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-07 03:05:41 PM

QU!RK1019: You know who else wanted all the Jews out of France?


Apparently Israel and Tatsuma who think they should all move to Israel and use various scare tactics to encourage them.
 
2012-05-07 03:05:52 PM

Tatsuma: JusticeandIndependence: You inferred at the beginning of your numerous posts that he would raise taxes BY 75%.

Already covered that, that was an error, which is why I didn't understand why he was arguing with me

WhyteRaven74: The funny thing? If you were to ask around you'd find a lot of rich French, including those covered by the proposed income tax hike having voted for Hollande.

Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.


Fair enough. I didn't see the clarification. I apologize.

So Obama is a commie muslin mustard loving socialist then?
 
2012-05-07 03:06:56 PM

HotWingConspiracy: cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: Then again, Angela Merkel must be celebrating, because soon another European country will be begging for help.

You keep saying this but refusing to provide evidence why, except for that lie that Hollande will raise taxes on rich people by 75%.

Some guy told him things were going gangbusters at the Israeli immigration office. Evidence.


Well, you know, anecdotes are a KIND of data.
 
2012-05-07 03:07:48 PM

Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.


How many wealthy French voted for Hollande, then? Since you know the facts.
 
2012-05-07 03:08:23 PM

Tatsuma: I personally congratulate France for voting against their best interests, and choosing to further what will be dire economical and social unrest while their best and brightest natives leave for America and other European countries, and the exodus of its Jewish community kicks into high gear.


I Said: How dare the French not listen to Republicans in America when it comes to running their country?!

 
2012-05-07 03:08:58 PM
Facile de trouver l'opératif politique dans cette discussion...

Je vous donne une indice: C'est celui qui ce pense un expert sur la France et qui pense que le ciel nous tombe sur la tête constament.

/où sont vos accents?!
//Habite Montréal et à habiter la France
///n'est pas surpris qu'on aille élu un cadidat de la gauche
 
2012-05-07 03:10:09 PM

Patterson: Facile de trouver l'opératif politique dans cette discussion...

Je vous donne une indice: C'est celui qui ce pense un expert sur la France et qui pense que le ciel nous tombe sur la tête constament.

/où sont vos accents?!
//Habite Montréal et à habiter la France
///n'est pas surpris qu'on aille élu un cadidat de la gauche


Ouf...ma conjugaison fait dûr un peut...

"et a habité"
 
2012-05-07 03:11:59 PM

Patterson: Facile de trouver l'opératif politique dans cette discussion...


Operatif politique?

Alerte aux anglos.
 
2012-05-07 03:12:00 PM

Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.


Rich people in Europe tend to not be very much like rich people in the US. A few years back a bunch of wealthy Germans got together and wanted a wealth tax to be instated to raise extra revenue for social programs, education and ecological programs. Their thinking was, since they're wealthy they don't care about an extra tax and more to the point it is their responsibility because of their wealth to see to it others are taken care of.
 
2012-05-07 03:13:07 PM
i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-07 03:13:16 PM

Patterson: Ouf...ma conjugaison fait dûr un peut...


Operatif polique. 'Facile de'. 'habiter la France'. 'qu'on aille'. 'fait dûr un peut.'


C'est un desastre, pur et simple.
 
2012-05-07 03:13:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.

How many wealthy French voted for Hollande, then? Since you know the facts.


I hate to do work for trolls, but this interactive voting map may bring some insight as to who voted for who. You could maybe infer richer demographics depending on the region...but it doesn't seem to have detailed demographics info.

Voter map
 
2012-05-07 03:13:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: Then again, Angela Merkel must be celebrating, because soon another European country will be begging for help.

You keep saying this but refusing to provide evidence why, except for that lie that Hollande will raise taxes on rich people by 75%.



How disingenuous can you be? He clearly meant purse scents...under Hollande's tyrannical rule, the rich will be deprived of such olfactory delights as "unneutered house cat" and "menopausal sorrow".
 
2012-05-07 03:13:34 PM

WhyteRaven74: Rich people in Europe tend to not be very much like rich people in the US. A few years back a bunch of wealthy Germans got together and wanted a wealth tax to be instated to raise extra revenue for social programs, education and ecological programs. Their thinking was, since they're wealthy they don't care about an extra tax and more to the point it is their responsibility because of their wealth to see to it others are taken care of.


They're more Carnegie than Romney.
 
2012-05-07 03:14:54 PM

WhyteRaven74: Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.

Rich people in Europe tend to not be very much like rich people in the US. A few years back a bunch of wealthy Germans got together and wanted a wealth tax to be instated to raise extra revenue for social programs, education and ecological programs. Their thinking was, since they're wealthy they don't care about an extra tax and more to the point it is their responsibility because of their wealth to see to it others are taken care of.


wealthy French people already asked for their taxes to go up

Link
 
2012-05-07 03:15:40 PM

dumbobruni: WhyteRaven74: Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.

Rich people in Europe tend to not be very much like rich people in the US. A few years back a bunch of wealthy Germans got together and wanted a wealth tax to be instated to raise extra revenue for social programs, education and ecological programs. Their thinking was, since they're wealthy they don't care about an extra tax and more to the point it is their responsibility because of their wealth to see to it others are taken care of.

wealthy French people already asked for their taxes to go up

Link


But but a Jew in Israel said they would all leave! Are you saying he doesn't know what the f*ck he's talking about?

SAY IT AIN'T SO!
 
2012-05-07 03:18:26 PM

Patterson: cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.

How many wealthy French voted for Hollande, then? Since you know the facts.

I hate to do work for trolls, but this interactive voting map may bring some insight as to who voted for who. You could maybe infer richer demographics depending on the region...but it doesn't seem to have detailed demographics info.

Voter map


Check out the voter turnout on that map. 75%+ in every region. You could say that the people voted at least.
 
2012-05-07 03:18:49 PM
The French government appears to be incapable of protecting its Jewish citizenry. The election of an avowedly anti-Israeli government does little to increase confidence.Under the circumstances, their desire to move elsewhere seems understandable.

That was a bit of a threadjack, though, Tatsuma.
 
2012-05-07 03:19:26 PM

dumbobruni: wealthy French people already asked for their taxes to go up

Link


Yes, 16 French billionaires who said that its a good idea taxes should be raised by 3% on capital, and increase taxation on cigarettes and alcohol for a limited period of time until the economic crisis passes is really the equivalent of 'wealthy French people' and extremely similar to asking to a 75% income tax.
 
2012-05-07 03:20:45 PM

clambam: The French government appears to be incapable of protecting its Jewish citizenry. The election of an avowedly anti-Israeli government does little to increase confidence.Under the circumstances, their desire to move elsewhere seems understandable.

That was a bit of a threadjack, though, Tatsuma.


Well I think the worst thing that will come from that will be the growing resentment of the Arab population, and the resulting clashes, but that's a can of worm I prefer not to open.

Secularists will not be loved by them, even though they overwhelmingly voted for Hollande.
 
2012-05-07 03:21:45 PM

Tatsuma: Patterson: Facile de trouver l'opératif politique dans cette discussion...

Operatif politique?

Alerte aux anglos.


Pas de clavier francophone? T'as pas l'option de changer la langue dans les options? J'ai de la misère que l'on m'appelle un anglo sans utiliser les bons accents...Aussi, la phrase "alerte aux anglos" n'est pas vraiment une phrase commune.

Là je sais comment Tats ce sens quand il corrige les erreurs de conjugaison et d'usage en Hébreux. C'est vraiment un sentiment de pouvoir et de supériorité.

/idea for an alt!
 
2012-05-07 03:21:59 PM

clambam: The French government appears to be incapable of protecting its Jewish citizenry. The election of an avowedly anti-Israeli government does little to increase confidence.Under the circumstances, their desire to move elsewhere seems understandable.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-07 03:22:17 PM
Here's what I don't understand: for weeks I have been reading that the extreme right-wing in France had made great strides; the socialist actually wins. Why would this be skewed outside of France? I expect that sort of thing here where a close race means better ratings/more papers sold. But why was the press so wrong about the French election?
 
2012-05-07 03:22:47 PM

Patterson: Voter map


Hollande won Paris by 11.2%, daaaaammmnnnnn.

dumbobruni: wealthy French people already asked for their taxes to go up


Not surprising.
 
2012-05-07 03:23:22 PM
Ah!

Tu ne parles pas Francais, tu parles quebecois!
 
2012-05-07 03:24:14 PM

JusticeandIndependence: Patterson: cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.

How many wealthy French voted for Hollande, then? Since you know the facts.

I hate to do work for trolls, but this interactive voting map may bring some insight as to who voted for who. You could maybe infer richer demographics depending on the region...but it doesn't seem to have detailed demographics info.

Voter map

Check out the voter turnout on that map. 75%+ in every region. You could say that the people voted at least.


Yeah, makes me ashamed as a Canadian. Our voter turnouts tend to be really sad.
 
2012-05-07 03:24:19 PM

Tatsuma: is really the equivalent of 'wealthy French people' and extremely similar to asking to a 75% income tax.


I suspect they won't mind the increased income tax. They are in their own eyes loaded, and if it is needed, they can afford it.
 
2012-05-07 03:25:55 PM

WhyteRaven74: I suspect they won't mind the increased income tax. They are in their own eyes loaded, and if it is needed, they can afford it.


I am sure that's how it is in imaginary france, where people eat croissants all day and fight for liberty through poetry


Assez de conneries, je me casse.

/that means, enough with this shiat, I am off
 
2012-05-07 03:26:43 PM

Tatsuma: Secularists will not be loved by them, even though they overwhelmingly voted for Hollande.


Yeah they probably voted for him to as a personal appeal to Arabs. Makes sense.
 
2012-05-07 03:27:13 PM

Patterson: cameroncrazy1984: Tatsuma: Funny thing, that statement is not rooted in facts.

How many wealthy French voted for Hollande, then? Since you know the facts.

I hate to do work for trolls, but this interactive voting map may bring some insight as to who voted for who. You could maybe infer richer demographics depending on the region...but it doesn't seem to have detailed demographics info.

Voter map


mixed bag really, here's a map of French property prices.

Link

Paris is wealthy but voted for Hollande. same with the suburbs except for one (92-Sarkozy was a mayor in this area)

Yvelines is a UNP stronghold but went for Hollande. That's gotta hurt.

it appears that Toulouse voted Hollande, as did Gironde (Bordeaux wine country)
 
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