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2012-05-07 06:58:11 PM
I am late to the party, but, FTFA:
"A March 2012 Pew report, entitled "Social Networking Sites and Politics," found that 28 percent of liberals have "blocked, unfriended or hidden someone" on social-networking sites because of their political postings, compared with 16 percent of conservatives."

Yup. I can not count the number of "liberals" that have claimed to put me on ignore. (Yes, it is way higher than potato). I think there may have been one conservative, but I am not sure.

I put no one on ignore. I used to, then I realized:
1) It was cowardly
2) It did no good
3) I remembered that you can learn from anyone, even if it is just what your opponents think and use as ammunition in an argument. And sometime it can change your mind.

I have said it before, I will repeat it here.

I get far more tolerance for disagreement or new ideas from conservative/libertarian folks than from liberal/progressive folks. Both sides have absolutists that brook no dissent, but there are far more petite-tyrants on the left than the right.

I can, and have, discussed things like marijuana legalization (and other drugs), legalizing prostitution, reforming marriage laws to include same-sex couples, why I think the Boy Scouts is a disappointment as a youth organization, and even argued the legitimacy of atheism with them, and been treated with respect, even when we did not change each others views, and sometimes they will change.

Progressive are different. I get more resistance to drug reform from them, believe it or not. While drug law reformers seem to lean to the left, the left does not lean that way. When I propose legalizing marijuana I get all kinds of horrified looks from them. Legalizing prostitution is attacked as supporting trafficking in children and white slavery. Yes, they use that term and seem blind to the racism behind it.

This is true for so many issues it is stunning that anyone still thinks 'liberals' are, well, Liberal. They are anything but.

Conservatives certainly do not embrace change, but if you make a good enough argument they will change. Liberals just turn on the hate.
 
2012-05-07 07:02:20 PM

tomWright: Liberals just turn on the hate.


images.sodahead.com

The delusion is strong with this one.
 
2012-05-07 07:04:05 PM

Corporate Self: tomWright: Liberals just turn on the hate.

[images.sodahead.com image 350x300]

The delusion is strong with this one.


Thank you for supporting my argument
 
2012-05-07 07:09:11 PM

mrshowrules: IlGreven: mrshowrules: Good point. That didn't occur to me. I could see some of the more clever people indicating that Liberals are indeed the more fiscally conservative party

Well, it's a good thing there is no Liberal party in the United States. Maybe if you'd chosen Democratic Party, you'd've gotten that one right.

There is conservative party either we are going to be a whiny babies about it. The DNC is the liberal party of the US. GOP is the party of conservatives. Not my fault the US is a two party oligarchy.


The Democratic Party may be the "more liberal" of the two parties (for certain values of liberal), but it is by no means a liberal party, and hasn't been for at least since the middle of Clinton's presidency. (Y'know, the President that gave us NAFTA and the repeal of Glass-Steagal.)
 
2012-05-07 07:09:25 PM
From the article:

Liberals tend to explain policy disagreements by imputing evil motives like selfishness to conservatives, while conservatives (more charitably) tend to view liberals as well-meaning but misguided.

Farking NOPE.

NNNNNNNNNNNNOPE.

That's the baldest faced lie I've seen. They think liberals are Communist Satanists hell bent on raping all white Protestant children because socialism. Well, sure, maybe there's a healthy little chunk of Republicans that think liberals are misguided good guys, but god almighty, DO YOU EVEN WATCH FOX NEWS? They think there's a War on Christmas!

I mean, think about. You and I both know there's no war on Christmas. But what kind of person would outright declare war on Christmas? That's right. That's the kind of person they think liberals are.
 
2012-05-07 07:09:58 PM
Here's my poll that is about as comparable (I'm bored and am sure no one will read this):

1) Which party approves of murdering babies?
2) Which party is dumb enough to believe in Global Warming?
3) Which party believes in equality for everyone despite how black, muslim, or mexican they might be?
4) Which party wants to give free money and citizenship to border hoppers?
5) Which party wants to deprive you of your precious guns?
6) Which party is the most patriotic and authentically American?
7) Which party wants to deprive you of your freedom?
8) Which party broke the law by electing a non-American into office?
9) Which party would God vote for?
10) Which party wants to turn you gay?
11) Which party wants to persecute you for your religious beliefs?
12) Which party wants to take away your religious freedoms?
13) Which party is full of snobs who want to force their book learning on you and your kin?
14) Which party hates the rich and would take away all their money if they could?
15) Which party is filled with satanists hell-bent on corrupting your children?
16) Which party is more likely to smoke crack?
17) Which party's actions will result in the white race being out-bred?
18) Which party is going to save America and reinstate it to its former glory?
19) Which party is against traditional marriage?
20) Which party is better?

There's no propaganda, bias, or opinions in these questions :P.
 
2012-05-07 07:20:39 PM
her group is a right wing nut "think tank". Fark her.
 
2012-05-07 07:21:56 PM

aearra: her group is a right wing nut "think tank". Fark her.


c'mon man. you can show more hate than that.
 
2012-05-07 07:30:48 PM

PillsHere: Here's my poll that is about as comparable (I'm bored and am sure no one will read this):

1) Which party approves of murdering babies?
2) Which party is dumb enough to believe in Global Warming?
3) Which party believes in equality for everyone despite how black, muslim, or mexican they might be?
4) Which party wants to give free money and citizenship to border hoppers?
5) Which party wants to deprive you of your precious guns?
6) Which party is the most patriotic and authentically American?
7) Which party wants to deprive you of your freedom?
8) Which party broke the law by electing a non-American into office?
9) Which party would God vote for?
10) Which party wants to turn you gay?
11) Which party wants to persecute you for your religious beliefs?
12) Which party wants to take away your religious freedoms?
13) Which party is full of snobs who want to force their book learning on you and your kin?
14) Which party hates the rich and would take away all their money if they could?
15) Which party is filled with satanists hell-bent on corrupting your children?
16) Which party is more likely to smoke crack?
17) Which party's actions will result in the white race being out-bred?
18) Which party is going to save America and reinstate it to its former glory?
19) Which party is against traditional marriage?
20) Which party is better?

There's no propaganda, bias, or opinions in these questions :P.


1) Here or in foreign lands?
2) All of them?
3) Clearly Libertarian, the others are racist to one degree or other
4) All of them? Except the Libertarians, they don't want to give money to ANYONE
5) Well, in NYC, NJ, Ma, Ri, Il., HI., and a few other places, Democrat and Republican both. As well as Greens and various minor leftist parties.
6) None of them?
7) All of them? (Except the Libertarians, they can't be bothered)
8) See, I knew there was something wrong with how Swarzenegger got in. Not to mention Lautenberg.
9) Well, according to the Pope, probably the Democrats overall
10) If you limit that to public restrooms, republicans. If you include Broadway musicals, Democrats.
11) All of them? (Again, the Libertarians can't be bothered)
12) All of them? (Again, the Libertarians can't be bothered)
13) Which book? and which part of which book? Are we talking the New Testament Bible? Old testament? Which translation? Or is it Mao's Little Red Book, or The Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital, or Origen of Species, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Fear of Flying, You need to be specific here.
14) Definitely republicans. How else to defeat Soros, OWS and ANSWER?
15) Definitely Libertarians. Have you ever BEEN to one of their parties?
16) Definitely Libertarians. Have you ever BEEN to one of their parties?
17) Definitely Libertarians. Have you ever BEEN to one of their parties? Closely followed by the Greens. There is more mixed up farking in them, there is in Rule 34.
18) In truth: None. In their collective delusions? All of them
19) Definitely Libertarians. Have you ever BEEN to one of their parties?
20) The one with bare boobies and the best beer.
 
2012-05-07 07:39:44 PM

tomWright: [five pounds of derp in a two-pound bag]


Well, I suppose that's one way to completely undo the friendly debate we had yesterday.

[facepalm.jpg]
 
2012-05-07 07:42:42 PM
When I look at the tea party, well informed and tolerant are probably not the first two things that come to mind, but hey, I'm a biased, ignorant, college educated liberal.
 
2012-05-07 07:55:38 PM
Both obvious and obligatory:

blogs.attask.com
 
2012-05-07 08:00:18 PM

MachineHead: When I look at the tea party, well informed and tolerant are probably not the first two things that come to mind, but hey, I'm a biased, ignorant, college educated liberal.


Yeah but don't you know you're stereotyping and cherry picking....They really are an intellectual think tank, but that damn liberal media only focuses on the crazy ones.
 
2012-05-07 08:15:47 PM
The widest gap -- 30 points -- came on a question about which political party is "generally more supportive of reducing the size of federal government." Seventy-six percent of Republicans, but only 46 percent of Democrats, correctly named the GOP.

Would help if the GOP weren't so awful about reducing the size of the federal government. Massive rises during the Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush jr presidencies for instance do not help your case when they get smaller during the Clinton and Obama administrations.

So what do we end up? With a bunch of worthless talking points that are in no way related to any sort of political history or philosophy.
 
2012-05-07 08:16:26 PM

randomjsa: There's another study that basically tested to see if conservatives could correctly assess the views and opinions of liberals on a given subject, ie, did they really understand what the liberals were promoting? The answer yes by far and large.
On the the contrary, liberals failed epically to accurately state the views of conservatives.


It is so much easier to understand a well explained and coherent position. Even a Republican can do it!
 
2012-05-07 08:36:19 PM
The widest gap -- 30 points -- came on a question about which political party is "generally more supportive of reducing the size of federal government." Seventy-six percent of Republicans, but only 46 percent of Democrats, correctly named the GOP.

Why didn't she post the questions?

GIGO
 
2012-05-07 08:44:20 PM

tomWright: Corporate Self: tomWright: Liberals just turn on the hate.

[images.sodahead.com image 350x300]

The delusion is strong with this one.

Thank you for supporting my argument


I think your deluded? How is that hating?

Oh right, people who disagree with you are horrible evil people who deserve to die. Got it.
 
2012-05-07 09:26:19 PM
*Yawn*

An Authoritarian puppet with a degree is still an Authoritarian puppet.

Views

Kersten has criticized the University of Minnesota and other institutes of higher learning for having what she perceives to be a liberal bias.[2] She is a supporter of ROTC programs at the U of M.[3] She has also been a strong critic of Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy, which she argues is a religious Muslim school which should not be funded with taxpayer dollars.[4]

Kersten opposes gay marriage, which she has likened to a "perilous, slippery slope". She argues that "the primary purpose of marriage is to ensure the best environment for rearing the children born of male-female sexual acts" and that legalization of gay marriage may eventually lead to the legalization of polygamy as well.[5] She also opposes affirmative action for racial minorities and compared President Clinton's handling of the issue to "the Phil Donohue school of policy making. It may make us feel good about ourselves, but it's unlikely to make much of a dent in the problems we face."[6]

She has identified herself as a conservative feminist, arguing that women have suffered injustice and still do, that the solution rests on Western culture, and that the sexes must be equal although she also argues that perfection is humanly unattainable.[7][8]

Kersten has criticized Representative Keith Ellison's calls for a United States Department of Peace, arguing that the idea is unrealistic in a violent world.[9]

She has a very positive view of Wal-Mart and its impact on society, defending it against critics who argue that it hurts small business.[10]
 
2012-05-07 10:07:09 PM
"A March 2012 Pew report, entitled "Social Networking Sites and Politics," found that 28 percent of liberals have "blocked, unfriended or hidden someone" on social-networking sites because of their political postings, compared with 16 percent of conservatives."

I find that my conservative friends on social networking sites tend to post political commentary at a much higher rate than my centralist or liberal friends. Additionally, the conservative commentary tends to be more simplistic, inflammatory and factually incorrect. They're also more likely to engage in flame wars when their views are challenged. Also, I like to engage with people who can form their own opinions and not with people who want to debate whatever opinion they were spoon-fed from Fox News or Rush.

So of course I block their posts. Their political opinions are effing retarded and it clutters up my wall.


"The widest gap -- 30 points -- came on a question about which political party is "generally more supportive of reducing the size of federal government." Seventy-six percent of Republicans, but only 46 percent of Democrats, correctly named the GOP."

Depending on how you classify "size reduction", that may not be a factually correct statement. Slashing 20 or 30 departments doesn't count for much when you continue to increase the size of the DHS and DOD as the GOP has traditionally done. Both could gobble up those savings in a heartbeat.

Personally, I'd answer with "none of the above".


"According to Brooks, conservative-headed households give 30 percent more to charity than liberal-headed households, on average, although liberal families' incomes are higher."

Define "charity". I suspect that their study may be manipulating what constitutes a charity in order to make their numbers look better. Tithing to your church doesn't count IMHO. Of course, they probably exclude my donations to Planned Parenthood, regardless of the number of non-abortion services they provide.
 
2012-05-07 10:18:15 PM

tomWright: Corporate Self: tomWright: Liberals just turn on the hate.

[images.sodahead.com image 350x300]

The delusion is strong with this one.

Thank you for supporting my argument


If you consider that support for your argument, Corporate Self's statement is looking pretty accurate.
 
2012-05-08 12:49:38 AM

DarwiOdrade: Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.


Though this does leave the question of the education/political interaction implied.

EWreckedSean: Maybe there is a reason they trend the same...


Looks to hold up in the GSS, controlling for race and region, BTW.
Not so much controlling for (proxy) general intelligence, though.

randomjsa: But then this is what happens when you're confident in your world view and don't need to create a false image of an opposing world view in your mind to make what you believe or think seem better.


Actually, it's more that liberals don't comprehend placing emphasis on PURITY, AUTHORITY, and/or INGROUP; while conservatives do understand (but comparatively de-emphasize) FAIR and HARM.

Though there's some oversimplifications, there....

Mikey1969: After awhile, pointing to link after link that refutes the 3 or 4 links that the Right posts to reinforce a claim gets old and worn out.


Finally, selective exposure involves resisting persuasion by leaving the situation or actively tuning out the persuasive message (e.g., Brock & Balloun, 1967; Frey, 1986; Kleinhesselink & Edwards, 1975). - (doi:10.1207/S15324834BASP2502_5)

Mikey1969: The toaster would probably figure out the article before you would.


Hmmm....?

A seventh category was added, after an initial reading of the protocols, to account for the presence of an additional, unanticipated resistance strategy. This strategy, which we call assertions of confidence, involved asserting that nothing or no one could ever change one's opinion. (Ob cit.)

Mikey1969: Barry would kick these morons to the curb, and HE was considered an A-Hole in his day.


Cue:
www.fishink.us
 
2012-05-08 01:02:15 AM

tomWright: 3) I remembered that you can learn from anyone, even if it is just what your opponents think and use as ammunition in an argument. And sometime it can change your mind.


This presumes your opponents think.
I've used the ignore feature, once. In that case, the abuse had gotten too personal. The farker ended up getting a permaban in about six months, which solved the problem.
I approve of the attitude, though.

Enemabag Jones: Why didn't she post the questions?


Because she's too lazy to link to primary sources.
See earlier posts for Pew Research links.

Dinjiin: Additionally, the conservative commentary tends to be more simplistic, inflammatory and factually incorrect.


Hm.

Given k sources, optimal search value of reliability threshold for de-prioritizing a source to the back of the queue....
Also, "simplistic" isn't the same as "parsimonious".
 
2012-05-08 01:25:28 AM

EWreckedSean: Baryogenesis: EWreckedSean: As a private business owner, if I don't want to provide such things, why should I have to?

The go to excuse for private business since before children were getting limbs cut off by machinery in factories.

It's just terrible for you isn't it, the idea that people should be able to make their own decisions about their own property.


It's just terrible for you, the idea that some things are more important than property, you know, like people.
 
2012-05-08 02:33:34 AM
Was the "Obvious" tag on vacation because this is...well...obvious....
 
2012-05-08 02:38:43 AM
Conservatives are such martyrs. They wet themselves when liberals are rude.
 
2012-05-08 04:18:52 AM
RW think tank says what?

You don't say!

Love how this silly ditz thinks the modern Republican party still has something to do with conservatism.

As to the "which side wants smaller government:" thing? Aside from history showing the modern GOP being the party voted 'most likely to balloon the deficit' both sides have long recognized the need for cuts it's just that the Dems would like to do them reasonably, include defense cuts and lessen the need for draconian social service cuts by increasing taxes back up to saner levels. While the GOP want to only cut or destroy the social safety net, not touch defense while giving even more insane tax cuts.

Republicans are not more informed as to current events so much as they are more infrommed which is an entirely different thing altogether.

Between what they say they do and what they actually do there is a world of difference most days.
 
2012-05-08 04:43:09 AM
My only comment on the "unfriending on Facebook" thing is that, in my experience, my liberal friends occasionally post stories and editorials slamming conservatives and conservative policies, whereas my conservative friends obsessively post seething hatred of Obama and everything liberal and nothing else. I would give conservatives some credit for really standing for their principles if their principles weren't just so much derp.
 
2012-05-08 07:56:36 AM
Hideously Gigantic Smurf:
Polls show that Republicans are more informed about current events than liberals and are more tolerant with opposing ideas than their liberal counterparts

"OBAMA IS A KENYAN-BORN SOCIALIST MUSLIM WHO WANTS TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS AND DESTROY THE U.S. ECONOMY!!!"

"Uhm... No he's not."

"YOU'RE INTOLERANT OF MY IDEAS!!!"

Boy, oh, boy... Conservatives sure say the dumbest things... at least, if it's actually lefitsts saying it FOR them.

I first saw that in college -- there was a guy who claimed to be a socialist, and worked (volunteer) for a far-left Democratic candidate through several election cycles. I knew him rather well, and recognized his voice several times on radio call-in shows. He would call in, say he was a Republican, and spout some off-the-wall crap that sounded like he was off his meds. Then, after he hung up, the host would point out how that last call showed what Republicans REALLY thought.

The candidate he supported was an honest guy, for whom I have voted several times, and I'm pretty sure he didn't know what the idiot was doing. That whole approach seems to be a leftist staple. That, and trying to shut up any dissenting voice. It's symptomatic of having an INCREDIBLY weak position, as I see it.
 
2012-05-08 08:18:44 AM
Gato Blanco:
That's the baldest faced lie I've seen. They think liberals are Communist Satanists hell bent on raping all white Protestant children because socialism

Oh, really? Okay, if you read minds, what percentage of conservatives think that?
 
2012-05-08 08:24:49 AM

Baryogenesis: EWreckedSean: Baryogenesis: EWreckedSean: As a private business owner, if I don't want to provide such things, why should I have to?

The go to excuse for private business since before children were getting limbs cut off by machinery in factories.

It's just terrible for you isn't it, the idea that people should be able to make their own decisions about their own property.

It's just terrible for you, the idea that some things are more important than property, you know, like people.


The funny part is you think take away a person's right to their own property favors people. It's not a building whose rights you are violating moron, it's a persons.
 
2012-05-08 08:26:12 AM
GoHomeAndGetYourShinebox:
My only comment on the "unfriending on Facebook" thing is that, in my experience, my liberal friends occasionally post stories and editorials slamming conservatives and conservative policies, whereas my conservative friends obsessively post seething hatred of Obama and everything liberal and nothing else.

Since we're using screwed and skewed statistics, among my Facebook friends, I have exactly ONE conservative friend who fits the description you give here, and perhaps a dozen far-leftists who meet the same criteria.
 
2012-05-08 10:36:32 AM

tomWright: I put no one on ignore. I used to, then I realized:
1) It was cowardly ...


*PLONK*

// the first rule of ignore club is that people who complain about ignore get ignored.
 
2012-05-08 10:44:53 AM

EWreckedSean: Baryogenesis: EWreckedSean: Baryogenesis: EWreckedSean: As a private business owner, if I don't want to provide such things, why should I have to?

The go to excuse for private business since before children were getting limbs cut off by machinery in factories.

It's just terrible for you isn't it, the idea that people should be able to make their own decisions about their own property.

It's just terrible for you, the idea that some things are more important than property, you know, like people.

The funny part is you think take away a person's right to their own property favors people. It's not a building whose rights you are violating moron, it's a persons.


Right to own? Oops, moved the goal posts there didn't you. We're talking about what a property own can or cannot do with the property, not whether people can own property.

Do you understand the distinction between rights a person has because they are a person and a right they have because they own something? And do you understand that one of those things is more fundamental than the other?
 
2012-05-08 10:47:41 AM

Baryogenesis: property own


That should be property owner
 
2012-05-08 11:48:24 AM

abb3w: DarwiOdrade: Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.

Though this does leave the question of the education/political interaction implied.


As usual, Pew doesn't provide enough information for an independent statistical analysis, but with their reported sampling errors, the difference between the total numbers of correct answers from Rs & Ds doesn't seem statistically significant, though on individual questions the differences are definitely significant. Given the difference between Republican talking points & actual practices regarding shrinking the size of the federal gov't, that question should be thrown out entirely.

The correlation between education and correct answers is clear across the board. There may be some interaction with political affiliation, but as I mentioned we can't get enough raw data to make a determination.
 
2012-05-08 02:27:19 PM

DarwiOdrade: There may be some interaction with political affiliation, but as I mentioned we can't get enough raw data to make a determination.


Well, not yet. If we waited about six months, it's possible to write to Pew and ask for the raw data.

I'm too lazy for that, myself; but As usual, Pew doesn't provide enough information for an independent statistical analysis really isn't fair to them.
 
2012-05-08 03:08:32 PM

abb3w: DarwiOdrade: There may be some interaction with political affiliation, but as I mentioned we can't get enough raw data to make a determination.

Well, not yet. If we waited about six months, it's possible to write to Pew and ask for the raw data.

I'm too lazy for that, myself; but As usual, Pew doesn't provide enough information for an independent statistical analysis really isn't fair to them.


Yeah - though it's true, it came across more accusatory than I intended
 
2012-05-08 06:35:56 PM

puffy999: ArcadianRefugee: On the flip side, the few conservatives I've been friends with would have, under similar circumstances, let the person in

Unless they're black, Hispanic, or Jewish.


Well, yes. Except for one family I know; they're good like that.
 
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