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(Minneapolis Star Tribune)   Polls show that Republicans are more informed about current events than liberals and are more tolerant with opposing ideas than their liberal counterparts. Exhibit A: The comments section of the accompanying opinion piece   (startribune.com) divider line 288
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2012-05-07 03:19:33 PM  
mrshowrules:
About seven-in-ten (71%) know that the Republican Party is considered to be the more conservative party.

Really! 50% would have this right by guessing. That means, on the most fundamental political question possible, Americans are marginally more aware than a possum with a head injury.

My take away from this is that Americans are just incredibly ignorant.

/sorry

Yeah, my takeaway was also how ignorant the "better informed" side was. EVERYBODY should cover up their license plates driving away from THIS survey.
 
2012-05-07 03:21:24 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Here's a summary of the results from Pew's site:
[www.people-press.org image 405x515]
The biggest differences, not surprisingly, are between the educated & uneducated:
[www.people-press.org image 405x536]
Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.


I'm still depressed over the 31% of college grads who couldn't identify FDR as a Democrat.
 
2012-05-07 03:22:06 PM  
You have done a fine job of proving the article correct.

Mikey1969: Wow, this flies directly in the face of all experience that I have had online. Anywhere. Any website.

First off, republicans have different opinions than I do. Therefor they are wrong.

I also liked this nugget:
A March 2012 Pew report, entitled "Social Networking Sites and Politics," found that 28 percent of liberals have "blocked, unfriended or hidden someone" on social-networking sites because of their political postings, compared with 16 percent of conservatives.

So just because Liberals have decided not to listen to opinions they consider wrong made by those they they have blocked or uinfriended?

 
2012-05-07 03:23:39 PM  

qorkfiend: DarwiOdrade: Here's a summary of the results from Pew's site:
[www.people-press.org image 405x515]
The biggest differences, not surprisingly, are between the educated & uneducated:
[www.people-press.org image 405x536]
Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.

I'm still depressed over the 31% of college grads who couldn't identify FDR as a Democrat.


That could easily be explained by Franklin/Teddy confusion.
 
2012-05-07 03:24:47 PM  

DarwiOdrade: qorkfiend: DarwiOdrade: Here's a summary of the results from Pew's site:
[www.people-press.org image 405x515]
The biggest differences, not surprisingly, are between the educated & uneducated:
[www.people-press.org image 405x536]
Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.

I'm still depressed over the 31% of college grads who couldn't identify FDR as a Democrat.

That could easily be explained by Franklin/Teddy confusion.


and the prevalence of sh*tty colleges.
 
2012-05-07 03:28:12 PM  
Crewmannumber6:
My impression is that Conservatives are generally closed-minded and dogmatic, while Liberals tend to be whiney biatches.

9/10 - Nicely done! Bonus points for:

o Trolling EVERYONE at once
o Brevity
o No stupid deliberate misspellings or bad grammar
o Stating it as your opinion
o Being, by and large, accurate
 
2012-05-07 03:28:21 PM  

thomps: DarwiOdrade: qorkfiend: DarwiOdrade: Here's a summary of the results from Pew's site:
[www.people-press.org image 405x515]
The biggest differences, not surprisingly, are between the educated & uneducated:
[www.people-press.org image 405x536]
Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.

I'm still depressed over the 31% of college grads who couldn't identify FDR as a Democrat.

That could easily be explained by Franklin/Teddy confusion.

and the prevalence of sh*tty colleges.


I'm actually more surprised that 33% couldn't identify Abe Lincoln as a Republican. That's pretty sad, right there.
 
2012-05-07 03:29:06 PM  

DarwiOdrade: qorkfiend: DarwiOdrade: Here's a summary of the results from Pew's site:
[www.people-press.org image 405x515]
The biggest differences, not surprisingly, are between the educated & uneducated:
[www.people-press.org image 405x536]
Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.

I'm still depressed over the 31% of college grads who couldn't identify FDR as a Democrat.

That could easily be explained by Franklin/Teddy confusion.


Still depressing. I mean, Teddy was an extremely capable President, but FDR? I think it's the "Democrats are bad for the economy and bad for national security" line projected backwards; people think "Well, he got us through the Depression and won World War II; there's no way he was a Democrat." Works the other way for Lincoln, too: "Wasn't he against slavery and fought the South? How could he possibly be a Republican?"
 
2012-05-07 03:30:48 PM  
NateAsbestos:
Islamo-Fascist Gay Agenda? That's a thing?

Yes, and now both of them will kick your ass the next time they see you.
 
2012-05-07 03:31:36 PM  

GeneralJim: Crewmannumber6: My impression is that Conservatives are generally closed-minded and dogmatic, while Liberals tend to be whiney biatches.
9/10 - Nicely done! Bonus points for:

o Trolling EVERYONE at once
o Brevity
o No stupid deliberate misspellings or bad grammar
o Stating it as your opinion
o Being, by and large, accurate


The important thing is that he's found a way to feel superior to both.
 
2012-05-07 03:33:48 PM  

vpb: EWreckedSean: monoski: EWreckedSean: And the disabled? Which laws are you talking about.

This one is not necessarily laws but more of the continual stripping away at protections provided under the ADA to make it the shell of what it once was, when it even started as a cop-out to including the disabled under existing EEO legislation as a protected class. It has been a consistent GOP position that it is too expensive to provide access to the disabled and then turn around and cut funding for social programs that allow them to live without employment.

//Have cake or eat cake, they are exclusive

Here's the problem then, when we start saying if you disagree with certain special class provisions you are intolerant. Doubly so when you talk about something like disability, where one in five Americans claim to be disabled, and the system is seriously abused by millions.

That says a lot about the right-wing mindset. Do you think that there are no genuinely disabled people out there? Even if there were "millions" of people "abusing the system" to get wheelchair ramps, what sort of person would screw over genuinely disabled people to get at the others?

Much of right-wing ideology is more of a cover for opinions that wouldn't be socially acceptable to express openly. "Fark the disabled" becomes "I am concerned because so many healthy people roll around in wheelchairs in order to take advantage of wheelchair ramps". "I hate black people" becomes "There are lots of lazy people who like being on welfare".


And here is the left wing mentality. If you disagree with any government program ever that creates a special class or special rules for special classes, then you are a bigot who is intolerant against those people. Because there is no such thing as going to far, no such thing as burdening businesses, no such thing as the owner of a business having any say in such decisions for their own property.
 
2012-05-07 03:35:13 PM  

Mikey1969: EWreckedSean: Baryogenesis: EWreckedSean: As a private business owner, if I don't want to provide such things, why should I have to?

The go to excuse for private business since before children were getting limbs cut off by machinery in factories.

It's just terrible for you isn't it, the idea that people should be able to make their own decisions about their own property.

THAT'S your comeback? 'I should be able to choose if I have 12 year olds work for me and if I use safe equipment because I'm a small business owner'? Wow, talk about a weak platform, Romney could quit lying and go as the Flip Flop candidate and it would work before YOUR "argument" would.


I love how you turned a discussion of handicap ramps into a discussion of child labor. 10 points extra for you.
 
2012-05-07 03:39:59 PM  

pdee: sammyk: As noted by many a farker, the republicans democrats talk a good game about small government defending our liberties but their actions tell a completely different story.

A game we all can play.


I've got the entire GWB presidency expanding government and running up record debt while claiming to be small government fiscal conservatives as my argument of their hipocracy. Since you brought up personal liberty I would like to point out spying on Americans, warrantless wiretapping and the patriot act.

What have you got besides pithy bumper sticker slogans?
 
2012-05-07 03:40:39 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Here's a summary of the results from Pew's site:
[www.people-press.org image 405x515]
The biggest differences, not surprisingly, are between the educated & uneducated:
[www.people-press.org image 405x536]
Leave it to a GOP shill to focus on the weaker political correlation and completely ignore the strongest.


Maybe there is a reason they trend the same...

upload.wikimedia.org

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-07 03:41:35 PM  

EWreckedSean: Mikey1969: EWreckedSean: Baryogenesis: EWreckedSean: As a private business owner, if I don't want to provide such things, why should I have to?

The go to excuse for private business since before children were getting limbs cut off by machinery in factories.

It's just terrible for you isn't it, the idea that people should be able to make their own decisions about their own property.

THAT'S your comeback? 'I should be able to choose if I have 12 year olds work for me and if I use safe equipment because I'm a small business owner'? Wow, talk about a weak platform, Romney could quit lying and go as the Flip Flop candidate and it would work before YOUR "argument" would.

I love how you turned a discussion of handicap ramps into a discussion of child labor. 10 points extra for you.


I thought the discussion was why should government impose rules on to business.

Are "ramps for the handicap" the ONLY thing you oppose the government forcing on business? Or is you comment full of shiat?
 
2012-05-07 03:52:43 PM  
I have a hard time understanding the "right" answer to which party is more supportive of small government. I would answer "the Democrats". The GOP pays lip service to smaller government. But in practice they enlarge it more than the Democrats do.

Reagan was famous for saying that he wanted to shrink government to the point where it could be drowned in a small bathtub. But he increased spending faster than any president since World War II.

Now whenever I point this out, someone always pops up and says the spending was the fault of the Democratic congress. But the Democrats always gave Reagan a budget within 2% of his request. And in the case of the 2%, they gave him 2% LESS than he asked for.

So I would be one of those with the "wrong" answer, and therefore "ignorant". But I would claim the person who said the right answer was the GOP is the ignorant one.
 
2012-05-07 03:54:09 PM  

Burn98: I have a hard time understanding the "right" answer to which party is more supportive of small government. I would answer "the Democrats". The GOP pays lip service to smaller government. But in practice they enlarge it more than the Democrats do.

Reagan was famous for saying that he wanted to shrink government to the point where it could be drowned in a small bathtub. But he increased spending faster than any president since World War II.

Now whenever I point this out, someone always pops up and says the spending was the fault of the Democratic congress. But the Democrats always gave Reagan a budget within 2% of his request. And in the case of the 2%, they gave him 2% LESS than he asked for.

So I would be one of those with the "wrong" answer, and therefore "ignorant". But I would claim the person who said the right answer was the GOP is the ignorant one.


cdn.wg.uproxx.com
 
2012-05-07 04:06:14 PM  
There's another study that basically tested to see if conservatives could correctly assess the views and opinions of liberals on a given subject, ie, did they really understand what the liberals were promoting? The answer yes by far and large.

On the the contrary, liberals failed epically to accurately state the views of conservatives.

But then this is what happens when you're confident in your world view and don't need to create a false image of an opposing world view in your mind to make what you believe or think seem better.
 
2012-05-07 04:07:25 PM  

Burn98: I have a hard time understanding the "right" answer to which party is more supportive of small government. I would answer "the Democrats". The GOP pays lip service to smaller government. But in practice they enlarge it more than the Democrats do.

Reagan was famous for saying that he wanted to shrink government to the point where it could be drowned in a small bathtub. But he increased spending faster than any president since World War II.

Now whenever I point this out, someone always pops up and says the spending was the fault of the Democratic congress. But the Democrats always gave Reagan a budget within 2% of his request. And in the case of the 2%, they gave him 2% LESS than he asked for.

So I would be one of those with the "wrong" answer, and therefore "ignorant". But I would claim the person who said the right answer was the GOP is the ignorant one.


You can point out the obviousness of why that is wrong, as there were 8 budgets done under Reagan, not one. They went back and forth on who proposed slightly higher budgets. Adding an aside to that that the president has zero say in mandatory spending. It has to be in the budget. Only congress has the power to write laws to reduce or increase that spending. I may you are basically saying Reagan's budgets should have included spending cuts congress never passed.

zfacts.com
 
2012-05-07 04:08:21 PM  

HairBolus: WombatControl: If you're a liberal, you can go from kindergarten through a PhD without once having your political views challenged. A conservative doesn't have that luxury - although that's changing. A conservative has to constantly be able to defend their viewpoints, and the higher up the educational ladder they go, the more that's true. That means conservatives, especially educated conservatives, are better informed about the intellectual foundations of conservatism - because they have to be.

What a perfect example of right wing persecution complex. Maybe certain academic fields such as psychology or sociology lean liberal but most domains are neutral and there are domains such as economics, business, law enforcement studies, etc. which are strongly conservative.

You sound like a Christian who claims her rights are infringed when she can't stand up in Biology class and lecture on how Darwin is the anti-christ.

Almost all educated conservatives I've known know next to nothing about the intellectual foundations of conservatism and don't defend their positions using them. Maybe you are confusing conservatives with Libertarians/Randians some of whom can't shut up about a few historical sources which they regard as revealing the truth.


The liberal bias among college professors is very well documented: see this piece from Inside Higher Ed.
 
2012-05-07 04:18:38 PM  

Biological Ali: Salt Lick Steady: What was her sample? Because I would have refused to respond to a survey that included such idiotic, biased questions.

I'm guessing all the smart people responded likewise, hence the observed results.


That's more than a little possible.

I answered a call from a "polling organization" last week asking my opinion on state representative candidates. After about ten minutes, I learned that one (R) was an indefatigable supporter of small business and the other (D) somehow managed to fill out the necessary paperwork to get on the ballot. After prefacing several of my responses with "wow, that sounds like a pretty loaded question," I asked the surveyor what organization he represented. When he declined to answer, I thanked him for his call and hung up.

Five minutes later, his supervisor called back and asked if I would complete the "poll." When he declined to tell me what organization he represented and what my responses would be used for, I calmy told him to go fark himself.

There are a lot of stupid people in this country (state/county/city), but I'm not one of them. And if you approach me as though I'm an idiot, you're only going to lose whatever general goodwill I may have initially held for your position.

Certainly helped narrow down my voting options, though.
 
2012-05-07 05:03:41 PM  

vpb: EWreckedSean: monoski: EWreckedSean: And the disabled? Which laws are you talking about.

This one is not necessarily laws but more of the continual stripping away at protections provided under the ADA to make it the shell of what it once was, when it even started as a cop-out to including the disabled under existing EEO legislation as a protected class. It has been a consistent GOP position that it is too expensive to provide access to the disabled and then turn around and cut funding for social programs that allow them to live without employment.

//Have cake or eat cake, they are exclusive

Here's the problem then, when we start saying if you disagree with certain special class provisions you are intolerant. Doubly so when you talk about something like disability, where one in five Americans claim to be disabled, and the system is seriously abused by millions.

That says a lot about the right-wing mindset. Do you think that there are no genuinely disabled people out there? Even if there were "millions" of people "abusing the system" to get wheelchair ramps, what sort of person would screw over genuinely disabled people to get at the others?

Much of right-wing ideology is more of a cover for opinions that wouldn't be socially acceptable to express openly. "Fark the disabled" becomes "I am concerned because so many healthy people roll around in wheelchairs in order to take advantage of wheelchair ramps". "I hate black people" becomes "There are lots of lazy people who like being on welfare".


+1
 
2012-05-07 05:04:31 PM  
While I would clearly prefer that active voters have a strong enough understanding of history to know that FDR was a Democrat, particularly if they're going to reference things that his administration did in argument about what should be done now, WHO FARKING CARES ABOUT TRIVIA FROM BEFORE MOST OF OUR PARENTS WERE BORN?

It's not like any political party exists in the same form today as it did during World War II, before television and the Southern Strategy and Reaganomics and a hundred other transformative events.
 
2012-05-07 05:08:17 PM  

EWreckedSean: I love how you turned a discussion of handicap ramps into a discussion of child labor. 10 points extra for you.


Actually, I didn't, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to follow a thread, you can't even keep track of Right wing lies, why should we expect you to follow thread through a user forum?
 
2012-05-07 05:10:30 PM  
Heck...it's pretty obvious that Liberals and Democrats are more obnoxious than Conservatives and GOP...look at the George Zimmerman threads......the Liberals still think that Zimmerman (who is part Hispanic and Black) is still a white racist redneck
 
2012-05-07 05:13:30 PM  

Mikey1969: EWreckedSean: I love how you turned a discussion of handicap ramps into a discussion of child labor. 10 points extra for you.

Actually, I didn't, but I wouldn't expect you to be able to follow a thread, you can't even keep track of Right wing lies, why should we expect you to follow thread through a user forum?


Actually you did. He used it as a reference, you changed the conversation to be about it. But no worries, no reason to let reality get in your way now.
 
2012-05-07 05:14:21 PM  

pdee: You have done a fine job of proving the article correct.
Mikey1969: Wow, this flies directly in the face of all experience that I have had online. Anywhere. Any website.

First off, republicans have different opinions than I do. Therefor they are wrong.

I also liked this nugget:
A March 2012 Pew report, entitled "Social Networking Sites and Politics," found that 28 percent of liberals have "blocked, unfriended or hidden someone" on social-networking sites because of their political postings, compared with 16 percent of conservatives.

So just because Liberals have decided not to listen to opinions they consider wrong made by those they they have blocked or uinfriended?


No, actually, it's because Liberals point out FACTS, and the Righties choose to ignore those FACTS to post either lies, or opinions, which lose out to FACTS every time. After awhile, pointing to link after link that refutes the 3 or 4 links that the Right posts to reinforce a claim gets old and worn out.

People end up blocking you. Here's the part that the article ignored:

It's NOT because of your political affiliation, OR your opinions, but because you refuse to listen to actual documented facts. You could be a Lefty with just as much of a crusade, and you would still get blocked. The people who block, unfriend or hide someone are usually doing it because they don't want to waste their time telling them that no matter what the internet told them, 2+2 is NOT 279.

Personally, we'd rather go home and argue with our toasters. The toaster would probably figure out the article before you would.
 
2012-05-07 05:20:28 PM  

Burn98: I have a hard time understanding the "right" answer to which party is more supportive of small government. I would answer "the Democrats". The GOP pays lip service to smaller government. But in practice they enlarge it more than the Democrats do


No, you've got it wrong, the GOP doesn't WANT to expand the government, they HAVE to. For example, all of these 'morality police' measures, some call it spying, I call it 'Freedom Peeping'. Either way, it requires more government oversight to regulate what we do in our own bedrooms, and there's no way around it. The government has NO CHOICE but to Freedom Peep us, so since it isn't their fault, it doesn't count as 'expansion'... ;-)
 
2012-05-07 05:27:31 PM  

EWreckedSean: Actually you did. He used it as a reference, you changed the conversation to be about it. But no worries, no reason to let reality get in your way now.


Sorry dude, too late for the cover story, I only got in after he had made the "reference", and you came up with the rather weak response. I get it though, I made you cry and now you want to make me feel bad.
 
2012-05-07 05:31:21 PM  

Mikey1969: EWreckedSean: Actually you did. He used it as a reference, you changed the conversation to be about it. But no worries, no reason to let reality get in your way now.

Sorry dude, too late for the cover story, I only got in after he had made the "reference", and you came up with the rather weak response. I get it though, I made you cry and now you want to make me feel bad.


Lol so your excuse is that because you only came in afterwards, what he and I were talking about changed to what you wanted us to be talking about? I see you reason as well as you follow threads. 10 points for you.
 
2012-05-07 05:31:23 PM  

EWreckedSean: As a private business owner, if I don't want to provide such things, why should I have to? I saw a bar in downtown Orlando have it's loft area shut down because it didn't have an elevator and wasn't handicapped accessible. Even though the first floor was, they were sued by somebody in a wheel chair because they couldn't get upstairs.


Please provide some evidence for this claim. There are plenty of businesses that have a second level that is not accessible that are doing fine. Second floor access is not mandated by any statute. There must be something else going on here.
 
2012-05-07 05:41:05 PM  
HellRaisingHoosier:
Ha ha. That's the dumbest farking things I've ready in awhile.

Anything I could add would only pale by comparison.
 
2012-05-07 05:41:55 PM  

monoski: EWreckedSean: As a private business owner, if I don't want to provide such things, why should I have to? I saw a bar in downtown Orlando have it's loft area shut down because it didn't have an elevator and wasn't handicapped accessible. Even though the first floor was, they were sued by somebody in a wheel chair because they couldn't get upstairs.

Please provide some evidence for this claim. There are plenty of businesses that have a second level that is not accessible that are doing fine. Second floor access is not mandated by any statute. There must be something else going on here.


A Republican? Making up bullsh*t? The hell you say!
 
2012-05-07 05:44:38 PM  
This article implies that Republicans are more informed on the biased opinions people have about what they think political parties do, regardless of facts.

Republicans favor smaller government? I don't think it means what they think it means.
 
2012-05-07 05:46:10 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: On the flip side, the few conservatives I've been friends with would have, under similar circumstances, let the person in


Unless they're black, Hispanic, or Jewish.
 
2012-05-07 05:47:06 PM  

EWreckedSean: vpb: Jackson Herring: The widest gap -- 30 points -- came on a question about which political party is "generally more supportive of reducing the size of federal government." Seventy-six percent of Republicans, but only 46 percent of Democrats, correctly named the GOP.


AHHHH hahahha holy shiatttttt

The really funny thing is that Obama is the first President in 40 years to reduce the size of the Federal government in his first 3 years of office.

Link

Reading isn't you friend is it?

Spending by the federal government, adjusted for inflation, has risen at a slow rate under President Obama. But that increase has been more than offset by a fall in spending by state and local governments, which have been squeezed by weak tax receipts.


And writing doesn't appear to be you friend, either.
 
2012-05-07 05:49:46 PM  

EWreckedSean: I may you are basically saying Reagan's budgets should have included spending cuts congress never passed.


Reagan's early budgets, which passed with a coalition of a Republicans and a handful of conservative boll weevil Democrats, set the trend for the entire decade.

Reagan had the chance to make spending cuts. He chose not to. Instead he slashed revenues and hiked spending.

Exactly like Bush Jr.
.
 
2012-05-07 05:52:47 PM  
Headso:
WombatControl: If you're a liberal, you can go from kindergarten through a PhD without once having your political views challenged. A conservative doesn't have that luxury

yeah when I wake up put on AM talk radio then check the news on fox news then catch up on some reading on WND then do some research conservapedia then post all I've learned on free republic I am constantly under the barrage of liberal opinions.

Thanks for naming almost all the right-of-center news outlets in the U.S. Are you as blind as you imply? Look even at Fark political threads. Jackasses here not only refuse to read anything not leftist-oriented, they will comment about them, while bragging that they would never click on anything not leftist-biased. That IS what they are saying, when you run the logic.

The fact that one can find right-of-center opinions if one is willing to search for them is greatly different than, for example, having unionized government employees teaching you your whole school career, and then going to college where the professors are nearly all far leftists, unionized, and unfamiliar with the world outside of Education.

A list of leftist media starts with CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, NYT, blah, blah, blah. And, many leftists believe that the solution to having just a few right-of-center media outlets is to ban them, or put them out of business. That is more the intolerance involved here. Intelligent conservatives are WAY more aware of opposing opinions, because they are literally foisted on them every day. Nobody has to go excavating for liberal opinions...
 
2012-05-07 05:54:35 PM  

EatTheWorld: Like Joe Biden said " these aren't your father's republicans"


My (grand) father's Republicans were sensible and actually cared about the deficit and our nation's debt. They also did not support religious fundamentalism OR the military industrialization complex to such a great degree.
 
2012-05-07 05:59:26 PM  
 
2012-05-07 06:03:47 PM  
Primum:
More liberals delete "conservatives" on FB than the other way around because conservatives' views are so warped by outright lies and are so out of touch from reality these days that they warrant ZERO respect

Q.E.D. I've heard this argument before "Well, we have no respect for (Jews/Blacks) because they (control the banks/breed like vermin) so it's just telling it the way it is, it's not prejudice.

/ Fark you, you ignorant bigot.
 
2012-05-07 06:06:23 PM  

Mikey1969: No, actually, it's because Liberals point out FACTS, and the Righties choose to ignore those FACTS to post either lies, or opinions, which lose out to FACTS every time


And because Conservatives drive their SUVs like THIS, whereas Liberals ride their recumbent bikes like THIS
 
2012-05-07 06:10:44 PM  

Crapinoleum: And writing doesn't appear to be you friend, either.


Muphrey's Law strikes again. ;)
 
2012-05-07 06:16:48 PM  
Baryogenesis:
Damn you for requiring expensive ramps made from pure concrete and getting all the good parking! Stop abusing the system and pull yourself up by the bootstraps!

ADA is bullshiat, so it should be researched by some of our nations finest professional tricksters: Penn and Teller. They did a whole episode on it, and nailed it.
 
2012-05-07 06:17:44 PM  

GeneralJim: HairBolus: Maybe certain academic fields such as psychology or sociology lean liberal but most domains are neutral and there are domains such as economics, business, law enforcement studies, etc. which are strongly conservative.
By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.


So the article is basically implying a) "liberal" professors are incapable of keeping their politics out of the classroom, and b) "liberals" control hiring practices, so we should consider Affirmative Action for conservative professors.

I won't even get into all of the reasons why I'm questioning the depth of this study, I'd just like to point out that, as someone who went to a relatively conservative state university for a relatively conservative degree, I never really had a problem with professors exhibiting their political preferences in the classroom, aside from one professor who would often complain about every single group under the sun (Bush this, God damn that, whiny crybaby students who think they deserve easier tests, blah blah blah). Not surprisingly, it was the conservative students who complained and basically cost him his job; the same students whose attitude nearly drove another professor to tears.
 
2012-05-07 06:23:10 PM  

GeneralJim: Baryogenesis: Damn you for requiring expensive ramps made from pure concrete and getting all the good parking! Stop abusing the system and pull yourself up by the bootstraps!
ADA is bullshiat, so it should be researched by some of our nations finest professional tricksters: Penn and Teller. They did a whole episode on it, and nailed it.


I worked for a place that designed wheelchair access and new sidewalks for a small town whose streets had grades that were too steep for even the most powerful motorized wheelchairs to climb (unless they had a hell of a lot of weight distributed toward the bottom and front). It was almost impossible to push someone up these hills.

Thanks to the ADA, multiple millions of dollars were granted by the federal government for this project. Basically, the greatest benefit seemed to be the landing areas where people could place their garbage cans without fear of them tipping and rolling down the hill.
 
2012-05-07 06:24:58 PM  

puffy999: GeneralJim: HairBolus: Maybe certain academic fields such as psychology or sociology lean liberal but most domains are neutral and there are domains such as economics, business, law enforcement studies, etc. which are strongly conservative.
By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.

So the article is basically implying a) "liberal" professors are incapable of keeping their politics out of the classroom, and b) "liberals" control hiring practices, so we should consider Affirmative Action for conservative professors.

I won't even get into all of the reasons why I'm questioning the depth of this study, I'd just like to point out that, as someone who went to a relatively conservative state university for a relatively conservative degree, I never really had a problem with professors exhibiting their political preferences in the classroom, aside from one professor who would often complain about every single group under the sun (Bush this, God damn that, whiny crybaby students who think they deserve easier tests, blah blah blah). Not surprisingly, it was the conservative students who complained and basically cost him his job; the same students whose attitude nearly drove another professor to tears.


puffy999: GeneralJim: HairBolus: Maybe certain academic fields such as psychology or sociology lean liberal but most domains are neutral and there are domains such as economics, business, law enforcement studies, etc. which are strongly conservative.
By their own description, 72 percent of those teaching at American universities and colleges are liberal and 15 percent are conservative, says the study being published this week. The imbalance is almost as striking in partisan terms, with 50 percent of the faculty members surveyed identifying themselves as Democrats and 11 percent as Republicans.

So the article is basically implying a) "liberal" professors are incapable of keeping their politics out of the classroom, and b) "liberals" control hiring practices, so we should consider Affirmative Action for conservative professors.

I won't even get into all of the reasons why I'm questioning the depth of this study, I'd just like to point out that, as someone who went to a relatively conservative state university for a relatively conservative degree, I never really had a problem with professors exhibiting their political preferences in the classroom, aside from one professor who would often complain about every single group under the sun (Bush this, God damn that, whiny crybaby students who think they deserve easier tests, blah blah blah). Not surprisingly, it was the conservative students who complained and basically cost him his job; the same students whose attitude nearly drove another professor to tears.


True story:

I went to college with John Ashcroft's son. He was in two of my classes. And in both of those classes he was continually disruptive, with one professor even shutting down class and walking out one day because when little Ashcroft got out of hand.

Even the local College Republicans wouldn't stand up for him, he was such a monumental, self-entitled, badly behaved dickhead. And this was at a famously conservative campus: in 1992, a survey found students there supported Pat Buchanan for the Republican nomination by a substantial margin.

/CSB
 
2012-05-07 06:30:10 PM  

puffy999: EatTheWorld: Like Joe Biden said " these aren't your father's republicans"

My (grand) father's Republicans were sensible and actually cared about the deficit and our nation's debt. They also did not support religious fundamentalism OR the military industrialization complex to such a great degree.


Yeah, 'Goldwater Republican' used to be a BAD thing, now we long for those days. Barry would kick these morons to the curb, and HE was considered an A-Hole in his day. I bet if that brand of Republican resurfaced, the Left would at least respect them, not agree with them, but respect them.
 
2012-05-07 06:45:44 PM  

puffy999: Unless they're black, Hispanic, or Jewish.


Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, gay, liberal, a scientist, a single mother, a woman in skimpy clothes...
 
2012-05-07 06:52:31 PM  
Polls show that Republicans are more informed about current events than liberals and are more tolerant with opposing ideas than their liberal counterparts

"OBAMA IS A KENYAN-BORN SOCIALIST MUSLIM WHO WANTS TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS AND DESTROY THE U.S. ECONOMY!!!"

"Uhm... No he's not."

"YOU'RE INTOLERANT OF MY IDEAS!!!"
 
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