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(Some Guy)   Aided and abetted by a complacent and apathetic populace ignorant of history and our founding principles Americans are delivering society into perpetual bondage at the hands of their government masters   (foundersrevolution.net) divider line 72
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2012-05-07 08:57:35 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-05-07 09:03:59 AM
This headline brought to you by a grant from Mosanto, Exxon-Mobil, Bank of America, Dow Chemicals, and Yum Brands.
 
2012-05-07 09:04:02 AM
...I cannot wait for this election cycle to be over, or the nation's supply of Thorazine to increase...
 
2012-05-07 09:11:12 AM

hubiestubert: ...I cannot wait for this election cycle to be over, or the nation's supply of Thorazine to increase...


It's not going to get any better after the election. Republicans are a dying political party, and they haven't the smarts or decency to fade into history in any way other than a complete balls-out self-destructive blaze of stupid. They will try to wreck this country in any way possible for the next decade or so.
 
2012-05-07 09:13:31 AM
Have you noticed that the people who call themselves followers of the Founding Fathers and post links to Thomas Paine's Common Sense NEVER post links to Thomas Paine's Agrarian Justice?

"It is proposed that the payments, as already stated, be made to every person, rich or poor. It is best to make it so, to prevent invidious distinctions. It is also right it should be so, because it is in lieu of the natural inheritance, which, as a right, belongs to every man, over and above property he may have created, or inherited from those who did. Such persons as do not choose to receive it can throw it into the common fund.

Taking it then for granted that no person ought to be in a worse condition when born under what is called a state of civilization, than he would have been had he been born in a state of nature, and that civilization ought to have made, and ought still to make, provision for that purpose, it can only be done by subtracting from property a portion equal in value to the natural inheritance it has absorbed."
-Thomas Paine, Agrarian Justice
 
2012-05-07 09:17:54 AM
RexTalionis: Yeah, it's highly irritating. I'm currently reading a book of short bios of the Signers. These jerks are either ignorant of our history or are projecting some idealized vision of what it was. Probably some combination of both.
 
2012-05-07 09:19:08 AM
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"Aided and abetted by a complacent and apathetic populace ignorant of history and our founding principles, Americans are delivering society into perpetual bondage at the hands of their government masters, but one man stands alone against tyranny, corruption, and the high price of a cup of coffee. Yes, it is I, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar!"
 
2012-05-07 09:20:20 AM
The derp is strong with this one.
 
2012-05-07 09:30:07 AM
And now let us return to begging for bondage to our corporate overlords.
 
2012-05-07 09:33:56 AM
i1089.photobucket.com


\prefer this version
 
2012-05-07 09:36:56 AM
Your blog really sucks
 
2012-05-07 09:47:45 AM
img62.imageshack.us
 
2012-05-07 09:48:15 AM
Aided and abetted by a complacent and apathetic populace ignorant of history and our founding principles Americans are creating sucky blogs at a disturbing pace.
 
2012-05-07 09:54:35 AM
You know what the Founders would have thought about Grover Norquist?

They'd be too busy tarring and feathering him to answer if you asked them.
 
2012-05-07 10:01:06 AM

2wolves: [i1089.photobucket.com image 640x372]

\prefer this version


That version doesn't show Fleury punching holes in the bottom of the boat with his stick.
 
2012-05-07 10:03:30 AM
Red Dawn: not a documentary
 
2012-05-07 10:07:40 AM
Aided and abetted by a complacent and apathetic populace ignorant of history and our founding principles, Americans are allowing their Presidebt to fart bongos at an alarming rate.
 
2012-05-07 10:11:49 AM
why do you think the GOP opposes education?
 
2012-05-07 10:25:52 AM
Your blog sucks
 
2012-05-07 10:31:18 AM

FlashHarry: why do you think the GOP opposes education?


All else being equal, electorates should be suspicious of any party weak on education.
 
2012-05-07 10:47:39 AM

Theaetetus: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]
"Aided and abetted by a complacent and apathetic populace ignorant of history and our founding principles, Americans are delivering society into perpetual bondage at the hands of their government masters, but one man stands alone against tyranny, corruption, and the high price of a cup of coffee. Yes, it is I, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar!"


Have I ever told you I loved you?
 
2012-05-07 11:22:41 AM
your blog suck

tl/dr
 
2012-05-07 11:24:13 AM
It sounds like Romney's gonna kick Carter's ass.

Too bad he's running against Obama.
 
2012-05-07 11:25:25 AM
FTA: If you did not read last week's article, stop reading.

kthxbye
 
2012-05-07 11:25:36 AM
www.thefriendlyblogger.com
 
2012-05-07 11:26:45 AM

Vodka Zombie: hubiestubert: ...I cannot wait for this election cycle to be over, or the nation's supply of Thorazine to increase...

It's not going to get any better after the election. Republicans are a dying political party, and they haven't the smarts or decency to fade into history in any way other than a complete balls-out self-destructive blaze of stupid. They will try to wreck this country in any way possible for the next decade or so.


What's sad is that the only reason they will succeed at damaging the country on their way out is that 1/3 of the populace will vote for them. no. matter. what.
 
2012-05-07 11:26:55 AM
(It also looks like I clicked the wrong comment thread after RTFA., although I know being drunk would be a more socially acceptable excuse on a Monday morning.)
 
2012-05-07 11:29:10 AM
Republicans: The Government sucks and we will prove it to you.
 
2012-05-07 11:30:26 AM
vote obama and get cradle to grave security.
Link
liberty is way over-rated.
 
2012-05-07 11:31:32 AM
Founders had quite a few things to say on unfretted corporations subby.

/your blog really sucks
 
2012-05-07 11:32:18 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: (It also looks like I clicked the wrong comment thread after RTFA., although I know being drunk would be a more socially acceptable excuse on a Monday morning.)


Now that I've read the correct article, I think a drunken Monday morning is called for.
 
2012-05-07 11:32:18 AM
Yes, taxes and medicare are slavery. Meanwhile American corporation's sweatshops are just a free and fair market at work.
 
2012-05-07 11:34:27 AM
Remember kids.

Taking the help offered by the government during the past century was bootstrappiness, but the moment people today want to utilize the help still being offered, it's the socialism of the worst kind.

//GI Bill
//Perkins Loans
//Mortgage Interest Deduction
//EITC
//Child Tax Credit
//AMT
//Food Stamps
//401Ks
//etc. etc. etc.
 
2012-05-07 11:38:50 AM

dehehn: Yes, taxes and medicare are slavery. Meanwhile American corporation's sweatshops are just a free and fair market at work.


Naw, if they were that free and fair, Milton Freeman would have used American Sweatshops as the exemplar in Free To Choose, not sweatshops in Singapore.

/but OTOH there is that drawback of using Singapore as an example, that they have universal healthcare. Don't want the voters to notice that.
 
2012-05-07 11:41:21 AM
I stoped reading when I came across "the dictionary defines slavery as:".

I'm not reading something written by a C- college student.
 
2012-05-07 11:41:25 AM

GAT_00: And now let us return to begging for bondage to our corporate overlords.


One of the arguments for Universal Healthcare is that it would increase individual freedom in relation to corporations.

Right now if you work for a company and have good health benefits, that can lock you in and create a disincentive to quitting your job no matter how bad it sucks unless you already have a job with good bennies lined up.

If you quit a job with bennies to start your own company you are at a severe disadvantage in buying health coverage because you can't get the steep corporate discounts.

Enslaved to corporations for your health's sake.
 
2012-05-07 11:43:35 AM

RexTalionis: Have you noticed that the people who call themselves followers of the Founding Fathers and post links to Thomas Paine's Common Sense NEVER post links to Thomas Paine's Agrarian Justice?


It is certainly possible to agree with the ideals postulated in "Common Sense" and not the ideals postulated in "Agrarian Justice". It is not necessary to agree with every idea that Thomas Paine had in order to appreciate one of the ideas he had. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that it's possible to quote Mao and give him credit for a clever idea, all the while despising the murderous barbaric brand of communism which he wrought upon his people. Nonetheless, your point is noted--people should not take Thomas Paine as an idol unless they are prepared to acknowledge his redistributionist bent.
 
2012-05-07 11:44:32 AM

Citrate1007: I'm not reading something written by a C- college student.


Mentioning "Last week's article" a couple of times didn't help much, either. I thought of high school newspapers.
 
2012-05-07 11:46:04 AM
Aided and abetted by a complacent and apathetic populace ignorant of history and our founding principles Americans are delivering society into perpetual bondage at the hands of their government masters

Americans are aided and abetted by the populace? Of where? WHO IS REALLY RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?!
 
2012-05-07 11:46:24 AM
Heh... These people and their over inflated sense of self worth are hilarious.
 
2012-05-07 11:46:55 AM
HairBolus


If you quit a job with bennies to start your own company you are at a severe disadvantage in buying health coverage because you can't get the steep corporate discounts.

Enslaved to corporations for your health's sake.


ah yes, the good ol' "golden handcuffs"
 
2012-05-07 11:51:28 AM
If you did not read last week's article, stop reading. Read last week's article first then come back and read this one.

I really hope no one reads one of this guy's articles and then think its a good idea to read another one.
 
2012-05-07 11:51:59 AM

impaler: Your blog really sucks


ELEVEN POSTS before "YOUR BLOG SUCKS"? Man - you guys are asleep at the switch this morning!

\SUBBY - YOUR BLOG SUCKS!
 
2012-05-07 11:52:13 AM
OK, whose admin's blog is this?
 
2012-05-07 11:52:17 AM

dehehn: Yes, taxes and medicare are slavery. Meanwhile American corporation's sweatshops are just a free and fair market at work.


You wanna hear stupid? This farking guy...

Reread the 2nd Amendment, then tell me the Founders wanted no regulations. Hell, read the rest of it - the whole thing's a bunch of rules and regulations, and that they TOLD US to amend it means they want sensible rules. (We can argue what is "sensible", but not here.) So the notion of a "free" market clearly denotes rules of the road are necessary. Legislated (or legislatively-ensured and -enforced) freedom.

Taxes are provided for in the Constitution (the part outside the 2nd Amendment, read it sometime) - as well as the nature of what those taxes should pay for (defense, welfare).

You wanna know what the Founders wanted? Ask Benjamin Franklin, who advocated progressive taxation. Ask Thomas Jefferson who also did. Someone already mentioned Thomas Paine's feelings on the subject. Ask Adam Smith (who may not have been a Founding Father), who also advocated progressive taxation. Or better yet - just read the damned Constitution. THAT's how the Founders felt, and that's the only record that matters.

Republicans can like the social safety net, too - ask Teddy Roosevelt or Ike. Ask President Bush, who signed Medicare Part D - even threatened Medicare actuaries who threatened to release a less-rosy projection than the Bush people did - and NCLB (unfunded clusterfark of a welfare-state expansion).

In short, that argument is so misinformed (and trolly), that someone deserves to know how shiatty it is.

TL;DR - 0/10, plus I was bored.
 
2012-05-07 11:52:26 AM
www.therightplanet.com
 
2012-05-07 11:53:29 AM
If you look at TFA you will see it has 0 comments.

I guess it is one of those RW sites that is stridently in favor of freedom of speech but moderates all comments and will reject anything non supportive.
 
2012-05-07 11:56:52 AM
Dr Dreidel

You know, I have no idea why that happened.

So let's just say that's not directed at you, dehehn; it's directed at the fountains of stupid where those arguments might do some good.
 
2012-05-07 11:57:14 AM
Your blog sucks hard enough to affect the tides, subby.

I really hate this kind of overwrought pseudo-intellectual claptrap.
 
2012-05-07 11:58:02 AM

HairBolus: GAT_00: And now let us return to begging for bondage to our corporate overlords.

One of the arguments for Universal Healthcare is that it would increase individual freedom in relation to corporations.

Right now if you work for a company and have good health benefits, that can lock you in and create a disincentive to quitting your job no matter how bad it sucks unless you already have a job with good bennies lined up.

If you quit a job with bennies to start your own company you are at a severe disadvantage in buying health coverage because you can't get the steep corporate discounts.

Enslaved to corporations for your health's sake.


I'm going to be facing this situation in about a year and a half if all goes well. I'm fine with paying for a very basic, catastrophic care plan just for myself for a few years to see how things work out, but if I had kids it wouldn't even be an option. Or if I was 10 years older, or if I was female, or had any sort of persistent health problems.

Basically, if I was anything other than a young, healthy, childless male, I wouldn't even be able to entertain the idea of striking out on my own, simply because the healthcare costs would be through the roof.
 
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