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2012-05-07 09:22:11 AM
With Werth's wrist broken, the Nats are going to need to steal home a lot to score any runs.
 
2012-05-07 09:33:18 AM

SlothB77: With Werth's wrist broken, the Nats are going to need to steal home a lot to score any runs.


Werth hurts, but Zimmerman is coming back, and Michael Morse will return eventually.
 
2012-05-07 09:37:21 AM
Nice combination of guts and brains there. Hamels is ignoring his ridiculous lead, and as a lefty has his back to Harper. With a lefty 1B taking the throw in the standard position (in front of the runner's path, towards 2B), the throw home is a little awkward as well.

It's also worth noting that the reason Harper was on base in the first place is because Hamels hit him intentionally (per the admission later by Hamels) for crowding the plate. Oops. I guess being a tough guy isn't always worth giving your opponent free baserunners.
 
2012-05-07 09:39:10 AM

kronicfeld: SlothB77: With Werth's wrist broken, the Nats are going to need to steal home a lot to score any runs.

Werth hurts, but Zimmerman is coming back, and Michael Morse will return eventually.


Werth is a shame also, because he had been playing like 2011 never happened, and he really needs to earn the crowd back. Solid bat, baserunning, and defense so far this season. I heard he'll be out 6 weeks this morning, which implies that the break isn't too severe.
 
2012-05-07 10:51:49 AM

chimp_ninja: Nice combination of guts and brains there. Hamels is ignoring his ridiculous lead, and as a lefty has his back to Harper. With a lefty 1B taking the throw in the standard position (in front of the runner's path, towards 2B), the throw home is a little awkward as well.

It's also worth noting that the reason Harper was on base in the first place is because Hamels hit him intentionally (per the admission later by Hamels) for crowding the plate. Oops. I guess being a tough guy isn't always worth giving your opponent free baserunners.


Phils won 9-3. I have a feeling Hamels got over it.

For the record, Hamels got drilled in the leg trying to bunt later, and though the other pitcher said it was a mistake (didn't want to give up the out in that situation), Hamels said if it was retaliation, he was totally fine with that because that's the way baseball is supposed to work.
 
2012-05-07 10:52:41 AM
The Nats GM is blasting Hamels this morning for beaning Harper. I'm not sure that is a good idea.
 
2012-05-07 10:54:50 AM
A great line from the Cubs broadcasters after they reported that he stole home:

A: Is there anything that nineteen year old can't do?
B: Buy beer legally.

Eyes on the prize, Cubbies, eyes on the prize.
 
2012-05-07 10:55:17 AM

lunchinlewis: The Nats GM is blasting Hamels this morning for beaning Harper. I'm not sure that is a good idea.


Hamels: "I was trying to hit him. I'm not going to deny it. It's something I grew up watching. That's what happened. I'm just trying to continue the old baseball. Some people get away from it. I remember when I was a rookie, the strike zone was really, really small and you didn't say anything. That's the way baseball is. Sometimes the league is protecting certain players. It's that old-school prestigious way of baseball."
 
2012-05-07 11:02:17 AM
Harper, after the game, on Hamels: He's a great guy, great pitcher, knows how to pitch. He's an all-star. It's all good.
 
2012-05-07 11:03:16 AM

chimp_ninja: It's also worth noting that the reason Harper was on base in the first place is because Hamels hit him intentionally (per the admission later by Hamels) for crowding the plate.


Probably partially true, but also partially a "welcome to the bigs, rook." kinda thing. I don't have any animosity toward Harper as a player and I like how he plays (though he's gonna shorten his career like Griffey did playing CF that way) but I just feel like I want to hate him based on the fact that his name is Bryce Harper.
 
2012-05-07 11:04:46 AM
Great baseball and class from both players.
 
2012-05-07 11:05:06 AM

Gunny Highway: lunchinlewis: The Nats GM is blasting Hamels this morning for beaning Harper. I'm not sure that is a good idea.

Hamels: "I was trying to hit him. I'm not going to deny it. It's something I grew up watching. That's what happened. I'm just trying to continue the old baseball. Some people get away from it. I remember when I was a rookie, the strike zone was really, really small and you didn't say anything. That's the way baseball is. Sometimes the league is protecting certain players. It's that old-school prestigious way of baseball."


Harper better get used to it. He's a hot dog and its going to rub a lot of players the wrong way.
 
2012-05-07 11:05:48 AM

Gunny Highway: lunchinlewis: The Nats GM is blasting Hamels this morning for beaning Harper. I'm not sure that is a good idea.

Hamels: "I was trying to hit him. I'm not going to deny it. It's something I grew up watching. That's what happened. I'm just trying to continue the old baseball. Some people get away from it. I remember when I was a rookie, the strike zone was really, really small and you didn't say anything. That's the way baseball is. Sometimes the league is protecting certain players. It's that old-school prestigious way of baseball."


Rizzo invoked the NFL bounty thing in his quotes. Then he called Hamels "fake tough", even though Hamels has to bat and got drilled in his leg a couple innings later.

I saw the whole thing as a big non-issue outside of one game. I'm just surprised Rizzo got trolled so hard by Hamels' comments.
 
2012-05-07 11:10:37 AM

lunchinlewis: I saw the whole thing as a big non-issue outside of one game. I'm just surprised Rizzo got trolled so hard by Hamels' comments.


He didn't. This is all part of the Nationals "We want to start a rivalry with Philly so, so, so badly" thing. See: signing Werth and Lidge, assembling a ridiculous pitching staff, "Take Back Our Park", "Natitude", etc. This was just an extra topping on the pizza.

/Phillies better lock up Hamels *NOW*, before someone else throws some ridiculous wad of money at him in the offseason
 
2012-05-07 11:11:06 AM

exick: chimp_ninja: It's also worth noting that the reason Harper was on base in the first place is because Hamels hit him intentionally (per the admission later by Hamels) for crowding the plate.

Probably partially true, but also partially a "welcome to the bigs, rook." kinda thing. I don't have any animosity toward Harper as a player and I like how he plays (though he's gonna shorten his career like Griffey did playing CF that way) but I just feel like I want to hate him based on the fact that his name is Bryce Harper.


I don't think the hate is because his name is Bryce Harper but because he is Bryce Harper. He once blew a kiss at an opposing pitcher while he made his home run trot. He's a hot dog and there's been stories about him being a cocky arsehole since there's been stories about him. He's an amazing talent and he's jerk. It doesn't bother me, baseball history is full of talented jerks. But if he's gong to be a hot dog, people are going to throw at him. That's the deal, he can't complain about it and to his credit, he didn't complain about Hamels beaning him.
 
2012-05-07 11:16:16 AM

NutznGum: That's the deal, he can't complain about it and to his credit, he didn't complain about Hamels beaning him.


In fact, after the steal, he shot a look at Hamels. Long enough to say "Now, that wasn't so smart of you, was it?", but not long enough to incite anything. But there were no words, no yelling, no gestures. Just simple and to the point.
 
2012-05-07 11:19:26 AM

Joe_diGriz: lunchinlewis: I saw the whole thing as a big non-issue outside of one game. I'm just surprised Rizzo got trolled so hard by Hamels' comments.

He didn't. This is all part of the Nationals "We want to start a rivalry with Philly so, so, so badly" thing. See: signing Werth and Lidge, assembling a ridiculous pitching staff, "Take Back Our Park", "Natitude", etc. This was just an extra topping on the pizza.

/Phillies better lock up Hamels *NOW*, before someone else throws some ridiculous wad of money at him in the offseason


All of this. Was at the game on Saturday with a group of friends, all of us decked out in Phils gear. The team is very serious about the "rivalry" but the fans seem to be having fun with it, and both groups of fans were having very good-natured fun with each other. We took some good-natured ribbing and reminded the Nats fans that it's only May so they shouldn't count their chickens just yet. We'll see if this one-sided, manufactured rivalry will actually develop into something more tangible. That all depends on how the Nats' season plays out I guess.

The only stupid stuff I witnessed was the handful of Eagles chants. I guess they were trying to make fun of the Redskins, but it's not as if the Eagles are any less embarrassing than the Skins.
 
2012-05-07 11:23:38 AM
Gutsy play, a good throw might have got him but no chance once Ruiz had to reach high for the throw.
 
2012-05-07 11:24:14 AM
I'm glad Harper has toned down the ridiculous NFL linebacker eye black....but he still looked like a retard knocking his helmet off while running to second last week.
 
2012-05-07 11:32:16 AM

NutznGum: I don't think the hate is because his name is Bryce Harper but because he is Bryce Harper. He once blew a kiss at an opposing pitcher while he made his home run trot.


I just meant my own personal hate. I didn't know that story about him, or anything else frankly, until I saw him playing against the Dodgers the other day. All the announcers were gushing over the kid but I was just making a face at my TV and saying "yeah but his name is Bryce..."
 
2012-05-07 11:34:43 AM

Nabb1: chimp_ninja: Nice combination of guts and brains there. Hamels is ignoring his ridiculous lead, and as a lefty has his back to Harper. With a lefty 1B taking the throw in the standard position (in front of the runner's path, towards 2B), the throw home is a little awkward as well.

It's also worth noting that the reason Harper was on base in the first place is because Hamels hit him intentionally (per the admission later by Hamels) for crowding the plate. Oops. I guess being a tough guy isn't always worth giving your opponent free baserunners.

Phils won 9-3. I have a feeling Hamels got over it.


Yup. But it was 3-1 going into the 9th, and 0-0 before Harper stole home, so it looked like a backfire at the time.

I'm OK with hitting him for crowding the plate, as long as it's not high or low where it's dangerous. If you can knock him down with an inside fastball without hitting him, all the better. Same message, doesn't give them a runner. You're trying to back him off so the outside edge of the strike zone is yours.

Hitting him just because you don't like him? Probably dumb in a tied intra-division game. The Phillies are already pretty old and injury-plagued-- they shouldn't want to arbitrarily start beanball wars over nothing.

What's weird is that in football, where there's a much higher baseline level of violence, it's pretty rare that you see a player blatantly late-hit a guy (or equivalent), then admit it was on purpose. A lot of coaches would be reading that guy the riot act for deliberately giving away 15 yards.
 
2012-05-07 11:36:22 AM

Joe_diGriz: lunchinlewis: I saw the whole thing as a big non-issue outside of one game. I'm just surprised Rizzo got trolled so hard by Hamels' comments.

He didn't. This is all part of the Nationals "We want to start a rivalry with Philly so, so, so badly" thing. See: signing Werth and Lidge, assembling a ridiculous pitching staff, "Take Back Our Park", "Natitude", etc. This was just an extra topping on the pizza.

/Phillies better lock up Hamels *NOW*, before someone else throws some ridiculous wad of money at him in the offseason


Maybe, just maybe, that one is more about being a real baseball team than worrying about Philly.
 
2012-05-07 11:41:24 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: The only stupid stuff I witnessed was the handful of Eagles chants. I guess they were trying to make fun of the Redskins, but it's not as if the Eagles are any less embarrassing than the Skins.


DREAM TEAM! DREAM TEAM!
 
2012-05-07 11:41:31 AM

exick: Probably partially true, but also partially a "welcome to the bigs, rook." kinda thing. I don't have any animosity toward Harper as a player and I like how he plays (though he's gonna shorten his career like Griffey did playing CF that way) but I just feel like I want to hate him based on the fact that his name is Bryce Harper.


Griffey was playing past 40, and basically stealing money for at least the last two years. He should have played CF harder so we could have all skipped those last two years.
 
2012-05-07 11:42:19 AM

SlothB77: With Werth's wrist broken, the Nats are going to need to steal home a lot to score any runs.


Werth has been werthless.
 
2012-05-07 11:43:15 AM

NutznGum: I don't think the hate is because his name is Bryce Harper but because he is Bryce Harper. He once blew a kiss at an opposing pitcher while he made his home run trot. He's a hot dog and there's been stories about him being a cocky arsehole since there's been stories about him. He's an amazing talent and he's jerk. It doesn't bother me, baseball history is full of talented jerks. But if he's gong to be a hot dog, people are going to throw at him. That's the deal, he can't complain about it and to his credit, he didn't complain about Hamels beaning him.


Meh. He's 19 years old. I suspect he has the standard amount of maturing to do - he won't be that young forever.
 
2012-05-07 11:49:30 AM

bacongood: Maybe, just maybe, that one is more about being a real baseball team than worrying about Philly.


Oh, sorry, that's not quite what I meant. Obviously, it was done to vastly improve the club; the trade they pulled off for Gio was a brilliant move, and has set them up for years. However, I can't discount that part of the motivation was "You guys aren't the only ones who can put together a super staff. (Oh, and BTW, ours is about 5 years younger on average)"
 
2012-05-07 11:49:39 AM

Mr. Parker: SlothB77: With Werth's wrist broken, the Nats are going to need to steal home a lot to score any runs.

Werth has been werthless.


Last year he was horrendous but he had been doing well this year.
 
2012-05-07 11:49:45 AM

Gunny Highway: lunchinlewis: The Nats GM is blasting Hamels this morning for beaning Harper. I'm not sure that is a good idea.

Hamels: "I was trying to hit him. I'm not going to deny it. It's something I grew up watching. That's what happened. I'm just trying to continue the old baseball. Some people get away from it. I remember when I was a rookie, the strike zone was really, really small and you didn't say anything. That's the way baseball is. Sometimes the league is protecting certain players. It's that old-school prestigious way of baseball."


Over under on Hamel's suspension? Deliberately hitting anyone with an object going 93 miles an hour is never a good idea. Publicly admitting you beaned the game's potential next superstar? Beyond Stupid
 
2012-05-07 11:51:49 AM

Magorn: Over under on Hamel's suspension?


5 games so that he misses one start. The end.
 
2012-05-07 11:52:52 AM
I like Bryce Harper. I didn't like the Justin Bieber like hype leading up to his debut but he's legit.

He's got the cocky confidence of players like Pete Rose and Lenny Dykstra. Baseball needs guys like this...
 
2012-05-07 11:58:13 AM

Mr. Parker: SlothB77: With Werth's wrist broken, the Nats are going to need to steal home a lot to score any runs.

Werth has been werthless.


So far this year, he'shiat .276/.372/.439, added 3 SB (vs. 0 CS), and played above-average RF.

You could argue it's not up to the $13M he'll get paid this year, but he's been very far from "werthless" in 2012. A lot of guys have an off year and bounce back from it. See also: Adam Dunn's start to 2012.
 
2012-05-07 12:21:09 PM

lunchinlewis: The Nats GM is blasting Hamels this morning for beaning Harper. I'm not sure that is a good idea.


They are now talking about suspending him. I remember getting shiat on left and right - here on Fark and other places - when I try to say "slippery slope" in sports with regards to the rules. I wonder if it is still fallacious.

Like money begets money; pussy behavior begets pussy behavior.
 
2012-05-07 12:27:22 PM

chimp_ninja: Mr. Parker: SlothB77: With Werth's wrist broken, the Nats are going to need to steal home a lot to score any runs.

Werth has been werthless.

So far this year, he'shiat .276/.372/.439, added 3 SB (vs. 0 CS), and played above-average RF.

You could argue it's not up to the $13M he'll get paid this year, but he's been very far from "werthless" in 2012. A lot of guys have an off year and bounce back from it. See also: Adam Dunn's start to 2012.


So true. Dunn only struck out 177 times last season, but he is on pace for 242 this year. He's got his mojo back.

Hamels is an idiot.
 
2012-05-07 12:30:45 PM

grinding_journalist: AdmirableSnackbar: The only stupid stuff I witnessed was the handful of Eagles chants. I guess they were trying to make fun of the Redskins, but it's not as if the Eagles are any less embarrassing than the Skins.

DREAM TEAM! DREAM TEAM!


Well judging by what we can see in the Donovan McNabb thread, there are some farking stupid Eagles fans. And they're very vocal. Get enough Philly fans together and you'll hear an Eagles chant for no real reason.
 
2012-05-07 12:31:39 PM
Enjoy your suspension.
 
2012-05-07 12:33:39 PM

lecavalier: lunchinlewis: The Nats GM is blasting Hamels this morning for beaning Harper. I'm not sure that is a good idea.

They are now talking about suspending him. I remember getting shiat on left and right - here on Fark and other places - when I try to say "slippery slope" in sports with regards to the rules. I wonder if it is still fallacious.

Like money begets money; pussy behavior begets pussy behavior.


It's part of the batters job to make it harder for the pitcher to throw strikes, it's part of the pitcher's job to move the batter back. Fair farks to em, play on.
 
2012-05-07 12:36:20 PM

bulldg4life: Magorn: Over under on Hamel's suspension?

5 games so that he misses one start. The end.


Hamels didn't throw at his head so he won't get much if anything. And (not that it will figure into the punishment) it's awesome that he didn't make an excuse, he just came right out and said that he meant to hit him. You hardly ever see that these days.
 
2012-05-07 12:44:07 PM
News flash: Elite athletes tend to be cocky
 
2012-05-07 12:47:46 PM

Joe_diGriz: /Phillies better lock up Hamels *NOW*, before someone else throws some ridiculous wad of money at him in the offseason


Everyone assume it'll be the Dodgers, but given various articles floating out there insinuating that their new ownership group doesn't have the $2.2 Gazillion or whatever stupid price tag they bit on, who the fark knows.
 
2012-05-07 12:47:47 PM

TravisBickle62: News flash: Elite athletes tend to be cocky


Not just athletes, people in general that are great at something are frequently dickish.

/Fark provides a nice shortcut so you don't need to be great at something first
 
2012-05-07 12:51:45 PM

bahamasorbust: chimp_ninja: You could argue it's not up to the $13M he'll get paid this year, but he's been very far from "werthless" in 2012. A lot of guys have an off year and bounce back from it. See also: Adam Dunn's start to 2012.

So true. Dunn only struck out 177 times last season, but he is on pace for 242 this year. He's got his mojo back.


Number of AL teams that would take a DH who gets on base at a .372 clip and slugs 40+ HR (he's 'on pace' for 52), but strikes out a ton: All of them.

(Maybe Boston would think twice given 2011, but Ortiz is 36 and Dunn is 32.)

He doesn't make lots of outs. He strikes out a lot because (outside of 2011), he's very selective at what he swings at, and he swings hard. If he was the same player, but he grounded out a lot instead of striking out a lot, would you think he is a better hitter?

Dunn's a horrid defender, and that limits his value. His bat is just fine.
 
2012-05-07 12:54:30 PM

chimp_ninja: Dunn's a horrid defender, and that limits his value. His bat is just fine.


Does he still fall out of his shoes trying to go yard on EVERY SINGLE PITCH? I hated him on the Reds because, regardless of the situation, he'd try to hit a 6-run homer. So many strikeouts when all he needed to do was put the ball in play.
 
2012-05-07 12:55:10 PM
Is it just me or is throwing a 90+mph ball straight at somebody a bad idea?
 
2012-05-07 12:59:12 PM

Sargun: Is it just me or is throwing a 90+mph ball straight at somebody holding a wooden club a bad idea?


Yep, bad idea
 
2012-05-07 01:01:10 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Sargun: Is it just me or is throwing a 90+mph ball straight at somebody holding a wooden club a bad idea?

Yep, bad idea


www.chrisoleary.com

"Bad idea? I'd throw it 98 and hit him the next time he comes around too."
 
2012-05-07 01:05:52 PM
I think the EPN announcers and Bryce Harper should have gotten a room last night.
 
2012-05-07 01:07:01 PM
*ESPN
 
2012-05-07 01:13:27 PM

Treygreen13: "Bad idea? I'd throw it 98 and hit him the next time he comes around too."


That, right there, is why I can't manage any respect for the AL. Hamels threw at Harper, and Hamels (whether the hit was intentional or not) had to stand in the box and be thrown at afterwards... not hide in the dugout while a teammate got drilled for it.

If you're gonna pitch, stand in the box. If you're gonna hit, field a position.

(And put me in the "neither side deserves a suspension" camp.)

/ pet peave
// will be at all the Nats/GIants games
/// very worried about the outcomes, as the Nats look good!
 
2012-05-07 01:19:28 PM

Treygreen13: "Bad idea? I'd throw it 98 and hit him the next time he comes around too."


Great pic of a guy who built an empire out of being a middling #2 starter for a really, really long time.
 
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