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(Newsweek)   Is the new Dark Shadows a Gothic romance, a horror sendup, or a macabre fish-out-of-water tale? Let's ask director Tim Burton: "I made the movie and I can't describe it"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 65
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2012-05-07 09:20:44 AM  
Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.
 
2012-05-07 09:22:29 AM  
Train wreck in progress ...
 
2012-05-07 09:23:21 AM  
Is the new Dark Shadows a Gothic romance, a horror sendup, or a macabre fish-out-of-water tale? Let's ask director Tim Burton: "I made the movie and I can't describe it"

Translation: "I have no idea how it will be received, but if you like it that's what I was going for. If you don't like it, you don't understand my genius. "

Burton is hit or miss for me but you've got to respect the risks he takes. (Except for the Apes of Planet of the Apes that seemed to FLY for no reason)
 
2012-05-07 09:23:45 AM  
Yet another installment of the "Forbidden Love for Johnny Depp" film franchise. Whoopie.
 
2012-05-07 09:29:25 AM  
Edward Scissorhands, Part IV
 
2012-05-07 09:29:52 AM  

macadamnut: Yet another installment of the "Forbidden Love for Johnny Depp" film franchise. Whoopie.


Actually, Depp brought the script to Burton as he's been a fan of the series since he was a kid. From what I've read it sounds more like Depp said, "you're doing this movie."
 
2012-05-07 09:31:43 AM  
It will be worth seeing just for Eva Green.
 
2012-05-07 09:35:17 AM  

Carth: Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.


Or, really excellent planning, burying a stinker on a week that is sure to be carried by Avengers.

If you're going to make a fish-out-of-water movie, why not make it in modern times, instead of the 70's? The 70's is now "fish in slightly less deep water" now.
 
2012-05-07 09:37:01 AM  

Fury Pilot: It will be worth seeing just for Eva Green.


Rent The Dreamers and save yourself some money.
 
2012-05-07 09:37:42 AM  

Carth: Fury Pilot: It will be worth seeing just for Eva Green.

Rent The Dreamers and save yourself some money.


I'll take that advice.
 
2012-05-07 09:42:35 AM  

jayhawk88: Carth: Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.

Or, really excellent planning, burying a stinker on a week that is sure to be carried by Avengers.

If you're going to make a fish-out-of-water movie, why not make it in modern times, instead of the 70's? The 70's is now "fish in slightly less deep water" now.


They saw the Brady Bunch movie and thought that seemed interesting.
 
2012-05-07 09:42:41 AM  
FTFA: Tim Burton: "I made the movie and I can't describe it"

Really? I havent' seen it, but I'm pretty sure I could describe it: Dark Shadows is the latest in a long line of Burton/Depp/Bonham Carter vehicles full of dramatic make-up, ironic dialogue and continuous send-ups of something that was popular several years ago. Depending on how you felt about Alice in Wonderland, Willy Wonka, the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise & Edward Scissorhands, you're sure to love or hate it.

Not that hard, really.
 
2012-05-07 09:42:53 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Edward Scissorhands, Part IV


only 4?
 
2012-05-07 09:43:46 AM  

Carth: Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.


Not the first time. And yet Burton still manages to make money.
 
2012-05-07 09:48:37 AM  
WHEEDLELY WHEEDLELY WHEEDLELY , DOOMBY DOOMBY DOOMBY DOOOOM.
 
2012-05-07 09:51:00 AM  
From the previews it seems like a bad 80's vampire romantic comedy, like Fright Night or Once Bitten, but the joke goes on too long.
 
2012-05-07 09:56:55 AM  

Carth: Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.


It doesn't seem that terrible a release date. There's $200 million worth of people who have already seen The Avengers, and even if half of them go back to see it again this weekend, that still leaves the potential for a $100 million opening weekend.
 
2012-05-07 10:05:51 AM  

Mad_Radhu: It doesn't seem that terrible a release date. There's $200 million worth of people who have already seen The Avengers, and even if half of them go back to see it again this weekend, that still leaves the potential for a $100 million opening weekend.


This logic... seems flawed.
 
2012-05-07 10:11:39 AM  
It may be a very quirky, funny movie, but the fact that it's yet ANOTHER remake of something instantly turned me off to it. And I usually like Depp and Burton's work.
 
2012-05-07 10:12:52 AM  

Uncle Pooky: Mad_Radhu: It doesn't seem that terrible a release date. There's $200 million worth of people who have already seen The Avengers, and even if half of them go back to see it again this weekend, that still leaves the potential for a $100 million opening weekend.

This logic... seems flawed.


DEEPLY flawed.

/Depply?
 
2012-05-07 10:15:22 AM  
I made the movie and I can't describe it

Translation: I've made the same movie so many times over, even I can't tell the difference anymore.
 
2012-05-07 10:15:46 AM  
The Tim Burton/Johnny Depp collaboration has gotten tired. If Depp is in a Tim Burton movie, you can bet he'll be playing some pale-face, wide-eyed weirdo with twisted interpersonal issues. Boring.
 
2012-05-07 10:24:03 AM  
Saw a preview for Frankenweenie before the avengers friday morning, that looked entertaining. I knew two seconds into the trailer it was a Tim Burton movie, i turn to my fiancee and go "I wonder what character is voiced by Johnny Depp". Then she asked me "Whats with these, cant Tim Burton make a normal movie?" (edward scissor hands is probably in her top 5), all i can think of is "You bang Helena Bonham Carter for a decade and try having a non-creepy idea".
 
2012-05-07 10:24:24 AM  

Fano: jayhawk88: Carth: Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.

Or, really excellent planning, burying a stinker on a week that is sure to be carried by Avengers.

If you're going to make a fish-out-of-water movie, why not make it in modern times, instead of the 70's? The 70's is now "fish in slightly less deep water" now.

They saw the Brady Bunch movie and thought that seemed interesting.


Hey now... I like the Brady Bunch Movie. It's pretty clever at times, and it's a fun flick.

I'm going to see Dark Shadows despite worries about Burton's direction of late. I'm hoping that doing a straight comedy (well, straight for him) will make for a stronger film than his recent adventure attempts.

It looks like a good date movie, anyway.
 
2012-05-07 10:38:46 AM  

ZeroCorpse: It looks like a good date movie, anyway.


I saw Nightmare Before Christmas on a date. Blech.
 
2012-05-07 10:39:16 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: From the previews it seems like a bad 80's vampire romantic comedy, like Fright Night or Once Bitten, but the joke goes on too long.


You left out Love at First Bite, but I think that was 1979.
 
2012-05-07 10:39:55 AM  

Cyno01: Saw a preview for Frankenweenie before the avengers


I saw his original live action short film, and I'm having a hard time getting excited for the remake. And I say that as a huge Burton/stop motion fan.
 
2012-05-07 10:40:15 AM  

macadamnut: ZeroCorpse: It looks like a good date movie, anyway.

I saw Nightmare Before Christmas on a date. Blech.


You must've gotten some Hot (Topic) action that night...
 
2012-05-07 10:49:21 AM  
I'm so old I can remember when Tim Burton made fun movies. Then sometime around the release of "Ed Wood" he apparently got hooked on the smell of his own farts and started considering himself an artiste...and I haven't really liked a single movie he's directed since. And come to think of it, I haven't seen a picture of him smiling in 20 years, either.

We'll always have "Pee-wee's Big Adventure."
 
2012-05-07 10:51:28 AM  

Cyno01: "You bang Helena Bonham Carter for a decade and try having a non-creepy idea".


Challenge gladly accepted.
 
2012-05-07 11:00:46 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Cyno01: "You bang Helena Bonham Carter for a decade and try having a non-creepy idea".

Challenge gladly accepted.


To a Danny Elfman score EVERY TIME.
 
2012-05-07 11:06:28 AM  

carmody: I haven't really liked a single movie he's directed since


Not even Big Fish? I still love that movie.
 
2012-05-07 11:06:39 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: Cyno01: "You bang Helena Bonham Carter for a decade and try having a non-creepy idea".

Challenge gladly accepted.


My wife would even give me permission...
 
2012-05-07 11:10:06 AM  

Cyno01: LowbrowDeluxe: Cyno01: "You bang Helena Bonham Carter for a decade and try having a non-creepy idea".

Challenge gladly accepted.

To a Danny Elfman score EVERY TIME.


With Depp watching? Because if so, I've dreamed of this moment my whole life.
 
2012-05-07 11:32:35 AM  

carmody: I'm so old I can remember when Tim Burton made fun movies. Then sometime around the release of "Ed Wood" he apparently got hooked on the smell of his own farts and started considering himself an artiste...and I haven't really liked a single movie he's directed since. And come to think of it, I haven't seen a picture of him smiling in 20 years, either.

We'll always have "Pee-wee's Big Adventure."


Big Fish was pretty good. But he needs to stop doing material based on other people's works.
 
2012-05-07 11:35:07 AM  
Fun fact: Burton came theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss close to directing "After Hours" as his first film. He was heavily involved in the pre-production before Scorsese took over and Burton moved to "P-WBA".

I so want "D.S." to be good. Will it? I'll know in another week.
 
2012-05-07 11:39:37 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Big Fish was pretty good. But he needs to stop doing material based on other people's works.


Big Fish was not based on an original screenplay but rather on a (very fine) novel by Daniel Wallace
 
2012-05-07 12:00:46 PM  
I had high hopes for "Big Fish," but it left me cold. I tried!
 
2012-05-07 12:01:05 PM  
It's another vehicle for that delightful Johnny Depp and his biggest fan and producer, Tim Burton, and that's good enough.

Personally, I am intigriued. When I was a child I had Dark Shadows comics (10 cents, Cheap!) and Dark Shadows colouring books. Later I had MAD parodies (25 cents, not so cheap!) The few episodes of the TV Series which I have seen in the last twenty years haven't really caught my fancy much, but it's still a great premise, like an H.P. Lovecraft soap opera with laughs.

I would say I am ripe for a somewhat campy, clever and comic revival of the franchise with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp.

Maybe you had to be there at just the right historical moment. I expect that surviving fans of the TV show (which was interminably long-running but is available on DVD) will not like it. Perhaps Generations Y and Z and AA will not like it. But I think I will like it because I have liked a lot of Tim Burton and Johnny Depp projects even though I liked the non-campy and non-comic treatments as well. I also like Dark Shadows without Dark Shadows, so to speak. The comic-book and colouring book campy, a bit-over-the-heads-of-the-kids version of Dark Shadows, which is the only one I know or care about.

If Rotten Tomatoes gives it a good rating from either critics or public or both, I will consider it a great success.
 
2012-05-07 12:02:50 PM  
The thing about the ORIGINAL Dark Shadows series was that yes, the effects were cheesy and the acting was atrocious at times, but you got to remember that this was a gothic soap opera (pretty ballsy for ABC, even though they were willing to dabble in horror-occult themes in other shows, but not as a soap opera!) and that these were performed Live on-the-air I think. For it's time, DS was a pretty good show if you were willing to cut it some slack.

I still remember the half-days of Kindergarten I had, racing home in time for the next episode, with a bowl of tomato soup (I was a wicked little TV's Vinnie even back then) in front of the TV and watching what new spooky thing "Barney" was up to.

I can understand why Burton took the campy Beetlejuice type route. If they tried to make DS into a serious show, it would be lumped in with "Interview with a Vampire" and the Twilight crap. If anything, camping it up gives TIMMAY! a chance to maybe even take a few potshots at Twilight in the process.

And here's a press photo of the original cast members appearing with Mr. Burton & Depp (they got some cameo roles in the movie btw), taken shortly before Mr. Frid's death.

scifi.soentertain.me

I bet it was a geek's wet dream for Depp that day to meet his "hero".
 
2012-05-07 12:05:29 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Edward Scissorhands, Part IV


I'm glad I didn't live with you little sniper snippets back in the days of repertory acting. You'd have complained that every Clark Gable movie was the same Clark Gable movie, and that Fred and Ginger always seemed to turn everything into a dance routine.

Johnny Depp is not an actor--he's a style, like Art Nouveau or Gothic or Queen Anne Revival. And he's a surprisingly good actor. A thoughtful, hard-working actor who has done a lot of different roles from childhood onwards. Remember Jumpstreet? Me, neither. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
 
2012-05-07 12:09:29 PM  

brantgoose: Johnny Depp is not an actor--he's a style, like Art Nouveau or Gothic or Queen Anne Revival.


While I can't argue that that is what he's become, he once was a very good actor instead of the professional movie star that he's become. The Tourist stunk on ice, the only redeeming qualities were Angelina Puffylips' Titties and ass.
 
2012-05-07 12:19:17 PM  

Carth: Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.


This happens a lot with quirky movies that don't fit into an easily marketable mold - they don't know how to market it and it gets some shiatty slot next to a major blockbuster.
 
2012-05-07 12:19:38 PM  

jayhawk88: Carth: Poor planning on the studio's part releasing it the week after Avengers. The lack of early reviews also makes me think it won't be too good.

Or, really excellent planning, burying a stinker on a week that is sure to be carried by Avengers.

If you're going to make a fish-out-of-water movie, why not make it in modern times, instead of the 70's? The 70's is now "fish in slightly less deep water" now.


2 reasons to go with the 70's:

1) That's when the soap opera was on.
2) The story set now would have to deal with the vampire community, and that isn't the movie they wanted to make.
 
2012-05-07 12:28:57 PM  

carmody: I had high hopes for "Big Fish," but it left me cold. I tried!


Better call Deckard. I think we found one.
 
2012-05-07 12:36:33 PM  

brantgoose: I'm glad I didn't live with you little sniper snippets back in the days of repertory acting. You'd have complained that every Clark Gable movie was the same Clark Gable movie, and that Fred and Ginger always seemed to turn everything into a dance routine.


Why did Bogart always have to be so Bogart-ish? Why didn't Cary Grant ever play a shlump? BO-RING!
 
2012-05-07 02:05:03 PM  
I only saw one preview, but it looked like a Twilight spoof filled with 70's cliches.
 
2012-05-07 02:45:05 PM  
I loved the 90s remake, which was set in the 90s. And kept the gothic soap feel with better acting and special effects. And a young Joseph Gordon Levitt. Because of my fondness for the show, I won't be seeing this movie.
 
2012-05-07 02:45:16 PM  

brantgoose: Crewmannumber6: Edward Scissorhands, Part IV

I'm glad I didn't live with you little sniper snippets back in the days of repertory acting. You'd have complained that every Clark Gable movie was the same Clark Gable movie, and that Fred and Ginger always seemed to turn everything into a dance routine.

Johnny Depp is not an actor--he's a style, like Art Nouveau or Gothic or Queen Anne Revival. And he's a surprisingly good actor...


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Do you know the meaning of the word "contradict?" Because that's what you just did to yourself. You might want to go wash that off.
Seriously make up your mind. Is he an actor or is he a style? Based on the films he's made lately, I'm going with option C, "hack."
 
2012-05-07 03:18:55 PM  

Fury Pilot: It will be worth seeing just for Eva Green.


Not at all SFW
 
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