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2012-05-07 12:26:13 PM  
The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)
 
2012-05-07 12:33:08 PM  

Bacontastesgood: mod3072: most people aren't going to volunteer to pay double just in case

Yet she had the letter of apology with her. She knows there's a problem and is just counting on people being too polite to call her out.


Which goes back to my original point of making the policy clear and concise and applying it uniformly. It shouldn't be a guessing game. There should be hard limits which are strictly enforced.
 
2012-05-07 12:34:32 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I'm 6'4, and there is no amount of weight I can lose healthily . . (OK, I could probably stand to lose 20ish pounds)


Translation: I am 70 lbs. overweight.
 
2012-05-07 12:39:43 PM  
If I carry anything over 50 pounds of luggage, I have to pay extra. If someone else is "carrying" an extra 200 pounds, they should pay too.
 
2012-05-07 12:40:25 PM  

CoonAce: I agree that there should be an airplane seat next to the "carry-on luggage size checker" -- if the revolting slobs can't completely lower the armrests after sitting then they must buy a second seat, or if the flight is full, they'd be bumped to the next flight with sufficient extra room.

 
2012-05-07 12:49:11 PM  

resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)


That is great people are trying to lose weight. That still doesn't mean their weight problem should force me to have an uncomfortable flight. If you don't fit in the seat but an extra.
 
2012-05-07 12:49:42 PM  
Fat people should just fly firstclass with all the people who buy firstclass tickets with their welfare check.
 
2012-05-07 12:52:03 PM  
It's not like any of us are built like flying squirrels; technically we're ALL too fat to fly.
 
2012-05-07 12:52:12 PM  
All I can say to the naive ones here pushing blame on the woman in the article is "Be careful what you wish for." If weight fees come, then they'll likely implement other fees they've considered in the past, such as odor, timeliness to seat, rudeness to other passengers, etc.
 
2012-05-07 12:55:49 PM  

resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)


Consider this motivational.. As a person who has lead a healthy life from the age of about 22 till now (38) I have no empathy towards obese people. I was raised in a fried fish Louisiana family where the average person is 200+ pounds. Instead of following in that tradition (and fark do I love a fried oyster po-boy) I've chosen to stay in shape, eat only organics, and stay away from fatty foods. My average fast food visit per year would be zero. If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.
 
2012-05-07 12:59:18 PM  
She does have a point. Inconsistent policies irk me quite a bit. Define a rule and stick with it.

OTOH, she may not like the airline's method of being consistent. They may use a tape measure to determine her width or they might use a seat to gauge her width. They will most likely not have a private screening booth or room to do it in as most airport terminals are cramped. So guess what, you're going to get measured right at the gate in front of everyone!

I could see the airline asking the TSA gate agents to do the task as people pass through security since there are private screening rooms, but that doesn't catch people who are connecting from another airline. Unless all of the airlines adopt the policy.


Uzzah: Translation: I am 70 lbs. overweight.


*Nods in approval* I'm an inch shorter than he is. Even when I am pushing 240lbs, the seat cushions are wide enough for me. At my current 190lbs, I have tons of room between armrests.

My problem is that I have really wide shoulders, so the shared armrests are a major issue for me. Sitting in a center seat sucks as I am constantly playing elbow wars with the people next to me. Making the seats another inch or two wider isn't going to fix that as that room will most likely go to cushion width, not armrest width.

My other problem is that I have really long legs. I upgrade to emergency exit rows whenever possible. When that doesn't happen, I'm in for an unhappy flight. If the person ahead of me reclines their seat more than a couple of degrees, my knees eat the seat. I've had a few nasty confrontations with people over that. Making the seat wider does jack squat to alleviate that.
 
2012-05-07 01:00:58 PM  

xynix: If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.


Not true. That's how much weight you're supposed to lose if you're on an actual diet, not a starvation diet. And if you don't weigh 500 pounds when you start, because those people will lose a lot of weight fast--then they'll slow down to a couple pounds a week, just like anybody else.
 
2012-05-07 01:07:40 PM  

cryinoutloud: xynix: If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.

Not true. That's how much weight you're supposed to lose if you're on an actual diet, not a starvation diet. And if you don't weigh 500 pounds when you start, because those people will lose a lot of weight fast--then they'll slow down to a couple pounds a week, just like anybody else.


This. I had a goal to lose weight along with my roommate "biggest loser" style. I was running twice a day (at least a mile each time) and lifting every morning for about an hour while keeping to a fairly strict diet and meal schedule. I was in better shape than most people to start with (club volleyball for 3 hours 2x a week), but I was losing just over two pounds per week until I stopped because it was spring break and time to party.
 
2012-05-07 01:08:04 PM  

xynix: resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)

Consider this motivational.. As a person who has lead a healthy life from the age of about 22 till now (38) I have no empathy towards obese people. I was raised in a fried fish Louisiana family where the average person is 200+ pounds. Instead of following in that tradition (and fark do I love a fried oyster po-boy) I've chosen to stay in shape, eat only organics, and stay away from fatty foods. My average fast food visit per year would be zero. If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.


Not every weight loss program is like popular TV shows. 1-2 pounds a week is a healthy rate by any doctor recommended program and all the popular programs such as Weight Watchers. So no I'm not doing anything wrong. You are completely missing the point about not passing judgement.
How about a no children flight or a ban on perfumes and colognes? Those are equally offensive to me.
Btw- I've never had to use a seat belt extender and can always get my armrests down comfortably. But I don't need some unclear policy letting a gate agent dictate whether or not I need an extra seat.
 
2012-05-07 01:12:05 PM  

resauerstrom:

How about a no children flight or a ban on perfumes and colognes? Those are equally offensive to me.
Btw- I've never had to use a seat belt extender and can always get my armrests down comfortably. But I don't need some unclear policy letting a gate agent dictate whether or not I need an extra seat..


Purchasing a seat and getting half a seat is not the same thing as a baby crying or someones over perfumed body. The policy is clear to me: Buy 1 ticket and sit in 1 seat. Take up 2 seats then buy 2 tickets.
 
2012-05-07 01:26:52 PM  
After reading the article, maybe SWA should put her on a no fly list and refuse to sell her tickets.
 
2012-05-07 01:54:58 PM  

xynix: If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.


As others have stated, 1-2 pounds per week actually isn't a bad number. Rapid weight loss through a starvation diet often comes at the expense of muscle mass. Once your diet is over, it'll be harder to keep the weight off because your body won't be burning as many calories with all of that muscle being gone. Another issue is that it takes some time for your body's insulin production to adjust. A fast diet doesn't give it the time to reset. You'll always be hungry once the diet is over, making it more likely you'll pack the pounds back on.

Take it slow, adjust your portion sizes slowly downward, add in increasing amounts of exercise and watch your sugar and carb intake. Use a system like Weight Watchers to help (their info is free online).


/portion size (second helping) was always my vice
//amazed at how much weight I lost cutting out the second helpings and hitting the exercise bike for 20 minutes every other day
 
2012-05-07 02:47:32 PM  

resauerstrom: Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough.


To be fair... If she hadn't eaten the supermodel in the first place...
 
2012-05-07 02:48:41 PM  

BiffDangler: I hate fat people


Isn't it nice to still have someone you can feel better than!?
 
2012-05-07 02:52:08 PM  

resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)


Yup, thank you. However, I suspect that if they couldn't make fun of fat people, they'd have no one to feel superior to. I also struggle daily to lose weight, and I will bet you that not a single one of the mean spirited commenters would have the willpower you and I display on a daily basis.
 
2012-05-07 02:54:13 PM  

xynix: Consider this motivational.. As a person who has lead a healthy life from the age of about 22 till now (38) I have no empathy towards obese people. I was raised in a fried fish Louisiana family where the average person is 200+ pounds. Instead of following in that tradition (and fark do I love a fried oyster po-boy) I've chosen to stay in shape, eat only organics, and stay away from fatty foods. My average fast food visit per year would be zero. If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.


It's probably worth it in the amount of superiority you get to lord over all your fat relatives.
 
2012-05-07 03:01:41 PM  
Since January this year I have lost a hefty 36 pounds using Weight Watchers. Started at 226 pounds and am headed to 170. The average loss has been 1-3 pounds per week. I am never hungry and am keeping the muscle.

There's no trick to it. It's diet and exercise. I like how Weight Watchers trains you to be conscious of your food intake, especially snackery during the day (for me). It's very simple, it just requires commitment - that is the tough part.

/Never going back - nothing beats the elation of becoming thin again (I am just about at "high school size" now)
/Expect to be on a dietary monitoring regimen for the next couple years at least, even after I hit my goal in a couple months. I love to eat.
/"Cured" my high cholesterol and high blood pressure on the way as well, a nice bonus.
/even when i was "fat" I never got even close to "second seat fat".
 
2012-05-07 03:07:34 PM  

zoobaby: After reading the article, maybe SWA should put her on a no fly list and refuse to sell her tickets.


The look on her face when her lawsuit is bounced and she is ordered to pay attorneys fees will be priceless.
 
2012-05-07 03:08:23 PM  

Uzzah: Dr Dreidel: I'm 6'4, and there is no amount of weight I can lose healthily . . (OK, I could probably stand to lose 20ish pounds)

Dinjiin: Uzzah: Translation: I am 70 lbs. overweight.

*Nods in approval* I'm an inch shorter than he is. Even when I am pushing 240lbs, the seat cushions are wide enough for me. At my current 190lbs, I have tons of room between armrests.

My problem is that I have really wide shoulders, so the shared armrests are a major issue for me. Sitting in a center seat sucks as I am constantly playing elbow wars with the people next to me. Making the seats another inch or two wider isn't going to fix that as that room will most likely go to cushion width, not armrest width.

My other problem is that I have really long legs. I upgrade to emergency exit rows whenever possible. When that doesn't happen, I'm in for an unhappy flight. If the person ahead of me reclines their seat more than a couple of degrees, my knees eat the seat. I've had a few nasty confrontations with people over that. Making the seat wider does jack squat to alleviate that.

70 pounds? I dunno. Big guy at 6'4/265? If you think I'd be OK sub-200, let me explain something to you about physiology:

I wouldn't. And even if I did get down to 185 (which, really, would mean losing a leg - I was 215 on the field squad in HS, an inch or two shorter), my shoulders would still be almost as wide. My legs would be as long. I'd still be crammed into an airplane seat that isn't made to hold me.

My original complaint was the same as yours, Dinjinn - shoulders and legs. And anxiety, but I don't expect the airlines to do jack about that.

 
2012-05-07 03:12:20 PM  

jylcat: Yup, thank you. However, I suspect that if they couldn't make fun of fat people, they'd have no one to feel superior to. I also struggle daily to lose weight, and I will bet you that not a single one of the mean spirited commenters would have the willpower you and I display on a daily basis.


actually, it takes more willpower to not be fat. if you had willpower, you would eat less for an extended period of time, and then you would not be fat.
 
kab
2012-05-07 03:12:31 PM  
If the guy next to me is heavy enough to have his disgustingly fat lumpy arm touching mine, that's totally an invasion of my space on the airplane.

If my reclining my seat interferes with the comfort of the person behind me, well that's just tough shiat.

/am I doing it right?
 
2012-05-07 03:26:00 PM  
I'm not ultra skinny, but I definitely don't take up two seats... Although being a 6' woman with long legs and arms does NOT help. I'd love to have a second seat to get some arm and knee space, but not at the pricey going rate. I'd like to have enough money to buy a whole three-seat section as a "fark you" to everyone else... For no other reason than that I could...

But, if I did, Southwest ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS overbooks their flights by a number of people. Every flight I've taken with Southwest (who is the only airline I bother with these days), and the flights my friends have taken, they always need 3 to 5 people or more to "volunteer" to stay behind to catch a different flight because they've overbooked.

So, if I *were* that fat and I bought two seats, do I still get my two seats, or does some asswipe employee come along and ask me to give up that second seat because they need the room? I would imagine that even if I paid for two seats, somehow, magically, they would cram someone in that seat anyways.

/Fly with friends or family and let your fatness be shared with one another instead of strangers. Like my friend. Her boobs could probably qualify for their own seat...
//Would like to point out, despite not being skinny, I STFU on the flight, I don't bring screaming crotchfruit. I put the earbuds in and listen to music or quietly read during the flight. I don't talk, I don't yell, I don't constantly get up to run to the bathroom. I don't bring stinky food on the plane (and vehemently hate people who do so.) Anything I eat on the plane doesn't farking stink or make a huge farking mess. So, water and granola bar.I cram my carryon backpack under the seat, not in the overhead. And if by some miracle I do put it in the overhead, I put it in the overhead ABOVE ME and not at the front of the damn plane. I wait patiently until it's my row's farking turn to stand up and leave, instead of cramming out into the aisles the second the plane reaches the terminal.
///Love Flying... Hate People.
 
2012-05-07 03:32:43 PM  

jylcat: xynix: Consider this motivational.. As a person who has lead a healthy life from the age of about 22 till now (38) I have no empathy towards obese people. I was raised in a fried fish Louisiana family where the average person is 200+ pounds. Instead of following in that tradition (and fark do I love a fried oyster po-boy) I've chosen to stay in shape, eat only organics, and stay away from fatty foods. My average fast food visit per year would be zero. If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.

It's probably worth it in the amount of superiority you get to lord over all your fat relatives.


I don't care if they're fat and I don't care if anyone else is fat. But if my mom wanted to sit next to me on the airplane she better buy two farking seats.
 
2012-05-07 03:54:28 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Uzzah: Dr Dreidel: I'm 6'4, and there is no amount of weight I can lose healthily . . (OK, I could probably stand to lose 20ish pounds)

Uzzah: Translation: I am 70 lbs. overweight.

70 pounds? I dunno. Big guy at 6'4/265? If you think I'd be OK sub-200, let me explain something to you about physiology:


I was just trolling, but since you went ahead and bit, let's jerk the line a little.

According to this BMI Table, at 76 inches and 265 pounds, you have a BMI of 32.2. So I was wrong. You're not "overweight," you're "obsese."

And I picked 70 pounds out of thin air because it sounded funny. But to get to within the "normal" BMI range of 18-25, you need to get down to under 205, so 70 lbs. wasn't far off, and sub-200 is right in the heartland of "normal." Go ahead, explain the "physiology" that makes it impossible for you to be at a normal weight for a 6'4" person.

I know, I know. BMI is bullshiat. "It makes no allowance for the relative proportions of bone, muscle and fat in the body. . . so athletes and fit, health-conscious movie stars who work out a lot tend to find themselves classified as overweight or even obese." So yeah, if you're packing 12% body fat, get on down with your 32.2 BMI self. But since you admit you can "stand to lose 20ish pounds," I've got a pretty good feeling you're not rocking an Olympic level physique. More likely, you're the "low muscle mass and high relative fat content"-type to whom the BMI formula "applies moderately well . . . because it was formulated by focusing on" people like you.
 
2012-05-07 04:01:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So if Southwest can charge people for an extra seat, where do I get to pay for a seat that can accommodate my shoulders and legs?

I'm 6'4, and there is no amount of weight I can lose healthily to fit in the ridiculously small anchovy-based seat volumes. An extra seat to my right or left might help with my waist (OK, I could probably stand to lose 20ish pounds) and shoulders, but whence extra legroom? I can pay $55 on United for an extra 2 or 3 inches which is a little helpful, but doesn't really alleviate the problem.

So if you want to charge me based on size, fine. Just make sure that what I'm paying for actually relieves the problem, and doesn't just make you extra money. For fatties, an extra seat probably works. For biggies like me (again, short of reconstructive surgery and amputations, there's no way I fit in an airplane seat designed for someone 6-8 inches shorter, and probably 100 lbs lighter (I'm assuming the standard is something like a smallish man - 5'7/5'8, 160-170#).

I really hate flying. Good thing I'm not going to Israel in 4 weeks (12+ hours each way)...


// and I can't sleep or drink on planes
// any suggestions?


Try El Al's TA-Los Angeles direct flight. 14.5 hours stright - but at least you don't have to change planes.
 
2012-05-07 04:07:37 PM  
Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night

No, just 99% of them.

Come on now. Be honest.

If you're a 280lb woman on her way down from 400lb you've eaten a hell of a lot more than you needed to for a hell of a long time. You've got a massive diet & workout deficit to come back from, and the world isn't here to save you from your gluttony. So yay, great, you finally looked in the mirror one day & were disgusted enough with what you saw to do something about it. Kudos. Keep at it. That doesn't mean you don't have to buy the extra seat.

Also, speaking as a man? If the woman in the article were a fat guy nobody would give a shiat. It wouldn't be news. It's only news because of the fat woman's hurt feeeelings about someone *gasp* noticing she's a hippopotamic land mass.
 
2012-05-07 04:11:08 PM  

jylcat: I also struggle daily to lose weight, and I will bet you that not a single one of the mean spirited commenters would have the willpower you and I display on a daily basis.


The willpower to eat right and exercise?

jylcat: It's probably worth it in the amount of superiority you get to lord over all your fat relatives.


Sounds more like an inferiority complex than someone else's superiority complex.

I know; once upon a time I was a lardass, too. I realized the twisted, absurd horror and grotesque repulsiveness of my existence and started getting exercise. I dropped 80 lbs. and I'm now at a healthy weight. Eat right and get off your ass. It really is that simple.
 
2012-05-07 04:57:51 PM  

xynix: resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)

Consider this motivational.. As a person who has lead a healthy life from the age of about 22 till now (38) I have no empathy towards obese people. I was raised in a fried fish Louisiana family where the average person is 200+ pounds. Instead of following in that tradition (and fark do I love a fried oyster po-boy) I've chosen to stay in shape, eat only organics, and stay away from fatty foods. My average fast food visit per year would be zero. If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.


You can lose weight faster than that, but you're unlikely to keep it off. The drastic calorie reduction required for a crash diet is simply not sustainable in the long run, and yo-yo dieting is worse for your health than staying overweight.

I know whereof I speak - I've lost nearly 50 pounds (at 5'7") and am trying to take off about another 15. I've focused on eating healthier rather than counting calories obsessively, and also taken up distance running (two half marathons and have set my sights on a full one within a year.)
 
2012-05-07 05:03:04 PM  
Also, 1-2 pounds a week might sound like a modest change, but think about it - let's say a person takes off 1.5 pounds a week per year - that's 78 pounds, and that's a hell of a change even for someone who's morbidly obese.

Two pounds a week per year = 104 pounds, or an entire (small) person. Again, a huge change even for someone who weighs 400+.

Of course, most weight loss isn't quite that steady. Plateauing is a natural part of the process, as is the occasional backsliding. But 1-2 pounds a week, accompanied by sensible, long-term approaches to diet and exercise, is the way to go.
 
2012-05-07 05:06:20 PM  

GregInIndy: Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night

No, just 99% of them.

Come on now. Be honest.

If you're a 280lb woman on her way down from 400lb you've eaten a hell of a lot more than you needed to for a hell of a long time. You've got a massive diet & workout deficit to come back from, and the world isn't here to save you from your gluttony. So yay, great, you finally looked in the mirror one day & were disgusted enough with what you saw to do something about it. Kudos. Keep at it. That doesn't mean you don't have to buy the extra seat.

Also, speaking as a man? If the woman in the article were a fat guy nobody would give a shiat. It wouldn't be news. It's only news because of the fat woman's hurt feeeelings about someone *gasp* noticing she's a hippopotamic land mass.


The only reason nobody would give a shiat is because fat women are treated worse than fat men. To quote Peter Griffin "Men aren't fat, only fat women are fat." I don't agree with this, but that seems to be the attitude of a lot of men, mostly fat men.

Also, while I agree that to get to 400 lbs or even 280 lbs you probably ate a lot of stuff you shouldn't have, but for someone who are only moderately overweight (not the woman in question), there is a good chance that they don't overeat or stuff themselves with bad food constantly. It is one of those perceptions that are always ridiculous to me. There's this idea that if you're overweight, obviously you eat McDonald's and a gallon of ice cream every day. Some people are just fat and while they might make bad choices at times, that certainly doesn't mean that every food decision they make is bad or even the majority. It also doesn't mean that they don't exercise. I'm sure they could do more, but I'm also sure that it's demoralizing to put forth a lot of effort to have little results

I don't know, I guess I've known a lot of overweight people who I see on a daily basis who try really hard to lose weight, they're the ones always refusing the snacks and bad food, they go to the gym regularly, and they choose the healthier options at restaurants, but then they never seem to lose weight or at least not a significant amount. While I can't know what they do when they go home, it doesn't seem likely that they spend all day being healthy only to go home and turn into a ravenous pig, but maybe. Of course there are some who are full of shiat and complain about being fat and claim they are trying and then eat an entire pizza for lunch and somehow justify that it was only a small or some other such nonsense. Those are the ones in denial. They're also the ones that are generally the really fat people.
 
2012-05-07 05:09:42 PM  

PillsHere:

The only reason nobody would give a shiat is because fat women are treated worse than fat men. To quote Peter Griffin "Men aren't fat, only fat women are fat." I don't agree with this, but that seems to be the attitude of a lot of men, mostly fat men.

Also, while I agree that to get to 400 lbs or even 280 lbs you probably ate a lot of stuff you shouldn't have, but for someone who are is only moderately overweight (not the woman in question), there is a good chance that they don't overeat or stuff themselves with bad food constantly. It is one of those perceptions that are always ridiculous to me. There's this idea that if you're overweight, obviously you eat McDonald's and a gallon of ice cream every day. Some people are just fat and while they might make bad choices at times, that certainly doesn't mean that every food decision they make is bad or even the majority. It also doesn't mean that they don't exercise. I'm sure they could do more, but I'm also sure that it's demoralizing to put forth a lot of effort to have little results

I don't know, I guess I've known a lot of overweight people who I see on a daily basis who try really hard to ...


Bah that will teach me to change thoughts mid-sentence and not re-read before I submit :P
 
2012-05-07 05:19:40 PM  

PillsHere: GregInIndy:

but for someone who are only moderately overweight (not the woman in question), there is a good chance that they don't overeat or stuff themselves with bad food constantly. It is one of those perceptions that are always ridiculous to me. There's this idea that if you're overweight, obviously you eat McDonald's and a gallon of ice cream every day. Some people are just fat and while they might make bad choices at times, that certainly doesn't mean that every food decision they make is bad or even the majority. It also doesn't mean that they don't exercise. I'm sure they could do more, but I'm also sure that it's demoralizing to put forth a lot of effort to have little results

I don't know, I guess I've known a lot of overweight people who I see on a daily basis who try really hard to ...


Having lived in 4 different countries and having traveled to 39 I say you're making fat excuses. Eat well inclusive of portion control, walk to the grocery store to get your dinner supplies for the night, add exercise a few times a week with a real program, and you're not fat. Portion size in this country is ridicules.. We're in a reality television world where fatties sit on their ass for 5 or 6 hours a night watching snookies and biatching about how fat they are after eating a "healthy dinner" of "low carb pizza." Stop making excuses and get off your asses because because fat = lazy.
 
2012-05-07 06:02:34 PM  

babysealclubber: Carth: Have a seat right next to the carry on luggage size checker. If you can't fit in the seat you either need to pay for a second ticket or not get on the plane.

This. Right here.


Amen and Glory Hallelujah!
 
2012-05-07 06:10:59 PM  
FTFA: A New Orleans woman who made headlines last spring when a Southwest Airlines agent told her she was "too fat to fly" is suing the airline after she says it happened a second time.

Kenlie Tiggeman, a political strategist and weight-loss blogger, said she isn't suing for money, but wants the airline to clarify its "Customers of Size" policy, which she slammed as inconsistent and "discriminatory," NBC News reported.



Okay... well... first of all, it sounds like the airline is being pretty consistent if they told you on more than one occasion that you were too fat.

As for being discriminatory... well... Fat is fat. You're too fat to fit in one seat. If you don't want them to tell you that, then lose enough weight to fit in one seat without disrupting the passengers in adjacent seats. It's not the airline's fault that you're too fat. It's yours.
 
2012-05-07 08:00:44 PM  

JoeJitsu: Here's the rule: If you need more than one seat belt extender, you have to buy two seats.

/was once pinned against the side of the airplane for an hour and a half flight by a fat lady in the aisle seat who needed the extra extender


United gave a woman sitting next to (more of on top of) me two seatbelt extenders once. If one extender isn't enough, buy the whole row of seats.
 
2012-05-07 08:15:37 PM  

xynix: resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)

Consider this motivational.. As a person who has lead a healthy life from the age of about 22 till now (38) I have no empathy towards obese people. I was raised in a fried fish Louisiana family where the average person is 200+ pounds. Instead of following in that tradition (and fark do I love a fried oyster po-boy) I've chosen to stay in shape, eat only organics, and stay away from fatty foods. My average fast food visit per year would be zero. If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.


"I'm a self-righteous asshole who thinks I'm a superhero because I'm skinny. Also, I don't understand when to use the word 'sympathy' instead of 'empathy.'"

Yeah, that's totally motivational. Thanks for your contribution.
 
2012-05-07 09:05:55 PM  
FTFA: ""Actually, her words were "Well, look at you. Obviously you need two seats," Tiggeman wrote on her blog in a post on Thursday."

juliancecere.com

Yup...two seats. What part of TWO SEATS don't you understand, fattie?
 
2012-05-07 09:18:39 PM  
This is why I don't fly, and if I need to, it won't be with Southwest.
 
2012-05-07 09:26:38 PM  

Cavinicus: xynix: resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)

Consider this motivational.. As a person who has lead a healthy life from the age of about 22 till now (38) I have no empathy towards obese people. I was raised in a fried fish Louisiana family where the average person is 200+ pounds. Instead of following in that tradition (and fark do I love a fried oyster po-boy) I've chosen to stay in shape, eat only organics, and stay away from fatty foods. My average fast food visit per year would be zero. If you're only losing 1-2 pounds a week you're doing something wrong by the way.

"I'm a self-righteous asshole who thinks I'm a superhero because I'm skinny. Also, I don't understand when to use the word 'sympathy' instead of 'empathy.'"

Yeah, that's totally motivational. Thanks for your contribution.


I was fat in high school, and lost a lot of weight in college. 2 lbs a week added up quick. The biggest trick I can give anyone is don't fall for gimmicks, slow and steady will win for weight loss every time.

At the same time, if I can't comfortably sit in the seat I paid for, don't be mad if I ask the FA to be reseated. I promise I'll request it as quietly as possible.
 
2012-05-07 09:52:51 PM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-05-07 10:14:27 PM  

teamwaffle: If I carry anything over 50 pounds of luggage, I have to pay extra. If someone else is "carrying" an extra 200 pounds, they should pay too.


THIS.
 
2012-05-07 10:23:47 PM  

jylcat: resauerstrom: The majority of these comments are mean spirited and pathetic. She is a weight loss blogger, as am I, that struggles every day to do the right thing and lead a healthy lifestyle. In stead of disgusting stereotypes about every overweight person eating fried food and not showering how about you consider those of us that work our asses off dieting and working out just to see a 1-2 pound a week loss. Think she should be made fun of, you try losing the equivalent of a supermodel just to be ridiculed for not doing enough. We are the same people that you make fun of at the gym when we are trying to work out, that refuse the donuts you bring into the office even when you say we can have "just one". Society goes against those of us that are struggling to do the right thing and lose the weight that was gained for a variety of reasons, whether it be pregnancy or illness or injury. Not every fat person is pigging out on fried chicken and corndogs every night, whining when we can't get our asses in the scooter at Walmart. Read the damn article and read her blog before making a bunch if lame fat jokes. (Yes...I sound fat, but I'm working on it, as is she.)

Yup, thank you. However, I suspect that if they couldn't make fun of fat people, they'd have no one to feel superior to. I also struggle daily to lose weight, and I will bet you that not a single one of the mean spirited commenters would have the willpower you and I display on a daily basis.


If you had the willpower you wouldn't be fat.
 
2012-05-07 10:55:55 PM  
FTA: 'She filed a lawsuit on April 20 in the Civil District Court for the Parish of Lafourche in Louisiana alleging that the airline "ignored her constitutional rights..."'

You do not have the right to be on an airplane owned by someone else.
 
2012-05-08 01:50:26 AM  

Endive Wombat: When a customer fatty is required to purchase a second seat, do they purchase it at the same price as their first ticket or is it the astronomically priced purchase/fly same day price?

I know common sense isn't at all common...but it is common knowledge that airline seats are getting smaller and closer together. If you are a person of considerable size, wouldn't you call the airline to see if they can accommodate you rather than make a scene at the gate and act surprised that you take up more space than what you paid for?


Did you read the article?

She has flown southwest before, actually had a letter from them saying she can fly.

The policy was not enforced tactfully or accurately, that is a problem.
 
2012-05-08 02:32:17 AM  

jylcat: BiffDangler: I hate fat people

Isn't it nice to still have someone you can feel better than!?


Nope, but I am sure I do feel better. I wake up every day feeling refreshed and ready to tackle the world in my aging yet fit body.

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