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(ESPN)   Albert Pujols moves up into tie for 100th in AL home run chase   (scores.espn.go.com) divider line 75
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2012-05-07 10:10:10 AM  
He's got the worst stats in MLB at the moment. I hope he comes back soon.
 
2012-05-07 10:23:19 AM  
Karma is a biatch sometimes. Greedy, bastard.
 
2012-05-07 11:20:36 AM  
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2012-05-07 11:23:40 AM  
He'll probably hit 10 HR in the next 3 weeks.
 
2012-05-07 11:26:30 AM  

Shakespeare's Monkey: He's got the worst stats in MLB at the moment.


No he doesn't.
 
2012-05-07 11:37:14 AM  
As a St. Louisan and Cards fan, I was sad to see him go, but comforted by the knowledge we wouldn't be saddled with a back breaking contract for a decade.

When he left, I hoped that he'd do well on his new team, and the Angels would get their moneys' worth.

I feel a bit bad for him, knowing all of the pressure, and the eyes of the baseball world are fixed on his back.

That being said, I'm as smug as a hipster in an Apple store line seeing him fail.
 
2012-05-07 11:47:48 AM  
Albert looks scrawnier than ever this year. He needs to start bulking up on whey protein again...
 
2012-05-07 11:54:49 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Shakespeare's Monkey: He's got the worst stats in MLB at the moment.

No he doesn't.


He's in the bottom 10 for all qualified batters - 7th worst in OPS (8th worst in SLG & 6th worst in OBP), 12th worst in avg, 10th worst in RBI. Definitely not the worst overall for qualified batters, let alone all batters. He does have 6 more hits than strikeouts so he has that going for him, which is nice.

On the flip side, he's still performing reasonably well defensively (10th in Range Factor, 8th in Fld%) so I don't know how those are the "worst stats" in baseball.
 
2012-05-07 11:58:09 AM  
I, for one, want to congratulate Albert for finally taking a lead over me in our shared quest for the AL Home Run title.
 
2012-05-07 12:00:27 PM  

grinding_journalist: As a St. Louisan and Cards fan, I was sad to see him go, but comforted by the knowledge we wouldn't be saddled with a back breaking contract for a decade.


This.

Happy we got his best years in St. Louis, and I loved watching him play when he was here.

But I'm almost just as happy to have someone else paying him for what he did while on the Cardinals.

The Angels can afford to eat that contract. The Cardinals couldn't regardless of how much productivity it generated.
 
2012-05-07 12:00:32 PM  

Mark Ratner: Karma is a biatch sometimes. Greedy, bastard.


lolwut? Guy left to get paid just like many guys do every year in PROFESSIONAL sports.
 
2012-05-07 12:05:56 PM  

Mark Ratner: Karma is a biatch sometimes. Greedy, bastard.


Two World Series wasnt enough?
 
2012-05-07 12:06:15 PM  

xtragrind: Mark Ratner: Karma is a biatch sometimes. Greedy, bastard.

lolwut? Guy left to get paid just like many guys do every year in PROFESSIONAL sports.


Some do, some don't.

Look at Cliff Lee and Jared Weaver. They could have made more, but took less money to play on their current team. Pujols is only making 3-4 million more per year than the Cards offer.
 
2012-05-07 12:08:48 PM  
Pujols is only making 3-4 million more per year than the Cards offer.

He's getting paid $40mm more than StL offered.

That's a whole lot of money.
 
2012-05-07 12:11:51 PM  

Mark Ratner: Look at Cliff Lee and Jared Weaver. They could have made more, but took less money to play on their current team. Pujols is only making 3-4 million more per year than the Cards offer.


Weaver is from S. California and wanted to stay home. Lee ... I don't know, maybe he really likes cheesesteaks and assholes.

And "only" 3-4 million per year is a big difference when it's over 10 years. I'd like to see you turn down a job that'll pay you 15% more over the next decade than you're currently making.
 
2012-05-07 12:11:59 PM  

pastorkius: DeWayne Mann: Shakespeare's Monkey: He's got the worst stats in MLB at the moment.

No he doesn't.

He's in the bottom 10 for all qualified batters - 7th worst in OPS (8th worst in SLG & 6th worst in OBP), 12th worst in avg, 10th worst in RBI. Definitely not the worst overall for qualified batters, let alone all batters. He does have 6 more hits than strikeouts so he has that going for him, which is nice.

On the flip side, he's still performing reasonably well defensively (10th in Range Factor, 8th in Fld%) so I don't know how those are the "worst stats" in baseball.


The lack of power is concerning, as is his inability to draw walks. This is a guy who walked every year about 15% of the time like clockwork, and routinely walks more than he strikes out... it took a turn for the worse last year and now it's awful. He's either pressing or not recognizing pitches well, both of which are bad signs.

Otherwise, it looks like bad luck is compounding those trends. He'shiatting line drives above his career average, but they're not falling in for hits. The AVG should rebound, but the OBP and SLG may reflect real problems.
 
2012-05-07 12:13:33 PM  

pastorkius: DeWayne Mann: Shakespeare's Monkey: He's got the worst stats in MLB at the moment.

No he doesn't.

He's in the bottom 10 for all qualified batters - 7th worst in OPS (8th worst in SLG & 6th worst in OBP), 12th worst in avg, 10th worst in RBI. Definitely not the worst overall for qualified batters, let alone all batters. He does have 6 more hits than strikeouts so he has that going for him, which is nice.

On the flip side, he's still performing reasonably well defensively (10th in Range Factor, 8th in Fld%) so I don't know how those are the "worst stats" in baseball.


Yep. Pretty much the only possible argument would be something along the lines of "he has really bad hitting stats, but all the people worse than him play harder positions, so if you adjust for position BUT fail to take defense into account, then he's the worst."

Except VORP already does that and Pujols doesn't have the worst VORP in the game. Not even the worst VORP for a first baseman; that'd be Smoak.
 
2012-05-07 12:17:27 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: And "only" 3-4 million per year is a big difference when it's over 10 years. I'd like to see you turn down a job that'll pay you 15% more over the next decade than you're currently making.


Factor in the cost of living difference and we're talking chump change between the two contracts.
 
2012-05-07 12:20:31 PM  

Mark Ratner: Factor in the cost of living difference and we're talking chump change between the two contracts


Factor in living in boringville, MO vs living the super rich lifestyle of southern california, I think any cost of living difference is quickly ignored.
 
2012-05-07 12:21:46 PM  

Mark Ratner: Yanks_RSJ: And "only" 3-4 million per year is a big difference when it's over 10 years. I'd like to see you turn down a job that'll pay you 15% more over the next decade than you're currently making.

Factor in the cost of living difference and we're talking chump change between the two contracts.


There's a reason it costs less to live in Missouri.
 
2012-05-07 12:24:51 PM  

Mark Ratner: Karma is a biatch sometimes. Greedy, bastard.



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2012-05-07 12:26:44 PM  

Mark Ratner: Look at Cliff Lee and Jared Weaver. They could have made more, but took less money to play on their current team.


I'm really tired of this story.

Cliff Lee did not take less money to be on the Phillies. He took less GUARANTEED money, yes. But in exchange, he gained a chance at more potential money.

Let me take it to an extreme example. Let's say the Phillies offered Cliff Lee a 1 year contract for $50mil while the Yankees offered a 10 year contract at $10mil a year. The Yankees contract has more guaranteed money, but I think it's obvious that the Phillies are a better deal.

The actual example is less obvious, and overall, I think the Rangers offer was the best of the three...but only slightly. If Lee continues to pitch as a top flight starter, he'll make more money with the deal he took than with either of the other two.

Moving on to Weaver...he was arb-eligible! Not sure why these arb deals are causing people problems on fark (see the Red Sox DL thread for more info), but his options were

A. Wait a year, risking injury or some other problem.
B. Sign a long term deal, giving up some potential money for some guaranteed money.

It's the opposite of the Cliff Lee situation, but that doesn't mean it's him "giving up money" any more than Lee did.

chimp_ninja: He'shiatting line drives above his career average, but they're not falling in for hits.


Hehehehehe

More importantly, I've heard that a lot of his "line drives", well, aren't. They're those weird flyners that should be classified as fly balls.
 
2012-05-07 12:30:34 PM  
How could Pujols leave an organization that has never signed a free agent away. It was an absurd thing that's going to corrupt baseball. Imagine these guys acting like people with millions at stake during a short window of their lives and not basing their decisions on it based on some third grade love of the game mentality.
 
2012-05-07 12:31:48 PM  

Mark Ratner: Yanks_RSJ: And "only" 3-4 million per year is a big difference when it's over 10 years. I'd like to see you turn down a job that'll pay you 15% more over the next decade than you're currently making.

Factor in the cost of living difference and we're talking chump change between the two contracts.


It costs 3-4 million extra to live in Anaheim?

How do the the regular people do it?
 
2012-05-07 12:42:39 PM  

chimp_ninja: pastorkius: DeWayne Mann: Shakespeare's Monkey: He's got the worst stats in MLB at the moment.

No he doesn't.

He's in the bottom 10 for all qualified batters - 7th worst in OPS (8th worst in SLG & 6th worst in OBP), 12th worst in avg, 10th worst in RBI. Definitely not the worst overall for qualified batters, let alone all batters. He does have 6 more hits than strikeouts so he has that going for him, which is nice.

On the flip side, he's still performing reasonably well defensively (10th in Range Factor, 8th in Fld%) so I don't know how those are the "worst stats" in baseball.

The lack of power is concerning, as is his inability to draw walks. This is a guy who walked every year about 15% of the time like clockwork, and routinely walks more than he strikes out... it took a turn for the worse last year and now it's awful. He's either pressing or not recognizing pitches well, both of which are bad signs.

Otherwise, it looks like bad luck is compounding those trends. He'shiatting line drives above his career average, but they're not falling in for hits. The AVG should rebound, but the OBP and SLG may reflect real problems.


Definitely true, Baseball Prospectus has a pretty good article on it (that isn't behind the paywall) Link
Since the article was written (4/24) Pujols went from swinging at 35% of pitches out of the zone to 36% and he's missing the ball on 20.6% of those swings - not particularly encouraging.
 
2012-05-07 12:52:41 PM  
There still have been more no hitters thrown this year than Albert home runs.
 
2012-05-07 12:59:16 PM  
as an Angel fan, i want to see them win, who evah hits the homers.
 
2012-05-07 01:20:37 PM  
God I wish people would ignore the one or two dumbasses in every thread that hate on Pujols for leaving due to 'greed' or whatever.

Almost nobody in St. Louis thinks that way and the people that do are dumbshiats. Not only because of the 'greed' comment, but because they wanted Pujols to stay in the first place. Like the Cardinals (or any team) would have been wise to give Pujols a 10 year contract at this point in his career. The guy was on a three year across the board statistical decline, and nothing this year thus far has obviously happened to reverse that trend.
 
2012-05-07 01:27:28 PM  

Mark Ratner: Look at Cliff Lee and Jared Weaver. They could have made more, but took less money to play on their current team. Pujols is only making 3-4 million more per year than the Cards offer.


pujols could have left the cards years ago for more money if he really was just a greedhead.
 
2012-05-07 01:30:31 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: God I wish people would ignore the one or two dumbasses in every thread that hate on Pujols for leaving due to 'greed' or whatever.

Almost nobody in St. Louis thinks that way and the people that do are dumbshiats. Not only because of the 'greed' comment, but because they wanted Pujols to stay in the first place. Like the Cardinals (or any team) would have been wise to give Pujols a 10 year contract at this point in his career. The guy was on a three year across the board statistical decline, and nothing this year thus far has obviously happened to reverse that trend.


I usually agree with what you say 9/10 times, but there a lot of people around here (not "almost nobody")that say he left for the money and while they don't blame him all that much, they're pissed because he always said it was not about the money. That's my definition of greed. What's yours, dumbass?
 
2012-05-07 02:00:05 PM  

MugzyBrown: Pujols is only making 3-4 million more per year than the Cards offer.

He's getting paid $40mm more than StL offered.

That's a whole lot of money.


$40,000,000 / 10 years = 4,000,000 per year

He would have retired as a St Louis deity. Now he can retire with Arte giving him a reach around.

/Glad Cards aren't on the contract hook
//As a sports fan you're rooting for laundry

JC
 
2012-05-07 02:03:50 PM  

Mark Ratner: Shrugging Atlas: God I wish people would ignore the one or two dumbasses in every thread that hate on Pujols for leaving due to 'greed' or whatever.

Almost nobody in St. Louis thinks that way and the people that do are dumbshiats. Not only because of the 'greed' comment, but because they wanted Pujols to stay in the first place. Like the Cardinals (or any team) would have been wise to give Pujols a 10 year contract at this point in his career. The guy was on a three year across the board statistical decline, and nothing this year thus far has obviously happened to reverse that trend.

I usually agree with what you say 9/10 times, but there a lot of people around here (not "almost nobody")that say he left for the money and while they don't blame him all that much, they're pissed because he always said it was not about the money. That's my definition of greed. What's yours, dumbass?


That is the one point and reason why I'm pretty smug about this situation. It was always his right to demand what he wanted, and after having a start to a career like none other, I'd say he's earned it. His "not about the money" stance duped a lot of people because AP has morals and values and conviction, or at least that's his public perception. I don't personally know the guy or his family, so I don't know who he truly is.

I don't blame him for leaving STL for So Cal. I don't blame him for taking the money. I don't blame him for wanting a change of scenery, if his relationship with DeWitt and Co. was as damaged as the P-D reported it was. I do blame him for lying on record. Fortunately, we're not Congress, so he can't be arrested for stuff like that.

I still want him to do well. I want to tell my kids (God forbid) someday that I witnessed the best baseball player of my generation several times at every ball game in STL. Best of all, I now want him to do this while he breaks the back of some other franchise, because no one is above a team, especially not in baseball.
 
2012-05-07 02:07:37 PM  

JoeCowboy: He would have retired as a St Louis deity


The nerve of that guy for not wanting to be what you wanted him to be.
 
2012-05-07 02:07:37 PM  
This will only get better once he turns 49 on the back end of that contract.
 
2012-05-07 02:07:38 PM  
Back when all this went down with the Angels, someone on the radio said that Albert would have made more money staying in St. Louis with a smaller contract than living in California with a bigger one because of taxes.

I think he left because Cardinals management didn't make him feel wanted the way he felt he should be. The Angels did. St. Louis is a mid market team and the Angels have a mighty big tv contract coming up that will help facilitate Pujols contract. Truth told, when you make it into the spotlight in St. Louis, you're treated as royalty. This was Albert's city and he left it, seemingly because management didn't provide a blank check. If that is the case, hey, piss off. I understand this is a capitalist society and we all have a right to what is ours and what we earned. I won't knock him for taking more money. I'll knock him for the facade he put on about it not being about money. There have been a lot of professional athletes to flat out say, "It's business". I respect that. Just don't say it's not about money when it is. That's my beef with the situation and I feel that's how a lot of Cardinal fans feel.
 
2012-05-07 02:13:15 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: JoeCowboy: He would have retired as a St Louis deity

The nerve of that guy for not wanting to be what you wanted him to be.


Be nice or I'll start hitting fly balls to the rest of your bullpen.
 
2012-05-07 02:21:08 PM  
See, this is what happens when you get rid of the reserve clause.
 
2012-05-07 02:21:44 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: JoeCowboy: He would have retired as a St Louis deity

The nerve of that guy for not wanting to be what you wanted him to be.


I couldn't care less. Sometimes there are things in life more important than money. The extra $4M he got for signing with Anaheim will go to the higher CA cost of living and taxes. He had the chance to be held in the same regard as Musial.

JC
 
2012-05-07 02:31:08 PM  

JoeCowboy: I couldn't care less. Sometimes there are things in life more important than money. The extra $4M he got for signing with Anaheim will go to the higher CA cost of living and taxes. He had the chance to be held in the same regard as Musial.


Well, you say you couldn't care less, but then you follow that up by dictating what you think is more important than money. If being held in the same regard as Musial was important to him, he'd still be a Cardinal. The only people who THINK that's important are people from St. Louis. I guess he'll just have to settle with being a surefire, first-ballot hall of famer who may end up with more than 700 HRs.
 
2012-05-07 02:31:19 PM  

JoeCowboy: he extra $4M he got for signing with Anaheim will go to the higher CA cost of living and taxes.


Wise_Guy: It costs 3-4 million extra to live in Anaheim?


Is there a higher cost of living in CA? Yes, definitely. Higher taxes? Yes. But please don't tell us that you seriously, for one minute, believe that Albert is only going to be making a net of about $200K more or whatever after everything is factored in.
 
2012-05-07 02:31:42 PM  

Tarheel_Madness: Back when all this went down with the Angels, someone on the radio said that Albert would have made more money staying in St. Louis with a smaller contract than living in California with a bigger one because of taxes.

I think he left because Cardinals management didn't make him feel wanted the way he felt he should be. The Angels did. St. Louis is a mid market team and the Angels have a mighty big tv contract coming up that will help facilitate Pujols contract. Truth told, when you make it into the spotlight in St. Louis, you're treated as royalty. This was Albert's city and he left it, seemingly because management didn't provide a blank check. If that is the case, hey, piss off. I understand this is a capitalist society and we all have a right to what is ours and what we earned. I won't knock him for taking more money. I'll knock him for the facade he put on about it not being about money. There have been a lot of professional athletes to flat out say, "It's business". I respect that. Just don't say it's not about money when it is. That's my beef with the situation and I feel that's how a lot of Cardinal fans feel.


Well, you just said it's about respect. Athletes equate dollars with respect.

Wise_Guy: It costs 3-4 million extra to live in Anaheim?


Well, I'm sure the 10.3% income tax rate is much higher than anything he has in St Louis.

pastorkius: chimp_ninja: pastorkius: DeWayne Mann: Shakespeare's Monkey: He's got the worst stats in MLB at the moment.

No he doesn't.

He's in the bottom 10 for all qualified batters - 7th worst in OPS (8th worst in SLG & 6th worst in OBP), 12th worst in avg, 10th worst in RBI. Definitely not the worst overall for qualified batters, let alone all batters. He does have 6 more hits than strikeouts so he has that going for him, which is nice.

On the flip side, he's still performing reasonably well defensively (10th in Range Factor, 8th in Fld%) so I don't know how those are the "worst stats" in baseball.

The lack of power is concerning, as is his inability to draw walks. This is a guy who walked every year about 15% of the time like clockwork, and routinely walks more than he strikes out... it took a turn for the worse last year and now it's awful. He's either pressing or not recognizing pitches well, both of which are bad signs.

Otherwise, it looks like bad luck is compounding those trends. He'shiatting line drives above his career average, but they're not falling in for hits. The AVG should rebound, but the OBP and SLG may reflect real problems.

Definitely true, Baseball Prospectus has a pretty good article on it (that isn't behind the paywall) Link
Since the article was written (4/24) Pujols went from swinging at 35% of pitches out of the zone to 36% and he's missing the ball on 20.6% of those swings - not particularly encouraging.


His strikeout rate is higher, walk rate is lower. As far as I can tell, these things tend to average out, so I'll say it's bad luck, injury, or he's just pressing. One month is a very small sample size. Does anyone really believe that Matt Kemp can sustain ~.400 avg while hitting 12 bombs a month for the whole year?
 
2012-05-07 02:32:20 PM  
Whoops, meant to add that I agreed with Wise_Guy in his reply to the same argument by someone else, in case it wasn't obvious.
 
2012-05-07 02:41:43 PM  
Then, a burst of euphoria and they were all back on the bench, high-fiving and slapping him all over his body. FTFA

Baseball, the manliest of sports...
 
2012-05-07 02:48:30 PM  

JoeCowboy: I couldn't care less. Sometimes there are things in life more important than money. The extra $4M he got for signing with Anaheim will go to the higher CA cost of living and taxes. He had the chance to be held in the same regard as Musial.


Dude, it's saint louis. Having visited both st louis and southern cal I can tell you it would be way, way, way more fun to be ultra rich in southern cal than in St Louis. I am pretty sure as albert sits there staring at his magnificent ocean view that he is not thinking, 'damn, I could have been as revered as stan musial.'
 
2012-05-07 02:52:28 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: JoeCowboy: I couldn't care less. Sometimes there are things in life more important than money. The extra $4M he got for signing with Anaheim will go to the higher CA cost of living and taxes. He had the chance to be held in the same regard as Musial.

Well, you say you couldn't care less, but then you follow that up by dictating what you think is more important than money. If being held in the same regard as Musial was important to him, he'd still be a Cardinal. The only people who THINK that's important are people from St. Louis. I guess he'll just have to settle with being a surefire, first-ballot hall of famer who may end up with more than 700 HRs.


You're right, I couldn't care less. Yes, there are things more important to me than money. Albert showed what is important to him by signing with Anaheim. That is the reason that most reasonable St Louis Cardinal fans are glad he's gone. Franchise is not saddled with a ridiculous contract and he can go pad his number in the AL by DHing the last 5 years of his contract.

I'm sure he'll be a first ballot hall of famer. He's got the stats to back him up but I doubt he gets 700 HR. Now the question is, does he go in as a Cardinal or Angel?

JC
 
2012-05-07 02:52:41 PM  

JohnBigBootay: JoeCowboy: I couldn't care less. Sometimes there are things in life more important than money. The extra $4M he got for signing with Anaheim will go to the higher CA cost of living and taxes. He had the chance to be held in the same regard as Musial.

Dude, it's saint louis. Having visited both st louis and southern cal I can tell you it would be way, way, way more fun to be ultra rich in southern cal than in St Louis. I am pretty sure as albert sits there staring at his magnificent ocean view that he is not thinking, 'damn, I could have been as revered as stan musial.'


Hey, come on, that's Stan the Man! Surely a guy born in the Dominican Republic 17 years after Musial's last at bat would dream of one day being held in such high esteem in St. Louis.

That's much more important than $40 million and a beachfront home.
 
2012-05-07 02:57:35 PM  

JoeCowboy: Now the question is, does he go in as a Cardinal or Angel?


An Angel, no question about it. He has a 10 year personal services contract with the team after he retires.
 
2012-05-07 03:04:37 PM  
 
2012-05-07 03:06:58 PM  

Mark Ratner: JoeCowboy: Now the question is, does he go in as a Cardinal or Angel?

An Angel, no question about it. He has a 10 year personal services contract with the team after he retires.


*notsureifserious.jpg*
 
2012-05-07 03:09:07 PM  

JohnBigBootay: JoeCowboy: I couldn't care less. Sometimes there are things in life more important than money. The extra $4M he got for signing with Anaheim will go to the higher CA cost of living and taxes. He had the chance to be held in the same regard as Musial.

Dude, it's saint louis. Having visited both st louis and southern cal I can tell you it would be way, way, way more fun to be ultra rich in southern cal than in St Louis. I am pretty sure as albert sits there staring at his magnificent ocean view that he is not thinking, 'damn, I could have been as revered as stan musial.'


You work for someone, right? Let me put it this way, sometimes the higher paying job isn't always the best. Factor in some of the things that are more important to you, if family is high priority, maybe you take a job that offers flexible scheduling and real good insurance.

Maybe for the high priced pro athlete, working under the media scrutiny of the east or left coast is a turnoff. Maybe it causes said athlete to grip the bat a tad too tight to try to prove his worth. Maybe this is now the norm for said pro athlete to go 50 - 80 - 100 at bats in between home-runs.

JC
 
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