CK2005: numerous

nope

CK2005: delusional

yup

Numerous people aren't getting gender reassignment surgery?

GT_bike: DNA verifiable male

Unless you've sent your life living in the middle of nowhere you've walked past women, born as women, who have XY chromosomes. So, yeah.

CK2005: Numerous people aren't getting gender reassignment surgery?

Since estimates have around 1 in 30,000 men and 1 in 100,000 women seeking it out at some point, no

cryinoutloud: ModernLuddite: ///It's offensive to me biologically.

I'm a biologist and it's not offensive to me. How do you know we don't have transgender animals? We'd never know. They can't tell us.

/My dog acts like a dude.
//No, JK. She's the biggest pansy around.

Seems to me that there's lots of transgender animals. That would just be an animal that acts like the opposite gender, right? If normally the female sat on the eggs and the male brought food, but instead this male was sitting on the eggs, wouldn't that make him transgender? Or a female wolf leading a pack (even to the extent of humping the other female wolves)? Seems to me there's been lots of cases of this. You're a biologist, you can probably find them easier than I can.

Anyhow, what I'm trying to figure out is this. If a person has XY chromosones but has had a vagina but not a penis since birth, does BigJake think that the person is a man or a woman?

BigJake: CK2005: Numerous people aren't getting gender reassignment surgery?

Since estimates have around 1 in 30,000 men and 1 in 100,000 women seeking it out at some point, no

so hundreds of thousands of people are not numerous... i'm starting to think maybe the people calling you a troll had some grounds to do so.

bobbette: That makes you a douchebag, then. If Bob was Fred all along, and you refuse to acknowledge the identity that makes him happy, Fred should drop you because you're a sh*tty friend.

Nah, Bob's cool.

CK2005: so hundreds of thousands of people are not numerous

There aren't that many. That was for the United States, and I would assume that rate probably doesn't vary much in the rest of the first world. I imagine that rate DOES vary (downwards) in the third world. Even if every person on the planet who wanted to explore such surgery could, that's less than 150,000 people. In a population of 6.8 billion, no, that's not numerous.

right... let's just argue semantics (incorrectly on your part I might add)

am i the only one who had to read the article to figure out who was who from the headline?

You're inside the head of 150,000 people (a low, low estimate, mind you) and you just KNOW they're all delusional and/or making it up. I'm glad you have superpowers.

Virulency: am i the only one who had to read the article to figure out who was who from the headline?

I did too. I thought the inmate was the transgender individual when I read the headline.

CK2005: let's just argue semantics

Then don't use them as part of whatever you're trying to say, especially if you think 1 in 65,000 people on average is "numerous."

Numerous no longer means a large number, it means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean.

Killer Cars: BigJake: Same, but for entirely different reasons

An entirely different kind of not understanding, altogether?

An entirely different kind of not understanding, altogether.



g'DAMN I can't believe this was left hanging for so long.

Prof. Frink: g'DAMN I can't believe this was left hanging for so long.

I see what you did there

Cyclometh: CK2005: Numerous no longer means a large number, it means whatever the person saying it wants it to mean.

You are aware that you are being trolled, right?

damnit... I thought I was doing good in the world!

Cyclometh: You are aware that you are being trolled, right?

Remember kids, on Fark, opinions I disagree with = trolling!

Myria: all you're doing is trying to convince transgender people to kill themselves.

Oh, bullshiat.

Myria: We'd rather be dead than live as our birth gender.

Really? You speak for all who suffer this affliction? When did your election take place?

Oh for farks sake. This thread again.

If someone is wearing clothes marked feminine and/or using a feminine name and/or referring to herself as female and/or using feminine pronouns to refer to herself, just call her by her preferred name and pronouns and be done with it. If you don't know what pronouns a person prefers, ask.

Demanding ID, panty check,and a DNA test is just farking rude. Who the fark do you think you are - the TSA?

WELP, on the outside, I'm human; but on the inside, I'm a pony... I DEMAND YOU ALL IDENTIFY ME AS SUCH!

xebeche_tzu: Let me get this straight. If I have a penis, and I pronounce that I am female, the PC thing to do is begin referring to me as "she" and "her"? No wonder Jethro Bodine goes to so may Fox News Tea Party rallies. You liberals are scary sometimes.

Perhaps you'd care to explain how it affects your life. Aside, of course, from your inability to mind your own farking business.

Cyclometh: Rainbow Dash: WELP, on the outside, I'm human; but on the inside, I'm a pony... I DEMAND YOU ALL IDENTIFY ME AS SUCH!

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Favorited as "Rainbow Dash" in Red 4.

From now on I shall refer to you as Rainbow.

/this will be amusing to me for years.

:D

Mavent: Aside, of course, from your inability to mind your own farking business.

All we want is to be left alone to go about our own business!!! But before you go, you must call me a woman

Seriously though, I'll call you whatever you look like, so if you get angry, maybe you shouldn't dress like a tramp.

GT_bike: So just to get this straight: when a person believes in a Creator of all the well intertwined and relational physics in the Universe we here at Fark call them deluded dolts, heionous believers in invisible sky wizards...

BUUUT.... when Johnny who was born a real and DNA verifiable male decides he would rather be a female and begins emulating the social stereotypes of what one is (for that society) we are all asked to kindly play along in this facade of him believing he really might be a she in her mind?

In short it's good to be an Atheist because there is no God, you just can't prove that.

However, It's bad to be a gender denier when DNA proves the imagination of the individual has them believing otherwise and we should encourage them to permanantly mutilate their body to play the delution to it's fullest extent.

All I can say is that there must be a ton of people who took LSD or shrooms and became ok with certain forms of delusions while railing against select others.

Belief in a god is making an objective assertion about the natural world, and a rather extraordinary assertion at that. Being trans is making a subjective assertion about personal identity, something that by definition comes from within and applies only to the self. The subtle, intricate details of why these two things are not the same are left as an exercise to the reader.

BigJake: Mavent: Aside, of course, from your inability to mind your own farking business.

All we want is to be left alone to go about our own business!!! But before you go, you must call me a woman

The hilarious part is that you probably know women who used to be men, or men who used to be women, and you call them what they preferred to be called without even realizing that their original genitalia would cause you to want to call them something else.

CK2005: The hilarious part is that you probably know women who used to be men, or men who used to be women,

Given that the chances I'd meet someone like this (assuming everyone who seriously inquired about the surgery actually got it) are 1 in 65,000, AND that I wouldn't be able to tell, that's EXCEEDINGLY unlikely.

petuniapup: cman: I have an idea. Anyone want to set up a PayPal account and solicit donations for her sex reassignment surgery? She does deserve something this nice for what she did

No follow-up?

This is a really good idea. A quick google search doesn't show up anything already set up but does turn up Ms. Joffe's firm. Anyone want to approach her and see if it would be welcome?

BigJake: CK2005: The hilarious part is that you probably know women who used to be men, or men who used to be women,

Given that the chances I'd meet someone like this (assuming everyone who seriously inquired about the surgery actually got it) are 1 in 65,000, AND that I wouldn't be able to tell, that's EXCEEDINGLY unlikely.

You've probably had sex with one and couldn't tell.

CK2005: You've probably had sex with one and couldn't tell.

Hmmmm. Maybe that girl who asked me to change my angle to hit her prostate better wasn't quite aboveboard

Neeps: Stop arguing about this and start posting pics of cute thai ladyboys instead, please.



Oh, wait, you say boy not bug. Never mind.

orclover: She? Thats a dude.

Eh, he identifies as female, it's easier and more polite to just roll with it in any context where it doesn't really matter. If there was a legal issue related to the gender or the story involved sexual contact of some kind it might be worth discussing, but as is who cares?

FTFA "Joffe and Dewey developed mutual respect over the years. Dewey wasn't fazed when his attorney three years ago began outwardly living as a woman. She wears pearls and pink fingernail polish now, but she hasn't been able to afford to pay for the surgery to complete the process."

Nah that's...no.

BigJake: Really? You speak for all who suffer this affliction? When did your election take place?

Not speaking for everyone, but it's very common among transgender people. From here:
The National suicide rate is 3 per 100,000 People. The Transgender Transsexual suicide rate is 31% of our group. Over 50% of Transsexuals will have had at least one suicide attempt by their 20th birthday.

LeroyBourne: I don't even want to fathom the can of worms of changing your BC, calling the SS and trying to explain to them he's a she now, or the IRS for that matter.

In most states, it's not too bad if one has had a surgical operation. The SSA is very easy in that case too, and the IRS need not be notified.

bakageta: BigJake: Really? You speak for all who suffer this affliction? When did your election take place?

Not speaking for everyone, but it's very common among transgender people. From here:
The National suicide rate is 3 per 100,000 People. The Transgender Transsexual suicide rate is 31% of our group. Over 50% of Transsexuals will have had at least one suicide attempt by their 20th birthday.

Mine was when I was 12 years old, and here I am having just turned 40, still trying to come up with the courage to transition.

My biggest fear is being killed by "people" like the mouth-breathers on threads like this one.

Who knows, maybe this year I will finally overcome my fears and proceed... probably not.

Which just leads to me hating myself, life in general, and does often lead to dark thoughts.

No, I do not speak for all trans people, however, suicidal thoughts are a very common theme in trans support groups.

Just my two cents, for what it's worth...

Myria: We'd rather be dead than live as our birth gender.

I was like that for years. Attempted to end it twice.

Getting away from my bigoted family and learning to understand myself better has come a long way. I could live a fairly reasonable, relatively happy life as a guy, just like I could life a fairly reasonable, relatively happy life with a thorn in my foot. I simply don't want to. In fact, I'm willing to pay a fairly high price not to.

If I were forced to detransition, though, I wouldn't take my own life. Too many reasons not to.

Eidola: Mine was when I was 12 years old, and here I am having just turned 40, still trying to come up with the courage to transition.

What's holding you back?

Allow me to summarize this entire thread:

Somebody dedicates their life to providing legal defence for people who can't afford itand manages to get an innocent person out of prison.

then, enter Caelistis: and gtfan92:

this person threatens my stable conception of gender status, and therefore my manhood, so



She has accomplished more and contributed more good to society than you ever will, so why don't you go be a narrow-minded douche somewhere else.

Kathrin: Eidola: Mine was when I was 12 years old, and here I am having just turned 40, still trying to come up with the courage to transition.

What's holding you back?

Two things; fear of being killed by someone with zero tolerance for something they can't or won't understand, and a lack of money to transition properly.

I wonder how many people rode the lightning as a result of faulty DNA testing.