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(Denver Post)   Lawyer spends 11 years proving inmate's innocence. He offers to pay for her gender-reassignment surgery. "It was a very sweet gesture on his part," she said. "But he really needs to focus on taking care of himself first"   (denverpost.com) divider line 322
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2012-05-06 09:35:16 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: /"nature" is not defined by what you are comfortable with


Precisely. Which is why people need to hear the truth, even if they've convinced themselves they're something they're not.

redsquid: So if you see a city dweller with cowboy boots and a hat do you get all butt-hurt if he doesn't actually bust broncos and drive cattle for a living?


No, but I do think "lol poser" when I see them
 
2012-05-06 09:35:38 PM

epoc_tnac: And she is awesome, don't get me wrong. But she's still a dude. I think it's impolite to refuse to acknowledge that. That's why "trans" is the third gender. Because you have to acknowledge that the middle ground exists.


Oh, you again.

1. "Trans" is not a separate gender. Although there are third genders. Some people are in between genders. Or consider themselves to embody parts of both genders in one person.

2. I know it may be hard to overcome your prejudices, but your friend is a woman. Try seeing her that way. For example, if we took out your brain and put it in a jar. You'd still be you, right? Your personality, your thoughts, the experiences you've had in your life up until now. If we took out her brain and put it in a jar, she'd still be her, and that includes a sense of herself as a female. Our gender is how we see ourselves and how we relate to the concepts and social roles of male and female. Some people just never relate to the concept that they're assigned at birth. And they can change it. So who besides them should care?
 
2012-05-06 09:36:04 PM

WhyteRaven74: BigJake: So it's important after all?

Not in the way you think it is. And unless you have access to some gene sequencing equipment, not in any way that's relevant to you.


Actually, determining gender from DNA doesn't require sequencing. The sex chromosomes can be differentiated with simple microscopy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karyotype

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2012-05-06 09:36:25 PM

epoc_tnac: LeroyBourne: I'm pretty sure if a man starts identifying herself as a woman, and intends to go through with the surgery, it's just common courtesy to refer to them as 'her.'

I'm honestly torn on this gender awareness thing. I know a pre-op tranny, and I refer to it as a her, but at the same time, it's still a guy. It's still a guy that wants to be a lady.

And she is awesome, don't get me wrong. But she's still a dude. I think it's impolite to refuse to acknowledge that. That's why "trans" is the third gender. Because you have to acknowledge that the middle ground exists.


I guess when filling out an application or some other paperwork she should check the male box. I'm just talking about her friends and family calling her, her. I don't even want to fathom the can of worms of changing your BC, calling the SS and trying to explain to them he's a she now, or the IRS for that matter.
 
2012-05-06 09:36:44 PM
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2012-05-06 09:37:16 PM

WhyteRaven74: It must suck to walk around so utterly afraid of anything that doesn't conform to every little binary worldview you've been told is the only possible order for things.


It must be great to have convinced yourself that people who disagree with you do so out of fear or ignorance, and that your opinions spring from the light of truth and righteousness at all times. VERY comforting.
 
2012-05-06 09:37:23 PM

HotWingAgenda: patternmatch: A closer analogy is if your friend Bob decided he wanted to change his name to Fred. He may start introducing himself as Fred to people before actually going to the courthouse to change his legal name. Would you insist on calling him Bob until he shows you a note from a judge? Or would you just call him Fred, because he gets to decide what his own name is?

I should clarify. I'm a grammar nazi, not a gender nazi. It is grammatically incorrect to refer to someone as something that they are not yet. This is about the physical state. He is not yet a she, so he is still he.


Did you even read what I wrote? This is not, in fact, about the physical state. It is about personal identity. That is the crux of the whole thing.

If a person has come out as trans, it means (if they were born male) they personally identify as female. That personal identity should be used as the basis for deciding which gendered pronoun is correct, regardless of surgery or legal gender marker changes or anything else. This isn't French, where nouns for inanimate objects have arbitrary and unchanging genders. We are talking about people, and people get to define themselves, and consequently define which pronoun is grammatically correct for themselves.

A woman who wants to have kids is not automatically referred to as a mom until she gets pregnant. If I tell my friends I'm going to dye my hair blonde next Tuesday, it would be incorrect for the passersby on the street to refer to me as blonde today.

We have to live in the present-tense, as challenging as that may be for some people sometimes. I would love to be able to make people refer to me as a young man, just because I want to take a rejuvenation potion.


Again, pregnancy is not a state of identity. Hair color is not a state of identity. Age is not a state of identity. Gender (that is, the part between your ears, not between your legs) is a state of identity. And, I will say again, the process for gender transition is probably not what you think it is, so your idea of when it is "grammatically correct" to use feminine rather than masculine pronouns is off base.
 
2012-05-06 09:37:29 PM

WhyteRaven74: BigJake: There may be no arguing with someone who has convinced themselves that calling a man "she" is not only appropriate but truthful

It must suck to walk around so utterly afraid of anything that doesn't conform to every little binary worldview you've been told is the only possible order for things.


So much THIS
 
2012-05-06 09:39:16 PM

eldie: The problem with our criminal justice system is that prosecutors are only rewarded for getting convictions, not at getting at the truth and finding the real perpetrator of a crime. Once someone is convicted, prosecutors have no incentive to further investigate the matter if evidence emerges that questions the guilt of a convicted person. Much easier to ignore additional evidence and let the possible innocent person to rot away in jail. What 's really good about this case is that it is a rarity that prosecutors and defense attorneys worked together to free who they believe is an innocent man. Read about so many other cases where prosecutors put up roadblocks for years to avoid reopening a case where a convicted person may in fact be innocent. Our system needs to be changed so there's more rewards for getting at the truth in a case, rather than just getting convictions. Thank goodness for the Innocence Project and this wonderful defense attorney. Nothing worse in life than to be innocent and locked away in a cell and no one is believing you.


When I read that I heard the 'Dun Dun' theme music from Criminal Minds.
And you are of course right and this is the point of the whole story. As long as she keeps getting justice for people that need it I'll call her whatever she wants to be called. This woman is a hero.
 
2012-05-06 09:39:24 PM

Felgraf: Halright, but what about at birth?


Actually hormones can't change certain parts of the brain, like the size of the corpus callosum, the bundle of nerves that connects the hemispheres of the brain. Female brains have a smaller one than male brains. And in a study of the brains of transgendered people, both those born male who identify as female and vice versa the size of their corpus callosum matched the gender they identify is. And that's not the only case of physical differences in brains that's been observed among transgendered people where the brain they have doesn't fit how they were born but does fit how they identify.
 
2012-05-06 09:40:07 PM

patternmatch: We are talking about people, and people get to define themselves


mmmmm not really

I'm not going to refer to anyone as "your highness" if they think they are a king/queen of something when they're not either
 
2012-05-06 09:43:05 PM

Felgraf: If we pumped testosterone into a baby girl from birth and suppressed her estrogen, would her brain handle it the same way as a normally developing boy? Or would there be mismatches and problems and body chemistry not working right with her brain?


The testosterone pump would really have to come more at puberty. When you give a female-bodied person testosterone, she develops male characteristics and starts to look like a man, develops muscle and strength like a man, and starts acting like a man. Just look at female athletes who take steroids - steroids are male sex hormones.

Balian Buschbaum couldn't take testosterone until after his athletic career (where he competed as a female) was over because it would have counted as doping. Anyways, this is him now:
www.siegessaeule.de
 
2012-05-06 09:43:18 PM
It's good to see most of you haven't left high school. When some of you mature, maybe you'll be able to say the word penis instead of schlong, without giggling to yourselves.
 
2012-05-06 09:43:31 PM
For those of you guys who wake up every morning and don't have think "oh fark, another day of being a guy" followed by a day of pretending to the rest of the world that you're somebody you're not, enjoy it. For those of us with gender identity issues, it is an absolute farking nightmare. Be glad that you don't have to constantly question your personal identity and feel like you are living a fake life. It is absolute hell to be like this, and you will never fully understand what we go through.

Recent experiments with brain scans show that the brains of transgender individuals are physically different in the amount of gray matter as well as the active parts of the brain as seen during Functional MRI (FMRI) tests. So it isn't just a mental issue or something made up. Transgender people are physically and chemically different from cis-gender people. Believe me, I've spent my whole life telling myself that it's all in my head and I can just make it go away if I want it to. But now I'm learning that my gender identity was determined before my birth and there's nothing I can do about it now but enjoy it. Tranny-bashing Fark threads like this make me depressed, but it's also great to see other trans folk in here, as well as those wonderful open-minded people who accept us for who we are and love us for who we truly are.
 
2012-05-06 09:44:47 PM

WhyteRaven74: both those born male who identify as female and vice versa the size of their corpus callosum matched the gender they identify is. And that's not the only case of physical differences in brains that's been observed among transgendered people where the brain they have doesn't fit how they were born but does fit how they identify.


Um, I was sort of trying to build up to that via the socratic method. My next questions were going to be "Is pregnancy and child development perfectly understood and completely without difference every time?"

Followed by "Then why is it difficult to believe a brain equipped to handle female hormones might be born into a body possessing XY chromosomes, and vice-versa?"
 
2012-05-06 09:45:36 PM

BigJake: patternmatch: We are talking about people, and people get to define themselves

mmmmm not really

I'm not going to refer to anyone as "your highness" if they think they are a king/queen of something when they're not either


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Je suis Napoléon!
 
2012-05-06 09:47:17 PM

jshine: The sex chromosomes can be differentiated with simple microscopy:


sex chromosomes don't tell you much, if someone has complete androgen insensitivity they'll be physically female yet if you look at their sex chromosomes you'll see an X and Y.

LeroyBourne: calling the SS and trying to explain to them he's a she now


There's no explaining, you just bring your amended birth certificate to the office and they change it. As for getting the amended birth certificate, unless you're in Texas, you just bring a copy of a letter from the surgeon that did the surgery to the proper office or a judge and that's that. And if you happen to be someone not born in the US, just send a copy of the letter and your naturalization info to the government and they'll amend it and then you go to the SS office with the paperwork they send. The only time their might be some explaining to do is when you want to legally change your name, but that depends on the judge a person sees, some judges just make sure the paperwork is all in order and that's that.
 
2012-05-06 09:48:25 PM

Felgraf: Um, I was sort of trying to build up to that via the socratic method. My next questions were going to be "Is pregnancy and child development perfectly understood and completely without difference every time?"

Followed by "Then why is it difficult to believe a brain equipped to handle female hormones might be born into a body possessing XY chromosomes, and vice-versa?"



How about if you have something to say, just saying it?
 
2012-05-06 09:49:24 PM

BigJake: SweetSilverBlues: Internally they are the opposite gender.

Really? They have ovaries, a womb, fallopian tubes, a vagina, a much shorter urethra, Cowper's glands, etc.? Who knew!


It's at this point I feel I have to label you a troll. Or you believe that people really are just meat machines.

Either way, it's obvious you have no interest in honest debate. It's more important to you to be viewed as the smartest one in the room. Being viewed as an asshat is okay, as long as it's smart asshat.

Well, bye.
 
2012-05-06 09:49:26 PM
Maybe you should work on not being a Nazi at all. This may horrify you, but the world does not exist in a state of black/white, yes/no, man/woman. Trying to force this ambiguous world into your rigid views will only cause you frustration. Also? It's not that hard or even necessary to identify people. You ask them. (And only if it's relevant--you don't need to have my gender pinned down just because I walked by you, or ordered food. You might need to know if we plan to fark.)

"I should clarify. I'm a grammar nazi, not a gender nazi. It is grammatically incorrect to refer to someone as something that they are not yet. This is about the physical state. He is not yet a she, so he is still he. A woman who wants to have kids is not automatically referred to as a mom until she gets pregnant. If I tell my friends I'm going to dye my hair blonde next Tuesday, it would be incorrect for the passersby on the street to refer to me as blonde today.

We have to live in the present-tense, as challenging as that may be for some people sometimes. I would love to be able to make people refer to me as a young man, just because I want to take a rejuvenation potion."
 
2012-05-06 09:49:31 PM

Marshall Willenholly: Recent experiments with brain scans show that the brains of transgender individuals are physically different in the amount of gray matter as well as the active parts of the brain as seen during Functional MRI (FMRI) tests. So it isn't just a mental issue or something made up. Transgender people are physically and chemically different from cis-gender people. Believe me, I've spent my whole life telling myself that it's all in my head and I can just make it go away if I want it to.


So, if "experiments with brain scans show that the brains of transgender individuals are physically different...", then it is "in [your] head" -- quite literally. The biology of the brain (structure & chemistry) influences a person's thoughts, and your thoughts are a reflection of the biology of your brain. Trying to draw a distinction between physiology/chemistry of the brain and psychology is a false-dichotomy -- they are just 2 halves of the same coin.
 
2012-05-06 09:51:26 PM
So, is being transgender a mental illness?
 
2012-05-06 09:51:53 PM
Yet again I am ashamed to be an American. While in most civilized nations the transgendered are more or less accepted without much fanfare, the only thing most people on here seem to get from the article is that the lawyer was at one time a man. She's now a woman, legally if not yet surgically. Big deal, get over it, move on. But no, we have to sift through "OMG it's a MAN!" and the usual childish nonsense that by now should be a sad relic of the past. I think it says a lot about American male culture that anybody who's gender variant sparks such reactionary tantrums and comments about penises. It's relatively easy to become educated about transgendered and transsexual people, and to at least attempt to understand the struggles they go through. It's obviously easier, however, to remain ignorant and objectify them as some kind of joke and as not being worthy of respect. Clearly that's the path chosen by most people on here.

Incidentally, the idea that there's 100% "real" men or women is a myth. Unless you've had chromosomal analysis, there's no way to tell and yes, there are some physical diseases that can result in women with penises and men with vaginas. I guess we should all laugh at them too, though, huh?

I'm proud of the work this woman did to free an innocent man. I am saddened and disgusted that the only thing people care to comment on is her gender change. It's a new low, even for Fark.
 
2012-05-06 09:51:58 PM

Marshall Willenholly: For those of you guys who wake up every morning and don't have think "oh fark, another day of being a guy" followed by a day of pretending to the rest of the world that you're somebody you're not, enjoy it. For those of us with gender identity issues, it is an absolute farking nightmare. Be glad that you don't have to constantly question your personal identity and feel like you are living a fake life. It is absolute hell to be like this, and you will never fully understand what we go through.


I understand a teensy little bit because I used to be a closeted queer. It's not even remotely the same level of pretense and self-questioning. And even that sucked. So no, I don't know. But I know it sucks. I'm terribly sorry you have to deal with it.

Why don't you live as the person you really are? Move to a different city, or hell, country. Move somewhere where you can be you and where people will support and celebrate you for being you. It will be hard, but it sounds like things are already terribly hard.
 
2012-05-06 09:52:47 PM

SweetSilverBlues: It's at this point I feel I have to label you a troll.


Label me what you like. Labeling someone a troll is the quickest and easiest method of not only believing you're right, but righteous as well, so have at it.

jshine: he biology of the brain (structure & chemistry) influences a person's thoughts


but but but MEAT MACHINE!!! or something
 
2012-05-06 09:54:27 PM
Some people in this world are capable of living the life they want without conforming to what society expects of them.

That statement goes for a lot of people, including transgendered individuals who want to dress like what passes as a supermodel, but ALSO transgendered individuals who don't feel the need to dress like what society "thinks" the gender they identify as should dress like. I give props to the transgendered individual in town who rides her bike and wears a dress, clean shaven and long, sometimes permed, hair, but who doesn't feel the desire to wear lipstick or pumps or get a breast augmentation. If you just saw the dress and bike with nothing else, you'd think you were seeing an older Mennonite woman.
 
2012-05-06 09:54:47 PM

bobbette: people will support and celebrate you for being you


Oh God. We're all precious snowflakes where we must attain people's support and everyone must celebrate us. It's a crime against humanity if people don't celebrate us.
 
2012-05-06 09:56:10 PM

jshine: WhyteRaven74: DNA doesn't actually mean that much.

...an interesting sentiment in a thread about a person who was sentenced to prison and freed from it -- both based on DNA.

I'd think DNA-based identity is *very* relevant to TFA.


Meh. None of the DNA tested in a DNA test can actually tell you anything about the person's phenotypes (with the exception of amelogenin). It'll only tell you how many tandem repeats there are at a specific location on a specific chromosome.
 
2012-05-06 09:56:12 PM

BigJake: SweetSilverBlues: It's at this point I feel I have to label you a troll.

Label me what you like. Labeling someone a troll is the quickest and easiest method of not only believing you're right, but righteous as well, so have at it.


I believe it would be wrong to label you a troll if you don't identify yourself as a troll. Why are there so many closed minded people in this world?
 
2012-05-06 09:57:40 PM

Frank N Stein: So, is being transgender a mental illness?


For what it's wroth, it appears to show up in DSM-IV under section 302.85:
http://www.icd9data.com/2012/Volume1/290-319/300-316/302/302.85.htm
 
2012-05-06 09:57:45 PM

jshine: So, if "experiments with brain scans show that the brains of transgender individuals are physically different...", then it is "in [your] head" -- quite literally.


That's not what the phrase "in your head" means.
 
2012-05-06 09:58:06 PM
It's stories like this that make me love this country
 
2012-05-06 09:58:25 PM

epoc_tnac: LeroyBourne: I'm pretty sure if a man starts identifying herself as a woman, and intends to go through with the surgery, it's just common courtesy to refer to them as 'her.'

I'm honestly torn on this gender awareness thing. I know a pre-op tranny, and I refer to it as a her, but at the same time, it's still a guy. It's still a guy that wants to be a lady.


*sigh*

And she is awesome, don't get me wrong. But she's still a dude. I think it's impolite to refuse to acknowledge that. That's why "trans" is the third gender. Because you have to acknowledge that the middle ground exists.

Yeah, clearly she's so awesome that you refer to her as "it" behind her back.

And...really? You think it's "polite" to remind her that she was born male? She has probably spent her entire life in varying states of despair and self-loathing over the disconnection between her body and mind, and you feel like you need to hang on to that? Maybe I've got you wrong here, but even though being born male is part of her history, I don't see why it should come up unless you are specifically discussing her pre-transition life.

Anyway, I hope you don't continue to regard your friend as "a guy that wants to be a lady". With time, I think it will become easier for you to see her as female. And, as others have said, trans isn't really "the third gender"...there are genderqueer folks out there who identify somewhere along the male/female spectrum, but generally trans people go from one bucket to the other.
 
2012-05-06 10:00:32 PM

mgshamster: jshine: WhyteRaven74: DNA doesn't actually mean that much.

...an interesting sentiment in a thread about a person who was sentenced to prison and freed from it -- both based on DNA.

I'd think DNA-based identity is *very* relevant to TFA.

Meh. None of the DNA tested in a DNA test can actually tell you anything about the person's phenotypes (with the exception of amelogenin). It'll only tell you how many tandem repeats there are at a specific location on a specific chromosome.


You realize that there is more significance to DNA than just short tandem repeats? You know, like how DNA actually codes proteins? Biochem 101?
 
2012-05-06 10:00:47 PM

WhyteRaven74: jshine: The sex chromosomes can be differentiated with simple microscopy:

sex chromosomes don't tell you much, if someone has complete androgen insensitivity they'll be physically female yet if you look at their sex chromosomes you'll see an X and Y.

LeroyBourne: calling the SS and trying to explain to them he's a she now

There's no explaining, you just bring your amended birth certificate to the office and they change it. As for getting the amended birth certificate, unless you're in Texas, you just bring a copy of a letter from the surgeon that did the surgery to the proper office or a judge and that's that. And if you happen to be someone not born in the US, just send a copy of the letter and your naturalization info to the government and they'll amend it and then you go to the SS office with the paperwork they send. The only time their might be some explaining to do is when you want to legally change your name, but that depends on the judge a person sees, some judges just make sure the paperwork is all in order and that's that.


Interesting, what makes Texas 'special?' If you don't respond, I'll just assume for obvious reasons. It's Texas after all.
 
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2012-05-06 10:00:54 PM

Repo Man: SweetSilverBlues: xebeche_tzu: Let me get this straight. If I have a penis, and I pronounce that I am female, the PC thing to do is begin referring to me as "she" and "her"? No wonder Jethro Bodine goes to so may Fox News Tea Party rallies. You liberals are scary sometimes.

I don't know about PC, but those of us with empathy generally don't have a problem with it.

Why do you?

Anything that threatens the binary world view of certain people is bad, and must be attacked at every possible opportunity.




Torqueknot: xebeche_tzu: Let me get this straight. If I have a penis, and I pronounce that I am female, the PC thing to do is begin referring to me as "she" and "her"? No wonder Jethro Bodine goes to so may Fox News Tea Party rallies. You liberals are scary sometimes.

Really? Disagreable (to you) gender indentification scares you? No wonder social conservatives act so wierd. It's fear.



/Oh, and it's not about being PC in this case. It's politeness. We all know what gender she was born.



This*

Also applies to people that feel they were born the wrong species. Furries, reptilians, vampires etc should also have their identities recognized.
 
2012-05-06 10:01:09 PM
I'm going to ignore the transphobic farkknuckles and thank subby for the great story, because I've dealt with more than enough farkknuckles today already.
 
2012-05-06 10:02:20 PM

BigJake: Precisely. Which is why people need to hear the truth, even if they've convinced themselves they're something they're not.


And I commend you to living up to your own standards and announcing to the whole thread how much of a bigoted asshole you are.

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2012-05-06 10:03:41 PM

Biological Ali: jshine: So, if "experiments with brain scans show that the brains of transgender individuals are physically different...", then it is "in [your] head" -- quite literally.

That's not what the phrase "in your head" means.


You didn't grasp the point of my post.

To re-state: there is a direct connection between the physiology/chemistry of the brain and the thoughts that go on inside that brain. Change the structure (e.g., trauma), or add a drug, and thought processes can change dramatically. Something can be both physiological and "in your head" at the same time.

When viewed in that light, the phrase "in your head" can have a more complex meaning than just "made up".
 
2012-05-06 10:04:33 PM
If I ever lack a reason to feel pissed off, I just remind myself that innocent inmates have most likely been executed in this country (probably in Texas, under W's approval)....then I'm nice and pissed off again.
 
2012-05-06 10:07:38 PM

BigJake: How about if you have something to say, just saying it?


Well, because it A) Just becomes a game of Nu-uh, and B), because I sometimes prefer the socratic method as a debate topic.

Furthermore, given that you earlier posted the cryptic "Same, but for entirely different reasons", instead of coming out and outright stating what you felt...

Well, you could stand to take your own advice.
 
2012-05-06 10:08:09 PM

Frank N Stein: So, is being transgender a mental illness?


The most recent revision of the Standards of Care takes the position that being trans is part of normal human sexual diversity, not pathology.

"...the expression of gender characteristics, including identities, that are not stereotypically associated with one's assigned sex at birth is a common and culturally-diverse human phenomenon [that] should not be judged as inherently pathological or negative."

Okay, gotta run. I leave this thread in the capable hands of WhyteRaven74, Marshall Willenholly, etc.
 
2012-05-06 10:10:04 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: And I commend you to living up to your own standards and announcing to the whole thread how much of a bigoted asshole you are.


Considering how that word has been defined down to mean "saying things I disagree with" I don't see how I could really take offense.

PYROY: If I ever lack a reason to feel pissed off, I just remind myself that innocent inmates have most likely been executed in this country (probably in Texas, under W's approval)....then I'm nice and pissed off again.


What a great way to live
 
2012-05-06 10:11:35 PM

Felgraf: "Same, but for entirely different reasons", instead of coming out and outright stating what you felt...


Not really. I didn't use the "I'm just asking questions!" technique beloved by the pedantic, Truthers, etc.
 
2012-05-06 10:13:48 PM

LeroyBourne: Interesting, what makes Texas 'special?' If you don't respond, I'll just assume for obvious reasons. It's Texas after all.


Texas is well Texas. And their law is awfully screwy on the matter. They won't just do it, but you can in theory get a court order to order it be done. However there's the matter of how to get the court order in the first place.
 
2012-05-06 10:14:50 PM

jshine: Biological Ali: jshine: So, if "experiments with brain scans show that the brains of transgender individuals are physically different...", then it is "in [your] head" -- quite literally.

That's not what the phrase "in your head" means.

You didn't grasp the point of my post.

To re-state: there is a direct connection between the physiology/chemistry of the brain and the thoughts that go on inside that brain. Change the structure (e.g., trauma), or add a drug, and thought processes can change dramatically. Something can be both physiological and "in your head" at the same time.

When viewed in that light, the phrase "in your head" can have a more complex meaning than just "made up".


"All in your head" is a common expression that means "imaginary". People occasionally use an overly literal interpretation in certain contexts (like a person with a brain tumor joking, "See, it was all in my head after all!"), but even those uses only work because of how different they are from the commonly-used meaning.

Carry on if you must, but you've got to realize that attempting to contrive new meanings for ubiquitous expressions is liable to result in confusion and misunderstanding.
 
2012-05-06 10:14:54 PM

BigJake: Felgraf: "Same, but for entirely different reasons", instead of coming out and outright stating what you felt...

Not really. I didn't use the "I'm just asking questions!" technique beloved by the pedantic, Truthers, etc.


Wow, so Socrates was a pedantic truther?

Learn something new everyday.
The other reason for asking questions is, frankly, we can't actually have a *debate* if we're starting from different axiomatic positions. Otherwise, you get "1+1 is 2"! "What? No, 1+1 is 10!", which are both right, but one's using binary and the other's using something that isn't base 2.
 
2012-05-06 10:17:07 PM
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Your Honor, Penis goes in the waste basket.
 
2012-05-06 10:19:46 PM
Anyone who comes away from that story obsessed with the fact that Joffe was born with a penis probably comes away from a good football game pissed off that the hotdogs were so small.
 
2012-05-06 10:20:02 PM

Felgraf: Wow, so Socrates was a pedantic truther?

Otherwise, you get "1+1 is 2"! "What? No, 1+1 is 10!", which are both right, but one's using binary and the other's using something that isn't base 2.


How precious. You have a touch of the 'burgers, don't you
 
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