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(France 24)   Socialist François Hollande elected French president with 51.9% of the vote. Commence with the surrender jokes   ( france24.com) divider line
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2012-05-06 02:38:50 PM  
Mon dieu.
 
2012-05-06 02:38:55 PM  
YAY SOSHALISM!
 
2012-05-06 02:39:03 PM  
But I am le tired
 
2012-05-06 02:39:07 PM  
Still less Socialist than Obama, because Obama keeps it a secret.
 
2012-05-06 02:39:07 PM  
Still better than Obama.
 
2012-05-06 02:39:27 PM  
Finally, FOX can go back to hating the French again.
 
2012-05-06 02:39:48 PM  

tarheel07: But I am le tired


then take a nap..
Bush: "FIRE ZE MISSILES!!!!"
 
2012-05-06 02:39:58 PM  

tarheel07: But I am le tired


well, take a nap, then FIRE ZE MISSILES
 
2012-05-06 02:40:05 PM  
The correct headline is "Hollande Conquers France" I just can't find any news sites smart enough to know this though.
 
2012-05-06 02:40:10 PM  
Out of all people they had, they elected a farking Norman? WTF is wrong with you people?
 
2012-05-06 02:40:11 PM  
Elect a Socialist. Sounds like France has been hitting...

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The sauce.
 
2012-05-06 02:40:16 PM  

tarheel07: But I am le tired


Well, have a nap
 
2012-05-06 02:40:51 PM  
Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.
 
2012-05-06 02:41:08 PM  
Sacre bleu! C'est tragique!
 
2012-05-06 02:41:38 PM  
Socialism - the wacky idea that everyone should benefit from an improving economy.

No wonder it'll never work.
 
2012-05-06 02:41:42 PM  
When do they surrender to Spain?
 
2012-05-06 02:41:48 PM  

Free Radical: Finally, FOX can go back to hating the French again.


Did they ever stop?

I think a lot of electoral chaos will be sweeping across Europe. Asia will stay on its various courses at least until economic collapse hits China, and naturally nothing ever improves in the USA.

♫ What a wonderful world ♫
 
2012-05-06 02:42:00 PM  
Oh, this thread is gonna be good...

*Grabs popcorn*
 
2012-05-06 02:42:01 PM  

Free Radical: Finally, FOX can go back to hating the French again.


They hated France when Chirac was in charge and he was in the same party as Sarkozy. Fox hates France no matter what they do.

Headline flashing on BBC News:

"Sarkozy: Let's be a united and patriotic France"

Won't see any Americans politicians saying anything like that.
 
2012-05-06 02:42:06 PM  
Dammit. OK. Here's mine

France surrenders to the March of History

Why that was not trollish enough for a green, I do not know
 
2012-05-06 02:42:19 PM  
Gotta say this should be fun to watch.
 
2012-05-06 02:42:24 PM  
Good.

Sarcozy is a tool.
 
2012-05-06 02:42:50 PM  
So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?
 
2012-05-06 02:42:54 PM  
This isn't that weird. The French president in the nineties was socialist.
 
2012-05-06 02:43:18 PM  

cman: Out of all people they had, they elected a farking Norman? WTF is wrong with you people?


Maybe France were fans of Greg
 
2012-05-06 02:43:29 PM  
Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.
 
2012-05-06 02:43:46 PM  

kxs401: Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.


its really very simple - if you aren't a pro-Jesus republican then you are a dirty atheist socialist. that's the Republican way! which is like the chicago way, only with more tax breaks and less murder.

as for the article...if France elects a socialist does that mean we have to invade them?
 
2012-05-06 02:43:47 PM  
I think anyone who thinks the France/surrenders hurr durr joke is funny surrendered their sense of humor long ago.
 
2012-05-06 02:44:15 PM  
I think at this point they're screwed no matter who's in charge.
 
2012-05-06 02:44:31 PM  

jagabaya: Good.

Sarcozy is a tool.


I did respect the man's taste when it came to women's posteriors.

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2012-05-06 02:44:37 PM  
It's back to freedom fries for this here red-blooded American.
 
2012-05-06 02:44:38 PM  
submitter sounds insecure about his own country.
 
2012-05-06 02:44:40 PM  
Let them eat Eggs Benedict!

/Got nothing.

So... austerity programs not particularly popular.

Heh, who'da thunk?
 
2012-05-06 02:44:45 PM  

dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?


From the NY Times:

"Analysts have said Mr. Sarkozy will need the votes of an overwhelming majority of Ms. Le Pen's supporters to win. But the latest surveys show the president getting little more than 50 percent of the National Front vote."
 
2012-05-06 02:44:48 PM  
Well so much for the EU the way Germany wants it.
 
2012-05-06 02:45:22 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.


His positions are all on his wikipedia page. Nothing insane as far as I can see, though certainly he'd be a far leftist in America.
 
2012-05-06 02:45:31 PM  
France was Socialist before. But now it's Double Socialist.
 
2012-05-06 02:45:39 PM  
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2012-05-06 02:45:47 PM  
I'll always remember Sarkozy for giving us this moment, which led to one of my best headlines:

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2012-05-06 02:45:59 PM  

quatchi: So... austerity programs not particularly popular.

Heh, who'da thunk?


austerity programs usually translate as 'f*ck the poor/protect the rich'. i'm sure that sort of plan is wildly popular with around 1% of the population.
 
2012-05-06 02:46:00 PM  

leevis: I think at this point they're screwed no matter who's in charge.


I thought France was one of the better off countries in Europe. The only reason they're in trouble is that they own a good bit of the debt in the countries that are actually sucking right now (Italy, Greece, Spain, etc.)

Correct me if I'm wrong though.
 
2012-05-06 02:46:05 PM  
Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.
 
2012-05-06 02:46:09 PM  

cman: Out of all people they had, they elected a farking Norman? WTF is wrong with you people?


Hey at least this time they didn't just burn the city and announce their over-lordship. The really important question here is whether the new guy's wife is hot.

/I'm betting that's a big no
 
2012-05-06 02:46:12 PM  
Well, the euro is farked.
 
2012-05-06 02:46:28 PM  
You mean that N'z in Paris ad worked??!
 
2012-05-06 02:47:01 PM  
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2012-05-06 02:47:05 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I thought France was one of the better off countries in Europe.


Depends on the metric. I mean, they are a large country so they have a lot of stuff, but they do have very high unemployment and they have serious social problems.
 
2012-05-06 02:47:07 PM  

kxs401: Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.


came here to say this.
 
2012-05-06 02:47:13 PM  

Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.


if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.
 
2012-05-06 02:47:25 PM  
Hollande makes Obama look like a hardcore Tea Partier, but Fox will still treat them exactly the same.
 
2012-05-06 02:47:29 PM  
What Wall St Firm did he work for?
 
2012-05-06 02:47:38 PM  
 
2012-05-06 02:48:00 PM  

Weaver95: as for the article...if France elects a socialist does that mean we have to invade them?


We've certainly established a precedent that we believe it is our right to do so. And the rest of the world didn't really do much to stop us other than some grumbling here and there. So I really don't see why we shouldn't. You know, for national security.
 
2012-05-06 02:48:03 PM  

dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?


My understanding is that Marine Le Pen gave the finger to Sarkozy and said she would cast a blank ballot.
 
2012-05-06 02:48:05 PM  
So has he been promising change and going to give billions of dollars in stimulus funds and not have it do anything?
 
2012-05-06 02:48:06 PM  

quickdraw: Well so much for the EU the way Germany wants it.


Apparently there isn't enough excitement in the EU.

This will fix that nicely.
 
2012-05-06 02:48:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:


Doe this even matter? No offense to the Greeks, but it seems like their fate is sort of out of their control.
 
2012-05-06 02:49:27 PM  
I hope Hollande not only ends up saving France, but that his policies will become an inspiration/blueprint to the rest of the EU (and dare I say, the US as well)? It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

It would drive the right wing so WHARRGARBL-y to find out that hey, socialism is better than "trickle down" economics after all.
 
2012-05-06 02:50:08 PM  
Monseiur Hollande already has a plan. In order to feed the proletariat, he is going to reduce the size of France's standing army. He should get a good return on that program though.


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2012-05-06 02:50:20 PM  

Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.


Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.
 
2012-05-06 02:50:58 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.


He opposes the european austerity measures and wants to actually try and rebuild the economy before trying to pay down debts. I'm sure he has other goals, but that's what he was elected on. Sarkozy was for austerity and the German plan, Hollande was opposed.
 
2012-05-06 02:51:01 PM  
According to some articles, it appears the French 'wealthy' are eyeing a surrender across the channel...

...just like Alec Baldwin fled when GWB was elected...
 
2012-05-06 02:51:47 PM  
Still better than Hitler
 
2012-05-06 02:53:03 PM  

Styro Foam: Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.

Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.


If the system collapse in Europe it will DEFINITELY impact us here because we do a lot of trading with them. They're a part of the reason our recovery has been so damn slow. Same goes with China which seems to be denying itself that they're on a bubble.
 
2012-05-06 02:53:09 PM  

Styro Foam: Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.

Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.


when countries go broke all sudden like, they tend to get stabby. then then start invading other countries and stealing their stuff.

I'd really like to avoid another world war. can't we all just agree that this whole thing is the fault of goldman-sachs and put those greedy f*ckers on trial?
 
2012-05-06 02:53:44 PM  

quickdraw: Well so much for the EU the way Germany wants it.


It wouldn't be the first time that's happened.
 
2012-05-06 02:53:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

Doe this even matter? No offense to the Greeks, but it seems like their fate is sort of out of their control.


No, they've dug too deep. They're pretty much only delaying the inevitable at this point.
 
2012-05-06 02:53:55 PM  

Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

The neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party could enter parliament for the first time if the exit poll prediction of it winning 6.5 -7.5% of the vote comes to fruition.


wat.
 
2012-05-06 02:54:44 PM  
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"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"
 
2012-05-06 02:55:34 PM  
and the French are still not going to win L' Tour d' France!
 
2012-05-06 02:55:50 PM  

smooshie: Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

The neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party could enter parliament for the first time if the exit poll prediction of it winning 6.5 -7.5% of the vote comes to fruition.

wat.


We never learned from the 1930's did we?
 
2012-05-06 02:56:13 PM  
So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-05-06 02:57:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Styro Foam: Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.

Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.

If the system collapse in Europe it will DEFINITELY impact us here because we do a lot of trading with them. They're a part of the reason our recovery has been so damn slow. Same goes with China which seems to be denying itself that they're on a bubble.


yeah...now all we need is for the chinese bubble to pop and that's it - Great Depression 2.0 and we'll be knee deep in dominionist theocrats and evangelicals.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:13 PM  

Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?


Makes for good soccer games though.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:29 PM  
How the far-right was the real winner in French elections.

I'm not sure I'd agree, but... I'll miss Carla Bruni.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:32 PM  
Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:56 PM  
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2012-05-06 02:59:01 PM  

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


Scandanavia is doing pretty well and they use left-wing ideas.

But you're nothing more than a binary thinking troll so why should I bother?
 
2012-05-06 02:59:04 PM  
"But, but.. .SOSHLIZMS!" If you can install a government whose actual mission is to support the society it portends to serve while maintaining a robust but regulated capitalist engine and not steal or get fat with pelf on the public's dime, you will have done what every other leader in history said they wanted to do, and would do, but didn't. I don't care if you call it the burnt waffle and cheese sandwich party. "You can call the band 'sh*t' if the record sells" - Craig Balzer.
 
2012-05-06 02:59:38 PM  
I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.
 
2012-05-06 02:59:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.

Scandanavia is doing pretty well and they use left-wing ideas.

But you're nothing more than a binary thinking troll so why should I bother?


No no that doesn't count whenever it works.
 
2012-05-06 03:00:17 PM  
Means nothing until the results of the parliamentary elections are in come June 17th.
 
2012-05-06 03:00:41 PM  

WizardofToast: smooshie: Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

The neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party could enter parliament for the first time if the exit poll prediction of it winning 6.5 -7.5% of the vote comes to fruition.

wat.

We never learned from the 1930's did we?


we DID learn a number of lessons form the 30's. what we DIDN'T do is remember those lessons. And you can't even blame one particular party or age group for this mess. a whole lot of people over a couple of decades all got together and denied reality, then stripped out all the common sense restrictions that got put into place to prevent another Great Depression from happening.
 
2012-05-06 03:00:57 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I hope Hollande not only ends up saving France, but that his policies will become an inspiration/blueprint to the rest of the EU (and dare I say, the US as well)? It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

It would drive the right wing so WHARRGARBL-y to find out that hey, socialism is better than "trickle down" economics after all.


shiat, actually doing nothing is probably better for the economy than "trickle down" economics.
 
2012-05-06 03:01:05 PM  

cptjeff: HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.

He opposes the european austerity measures and wants to actually try and rebuild the economy before trying to pay down debts. I'm sure he has other goals, but that's what he was elected on. Sarkozy was for austerity and the German plan, Hollande was opposed.


I think he's right about premature austerity and the damage that has already done to Europe, but things like rolling back the retirement age to 60 from 62 are unsustainable in the long term if you want to be able to pay down debt between crisis rather than ending up like Greece where all counter-cyclical capability is gone.
 
2012-05-06 03:02:15 PM  

T-Servo: How the far-right was the real winner in French elections.

I'm not sure I'd agree, but... I'll miss Carla Bruni.


So the far right was able to pull the losers farther right. Yep, big winners there, manipulating the people who end up with no power. I predict similar "big wins" by the Tea party this fall here in the US.
 
2012-05-06 03:02:17 PM  

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


Goldman-Sachs are left wing liberals...?

this collapse has nothing to do with socialism. its the fault of banks and investors running around without controls or even common sense.
 
2012-05-06 03:02:29 PM  
The whole world economy needs to crash so we can start over
 
2012-05-06 03:03:22 PM  
Surrender? If I remember right the true socialists from WW2 did pretty well for themselves and surrender was never really an option.
 
2012-05-06 03:03:47 PM  

TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.


The part that seems to have you confused is that it was socialist policies that caused their problems in the first place. It's not like the austerity measures were in place for the past 30 years while debt piled up.
 
2012-05-06 03:03:49 PM  

Snarfangel: I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.


well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed. so why not try a keynesian approach -- one that has actually worked in the past? (but if they do, let's see if they actually pay it back per the second part of the keynes model).
 
2012-05-06 03:04:22 PM  
if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:29 PM  
Commie French, Nazi Greeks and Marxist Americans. Well played Mayans.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:43 PM  

quatchi: Let them eat Eggs Benedict!

/Got nothing.

So... austerity programs not particularly popular.

Heh, who'da thunk?


Not to mention counterproductive. Decades from now, people will look back on the austerity measures and wonder what the hell they were thinking.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:46 PM  
Hollande was endorsed by the

flynn80: What Wall St Firm did he work for?


he didn't, but he was endorsed by the CEO of Lazard.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:48 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

The part that seems to have you confused is that it was socialist policies that caused their problems in the first place. It's not like the austerity measures were in place for the past 30 years while debt piled up.


It doesn't help when you don't enforce your tax policies either (ie: Greece).
 
2012-05-06 03:04:49 PM  

Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?


Nuclear war by the end of 2014. You heard it here first, folks.
 
2012-05-06 03:05:21 PM  

TravisBickle62: Still better than Hitler


I snickered.
 
2012-05-06 03:05:35 PM  

FlashHarry: well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed.


It obviously failed because it wasn't conservative ENOUGH.

/standard conservative excuse for their failures
 
2012-05-06 03:06:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Free Radical: Finally, FOX can go back to hating the French again.

They hated France when Chirac was in charge and he was in the same party as Sarkozy. Fox hates France no matter what they do.

Headline flashing on BBC News:

"Sarkozy: Let's be a united and patriotic France"

Won't see any Americans politicians saying anything like that.


I'm pretty sure you hear every American politician say that. Before and after which they tell their audience that half of the country wants to destroy everything that America stands for.
 
2012-05-06 03:06:42 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Marxist Americans


i wonder how many actual "marxist" americans there are in 2012. i'm guessing somewhere around 20 or so.
 
2012-05-06 03:06:50 PM  

Hagbardr: Decades from now, people will look back on the austerity measures and wonder what the hell they were thinking.


And five years after, everyone will have forgotten and try it again.
 
2012-05-06 03:07:15 PM  

Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.


The global economy is now an etch a sketch with no silver on the screen. Time to shake it and start over. We need to stop blowing bubbles and the people who crate them.
 
2012-05-06 03:07:21 PM  

dehehn: Mrtraveler01: Free Radical: Finally, FOX can go back to hating the French again.

They hated France when Chirac was in charge and he was in the same party as Sarkozy. Fox hates France no matter what they do.

Headline flashing on BBC News:

"Sarkozy: Let's be a united and patriotic France"

Won't see any Americans politicians saying anything like that.

I'm pretty sure you hear every American politician say that. Before and after which they tell their audience that half of the country wants to destroy everything that America stands for.


Good point.
 
2012-05-06 03:07:29 PM  

FlashHarry: Snarfangel: I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.

well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed. so why not try a keynesian approach -- one that has actually worked in the past? (but if they do, let's see if they actually pay it back per the second part of the keynes model).


No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.
 
2012-05-06 03:08:01 PM  

Serious Black: Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?

Nuclear war by the end of 2014. You heard it here first, folks.


only in your dreams
 
2012-05-06 03:08:06 PM  

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


You mean left wing ideas like the free market paradises of Ireland and Iceland collapsing? Or the left wing Goldman Sachs who helped Greece hide their debt to get around EU deficit restrictions? Or the left wing housing bubble that's bringing down Spain and Portugal? Or the left wing British banks that are still loaded with toxic assets which are driving the UK back into a recession? Or what about the left wing "Tiger of Eastern Europe" Romania, which was the fastest growing European economy until the global economic contraction took down their government? Exactly which left wing ideas are causing this massive continent-wide failure?
 
2012-05-06 03:08:35 PM  
On 26 January he outlined a full list of policies in a manifesto containing 60 propositions, including the separation of retail activities from riskier investment-banking businesses, raising taxes for big corporations, banks and the wealthy, creating 60,000 teaching jobs, bringing the official retirement age back down to 60 from 62, creating subsidised jobs in areas of high unemployment for the young, promoting more industry in France by creating a public investment bank, granting marriage and adoption rights to same-sex couples, and pulling French troops out of Afghanistan in 2012.

Wouldn't it be nice...
 
2012-05-06 03:09:25 PM  

Tax Boy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x433]

"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"


Tomorrow's headline "Bruni divorces Sarkozy, realizes he is an ugly little man with no power or influence"
 
2012-05-06 03:09:37 PM  

Serious Black: FlashHarry: Snarfangel: I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.

well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed. so why not try a keynesian approach -- one that has actually worked in the past? (but if they do, let's see if they actually pay it back per the second part of the keynes model).

No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.

...you mean step two isn't decry Keynesianism as a failure, then proceed to cut taxes for the rich and increase spending?
 
2012-05-06 03:09:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Fox hates France no matter what they do.


not quite. they're so dumb that they actually "liked" france when sarkozy won - for one reason only: because he's a self-proclaimed "conservative."

the fact that he's to the left of obama on just about everything means nothing to them. it's the same reason they think nazis were left-wing - because they have the word "socialist" in their name. (no word on how they feel about the DPRK)
 
2012-05-06 03:09:54 PM  

Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.


They'll do exactly like they did after the fall of Rome. Neo-feudalism.
 
2012-05-06 03:10:00 PM  

TravisBickle62: Still better than Hitler


You mean Le Pen?
 
2012-05-06 03:10:07 PM  
As much as I'm intrigued by Hollande's positioning on economic policy (hooray for somebody who actually read an econ text!), I worry about whether or not he'll be able to successfully navigate foreign policy.

Sarko's proved a master of mitigating German tendencies, and he's been a staunch pro-US ally. He's disgusting wrt French Arabs, but in the grand scheme, he's prevented the Germans from really punishing the PIIGS and he brought France back into NATO. I should only hope Hollande is as facile politically.
 
2012-05-06 03:10:24 PM  
This just in, "hooray for me, f*ck you, GIMMIE" has turned out to be a failed economic model.
 
2012-05-06 03:10:25 PM  

DamnYankees: HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.

His positions are all on his wikipedia page. Nothing insane as far as I can see, though certainly he'd be a far leftist in America.


You mean taxing earnings at 75% over 1 million dollars is not insane to you?

/tomorrow the flight of the wealthy begins from France
 
2012-05-06 03:10:34 PM  

Martonio: Tax Boy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x433]

"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"

Tomorrow's headline "Bruni divorces Sarkozy, realizes he is an ugly little man with no power or influence"


Unless he's packin'.

/If you know what I mean...
 
2012-05-06 03:11:12 PM  
Does Hollande have a smokin' hot wife?
 
2012-05-06 03:11:13 PM  

Tax Boy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x433]

"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"


Divorce papers in quatre...trois...deux...
 
2012-05-06 03:11:14 PM  

Serious Black: No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.


yup.

except we did complete step two in the 50s and 60s, when we taxed the shiat out of everyone. and what happened? america's standard of living rose exponentially.
 
2012-05-06 03:11:15 PM  
From the BBC's article:

"The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year."

OMG! the SOSHALUSM!!

wont someone please think of the poor millionaires and the multinationals?

clearly the bolsheviks have taken power in france, and we'll have Red Terror and Death Panels in hours.
 
2012-05-06 03:11:39 PM  

NaziKamikaze: I think anyone who thinks the France/surrenders hurr durr joke is funny surrendered their sense of humor long ago.


My sense of humor is perfectly functional.

Of course, I also think Jerry Lewis is hilarious.
 
2012-05-06 03:12:42 PM  

Robo Beat: Means nothing until the results of the parliamentary elections are in come June 17th.


Actually, the President of France is pretty damn powerful relative to the parliament. The parliament was more powerful in the third (and fourth, which was pretty much the same as the third) republic, but on more than one occasion they couldn't stop squabbling long enough to actually defend the country. When they were begging De Gaulle to come back to lead the nation through the algiers crisis, he insisted on being allowed to implement a few constitutional reforms as a condition to taking it. Which is why the fifth republic has a ridiculously strong presidency.

And that said, I don't think there's much reason to expect something other than a socialist plurality given how this election turned out.
 
2012-05-06 03:12:44 PM  

Overfiend: You mean taxing earnings at 75% over 1 million dollars is not insane to you?


worked for america in the 50s and 60s.
 
2012-05-06 03:13:12 PM  

LordOfThePings: TravisBickle62: Still better than Hitler

You mean Le Pen?


potato, pomme de terre, tomato, tomate...
 
2012-05-06 03:13:23 PM  

FlashHarry: Serious Black: No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.

yup.

except we did complete step two in the 50s and 60s, when we taxed the shiat out of everyone. and what happened? america's standard of living rose exponentially.


ill never understand why americans are so scared of taxes
no wonder their infrastructure is shiat
 
2012-05-06 03:13:27 PM  

Father_Jack: From the BBC's article:

"The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year."

OMG! the SOSHALUSM!!

wont someone please think of the poor millionaires and the multinationals?

clearly the bolsheviks have taken power in france, and we'll have Red Terror and Death Panels in hours.


I've though long and hard about the poor millionaires and multinationals. So far, none of it can be printed here.
 
2012-05-06 03:13:53 PM  
Hollande will have to face reality just like Sarkozy did. And embrace the loving hug of Mother Merkel.
 
2012-05-06 03:13:55 PM  

kxs401: Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.


Any American who believes we now have a socialist nation is not someone who should even be given the time of day. These are the same kinds of people who say we have a neegra muslin' for president who wants to take your gun away, and on the opposite side, people who believe jet trails in the sky are means to spy on us.

I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country. Unfortunately, misinformation (24 hour "news" entertainment) has deeply corrupted our collective intelligence. It's farking sad.

I'll believe we are socialist once I stop seeing hundreds of our citizens dying in doorways, on park benches, and in city parks year after year. And when I don't have to not go to my doctor when layoffs happen and I can't afford COBRA.
 
2012-05-06 03:15:17 PM  
So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.
 
2012-05-06 03:15:56 PM  
Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

Thank Allah for socialism.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:07 PM  

Mentat: Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.

They'll do exactly like they did after the fall of Rome. Neo-feudalism.


well...that's what the new rulers will do. the old rulers will die badly and leave their heads to rot on pikes outside the burned out shell of wall street buildings.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:37 PM  

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


Mange merde un morte.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:41 PM  

ontariolightning: ill never understand why americans are so scared of taxes
no wonder their infrastructure is shiat


a major part of the problem is we don't see any of the benefits of taxes (or very few, anyway). i've lived in sweden, finland, france and switzerland. there, you see great roads, nice schools, cheap education, free healthcare, etc. etc. so, yes, you pay high taxes, but you get something for it.

here we see elective wars and bridges to nowhere.

it's been 80 years since the new deal and 60 since eisenhower built the interstates. people have forgotten that government can do good.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:51 PM  

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


Yeah, but New FeudalismTM has been working just awesome for this nation, right?
 
2012-05-06 03:17:02 PM  

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


it could have been worse. Le Pen is to the left of the Socialists on economic policies.
 
2012-05-06 03:17:27 PM  

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


France reacts to the failure of austerity measures to improve the economy by... electing a socialist.
 
2012-05-06 03:17:43 PM  

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


this has been covered. do try to keep up.
 
2012-05-06 03:17:44 PM  

Hollie Maea: dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?

My understanding is that Marine Le Pen gave the finger to Sarkozy and said she would cast a blank ballot.


My opinion of Sarkozy just jumped.
 
2012-05-06 03:18:00 PM  

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.


To be fair, their "socialists" tend to be technocratic graduates of elite French educational institutions.

El Brujo: I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country


Typo or awesome play on words?

I'm appropriating this for the forces of literacy.
 
2012-05-06 03:19:39 PM  

kevinatilusa: Hollie Maea: dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?

My understanding is that Marine Le Pen gave the finger to Sarkozy and said she would cast a blank ballot.

My opinion of Sarkozy just jumped.


I've long had a soft spot for the guy. Granted, mine was more for him being one of the most powerful people in the world, married to a supermodel, and still being incredibly self conscious of his height, which I got a laugh at, but still.
 
2012-05-06 03:20:21 PM  

Weaver95: Mentat: Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.

They'll do exactly like they did after the fall of Rome. Neo-feudalism.

well...that's what the new rulers will do. the old rulers will die badly and leave their heads to rot on pikes outside the burned out shell of wall street buildings.


Nah. After Rome fell, it was the wealthy landowners who set up the first fiefdoms. I guess I'll have to choose between the Holy Republic of Kochistan or the Boone Pickens Memorial Autocracy.
 
2012-05-06 03:20:33 PM  

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


well...the right wing bankers DID cause the problem in the first place. might as well try something else, right?

or did you seriously mean to suggest that the world needs to keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again, while hoping that THIS time things will be different?
 
2012-05-06 03:22:17 PM  

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


It's all debt. Money, property, federal budgets, revenues, the ground you're standing on. Somebody owns it and has whored it out to a bank and the bank turned it into a lot of gymnastic stock issues and billed you for it. It's. All. Debt.

The about to be shaken etch a sketch, let me show it to yas.

We're all sitting on our asses fighting over which outstanding failed, brief glitch in how money and governance works will obviously prevail, when it's as plain as the balls on a tall dog that pretty much every socioeconomic ideology in use for the last 3000 years manged to crawl up it's own ass before copping a major lean and sinking into the swamp.

Don't worry, we never learn from this, so we're completely immune.
 
2012-05-06 03:22:27 PM  
A monument of some damn French woman surrendering. Fark them those socialist basturds.


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2012-05-06 03:22:34 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

To be fair, their "socialists" tend to be technocratic graduates of elite French educational institutions.



such as my school. :)
 
2012-05-06 03:22:46 PM  

Weaver95: or did you seriously mean to suggest that the world needs to keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again, while hoping that THIS time things will be different?


i believe this is the entire republican platform in a nutshell.
 
2012-05-06 03:23:11 PM  

Mentat: Nah. After Rome fell, it was the wealthy landowners who set up the first fiefdoms. .


the ones who survived the invasions, waves of diseases and riots (plus harsh winters and starvation) then sure....

but our robber barons pf tpdau aren't exactly prepared to survive in that sort of world. they usually run away from their problems and hire lawyers to deal with the fallout. when the world economy implodes this time around, the lawyers and their clients are gonna have some harsh new realities to face....
 
2012-05-06 03:23:31 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

The part that seems to have you confused is that it was socialist policies that caused their problems in the first place. It's not like the austerity measures were in place for the past 30 years while debt piled up.


Yeah, right. 30 years of Reagan/Thatcher type policies were "socialist". Sure.
 
2012-05-06 03:24:08 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

To be fair, their "socialists" tend to be technocratic graduates of elite French educational institutions.

El Brujo: I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country

Typo or awesome play on words?

I'm appropriating this for the forces of literacy.


Unintended pun about the French. You know what I mean...talking about palin-americans.
Good on ya though for pointing that out! I must need another cup of coffee, because I'm not a French hater and don't understand why any American in their right mind would be. Totally misguided and undeserved.
 
2012-05-06 03:24:37 PM  

MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

Thank Allah for socialism.


Wow. There is so much ignorance in that statement, I don't know where to start.

/why bother?
 
2012-05-06 03:24:43 PM  

Weaver95: Mentat: Nah. After Rome fell, it was the wealthy landowners who set up the first fiefdoms. .

the ones who survived the invasions, waves of diseases and riots (plus harsh winters and starvation) then sure....

but our robber barons pf tpdau of today aren't exactly prepared to survive in that sort of world. they usually run away from their problems and hire lawyers to deal with the fallout. when the world economy implodes this time around, the lawyers and their clients are gonna have some harsh new realities to face....


seriously. WTF was that!? i'm either too sober or too drunk.
 
2012-05-06 03:24:57 PM  
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/Meh, they're all neoliberals anyway.
 
2012-05-06 03:25:09 PM  

Weaver95: Mentat: Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.

They'll do exactly like they did after the fall of Rome. Neo-feudalism.

well...that's what the new rulers will do. the old rulers will die badly and leave their heads to rot on pikes outside the burned out shell of wall street buildings.


Salut, mes amis!

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Ce qui se passe?
 
2012-05-06 03:25:36 PM  
Ppl stop acting like americans dont know what a socialist is or that Obama isnt. If it wasnt for the checks and balances of the US govt the US would be in a complete socialist state right now. You know if Obama could literally do whatever he wanted w/o approval of others. That being said idgaf bc now that we know the republican candidate, we are completely farked.
/not even voting
//americans are dumb & ignorant for not getting Ron Paul in
 
2012-05-06 03:25:59 PM  
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Bon. Bon.
 
2012-05-06 03:26:15 PM  

Weaver95: fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.

well...the right wing bankers DID cause the problem in the first place. might as well try something else, right?

or did you seriously mean to suggest that the world needs to keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again, while hoping that THIS time things will be different?


Of course things will be different! We just weren't sufficiently on board with the corporate socialism. Going whole-hog will fix everything.
 
2012-05-06 03:26:47 PM  

montex: MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.


the weird thing is, if you take out the moronic sarcasm, he's right.
 
2012-05-06 03:28:41 PM  

ontariolightning: Serious Black: Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?

Nuclear war by the end of 2014. You heard it here first, folks.

only in your dreams


Idk as we learned yesterday, Iran's missles are being controlled by jar jar binks and the dark side, as clearly shown in their picture
 
2012-05-06 03:28:51 PM  

El Brujo: Unintended pun about the French. You know what I mean...talking about palin-americans.
Good on ya though for pointing that out! I must need another cup of coffee, because I'm not a French hater and don't understand why any American in their right mind would be. Totally misguided and undeserved.



Because Freedom fries.

(I can't believe that actually happened.)
 
2012-05-06 03:29:09 PM  
Call me when the western world pulls it's head out of it's ass, waves it's arms, and shouts "DO OVER!". Until then the dog and pony show is just trying to convince people that we're supposed to be in this hand basket.
 
2012-05-06 03:31:56 PM  
Here's a question. Why would electing a socialist be a bad thing? I'm not for the idea or against it, simply because the knowledge that I have of the current state of France is borderline ignorant. Sure they're pretty much #2 in the Euro Zone and have a lot of say with the power of the purse, but my knowledge of the situation is equal to that of knowing how to do chemistry (knowing more than some, but not enough to grasp it and make it easy).

This may be what Europe needs or not need.

Why yes, I am in America. That is beside the point if you think you are going to come up with some witty remark about how Americans are ignorant, you can stop. Enlighten me on the situation rather than make a mockery of what I don't know, simply because I'm asking a simple question.
 
2012-05-06 03:32:09 PM  
So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?
 
2012-05-06 03:32:51 PM  
Maybe the French voters were tired of paying for Carla Bruni's terrible plastic surgery and Botox.

I mean really. How does this:
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Turn into this:
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2012-05-06 03:34:12 PM  
Urinal Cake Mix: Turn into this:

Dear Women,

No.
 
2012-05-06 03:34:47 PM  

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: //americans are dumb & ignorant for not getting Ron Paul in


He couldn't even get the GOP nomination; I'd start there with the "sheeple" histrionics.
 
2012-05-06 03:34:54 PM  

FlashHarry: montex: MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

the weird thing is, if you take out the moronic sarcasm, he's right.


Is there no amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? It's all around you.

You are just "Socialism - Full speed ahead!" no matter what, right?
 
2012-05-06 03:36:07 PM  

xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?


Our P.O.S. welfare state, to start.
 
2012-05-06 03:36:17 PM  

ultraholland: Urinal Cake Mix: Turn into this:

Dear Women,

No. Take the ride, get off when it stops. Dignity is a lot more beautiful than silicone.


FIFM
 
2012-05-06 03:37:32 PM  

Weaver95: quatchi: So... austerity programs not particularly popular?

Heh, who'da thunk?

austerity programs usually translate as 'f*ck the poor/protect the rich'. i'm sure that sort of plan is wildly popular with around 1% of the population.


It's funny how the GOP are basically preaching austerity but the A word has never been attached to their rhetoric.

Actually it only seems that way until you consider the corporate nature of America's highly concentrated media.

Mrtraveler01: quatchi: So... austerity programs not particularly popular?

Heh, who'da thunk?

If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

Early results in Greece's parliamentary election suggest the two main parties have suffered dramatic losses.

With 11% of the vote counted, centre-right New Democracy is in the lead with 22%, down from 33.5% in 2009.

Centre-left Pasok is in second place with 16%, down from 43.9% in the last elections. Syriza, a left-wing coalition, is in third place with 15%.

Pasok and New Democracy, in coalition since last November, were expected to lose support to anti-austerity parties


Greece is totally farkied but it's only 3% of the Eurozone.

A lot of people are predicting Greece being ousted.

While Greece's economy is definitely in need of some radical reform the measures instituted by the IMF and the rest of the Eurozone are more than a little bit onerous and draconian.

Francois Hollande has considerably more leverage, more options and more time to act before facing an inevitable backlash when anti-austerity sentiment meets post campaign reality.

Interesting times.
 
2012-05-06 03:38:03 PM  

enforcerpsu: When do they surrender to Spain?


So that's why they waited until after 2 May.
 
2012-05-06 03:38:04 PM  

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: Ppl stop acting like americans dont know what a socialist is or that Obama isnt. If it wasnt for the checks and balances of the US govt the US would be in a complete socialist state right now. You know if Obama could literally do whatever he wanted w/o approval of others. That being said idgaf bc now that we know the republican candidate, we are completely farked.
/not even voting
//americans are dumb & ignorant for not getting Ron Paul in


Account created: 2012-01-14 20:37:18
 
2012-05-06 03:38:57 PM  

xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?


People with brains realize every industrial nation has a mixed economy. Socialism and capitalism don't exist in any pure form.
 
2012-05-06 03:39:15 PM  
Allons-y!
 
2012-05-06 03:39:16 PM  

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky: xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?

Our P.O.S. welfare state, to start.


He already mentioned the military.
 
2012-05-06 03:39:27 PM  

MeinRS6: FlashHarry: montex: MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

the weird thing is, if you take out the moronic sarcasm, he's right.

Is there no amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? It's all around you.

You are just "Socialism - Full speed ahead!" no matter what, right?


Money tends to create more money when it's transacted. That's the point - someone's gaining. Right now, huge amounts of money are tied up with very few people/entities/processes. If an amount of that were freed up and allowed to be transacted broadly across the economy, much more gain would be gotten from it.

That's the idea. It's not moving under the current status quo. That could be corrected.

(I know, I know, free market, not socialism, gobbeldygook)
 
2012-05-06 03:40:06 PM  

Overfiend: DamnYankees: HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.

His positions are all on his wikipedia page. Nothing insane as far as I can see, though certainly he'd be a far leftist in America.

You mean taxing earnings at 75% over 1 million dollars is not insane to you?

/tomorrow the flight of the wealthy begins from France


1 million euros. With differences in level of living + currency rate, that's equivalent to $3M. Very few people will be impacted.
 
2012-05-06 03:40:25 PM  

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky: xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?

Our P.O.S. welfare state, to start.


I am struggling to see how that is a counter-point to what he said.
 
2012-05-06 03:40:56 PM  
We won't elect Ron Paul because we don't want honest or smart people in positions of power. We want attractive people who are glib and have nice teeth and we fantasize about them having a beer with us. You know, failed actors and blowhards.
 
2012-05-06 03:41:13 PM  
Mentat: Account created: 2012-01-14 20:37:18

Gee, I wonder why RON PAUL has such a strong online presence.
 
2012-05-06 03:42:18 PM  

gameshowhost: Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky: xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?

Our P.O.S. welfare state, to start.

He already mentioned the military.


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2012-05-06 03:42:20 PM  
I can only think of the words of Le Nouvel Observateur when Mitterand was elected in 1981, "Quel fête! Quel délivrance!"
 
2012-05-06 03:42:41 PM  

Mrtraveler01: DamnYankees: Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

Doe this even matter? No offense to the Greeks, but it seems like their fate is sort of out of their control.

No, they've dug too deep. They're pretty much only delaying the inevitable at this point.


Great, just farking great. Balrogs. I hate these guys.
 
2012-05-06 03:42:56 PM  

Sabyen91: xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?

People with brains realize every industrial nation has a mixed economy. Socialism and capitalism don't exist in any pure form.


Capitalism does -- it was shown on Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom every Sunday night.
 
2012-05-06 03:43:06 PM  

Malivon: Here's a question. Why would electing a socialist be a bad thing?


In this one case it may not be. France trying to pump-prime it's way out of debt by borrowing yet more may be the straw the break's the Euro's back. Just maybe the EU will halt it's slide towards a socialist superstate and go back to being a free trade area.
 
2012-05-06 03:45:18 PM  

Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?


To be fair, hasn't it been France vs. Germany for the future of Europe with Russia, Britain, and the US acting as spoilers since 1870 or so?

/Except Cold War which was US vs. Russia, but France was certainly trying to be involved to a certain extent, and Germany was split, occupied, and recovering from WWII.
 
2012-05-06 03:45:52 PM  

gameshowhost: Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky: xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?

Our P.O.S. welfare state, to start.

He already mentioned the military.


Fun fact: the combined budget of the three main U.S. Socialist programs (DoD + SS + Medicare) exceeds the GDP of France.
 
2012-05-06 03:46:35 PM  

bunner: We won't elect Ron Paul because we don't want honest or smart people in positions of power.


I see your point but I don't see what Ron Paul has to do with any of that.
 
2012-05-06 03:48:33 PM  

Captain Couscous: gameshowhost: Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky: xebeche_tzu: So maybe someone can explain this to me. What exactly is it that makes The United States NOT a socialist country already? The government runs EVERYTHING. Five military branches, the roads, the schools, the postal system, and the following seven hundred gigantic agencies: FDA, ATF, etc

How could the US become any more socialist? Government bacon?

Our P.O.S. welfare state, to start.

He already mentioned the military.

Fun fact: the combined budget of the three main U.S. Socialist programs (DoD + SS + Medicare) exceeds the GDP of France.


Considering the US GDP is about 6 times France's I am not sure what that says.
 
2012-05-06 03:48:42 PM  

jagabaya: Good.

Sarcozy is a tool.


THIS

Sarkozy is an asshole, and has all kinds of court dates and trials awaiting his corrupt ass. For some reason the French president is immune from investigations while in office. Now, I hope they hang his ass out to dry in the next few months.
 
2012-05-06 03:49:01 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I see your point but I don't see what Ron Paul has to do with any of that.


Who's a clever boy?
 
2012-05-06 03:50:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: jagabaya: Good.

Sarcozy is a tool.

I did respect the man's taste when it came to women's posteriors.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 411x310]


Still one of my favorite pictures between Obama looking, and Sarcozy's expression.
 
2012-05-06 03:50:29 PM  
Elle ne veut pas travailler, elle ne veut pas dejeuner, elle veut seulement sociolizer, et puis elle fume.
 
2012-05-06 03:51:40 PM  

LordBollocks: Malivon: Here's a question. Why would electing a socialist be a bad thing?

In this one case it may not be. France trying to pump-prime it's way out of debt by borrowing yet more may be the straw the break's the Euro's back. Just maybe the EU will halt it's slide towards a socialist superstate and go back to being a free trade area.


and how would life under another Sarkozy presidency be any different?

newsflash: there is very little difference between political parties in France when it comes to economic policies.

I guess Fark Independents have collective amnesia. A couple of years ago Eurostar decided to not order trains from a French company, buying them from Siemens instead. Sarkozy's government tried to sue Eurostar to force it to buy French trains, despite there not being ANY contractural obligations to for Eurostar to do so.
 
2012-05-06 03:52:20 PM  

Akpr8: A monument of some damn French woman surrendering. Fark them those socialist basturds.


[mw2.google.com image 500x375]


Oh my god, the Statue of Liberty should be banned!
 
2012-05-06 03:53:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: bunner: We won't elect Ron Paul because we don't want honest or smart people in positions of power.

I see your point but I don't see what Ron Paul has to do with any of that.


Oh, and to address your inference with a bit of honesty, he's the only dog in the pack who isn't coasting on sketchy laurels or a complete tool shed. I didn't call these people, they're just the ones who showed up and filled out the forms.
 
2012-05-06 03:53:23 PM  

montex: MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

Thank Allah for socialism.

Wow. There is so much ignorance in that statement, I don't know where to start.

/why bother?


MeinRS6 is a notorious goosestepper here on Fark. His comments make Skinnyhead's seem rational.
 
2012-05-06 03:58:11 PM  

bunner: Oh, and to address your inference with a bit of honesty, he's the only dog in the pack who isn't coasting on sketchy laurels or a complete tool shed.


No, he's a complete toolshed who lacks the grasp of even the most basic of economics.

This is a guy who complains about the Federal Government getting too involved but doesn't mind it when pork or any subsidy comes to his district.

But I will give him credit for fooling his supporters into thinking he's actually a "libertarian".
 
2012-05-06 03:58:49 PM  

Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.


you are hoping we go down? because if the EU does so do we. this is about Caterpillar Europe has performed well for Caterpillar, too, and, even though it sees a mild recession in Europe - which it doesn't expect to spill over to other parts of the world - it expects capital spending in the area to increase, and sales of machines into Europe to be about the same as in 2011.

their sales in south east asia and china won't save them if the EU collapses.
 
2012-05-06 03:58:55 PM  

Mrtraveler01: FlashHarry: well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed.

It obviously failed because it wasn't conservative ENOUGH.

/standard conservative excuse for their failures


/projector.jpg
 
2012-05-06 03:59:44 PM  

bunner: Mrtraveler01: bunner: We won't elect Ron Paul because we don't want honest or smart people in positions of power.

I see your point but I don't see what Ron Paul has to do with any of that.

Oh, and to address your inference with a bit of honesty, he's the only dog in the pack who isn't coasting on sketchy laurels or a complete tool shed. I didn't call these people, they're just the ones who showed up and filled out the forms.


Huh. I've never seen you say something stupid before. First for everything I guess.
 
2012-05-06 03:59:53 PM  
During the previous French election 2 weeks ago the Euro fell amid speculation of Sarkozy's defeat. Since he has been defeated today, and since the Euro has already been falling across the board with all the other majors during the last few weeks, the market will probably have some really nice setups for multiple pairs to go short.
 
2012-05-06 03:59:57 PM  
Hey look, it's a group of people pretending to know what French political parties and politicians are about.

I can only imagine you sound as stupid to the French as when foreigners talk about American politics and what's best for us.

(I don't know shiat about French politics either, mais j'apprends le francais. Yes, I know a c cedille is on there, but I'm too lazy to look up the alt-code for it.
 
2012-05-06 04:01:17 PM  

TV's Vinnie: montex: MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

Thank Allah for socialism.

Wow. There is so much ignorance in that statement, I don't know where to start.

/why bother?

MeinRS6 is a notorious goosestepper here on Fark.


In what way am I a goosestepper, moron? None of my opinions are in line with national socialism.

You Farklibs are the only goosesteppers around here.
 
2012-05-06 04:01:27 PM  

MeinRS6: Is there no amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? It's all around you


Okay. Name some of it. Seeing as how it's "all around you"

Is it the fact that Germany has a socialist healthcare system and is one of the strongest economies in the world?

Could it be the fact that the Scandinavians have some of the highest standards of living in the world?
 
Heb
2012-05-06 04:02:18 PM  

dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?


The far-right vote often splits down traditional left/right views. In England we have the far-right British National Party, but it is disaffected working-class Labour (left-wing) voters that they pick up when they are doing well, not disaffected Conservatives. Disaffected conservatives go the UK Independence Party.

France just has all one party for its jingoistic racist loons, so when that vote splits it goes both ways. Working class types who think what is best for them will be a socialist in power will have voted for Hollande, and those racists for whom low taxes/protecting their own personal wealth was top of the agenda will have voted for Sarkozy.

/all of the above may be bullshiat, but hey, I tried.
 
2012-05-06 04:02:34 PM  

Mrtraveler01: But I will give him credit for fooling his supporters into thinking he's actually a "libertarian


Also "smart"
 
2012-05-06 04:02:46 PM  

Mrtraveler01: But I will give him credit for fooling his supporters into thinking he's actually a "libertarian".


No he isn't. Nor does he portend to be. I like to think of him as the man who may be the progenitor of the "cut the f*cking horesh*t" party. We need one. There's a lot of ostensibly etched in stone bad ideas extant in the economic an political landscape and nobody else mentions this. That's hardly a lack of any grasp of economic principles, that's a very lucid grasp of the fact that if you're gong over a cliff, you don't argue about who didn't empty the ashtrays.
 
2012-05-06 04:03:07 PM  

Mentat: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: Ppl stop acting like americans dont know what a socialist is or that Obama isnt. If it wasnt for the checks and balances of the US govt the US would be in a complete socialist state right now. You know if Obama could literally do whatever he wanted w/o approval of others. That being said idgaf bc now that we know the republican candidate, we are completely farked.
/not even voting
//americans are dumb & ignorant for not getting Ron Paul in

Account created: 2012-01-14 20:37:18


Really got me with the account created argument there. U proved that i didnt know fark existed until a short time ago.
/ not sure how that relates to my argument at all
// all im saying ron paul believes in the rights of the american ppl and protecting those rights. Over the last 20yrs our govt over and over violates our rights
 
2012-05-06 04:03:11 PM  

topcon: Hey look, it's a group of people pretending to know what French political parties and politicians are about.

I can only imagine you sound as stupid to the French as when foreigners talk about American politics and what's best for us.

(I don't know shiat about French politics either, mais j'apprends le francais. Yes, I know a c cedille is on there, but I'm too lazy to look up the alt-code for it.


Hey man, I'm just here to see if I have to start calling my French Fries "Freedom Fries" again or not
 
2012-05-06 04:03:30 PM  

topcon: Yes, I know a c cedille is on there, but I'm too lazy to look up the alt-code for it.


Here, have mine: ç
I'm having smuggled out of the country before the commies take it.

/ save "à" "é", "è" and "ê" too if you can
 
2012-05-06 04:05:27 PM  

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: // all im saying ron paul believes in the rights of the american ppl and protecting those rights.


except when it comes to women and their bodies
 
2012-05-06 04:05:31 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: Huh. I've never seen you say something stupid I disagreed with enough to be insulting about before. First for everything I guess.


And a whole lot of repeats if you read these posts enough. Snotty will never equal intellectual acuity. I'm over it. You should be, too.
 
2012-05-06 04:05:48 PM  

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: // all im saying ron paul believes in the rights of the american ppl states and protecting those rights unless those states say otherwise.


FTFY

/Now THAT'S Honesty!
 
2012-05-06 04:06:47 PM  

bunner: Mrtraveler01: But I will give him credit for fooling his supporters into thinking he's actually a "libertarian".

No he isn't. Nor does he portend to be. I like to think of him as the man who may be the progenitor of the "cut the f*cking horesh*t" party. We need one. There's a lot of ostensibly etched in stone bad ideas extant in the economic an political landscape and nobody else mentions this. That's hardly a lack of any grasp of economic principles, that's a very lucid grasp of the fact that if you're gong over a cliff, you don't argue about who didn't empty the ashtrays.


So we should be supportive of Ron Paul's horribly bad ideas because they're different?
 
2012-05-06 04:07:04 PM  

MeinRS6: In what way am I a goosestepper, moron? None of my opinions are in line with national socialism


You don't know what National Socialism was, do you.
 
2012-05-06 04:07:31 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: topcon: Hey look, it's a group of people pretending to know what French political parties and politicians are about.

I can only imagine you sound as stupid to the French as when foreigners talk about American politics and what's best for us.

(I don't know shiat about French politics either, mais j'apprends le francais. Yes, I know a c cedille is on there, but I'm too lazy to look up the alt-code for it.

Hey man, I'm just here to see if I have to start calling my French Fries "Freedom Fries" again or not


that doesn't bother French people that much. if anything, it prompts them to laugh at Americans even harder. (fries are from Belgium anyway)

what really hurts them? seeing their wines dumped on the street.
 
2012-05-06 04:07:59 PM  

dumbobruni: and how would life under another Sarkozy presidency be any different?


Sarkozy wanted to stick with the German austerity plan. Hollande wants to tell Merkel where to shove the austerity plan and attempt to "grow" out of trouble by borrowing even more and spending it on an enlarged public sector. Seems like a pretty big difference to me.

Assuming France manages to borrow the money then in a little while they will be in the same condition as Greece and Spain and there will be no more ECB/IMF money left for bailouts
 
Heb
2012-05-06 04:08:22 PM  

MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

Thank Allah for socialism.

I appreciate that others have pointed out quite how stupid you have made yourself look with this comment, but out of curiosity have their been (or indeed are there) any socialist Islamic countries?
 
2012-05-06 04:08:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: bunner: We won't elect Ron Paul because we don't want honest or smart people in positions of power.

I see your point but I don't see what Ron Paul has to do with any of that.


Hes been telling us for 30yrs that the federal reserve was gonna fark us and that the constitution doesnt give a private company the right to print money.
/ no one listened
// now the whole US economy is farked
 
2012-05-06 04:08:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: MeinRS6: Is there no amount of evidence that could convince you otherwise? It's all around you

Okay. Name some of it. Seeing as how it's "all around you"

Is it the fact that Germany has a socialist healthcare system and is one of the strongest economies in the world?

Could it be the fact that the Scandinavians have some of the highest standards of living in the world?


TBH, up here in Maine, it aint exactly a shiathole. This state is one of the safest states in the US. Violent crime is not a big issue up here.

Why is this? We are not a liberal state. We are a moderate state that does lean to the left, but no where close to anywhere near Mass. liberalism. Our standard of living for our homeless is higher than some children who live in Philadelphia.

Could it be cultural? I dont know. Could it be that we have more money? Well, no, in fact we receive more federal funds than we pay in. So why are we like this? Are we more armed up here? Well, we are above average, but that wont account fully for the lack of serious crime. What makes my state so special?
 
2012-05-06 04:08:43 PM  

Pincy: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: // all im saying ron paul believes in the rights of the american ppl and protecting those rights.

except when it comes to women and their bodies


Naw if you want to join a psychotic death cult fixating on the right to infanticide go ahead.
 
2012-05-06 04:08:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So we should be supportive of Ron Paul's horribly bad ideas because they're different?


Do you know what that particular debate device is called? Look it up. It's widely held to be terribly sophomoric and disingenuous. And you probably know why.
 
2012-05-06 04:08:54 PM  

bunner: That's hardly a lack of any grasp of economic principles, that's a very lucid grasp of the fact that if you're gong over a cliff


Just because you recognize the obvious doesn't mean you're smart. It means you're just barely above retarded.

If Person 1 recognizes that there's a fire in the kitchen, and puts it out, he's smart

If Person 1 recognizes that there's a fire in the kitchen, and recommends going out to eat, he's not.

It's that simple
 
2012-05-06 04:09:17 PM  
Does this mean that France will be losing their single payer health care system?
 
2012-05-06 04:10:21 PM  

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: Hes been telling us for 30yrs that the federal reserve was gonna fark us and that the constitution doesnt give a private company the right to print money


That's great. Show me where the Fed is privately-owned.

/hint
//it's not
 
2012-05-06 04:11:14 PM  

Herschel Pinkus Yerucham Shmoikel Krustofsky: El Brujo: Unintended pun about the French. You know what I mean...talking about palin-americans.
Good on ya though for pointing that out! I must need another cup of coffee, because I'm not a French hater and don't understand why any American in their right mind would be. Totally misguided and undeserved.


Because Freedom fries.

(I can't believe that actually happened.)


That was...unbelievable. And those are our elected officials. Have you seen Idiocracy? It's in full-farking-swing and it makes me sad. That movie is prophetic.
 
2012-05-06 04:11:15 PM  

LordBollocks: Sarkozy wanted to stick with the German austerity plan. Hollande wants to tell Merkel where to shove the austerity plan and attempt to "grow" out of trouble by borrowing even more and spending it on an enlarged public sector. Seems like a pretty big difference to me.


So in other words, the EU will be in an even bigger deadlock than before.

Goody...
 
2012-05-06 04:11:44 PM  
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RIP
French
 
2012-05-06 04:11:50 PM  

bunner: Mrtraveler01: So we should be supportive of Ron Paul's horribly bad ideas because they're different?

Do you know what that particular debate device is called? Look it up. It's widely held to be terribly sophomoric and disingenuous. And you probably know why.


So you have no defense for Ron Paul's bad ideas?
 
2012-05-06 04:11:57 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Just because you recognize the obvious doesn't mean you're smart. It means you're just barely above retarded.

If Person 1 recognizes that there's a fire in the kitchen, and puts it out, he's smart

If Person 1 recognizes that there's a fire in the kitchen, and recommends going out to eat, he's not.

It's that simple


That has to be the most inapplicable analogy I've ever read. Seriously. I mean, I don't give a rat's fanny who yo vote for or don', but... no. Sorry, no.
 
2012-05-06 04:12:34 PM  

Cheese eating surrender monkey: topcon: Yes, I know a c cedille is on there, but I'm too lazy to look up the alt-code for it.

Here, have mine: ç
I'm having smuggled out of the country before the commies take it.

/ save "à" "é", "è" and "ê" too if you can


I've got to learn how to type those fluidly and without thought at some point.
 
2012-05-06 04:13:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So you have no defense for Ron Paul's bad ideas?


Same device, plus a rally clapped out posture of authority pose. : ) whoever you're trying to rally to your "team", here, focus on them. Not me.
 
Heb
2012-05-06 04:14:13 PM  

Delay: Does this mean that France will be losing their single payer health care system?


No country with a single payer health care system would willingly give it up, whether ruled by a liberal or conservative government. You'd have to be mad.
 
2012-05-06 04:15:03 PM  

Heb: I appreciate that others have pointed out quite how stupid you have made yourself look with this comment


Yeah. I feel really bad about posting sarcasm on Fark. The horror.

but out of curiosity have their been (or indeed are there) any socialist Islamic countries?

Does google not work at your house?
 
2012-05-06 04:15:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: Hes been telling us for 30yrs that the federal reserve was gonna fark us and that the constitution doesnt give a private company the right to print money

That's great. Show me where the Fed is privately-owned.

/hint
//it's not


It definently is, not ran by our govt. 8 th grade education dude? I learned that shiat in HS AND THEY MAKE A PROFIT BASICALLY SELLING MONEY TO BANKS
/ and they over printed it to keep making those profits, and thats what causes a little thing called INFLATION, which then put us in a RECESSION
/hope those words arent to big for u, u may have to look them up in a dictionary
 
2012-05-06 04:16:59 PM  

bunner: That has to be the most inapplicable analogy I've ever read. Seriously. I mean, I don't give a rat's fanny who yo vote for or don', but... no. Sorry, no


Why not? Please tell me how Ron Paul's ideas are the former and not the latter.
 
2012-05-06 04:17:20 PM  
Hollande invades France.
 
2012-05-06 04:18:13 PM  

LordBollocks: dumbobruni: and how would life under another Sarkozy presidency be any different?

Sarkozy wanted to stick with the German austerity plan. Hollande wants to tell Merkel where to shove the austerity plan and attempt to "grow" out of trouble by borrowing even more and spending it on an enlarged public sector. Seems like a pretty big difference to me.



no, not really.

Despite fears that he will pursue a "dangerous" economic policy featuring a return to Keynesian tax-and-spend practices, Hollande and his campaign team have told the Germans that this has been ruled out. "We can't do Keynesianism twice in 10 years," Michel Sapin, the former finance minister who wrote Hollande's economic programme, told senior German diplomats, according to a confidential note obtained by the Guardian.

Link
 
2012-05-06 04:18:41 PM  
I wonder how the GOP will react to this news? do you think they'll even notice?
 
2012-05-06 04:20:48 PM  

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: It definently is, not ran by our govt. 8 th grade education dude? I learned that shiat in HS AND THEY MAKE A PROFIT BASICALLY SELLING MONEY TO BANKS


No you didn't.

Are you saying there is no Congressional oversight of the FED?

Because you are incorrect, sir.
 
Heb
2012-05-06 04:21:19 PM  

MeinRS6: Heb: I appreciate that others have pointed out quite how stupid you have made yourself look with this comment

Yeah. I feel really bad about posting sarcasm on Fark. The horror.

but out of curiosity have their been (or indeed are there) any socialist Islamic countries?

Does google not work at your house?


I had always understood that the point of sarcasm was to make fun of something else, rather than to make yourself look like an idiot.

Still, by all means carry on.
 
2012-05-06 04:21:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: bunner: That has to be the most inapplicable analogy I've ever read. Seriously. I mean, I don't give a rat's fanny who yo vote for or don', but... no. Sorry, no

Why not? Please tell me how Ron Paul's ideas are the former and not the latter.


Why? You've already made up your mind that he's a nincompoop and, looking at the sea of sheep twats littering the rest of the political landscape, I'm sort of fine with that.
 
2012-05-06 04:21:55 PM  

bunner: Mrtraveler01: So you have no defense for Ron Paul's bad ideas?

Same device, plus a rally clapped out posture of authority pose. : ) whoever you're trying to rally to your "team", here, focus on them. Not me.


So he's just trolling the American political system?

I can accept that. At least you seem smart enough to realize a lot of his ideas are pretty idiotic.
 
2012-05-06 04:22:17 PM  
drewsclues 2012-05-06 02:39:07 PM
Still less Socialist than Obama, because Obama keeps it a secret.

steamingpile 2012-05-06 02:39:07 PM
Still better than Obama.


Now THAT is a simulpost!
 
2012-05-06 04:22:30 PM  

Krymson Tyde: It's back to freedom fries for this here red-blooded American.


Freedom fries are *sooo* last decade. Behold, tornado fries!
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2012-05-06 04:22:58 PM  

Thorndyke Barnhard: drewsclues 2012-05-06 02:39:07 PM
Still less Socialist than Obama, because Obama keeps it a secret.

steamingpile 2012-05-06 02:39:07 PM
Still better than Obama.


Now THAT is a simulpost!


they're reading from the same script.
 
2012-05-06 04:23:16 PM  

bunner: Why? You've already made up your mind that he's a nincompoop and, looking at the sea of sheep twats littering the rest of the political landscape, I'm sort of fine with that


And this is why RON PAUL supporters are terrible supporters. They can't name a single idea of his that they like. They can only complain that people don't pay attention to him because he's different.

It's too bad, really.

If you knew any of his ideas, you wouldn't support him in the first place.
 
2012-05-06 04:23:32 PM  
I hate it when media outlets declare the winner of an election and state they won with the current vote percentages, because Hollande is winning by seven points currently, not four...

/vote freak
 
2012-05-06 04:23:43 PM  

MadMagnum: Pincy: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: // all im saying ron paul believes in the rights of the american ppl and protecting those rights.

except when it comes to women and their bodies

Naw if you want to join a psychotic death cult fixating on the right to infanticide go ahead.


There are people killing babies?

Why are you wasting valuable time here?

You should call your local police station and inform then right away!

Ron Paul isn't any kind of libertarian, btw, he's a "state's right's" advocate who's overly cozy with racist RW elements, who wants to take away a woman's autonomy, feels uncomfortable with the Civil rights act allowing black folks to eat in public, who would perfectly happy to let the state's become inhumane authoritarian clusterfarks as long as the "right kind of people" are in charge.

His chats about withdrawing the military apparatus that backs up American economic hegemony are useful but beyond that I have little use for him or his nutty kid.
 
2012-05-06 04:24:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So he's just trolling the American political system?

I can accept that. At least you seem smart enough to realize a lot of his ideas are pretty idiotic.


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I think we're done here. I know I am.
 
2012-05-06 04:24:39 PM  
Of course you're not a goosestepper Mein - it's just that farkers are horribly unfair and think you're a morally bankrupt asshole because of your moderate center right approach.
 
2012-05-06 04:25:44 PM  

El Pachuco: Socialism - the wacky idea that everyone should benefit from an improving economy.

No wonder it'll never work.


Especially the ones that had nothing to do with that success.
 
2012-05-06 04:25:52 PM  

quatchi: Ron Paul isn't any kind of libertarian, btw, he's a "state's right's" advocate who's overly cozy with racist RW elements, who wants to take away a woman's autonomy, feels uncomfortable with the Civil rights act allowing black folks to eat in public, who would perfectly happy to let the state's become inhumane authoritarian clusterfarks as long as the "right kind of people" are in charge


Also, he wants to bring back the gold standard, which would destroy the US economy, OR he wants each state to decide its own currency, which would do the same thing.

Who wants to bet that Bunner didn't know any of that?
 
2012-05-06 04:26:30 PM  

El Brujo: kxs401: Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.

Any American who believes we now have a socialist nation is not someone who should even be given the time of day. These are the same kinds of people who say we have a neegra muslin' for president who wants to take your gun away, and on the opposite side, people who believe jet trails in the sky are means to spy on us.

I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country. Unfortunately, misinformation (24 hour "news" entertainment) has deeply corrupted our collective intelligence. It's farking sad.

I'll believe we are socialist once I stop seeing hundreds of our citizens dying in doorways, on park benches, and in city parks year after year. And when I don't have to not go to my doctor when layoffs happen and I can't afford COBRA.


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2012-05-06 04:26:44 PM  

bunner: Mrtraveler01: So he's just trolling the American political system?

I can accept that. At least you seem smart enough to realize a lot of his ideas are pretty idiotic.

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I think we're done here. I know I am.


It's just simply too bad that, when asked to name one of Ron Paul's ideas, or defend them, you leave.
 
2012-05-06 04:27:37 PM  

MeinRS6: TV's Vinnie: montex: MeinRS6: Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

Thank Allah for socialism.

Wow. There is so much ignorance in that statement, I don't know where to start.

/why bother?

MeinRS6 is a notorious goosestepper here on Fark.

In what way am I a goosestepper, moron? None of my opinions are in line with national socialism.

You Farklibs are the only goosesteppers around here.


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2012-05-06 04:29:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: bunner: Mrtraveler01: So he's just trolling the American political system?

I can accept that. At least you seem smart enough to realize a lot of his ideas are pretty idiotic.

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I think we're done here. I know I am.

It's just simply too bad that, when asked to name one of Ron Paul's ideas, or defend them, you leave.


I like his idea to drop the embargo on Cuba.
 
2012-05-06 04:29:13 PM  

Snarfangel: Krymson Tyde: It's back to freedom fries for this here red-blooded American.

Freedom fries are *sooo* last decade. Behold, tornado fries!
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That looks delicious. Moving on, no one really has answered my question up thread in a way that I feel that it answers the question.
 
2012-05-06 04:30:02 PM  
ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR:

It definently is, not ran by our govt. 8 th grade education dude? I learned that shiat in HS AND THEY MAKE A PROFIT BASICALLY SELLING MONEY TO BANKS
/ and they over printed it to keep making those profits, and thats what causes a little thing called INFLATION, which then put us in a RECESSION
/hope those words arent to big for u, u may have to look them up in a dictionary


What the fark did I just read?
 
2012-05-06 04:30:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: quatchi: Ron Paul isn't any kind of libertarian, btw, he's a "state's right's" advocate who's overly cozy with racist RW elements, who wants to take away a woman's autonomy, feels uncomfortable with the Civil rights act allowing black folks to eat in public, who would perfectly happy to let the state's become inhumane authoritarian clusterfarks as long as the "right kind of people" are in charge

Also, he wants to bring back the gold standard, which would destroy the US economy, OR he wants each state to decide its own currency, which would do the same thing.

Who wants to bet that Bunner didn't know any of that?


I'd put a silver dime down on that!

^__^
 
2012-05-06 04:30:54 PM  

bunner: Mrtraveler01: So he's just trolling the American political system?

I can accept that. At least you seem smart enough to realize a lot of his ideas are pretty idiotic.

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I think we're done here. I know I am.


Wait, how is that projecting again?
 
2012-05-06 04:31:18 PM  

SenorPez: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR:

It definently is, not ran by our govt. 8 th grade education dude? I learned that shiat in HS AND THEY MAKE A PROFIT BASICALLY SELLING MONEY TO BANKS
/ and they over printed it to keep making those profits, and thats what causes a little thing called INFLATION, which then put us in a RECESSION
/hope those words arent to big for u, u may have to look them up in a dictionary

What the fark did I just read?


I am leaning toward meta.
 
2012-05-06 04:31:49 PM  

SenorPez: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR:

It definently is, not ran by our govt. 8 th grade education dude? I learned that shiat in HS AND THEY MAKE A PROFIT BASICALLY SELLING MONEY TO BANKS
/ and they over printed it to keep making those profits, and thats what causes a little thing called INFLATION, which then put us in a RECESSION
/hope those words arent to big for u, u may have to look them up in a dictionary

What the fark did I just read?


My guess? A 9th grader's essay.
 
2012-05-06 04:34:15 PM  
Sarkozy may have had his faults and flaws but Hollande is a total retard. His plans are for a 75% top tax rate and basically to ignore already negotiated treaties. But because he is a leftist, 90% of fark is now doubt fapping to the fact that he was elected
 
2012-05-06 04:34:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: And this is why RON PAUL supporters are terrible supporters. They can't name a single idea of his that they like.


Wowee, you sure got ME nailed. Hoo boy!

cameroncrazy1984: If you knew any of his ideas, you wouldn't support him in the first place.


I'll never be able to thank you for resorting to cheap shots like calling me ignorant or an idiot for liking a political candidate you do not. Its precisely the robust sort of debate methods that have made America what it is today. A failing sh*hole full of poor people barking at each others flags while the same monkeys clean out the safe.
 
2012-05-06 04:35:09 PM  
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2012-05-06 04:35:09 PM  

mikemoto: His plans are for a 75% top tax rate


I'm sorry, you're going to have to convince me that a 75% top tax rate is a bad idea. It was 90% here in the 1950s.
 
2012-05-06 04:36:04 PM  

bunner: I'll never be able to thank you for resorting to cheap shots like calling me ignorant or an idiot for liking a political candidate you do not. Its precisely the robust sort of debate methods that have made America what it is today. A failing sh*hole full of poor people barking at each others flags while the same monkeys clean out the safe


You know, it'd be so much easier for you to defend Ron Paul's ideas if you weren't up there on that cross.

Because all you've done so far is complain that we're being unfair for asking you why different with crap ideas is better.
 
2012-05-06 04:38:13 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: It's just simply too bad that, when asked to name one of Ron Paul's ideas, or defend them, you leave.


So, you're trying to attack ME and not Ron Paul? Why should I try and sell you something you turned your nose up at? I don't give a William nor Nilliam polly wolly doo dah f*ck if you vote for a character from the Simpsons and frankly, it would matter about as much if you did. You don't like Ron Paul. I get it. Now then, do I owe you money or something?
 
2012-05-06 04:39:33 PM  
I wonder if this will cause people to research the true definition of socialism and then compare it to how our current president has been portrayed vs. what he actually is doing. Not holding my breath.
 
2012-05-06 04:39:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: mikemoto: His plans are for a 75% top tax rate

I'm sorry, you're going to have to convince me that a 75% top tax rate is a bad idea. It was 90% here in the 1950s.


And, in the 1950's we also had Jim Crow laws and no Medicare. Are you advocating for those things as well?
 
2012-05-06 04:39:37 PM  

Allen. The end.: randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.

Mange merde un morte.


Tsk Tsk, non. C'est impossible; mange merde ET mort, pas 'un'. Ou, peut-être mange merde en flambé, par example.
 
2012-05-06 04:40:40 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Because all you've done so far is complain that we're being unfair for asking you why different with crap ideas is better.


Of course I have, dear. just complain, complain, complain. Mmmhmm.

*The next installment of "Trolling With Cameron" will not be presented because Cameron has lost his sponsor.
 
2012-05-06 04:41:39 PM  

bunner: cameroncrazy1984: It's just simply too bad that, when asked to name one of Ron Paul's ideas, or defend them, you leave.

So, you're trying to attack ME and not Ron Paul? Why should I try and sell you something you turned your nose up at? I don't give a William nor Nilliam polly wolly doo dah f*ck if you vote for a character from the Simpsons and frankly, it would matter about as much if you did. You don't like Ron Paul. I get it. Now then, do I owe you money or something?


I'm just interested to find out why you think "he's different" is a reason for supporting him, and not "his ideas would work," because you've spent this entire thread saying that "the same people" don't work and that Ron Paul isn't "the same people" so somehow that means he's the better choice. Especially considering there are a lot of other politicians who recognize the same problems with the economy and government that Ron Paul appears to, however their ideas aren't as radical as "end the fed" and "use the gold standard."

What makes Ron Paul "different" from other politicians who recognize that the same issues exist, if not his ideas?
 
2012-05-06 04:41:58 PM  

mikemoto: And, in the 1950's we also had Jim Crow laws and no Medicare.


You support Medicare? Typical, "Big Government" loving lib... makes my American stomach sick!
 
2012-05-06 04:42:01 PM  

mainsail: Allen. The end.: randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.

Mange merde un morte.

Tsk Tsk, non. C'est impossible; mange merde ET mort, pas 'un'. Ou, peut-être mange merde en flambé, par example.


I have to go, my grandmother is on fire....

/Je suis le president de Burundi!
 
2012-05-06 04:42:03 PM  

bunner: cameroncrazy1984: It's just simply too bad that, when asked to name one of Ron Paul's ideas, or defend them, you leave.

So, you're trying to attack ME and not Ron Paul? Why should I try and sell you something you turned your nose up at? I don't give a William nor Nilliam polly wolly doo dah f*ck if you vote for a character from the Simpsons and frankly, it would matter about as much if you did. You don't like Ron Paul. I get it. Now then, do I owe you money or something?


lol, you guys are crazy.

/Ron Paul is a senile old coot with a broken ideology and no understanding of economics and his rabid fan base is composed of halfwits and pseudo anarchists
 
2012-05-06 04:42:19 PM  

Vindibudd: El Pachuco: Socialism - the wacky idea that everyone should benefit from an improving economy.

No wonder it'll never work.

Especially the ones that had nothing to do with that success.


And what did you do to deserve to drive on my paved roads?
 
2012-05-06 04:42:50 PM  

mikemoto: cameroncrazy1984: mikemoto: His plans are for a 75% top tax rate

I'm sorry, you're going to have to convince me that a 75% top tax rate is a bad idea. It was 90% here in the 1950s.

And, in the 1950's we also had Jim Crow laws and no Medicare. Are you advocating for those things as well?


Uh, no. We know why Jim Crow and no Medicare are a bad idea. Why is a 75% top tax rate also a bad idea, one that makes you compare it to those other two things?
 
2012-05-06 04:44:38 PM  

bunner: cameroncrazy1984: Because all you've done so far is complain that we're being unfair for asking you why different with crap ideas is better.

Of course I have, dear. just complain, complain, complain. Mmmhmm.

*The next installment of "Trolling With Cameron" will not be presented because Cameron has lost his sponsor.


You certainly haven't given any positive reason for anyone to support Ron Paul.

Oh, and it's "trolling" now to ask questions about why a poster supports a certain candidate? You have a weird definition of trolling.o
 
2012-05-06 04:45:28 PM  

Heb: MeinRS6: Heb: I appreciate that others have pointed out quite how stupid you have made yourself look with this comment

Yeah. I feel really bad about posting sarcasm on Fark. The horror.

but out of curiosity have their been (or indeed are there) any socialist Islamic countries?

Does google not work at your house?

I had always understood that the point of sarcasm was to make fun of something else, rather than to make yourself look like an idiot.


/facepalm

It's not my problem if you don't get the joke.
 
2012-05-06 04:45:47 PM  
The wife's boss has dual citizenship - voted in the French elections and will vote in the US elections this fall.

Don't want to put words in his mouth - generalizing tends to skew the intent - but, at least for him, the big difference between the two was: what to do about the economy, and what to do about the increasingly large number of disaffected and 'un-assimilated' Muslim populace.

Generalized description of his opinion:
Sarkozy - austerity, honoring obligations, ride it out until the economy rights itself. Immigrants: assimilate - public safety trumps religious right to hide your women's face in public.
Hollande - austerity and honoring obligations... up to a point, but requires careful consideration of 'pain' short term vs long term. Immigrants: more government leverage to improve their situation. Give them a voice and let them actively participate in shaping their and France's future.

He's fairly conservative, so he hates Hollande w/ the power of a thousand suns... lol.
 
2012-05-06 04:46:03 PM  
Something can be socialIST without being socialISM. Some people in here don't know the difference between the adjective and the noun. You can describe someone or something as socialist even if it doesn't fit every letter of a long textbook definition. That is why it is possible to warn against socialist policies in America even though we're not as extreme as parts of Old Europe.
 
2012-05-06 04:46:23 PM  
Aside from giving a middle finger to the austerity pushers and beefing up the existing public sector, what is really socialist about this guy?

People with the American definition of "socialism" need not apply.
 
2012-05-06 04:47:17 PM  

ontariolightning: ill never understand why americans are so scared of taxes


Because we don't trust the government to spend it wisely. Other entities may not as well, but we *know* the government will fark it up.

Ref: multiple idiot wars, fraud, shiat we don't need but benefits some senators bro in law, etc, etc
 
Heb
2012-05-06 04:49:11 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: mikemoto: His plans are for a 75% top tax rate

I'm sorry, you're going to have to convince me that a 75% top tax rate is a bad idea. It was 90% here in the 1950s.


The US had a 70% top rate of tax in 1981. 75% isn't unreasonable at all, though I've no idea at what amount he is suggesting the top rate kicks in.
 
2012-05-06 04:49:57 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: That is why it is possible to warn against socialist policies in America even though we're not as extreme as parts of Old Europe


Why would you warn people about socialist policies in America?
 
2012-05-06 04:51:06 PM  

Heb: cameroncrazy1984: mikemoto: His plans are for a 75% top tax rate

I'm sorry, you're going to have to convince me that a 75% top tax rate is a bad idea. It was 90% here in the 1950s.

The US had a 70% top rate of tax in 1981. 75% isn't unreasonable at all, though I've no idea at what amount he is suggesting the top rate kicks in.


1 million Euros.
 
2012-05-06 04:51:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: STRYPERSWINE: That is why it is possible to warn against socialist policies in America even though we're not as extreme as parts of Old Europe

Why would you warn people about socialist policies in America?


Because it is socialism!...oh, wait, it is only socialistic.

/I believe it was some sort of rationalization for something.
 
Heb
2012-05-06 04:51:58 PM  

MeinRS6: Heb: MeinRS6: Heb: I appreciate that others have pointed out quite how stupid you have made yourself look with this comment

Yeah. I feel really bad about posting sarcasm on Fark. The horror.

but out of curiosity have their been (or indeed are there) any socialist Islamic countries?

Does google not work at your house?

I had always understood that the point of sarcasm was to make fun of something else, rather than to make yourself look like an idiot.

/facepalm

It's not my problem if you don't get the joke.


I'm fairly certain you've turned yourself into the joke. Crying that the audience is laughing at you instead of with you isn't helping your cause either.
 
2012-05-06 04:52:25 PM  

dumbobruni: Despite fears that he will pursue a "dangerous" economic policy featuring a return to Keynesian tax-and-spend practices, Hollande and his campaign team have told the Germans that this has been ruled out. "We can't do Keynesianism twice in 10 years," Michel Sapin, the former finance minister who wrote Hollande's economic programme, told senior German diplomats, according to a confidential note obtained by the Guardian.

Link


So he plans on balancing the books through taxation alone while simultaneously discouraging private investment and driving the wealthiest citizens out of the country. That's an even worse plan.
 
2012-05-06 04:54:03 PM  

blueviking: /Je suis le president de Burundi!


aimez-vous prendre du café ?
 
Heb
2012-05-06 04:55:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Heb: cameroncrazy1984: mikemoto: His plans are for a 75% top tax rate

I'm sorry, you're going to have to convince me that a 75% top tax rate is a bad idea. It was 90% here in the 1950s.

The US had a 70% top rate of tax in 1981. 75% isn't unreasonable at all, though I've no idea at what amount he is suggesting the top rate kicks in.

1 million Euros.


Seems pretty reasonable. The US is 81 had the top rate kick in somewhere around the $100k mark.

The Republicans seem to love "how things were" but if they only put taxes back as they were the US would be sorted in next to no time.
 
2012-05-06 04:56:33 PM  

LordBollocks: So he plans on balancing the books through taxation alone while simultaneously discouraging private investment and driving the wealthiest citizens out of the country. That's an even worse plan.


Kowtowing to the uberwealthy doesn't seem to do anyone any good... so why not?
 
2012-05-06 04:57:40 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: LordBollocks: So he plans on balancing the books through taxation alone while simultaneously discouraging private investment and driving the wealthiest citizens out of the country. That's an even worse plan.

Kowtowing to the uberwealthy doesn't seem to do anyone any good... so why not?


I'd rather have a strong middle class than a strong wealthy class.
 
2012-05-06 04:58:06 PM  

T-Servo: How the far-right was the real winner in French elections.

I'm not sure I'd agree, but... I'll miss Carla Bruni.


All I have been reading lately is that the hard right in France were winning, and a socialiste pulls the win.
 
2012-05-06 04:58:25 PM  

Heb: I'm fairly certain you've turned yourself into the joke.


I'm entirely certain that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Do you even know what you are trying to attack me about now? Just STFU. No one cares.