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2012-05-07 02:24:13 AM
Alas, there's no brown color for the background. "Right-wing schitthead" it is. And no, the filter doesn't apply.
 
2012-05-07 02:26:53 AM

neaorin: Rising Ape: LordBollocks: A 75% top level income tax coming in at 1 million Euros will actually raise very little because those people will simply leave the country.

A phenomenon which baffles me. You'd have to really, really love money a lot for it to be worth leaving your homeland because you can only earn half a million or so (net) before you hit the 75% tax rate. What on earth would that extra money get you that would make it worth what you'd give up? Frankly we'd be well rid of that kind of greedy bastard.

Except they aren't really giving up much of anything. Ask Michael Schumacher how much it sucks to live in Switzerland, and to go back to Germany as often as he pleases.
Same thing happened in Greece - everyone with serious money in the bank has "moved" to Cyprus.


Switzerland has a sizable French speaking population as well. Just saying.


Maybe because in Switzerland French is one of the 4 official languages of the country? that being said, while Michael Schumacher doesnt mind losing his citizenship, I think French folks might mind more on the average. They're just as patriotic as Americans are i seem to recall.

But wait! EVEN BETTER! Someone DID ask him about how much it sucks...turns out he likes living in switzerland (and hey I dont blame him) but even of more value is his German citizenship. and I qoute:
""Rubbish! Of course I'm German, I have a German passport, and I look forward to it every time I come to Germany," he said. "

So yeah other countries can be nice to live in, but it turns out...in some ways there is no place like home.
 
2012-05-07 02:31:00 AM

Greywar:

Its yours? so all the things like police, fire, ambulance, military defense, infrastructure.....NONE of that contributed to your success? Public education?

OK you must have inherited a ton...and you made all of that money entirely by yourself with no employees? WOW you sir are amazing!


He's already paid taxes for all the public services he got - a lot more than you did in fact, especially if we're talking Europe.
Likewise, he's already paid his workers before counting his profit (presumably).


Look the society you are in made it all possible, without us as a society you would lose 100% of that, not 75%.


If that's the logic then why stop at 75%? Why not make it 99%?
Or is that for later, when we run out of other people's money again?


Oh and guess what! If you re-invest that money into your company, growing it...you wont pay 75%!


Which is exactly what is going to happen, at least on paper.
 
2012-05-07 03:01:23 AM

Greywar: while Michael Schumacher doesnt mind losing his citizenship, I think French folks might mind more on the average.


Nobody said anything about losing citizenship. Both France and Switzerland (and a host of other countries) allow dual citizenship.
 
2012-05-07 03:14:06 AM

neaorin: Greywar:

Its yours? so all the things like police, fire, ambulance, military defense, infrastructure.....NONE of that contributed to your success? Public education?

OK you must have inherited a ton...and you made all of that money entirely by yourself with no employees? WOW you sir are amazing!

He's already paid taxes for all the public services he got - a lot more than you did in fact, especially if we're talking Europe.
Likewise, he's already paid his workers before counting his profit (presumably).


Look the society you are in made it all possible, without us as a society you would lose 100% of that, not 75%.


If that's the logic then why stop at 75%? Why not make it 99%?
Or is that for later, when we run out of other people's money again?


Oh and guess what! If you re-invest that money into your company, growing it...you wont pay 75%!


Which is exactly what is going to happen, at least on paper.


Interestingly enough given my income, we're talking about my money to a larger degree then the average person. Why not make it 99%? Because at that point we hit diminishing returns on effort vs income. 75% doesn't. That's like saying "hey I washed my cat, why not go all the way and drown him" Which is what you're trying to make it sound like i am saying. Thats sophomoric, and an excellent example of someone quoting a talking point and letting others do their thinking for them. Nice!

And since deficit spending is occurring then my point is...no he has NOT paid all of his taxes for what he has got. Maybe you've missed basic math here. If you spend $100, and get $110 of services to you, your company, and all of its employees and customers....then no. no you have not paid for all the benefits you got.
 
2012-05-07 03:18:22 AM
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Heb
2012-05-07 03:20:12 AM

hurdboy: Mrtraveler01: France isn't that bad off is it?

S&P already downgraded them (shortly after the US downgrade). Whether or not you believe S&P is another matter.....but nobody in Europe is really in great shape. Eighteen months of a spend-your-way-to-prosperity government won't help matters. The US is a pretty good example of that.


Eh? The US is an example of spending promoting growth. Obama has managed to save US industry, shrink the public sector, and grow the private sector. He saved the US (and your credit rating downgrade was due to the Republicans political shenanigans).

Outside the US he is widely thought to have done an incredible job. But I appreciate that in the US this may not be as important as abortion or something.
 
2012-05-07 03:24:09 AM
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2012-05-07 03:26:47 AM

Greywar: Slam1263: The Southern Dandy: Frank N Stein: Rising Ape: A phenomenon which baffles me. You'd have to really, really love money a lot for it to be worth leaving your homeland because you can only earn half a million or so (net) before you hit the 75% tax rate. What on earth would that extra money get you that would make it worth what you'd give up? Frankly we'd be well rid of that kind of greedy bastard.

I think the greedy bastard in this case is the government. They want to take 75 cents of every dollar you earn.

If you make $32million a year, you're not gonna miss it, unless you're a greedy bastard.

If I made that much, it'd be mine. To take it from me because you think you know better what to do with it, makes you a thief. A greedy one at that.

Don't be a thief, the Government doesn't like the competition.

Its yours? so all the things like police, fire, ambulance, military defense, infrastructure.....NONE of that contributed to your success? Public education?

OK you must have inherited a ton...and you made all of that money entirely by yourself with no employees? WOW you sir are amazing!

Look the society you are in made it all possible, without us as a society you would lose 100% of that, not 75%.

Oh and guess what! If you re-invest that money into your company, growing it...you wont pay 75%!

In fact miracles of miracles...it might pay off long term even more! For everyone! WHOA!


Well, I WAS going to respond, but Greywar just said exactly what I Was going to say, so I'll just say....

^ THIS.
 
2012-05-07 03:30:27 AM
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2012-05-07 03:38:12 AM
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2012-05-07 03:41:56 AM

LordBollocks: Hollande wants to tell Merkel where to shove the austerity plan and attempt to "grow" out of trouble by borrowing even more and spending it on an enlarged public sector. Seems like a pretty big difference to me.


Problem is: Nobody will loan Hollande money. At least not at an intereste rate that would make his plans viable. As soon France stops her "efforts" as meek as they may be, the interest rates will rise. In the old battle between socialist politics and reality the score is about 0:89567.
 
2012-05-07 03:42:43 AM

Heb: hurdboy: Mrtraveler01: France isn't that bad off is it?

S&P already downgraded them (shortly after the US downgrade). Whether or not you believe S&P is another matter.....but nobody in Europe is really in great shape. Eighteen months of a spend-your-way-to-prosperity government won't help matters. The US is a pretty good example of that.

Eh? The US is an example of spending promoting growth. Obama has managed to save US industry, shrink the public sector, and grow the private sector. He saved the US (and your credit rating downgrade was due to the Republicans political shenanigans).

Outside the US he is widely thought to have done an incredible job. But I appreciate that in the US this may not be as important as abortion or something.


Shrug. I think he has done a credible job given the situation, but I think he could have done much better. Mostly by spending more, and spending better. But he has been handicapped by the republicans a lot. Too many people think of him as running the country when he doesn't really.

I've always been fascinated by how others perceive us. Danish coworker of mine recently told me our healthcare situation makes us a laughing stock of the world in some ways. He cant understand how we can fail to realize single payer or govt controlled healthcare for all is to our benefit.
 
2012-05-07 03:46:52 AM
VIVE LE QUEBEC LIBRE!
 
2012-05-07 03:48:20 AM

Monophtalmos: LordBollocks: Hollande wants to tell Merkel where to shove the austerity plan and attempt to "grow" out of trouble by borrowing even more and spending it on an enlarged public sector. Seems like a pretty big difference to me.

Problem is: Nobody will loan Hollande money. At least not at an intereste rate that would make his plans viable. As soon France stops her "efforts" as meek as they may be, the interest rates will rise. In the old battle between socialist politics and reality the score is about 0:89567.


Currently 2.85%. But you may be right long term, one of the problems is they can't print their own money, and exchange inflation for interest on debt.

But you may be surprised. Believe it or not these business people DO understand economics. they may scream and curse about it and demand austerity because its in their individual benefit, but they may also recognize the other side of the coin-that long term-that spending their way out is the best choice.
 
2012-05-07 03:59:47 AM

Greywar:

Interestingly enough given my income, we're talking about my money to a larger degree then the average person. Why not make it 99%? Because at that point we hit diminishing returns on effort vs income. 75% doesn't. That's like saying "hey I washed my cat, why not go all the way and drown him" Which is what you're trying to make it sound like i am saying. Thats sophomoric, and an excellent example of someone quoting a talking point and letting others do their thinking for them. Nice!


Interestingly enough you are the one who wrote exactly "without us as a society you would lose 100% of that, not 75%".
As if society actually can decide to stop existing. You are not the mob, to be able to say "yeah, either give us a large cut or we burn your place down" to business owners. Society benefits from business just as business benefits from society, so the 100% vs 75% "argument" is superfluous.
So yeah, if you don't want people to attribute idiotic ideas to you, stop saying idiotic stuff.


And since deficit spending is occurring then my point is...no he has NOT paid all of his taxes for what he has got. Maybe you've missed basic math here. If you spend $100, and get $110 of services to you, your company, and all of its employees and customers....then no. no you have not paid for all the benefits you got.


First of all, my employees pay their own taxes out of their income which I provide (and I pay on top of that).
Then, my customers are responsible for paying for their own services out of their own income.

I don't know if averages and means factor into your definition of "basic math" but people in the top tax bracket anywhere in Europe pay a lot more in taxes than the value of services they receive. It's those (many) who pay little to no tax who drag down the averages. I'm not saying that's a bad thing and I'm all for progressive taxation, but to argue that the top earners don't pay for their own state-supplied services is idiotic.

"Deficit spending" does not equal "every single person is not paying their fair share". It's more like "those who pay more can't cover for all those who pay less".
There is also the little matter of the services not being worth what you pay for them (used to have this beef with the French myself on occasion), but government waste is another story.

I live in Europe and have worked in France in the past. I have filed tax forms there. France is just about the most egalitarian place there is. The top tax bracket is already 41% and it starts at about 70k euros, which is really not all that much. Even then I'd learn about wealthy people not taking dividends and channeling their money though Switzerland and so on. 75% is just going to encourage more people to do that.
 
2012-05-07 04:12:50 AM

Frank N Stein: He wants to tax the rich 75%. It's going to be funny watching a mass exodus of French businesses.


Two things: You don't understand marginal taxes, and Sarkozy wanted to raise corporate taxes.
 
2012-05-07 04:14:51 AM

neaorin: Greywar:

snip ...


Hi neaorin! I actually have a lot more respect for your response then a lot of the others I get. You're thinking, and I like that.

While tax burden does seem high at the upper end, I would argue that 75% is about right. If you look at it, you even kind of point this out. 70k euros is really not that much....

So should those making 70K euros or less pay more? Because the money has to come from somewhere. This is basic math. But you bring up a good point about tax loopholes etc. If anything the use of those tax loopholes increase the need to increase the percentage. And/OR find a way to close every single darn loophole and still raise taxes.

So if you need more tax income...do you take it from those making less then 70K euros or more?

Short term you need to bring this income in, AND you need deficit spending to stop this downward spiral on the economy, but at the same time long term you need to get the tax money in. That was Greece's problem. Not a spending problem, but a tax one.

Thanks for your thought out and reasoned reply!
 
2012-05-07 07:19:17 AM
Good.

This is what happens when you try to make the poor and middle classes pay for the excesses and avarice of the wealthy elite.
 
2012-05-07 07:20:42 AM

kxs401: Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.


What are you talking about?

America has been living under the rule of that Socialist Muslim Communist Atheist Fascist Barry Hussein NoBama for over three years now? We've had to fight off Death Panels and the biggest tax hikes in American history and stop him from banning the bible somehow and using "fast and the furious" as an excuse to take away all our guns and are working hard to overturn Obamacare so it won't interfere with God's very own healthcare system of Freedom.

/Poe's Law Disclaimer: Simulated Derp for comic purposes only. Poster is actually an Obama supporter.
 
2012-05-07 07:26:03 AM
Europe can end its problems tomorrow when it just agrees to inflation (by printing money big time). That doesn't sit well with the Germans (and the Dutch) because they have the most in savings to lose. Granted, it's only a temporary measure (immediate relief and lasting pain), but that can be prevented by implementing sensible rules for the future - mostly intent on curbing the inclination of consumers to borrow too much money. The Germans don't trust that - they fear that after the relief, people, being human an' all, would just settle back and do nothing. Which is a legitimate fear.
 
2012-05-07 07:54:46 AM

willyfreddy: Democratic Socialism: Makes people happy.

[thatsglitchy.com image 400x275]

/keep rehashing those old talkin' points tho!
//brainwashing amurikans ftw!!!


Except that most of the countries on that list aren't really socialist.
 
2012-05-07 07:55:20 AM

Greywar: Shrug. I think he has done a credible job given the situation, but I think he could have done much better. Mostly by spending more, and spending better. But he has been handicapped by the republicans a lot. Too many people think of him as running the country when he doesn't really


Nope. He put misplaced faith in two places -- success of the "clean energy" industries, and House Democrats. As a result, the questionable green alchemy projects didn't pan out after energy prices started returning to normal, and the stimulus, aside from things like the unemployment benefits, was a collection of Democratic Reps' pork projects stuck on hold since 1994. Until Scott Brown won Kennedy's seat, the Republicans were basically powerless on Capitol Hill. Today, the hold-up is Harry Reid's Senate, where, when there's a negotiation with the Administration, they treat him like what he was -- a back-bench junior Senator from a state with absolutely no chance of electing a Republican to take his spot.

Greywar: I've always been fascinated by how others perceive us. Danish coworker of mine recently told me our healthcare situation makes us a laughing stock of the world in some ways. He cant understand how we can fail to realize single payer or govt controlled healthcare for all is to our benefit.


He's right. The PP&ACA makes US healthcare even more of a joke. We already have single-payer insurance for a large (and growing every year) segment of the population. It works. People who don't want to use it are free not to. Am I curious to see what Romney ends up proposing? Absolutely. Do I think anything other than a single-payer insurance system can work? No.
 
2012-05-07 08:13:32 AM
At least it's an ethos.
 
2012-05-07 08:44:02 AM
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2012-05-07 09:33:30 AM

TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed


Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.
 
2012-05-07 09:40:00 AM

El Brujo: kxs401: Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.

Any American who believes we now have a socialist nation is not someone who should even be given the time of day. These are the same kinds of people who say we have a neegra muslin' for president who wants to take your gun away, and on the opposite side, people who believe jet trails in the sky are means to spy on us.

I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country. Unfortunately, misinformation (24 hour "news" entertainment) has deeply corrupted our collective intelligence. It's farking sad.

I'll believe we are socialist once I stop seeing hundreds of our citizens dying in doorways, on park benches, and in city parks year after year. And when I don't have to not go to my doctor when layoffs happen and I can't afford COBRA.


What's funny here is that you actually believe socialism will mean no more homeless or poor people. Socialism gives us more of those things, not less. I know in your perfect idea of what socialism is, everyone is happy and equal. But that is NEVER the reality. In reality, you get a LOT of poor people, and a very few, politically connected, powerful and rich people.
 
2012-05-07 10:02:20 AM

pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.


And this "trickle down" stuff. How's that been working for ya so far?
 
2012-05-07 10:43:08 AM

pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.


"Every Single Time"?

Socialist policies have been quite successful in a number of countries including right here in the good ol' US of A.

Why is it so hard for some Americans to see that some issues are better addressed with Socialistic policies while others are better addressed with Capitalistic policies?

Neither Capitalism or Socialism are workable in pure forms, but as part of a mixed economy, they are quite successful.
 
2012-05-07 10:52:30 AM

keylock71: pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.

"Every Single Time"?

Socialist policies have been quite successful in a number of countries including right here in the good ol' US of A.

Why is it so hard for some Americans to see that some issues are better addressed with Socialistic policies while others are better addressed with Capitalistic policies?

Neither Capitalism or Socialism are workable in pure forms, but as part of a mixed economy, they are quite successful.


I noticed you didn't site any examples.
 
Heb
2012-05-07 11:00:31 AM

pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.


Nonsense. Or at least I think you're talking nonsense. It's so hard to tell with Americans what they mean when they use the word "socialism" these days. But socialist principles and left-leading governments have been demonstrably effective in almost every developed nation.

As of course have right-leaning governments. Which is evidence of the way democracy works best, changing governments and methods over time to adapt to different circumstances, keeping the good and changing the bad.

Anyway, stop being a loon.
 
2012-05-07 11:07:18 AM

TV's Vinnie: pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.

And this "trickle down" stuff. How's that been working for ya so far?


Pretty good actually.

Link
 
2012-05-07 11:08:20 AM

pnome: I noticed you didn't site any examples.


I provided the exact same number of examples you did...

Do your own homework.

I'll even give you a hint. Have a look at some of the policies in place in Denmark and Finland.
 
2012-05-07 11:08:59 AM

Heb: pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.

Nonsense. Or at least I think you're talking nonsense. It's so hard to tell with Americans what they mean when they use the word "socialism" these days. But socialist principles and left-leading governments have been demonstrably effective in almost every developed nation.

As of course have right-leaning governments. Which is evidence of the way democracy works best, changing governments and methods over time to adapt to different circumstances, keeping the good and changing the bad.

Anyway, stop being a loon.


...when they give up on socialism and start implementing market based reforms.
 
Heb
2012-05-07 11:17:58 AM

pnome: Heb: pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.

Nonsense. Or at least I think you're talking nonsense. It's so hard to tell with Americans what they mean when they use the word "socialism" these days. But socialist principles and left-leading governments have been demonstrably effective in almost every developed nation.

As of course have right-leaning governments. Which is evidence of the way democracy works best, changing governments and methods over time to adapt to different circumstances, keeping the good and changing the bad.

Anyway, stop being a loon.

...when they give up on socialism and start implementing market based reforms.


What does "giving up on socialism" mean? Some things the state does better. Just because you don't want the state to do everything doesn't mean you've "given up on socialism" any more than not wanting the market to do everything mean you've "given up on capitalism". None of the developed countries have adopted an entirely market driven approach, because it doesn't work and creates massive injustices, just as none of the developed countries have stuck with an entirely state based approach, because that doesn't work either. But we aren't talking about communism v unfettered capitalism, we are talking about the integration of socialist policies (which you rather foolishly claimed always failed) and an effective regulated market.

There have been plenty of effective left-wing governments enacting socialist principles (and indeed a few duds), just as their have been effective right-wing governments pushing deregulation of the markets (and a few duds). What democracy does best is swing between the two to create effective democracy, where the state does what it does best, and the regulated market does what it does best.

Honestly, you just sound like a fool when you proclaim that socialist policies always fail.
 
Esn
2012-05-07 11:35:44 AM

Malivon: Here's a question. Why would electing a socialist be a bad thing? I'm not for the idea or against it, simply because the knowledge that I have of the current state of France is borderline ignorant. Sure they're pretty much #2 in the Euro Zone and have a lot of say with the power of the purse, but my knowledge of the situation is equal to that of knowing how to do chemistry (knowing more than some, but not enough to grasp it and make it easy).

This may be what Europe needs or not need.

Why yes, I am in America. That is beside the point if you think you are going to come up with some witty remark about how Americans are ignorant, you can stop. Enlighten me on the situation rather than make a mockery of what I don't know, simply because I'm asking a simple question.


It's bad because "socialist" is like "atheist" in America. You can't be elected to public office if you admit you are one. Therefore, somebody actually admitting to being a socialist and nevertheless being elected president is a sign of unimaginable, incomprehensible evil and you should shun the entire nation of France because they're obviously very stupid because Americans hate socialism and know what is good better than the French do.

That is why it's a bad thing.
 
2012-05-07 11:40:02 AM

pnome: TV's Vinnie: pnome: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed

Yeah, that would be a "hoot." Since they've failed miserably EVERY SINGLE TIME they've been tried.

And this "trickle down" stuff. How's that been working for ya so far?

Pretty good actually.

Link


Yeah. Right!

theeconomiccollapseblog.com
 
2012-05-07 12:00:22 PM
Welcome to the club, France!
 
Heb
2012-05-07 12:07:04 PM

Silverstaff: Lee Jackson Beauregard: MeinRS6: Heb: I'm fairly certain you've turned yourself into the joke.

I'm entirely certain that you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Do you even know what you are trying to attack me about now? Just STFU. No one cares.

Hmm, I wonder if the filter applies to favorite tags. I'm about to favorite MeinRS6 as "schitthead".

I have him tagged as "Tatsuma's Alt" after Tats slipped up last year and revealed that they were the same person: Link


That is very, very funny
 
2012-05-07 12:19:58 PM
France is going to be a great demonstration of what is wrong with socialism when Hollande's policies fail disasterously for France. If you think Greece is doing bad, you haven't seen anything yet.
 
2012-05-07 12:40:42 PM
Socialist? What is that? A communist?
 
2012-05-07 12:42:59 PM
Corporations - "We have to stay on top by being plaint in our goods, services, markets, staffing and executive policies. We have to be able to turn on a dime. We're profitable"

Small Business - "Our mission is to meet the needs of your market niche and to always continue learning and changing. We're making making money"

Government - "NO, NO. NO CHANGE! WE ARE AN AUGUST AND TRADITION FESTOONED BODY ETCHED IN STONE!. We're about to be boarded up."

One of these things is not like the others.
 
Heb
2012-05-07 12:52:03 PM

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Socialist? What is that? A communist?


I think, in American parlance, it means anything to the left of Franco.
 
2012-05-07 01:05:06 PM

Lupine Chemist: German fear of any inflation is absolutely ridiculous

It's ridiculous all the way up till you are deep in it, at which point there is close to no escape except very hard and painful medicine.
 
2012-05-07 01:16:09 PM

AngryDragon: Monseiur Hollande already has a plan. In order to feed the proletariat, he is going to reduce the size of France's standing army. He should get a good return on that program though.


[de-motivational-posters.com image 540x432]


Link
 
2012-05-07 02:49:19 PM
who was it that said this:

"If you are 20 and aren't a socialist, you have no heart. If you are 40 and you're still a socialist, you have no brain."

Can't remember where I heard/read that.
 
Heb
2012-05-07 03:09:23 PM

Bruxellensis: who was it that said this:

"If you are 20 and aren't a socialist, you have no heart. If you are 40 and you're still a socialist, you have no brain."

Can't remember where I heard/read that.


The quote is usually attributed to Churchill, though there is no record of him saying it. And it's liberal rather than socialist, which makes no sense from Churchill.
 
2012-05-07 05:31:39 PM

Bruxellensis: who was it that said this:

"If you are 20 and aren't a socialist, you have no heart. If you are 40 and you're still a socialist, you have no brain."

Can't remember where I heard/read that.


And if you haven't figured out false dichotomies by 30, stay the hell out of politics.
 
2012-05-07 05:38:41 PM

bunner: Bruxellensis: who was it that said this:

"If you are 20 and aren't a socialist, you have no heart. If you are 40 and you're still a socialist, you have no brain."

Can't remember where I heard/read that.

And if you haven't figured out false dichotomies by 30, stay the hell out of politics.


No comment.
 
2012-05-07 05:45:09 PM

bunner: Bruxellensis: who was it that said this:

"If you are 20 and aren't a socialist, you have no heart. If you are 40 and you're still a socialist, you have no brain."

Can't remember where I heard/read that.

And if you haven't figured out false dichotomies by 30, stay the hell out of politics.


If you think that massive gov't deficit spending is going to solve all of the country's economic problems going forward, stay the hell out of politics.
 
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