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(France 24)   Socialist François Hollande elected French president with 51.9% of the vote. Commence with the surrender jokes   (france24.com) divider line 559
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2012-05-06 03:06:42 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Marxist Americans


i wonder how many actual "marxist" americans there are in 2012. i'm guessing somewhere around 20 or so.
 
2012-05-06 03:06:50 PM

Hagbardr: Decades from now, people will look back on the austerity measures and wonder what the hell they were thinking.


And five years after, everyone will have forgotten and try it again.
 
2012-05-06 03:07:15 PM

Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.


The global economy is now an etch a sketch with no silver on the screen. Time to shake it and start over. We need to stop blowing bubbles and the people who crate them.
 
2012-05-06 03:07:21 PM

dehehn: Mrtraveler01: Free Radical: Finally, FOX can go back to hating the French again.

They hated France when Chirac was in charge and he was in the same party as Sarkozy. Fox hates France no matter what they do.

Headline flashing on BBC News:

"Sarkozy: Let's be a united and patriotic France"

Won't see any Americans politicians saying anything like that.

I'm pretty sure you hear every American politician say that. Before and after which they tell their audience that half of the country wants to destroy everything that America stands for.


Good point.
 
2012-05-06 03:07:29 PM

FlashHarry: Snarfangel: I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.

well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed. so why not try a keynesian approach -- one that has actually worked in the past? (but if they do, let's see if they actually pay it back per the second part of the keynes model).


No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.
 
2012-05-06 03:08:01 PM

Serious Black: Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?

Nuclear war by the end of 2014. You heard it here first, folks.


only in your dreams
 
2012-05-06 03:08:06 PM

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


You mean left wing ideas like the free market paradises of Ireland and Iceland collapsing? Or the left wing Goldman Sachs who helped Greece hide their debt to get around EU deficit restrictions? Or the left wing housing bubble that's bringing down Spain and Portugal? Or the left wing British banks that are still loaded with toxic assets which are driving the UK back into a recession? Or what about the left wing "Tiger of Eastern Europe" Romania, which was the fastest growing European economy until the global economic contraction took down their government? Exactly which left wing ideas are causing this massive continent-wide failure?
 
2012-05-06 03:08:35 PM
On 26 January he outlined a full list of policies in a manifesto containing 60 propositions, including the separation of retail activities from riskier investment-banking businesses, raising taxes for big corporations, banks and the wealthy, creating 60,000 teaching jobs, bringing the official retirement age back down to 60 from 62, creating subsidised jobs in areas of high unemployment for the young, promoting more industry in France by creating a public investment bank, granting marriage and adoption rights to same-sex couples, and pulling French troops out of Afghanistan in 2012.

Wouldn't it be nice...
 
2012-05-06 03:09:25 PM

Tax Boy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x433]

"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"


Tomorrow's headline "Bruni divorces Sarkozy, realizes he is an ugly little man with no power or influence"
 
2012-05-06 03:09:37 PM

Serious Black: FlashHarry: Snarfangel: I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.

well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed. so why not try a keynesian approach -- one that has actually worked in the past? (but if they do, let's see if they actually pay it back per the second part of the keynes model).

No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.

...you mean step two isn't decry Keynesianism as a failure, then proceed to cut taxes for the rich and increase spending?
 
2012-05-06 03:09:45 PM

Mrtraveler01: Fox hates France no matter what they do.


not quite. they're so dumb that they actually "liked" france when sarkozy won - for one reason only: because he's a self-proclaimed "conservative."

the fact that he's to the left of obama on just about everything means nothing to them. it's the same reason they think nazis were left-wing - because they have the word "socialist" in their name. (no word on how they feel about the DPRK)
 
2012-05-06 03:09:54 PM

Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.


They'll do exactly like they did after the fall of Rome. Neo-feudalism.
 
2012-05-06 03:10:00 PM

TravisBickle62: Still better than Hitler


You mean Le Pen?
 
2012-05-06 03:10:07 PM
As much as I'm intrigued by Hollande's positioning on economic policy (hooray for somebody who actually read an econ text!), I worry about whether or not he'll be able to successfully navigate foreign policy.

Sarko's proved a master of mitigating German tendencies, and he's been a staunch pro-US ally. He's disgusting wrt French Arabs, but in the grand scheme, he's prevented the Germans from really punishing the PIIGS and he brought France back into NATO. I should only hope Hollande is as facile politically.
 
2012-05-06 03:10:24 PM
This just in, "hooray for me, f*ck you, GIMMIE" has turned out to be a failed economic model.
 
2012-05-06 03:10:25 PM

DamnYankees: HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.

His positions are all on his wikipedia page. Nothing insane as far as I can see, though certainly he'd be a far leftist in America.


You mean taxing earnings at 75% over 1 million dollars is not insane to you?

/tomorrow the flight of the wealthy begins from France
 
2012-05-06 03:10:34 PM

Martonio: Tax Boy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x433]

"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"

Tomorrow's headline "Bruni divorces Sarkozy, realizes he is an ugly little man with no power or influence"


Unless he's packin'.

/If you know what I mean...
 
2012-05-06 03:11:12 PM
Does Hollande have a smokin' hot wife?
 
2012-05-06 03:11:13 PM

Tax Boy: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x433]

"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"


Divorce papers in quatre...trois...deux...
 
2012-05-06 03:11:14 PM

Serious Black: No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.


yup.

except we did complete step two in the 50s and 60s, when we taxed the shiat out of everyone. and what happened? america's standard of living rose exponentially.
 
2012-05-06 03:11:15 PM
From the BBC's article:

"The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year."

OMG! the SOSHALUSM!!

wont someone please think of the poor millionaires and the multinationals?

clearly the bolsheviks have taken power in france, and we'll have Red Terror and Death Panels in hours.
 
2012-05-06 03:11:39 PM

NaziKamikaze: I think anyone who thinks the France/surrenders hurr durr joke is funny surrendered their sense of humor long ago.


My sense of humor is perfectly functional.

Of course, I also think Jerry Lewis is hilarious.
 
2012-05-06 03:12:42 PM

Robo Beat: Means nothing until the results of the parliamentary elections are in come June 17th.


Actually, the President of France is pretty damn powerful relative to the parliament. The parliament was more powerful in the third (and fourth, which was pretty much the same as the third) republic, but on more than one occasion they couldn't stop squabbling long enough to actually defend the country. When they were begging De Gaulle to come back to lead the nation through the algiers crisis, he insisted on being allowed to implement a few constitutional reforms as a condition to taking it. Which is why the fifth republic has a ridiculously strong presidency.

And that said, I don't think there's much reason to expect something other than a socialist plurality given how this election turned out.
 
2012-05-06 03:12:44 PM

Overfiend: You mean taxing earnings at 75% over 1 million dollars is not insane to you?


worked for america in the 50s and 60s.
 
2012-05-06 03:13:12 PM

LordOfThePings: TravisBickle62: Still better than Hitler

You mean Le Pen?


potato, pomme de terre, tomato, tomate...
 
2012-05-06 03:13:23 PM

FlashHarry: Serious Black: No shiat. Everybody loves step one. Nobody likes step two. They rush right to step three: profit.

yup.

except we did complete step two in the 50s and 60s, when we taxed the shiat out of everyone. and what happened? america's standard of living rose exponentially.


ill never understand why americans are so scared of taxes
no wonder their infrastructure is shiat
 
2012-05-06 03:13:27 PM

Father_Jack: From the BBC's article:

"The socialist candidate has promised to raise taxes on big corporations and people earning more than 1m euros a year."

OMG! the SOSHALUSM!!

wont someone please think of the poor millionaires and the multinationals?

clearly the bolsheviks have taken power in france, and we'll have Red Terror and Death Panels in hours.


I've though long and hard about the poor millionaires and multinationals. So far, none of it can be printed here.
 
2012-05-06 03:13:53 PM
Hollande will have to face reality just like Sarkozy did. And embrace the loving hug of Mother Merkel.
 
2012-05-06 03:13:55 PM

kxs401: Oooh, an actual socialist. So many Americans have no idea what those are.


Any American who believes we now have a socialist nation is not someone who should even be given the time of day. These are the same kinds of people who say we have a neegra muslin' for president who wants to take your gun away, and on the opposite side, people who believe jet trails in the sky are means to spy on us.

I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country. Unfortunately, misinformation (24 hour "news" entertainment) has deeply corrupted our collective intelligence. It's farking sad.

I'll believe we are socialist once I stop seeing hundreds of our citizens dying in doorways, on park benches, and in city parks year after year. And when I don't have to not go to my doctor when layoffs happen and I can't afford COBRA.
 
2012-05-06 03:15:17 PM
So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.
 
2012-05-06 03:15:56 PM
Raise taxes and increase gov't spending! That will fix everything.

Thank Allah for socialism.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:07 PM

Mentat: Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.

They'll do exactly like they did after the fall of Rome. Neo-feudalism.


well...that's what the new rulers will do. the old rulers will die badly and leave their heads to rot on pikes outside the burned out shell of wall street buildings.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:37 PM

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


Mange merde un morte.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:41 PM

ontariolightning: ill never understand why americans are so scared of taxes
no wonder their infrastructure is shiat


a major part of the problem is we don't see any of the benefits of taxes (or very few, anyway). i've lived in sweden, finland, france and switzerland. there, you see great roads, nice schools, cheap education, free healthcare, etc. etc. so, yes, you pay high taxes, but you get something for it.

here we see elective wars and bridges to nowhere.

it's been 80 years since the new deal and 60 since eisenhower built the interstates. people have forgotten that government can do good.
 
2012-05-06 03:16:51 PM

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


Yeah, but New FeudalismTM has been working just awesome for this nation, right?
 
2012-05-06 03:17:02 PM

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


it could have been worse. Le Pen is to the left of the Socialists on economic policies.
 
2012-05-06 03:17:27 PM

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


France reacts to the failure of austerity measures to improve the economy by... electing a socialist.
 
2012-05-06 03:17:43 PM

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


this has been covered. do try to keep up.
 
2012-05-06 03:17:44 PM

Hollie Maea: dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?

My understanding is that Marine Le Pen gave the finger to Sarkozy and said she would cast a blank ballot.


My opinion of Sarkozy just jumped.
 
2012-05-06 03:18:00 PM

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.


To be fair, their "socialists" tend to be technocratic graduates of elite French educational institutions.

El Brujo: I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country


Typo or awesome play on words?

I'm appropriating this for the forces of literacy.
 
2012-05-06 03:19:39 PM

kevinatilusa: Hollie Maea: dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?

My understanding is that Marine Le Pen gave the finger to Sarkozy and said she would cast a blank ballot.

My opinion of Sarkozy just jumped.


I've long had a soft spot for the guy. Granted, mine was more for him being one of the most powerful people in the world, married to a supermodel, and still being incredibly self conscious of his height, which I got a laugh at, but still.
 
2012-05-06 03:20:21 PM

Weaver95: Mentat: Weaver95: if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.

They'll do exactly like they did after the fall of Rome. Neo-feudalism.

well...that's what the new rulers will do. the old rulers will die badly and leave their heads to rot on pikes outside the burned out shell of wall street buildings.


Nah. After Rome fell, it was the wealthy landowners who set up the first fiefdoms. I guess I'll have to choose between the Holy Republic of Kochistan or the Boone Pickens Memorial Autocracy.
 
2012-05-06 03:20:33 PM

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


well...the right wing bankers DID cause the problem in the first place. might as well try something else, right?

or did you seriously mean to suggest that the world needs to keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again, while hoping that THIS time things will be different?
 
2012-05-06 03:22:17 PM

fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

That's some good political work there, Louis.


It's all debt. Money, property, federal budgets, revenues, the ground you're standing on. Somebody owns it and has whored it out to a bank and the bank turned it into a lot of gymnastic stock issues and billed you for it. It's. All. Debt.

The about to be shaken etch a sketch, let me show it to yas.

We're all sitting on our asses fighting over which outstanding failed, brief glitch in how money and governance works will obviously prevail, when it's as plain as the balls on a tall dog that pretty much every socioeconomic ideology in use for the last 3000 years manged to crawl up it's own ass before copping a major lean and sinking into the swamp.

Don't worry, we never learn from this, so we're completely immune.
 
2012-05-06 03:22:27 PM
A monument of some damn French woman surrendering. Fark them those socialist basturds.


mw2.google.com
 
2012-05-06 03:22:34 PM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

To be fair, their "socialists" tend to be technocratic graduates of elite French educational institutions.



such as my school. :)
 
2012-05-06 03:22:46 PM

Weaver95: or did you seriously mean to suggest that the world needs to keep making the same mistakes over and over and over and over again, while hoping that THIS time things will be different?


i believe this is the entire republican platform in a nutshell.
 
2012-05-06 03:23:11 PM

Mentat: Nah. After Rome fell, it was the wealthy landowners who set up the first fiefdoms. .


the ones who survived the invasions, waves of diseases and riots (plus harsh winters and starvation) then sure....

but our robber barons pf tpdau aren't exactly prepared to survive in that sort of world. they usually run away from their problems and hire lawyers to deal with the fallout. when the world economy implodes this time around, the lawyers and their clients are gonna have some harsh new realities to face....
 
2012-05-06 03:23:31 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

The part that seems to have you confused is that it was socialist policies that caused their problems in the first place. It's not like the austerity measures were in place for the past 30 years while debt piled up.


Yeah, right. 30 years of Reagan/Thatcher type policies were "socialist". Sure.
 
2012-05-06 03:24:08 PM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: fickle floridian: So France reacts to the European Debt Crisis by... electing a socialist.

To be fair, their "socialists" tend to be technocratic graduates of elite French educational institutions.

El Brujo: I'm willing to bet those that waive this flag have never been to a socialist country

Typo or awesome play on words?

I'm appropriating this for the forces of literacy.


Unintended pun about the French. You know what I mean...talking about palin-americans.
Good on ya though for pointing that out! I must need another cup of coffee, because I'm not a French hater and don't understand why any American in their right mind would be. Totally misguided and undeserved.
 
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