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(France 24)   Socialist François Hollande elected French president with 51.9% of the vote. Commence with the surrender jokes   (france24.com) divider line 559
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2012-05-06 02:47:29 PM  
What Wall St Firm did he work for?
 
2012-05-06 02:47:38 PM  
 
2012-05-06 02:48:00 PM  

Weaver95: as for the article...if France elects a socialist does that mean we have to invade them?


We've certainly established a precedent that we believe it is our right to do so. And the rest of the world didn't really do much to stop us other than some grumbling here and there. So I really don't see why we shouldn't. You know, for national security.
 
2012-05-06 02:48:03 PM  

dahmers love zombie: So, French Farkers (or people who simply know more about politics than I do): Did Marine LePen's supporters not vote, or weren't they enough, or what? They sure as hell wouldn't have supported Hollande, right?


My understanding is that Marine Le Pen gave the finger to Sarkozy and said she would cast a blank ballot.
 
2012-05-06 02:48:05 PM  
So has he been promising change and going to give billions of dollars in stimulus funds and not have it do anything?
 
2012-05-06 02:48:06 PM  

quickdraw: Well so much for the EU the way Germany wants it.


Apparently there isn't enough excitement in the EU.

This will fix that nicely.
 
2012-05-06 02:48:56 PM  

Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:


Doe this even matter? No offense to the Greeks, but it seems like their fate is sort of out of their control.
 
2012-05-06 02:49:27 PM  
I hope Hollande not only ends up saving France, but that his policies will become an inspiration/blueprint to the rest of the EU (and dare I say, the US as well)? It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

It would drive the right wing so WHARRGARBL-y to find out that hey, socialism is better than "trickle down" economics after all.
 
2012-05-06 02:50:08 PM  
Monseiur Hollande already has a plan. In order to feed the proletariat, he is going to reduce the size of France's standing army. He should get a good return on that program though.


de-motivational-posters.com
 
2012-05-06 02:50:20 PM  

Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.


Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.
 
2012-05-06 02:50:58 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.


He opposes the european austerity measures and wants to actually try and rebuild the economy before trying to pay down debts. I'm sure he has other goals, but that's what he was elected on. Sarkozy was for austerity and the German plan, Hollande was opposed.
 
2012-05-06 02:51:01 PM  
According to some articles, it appears the French 'wealthy' are eyeing a surrender across the channel...

...just like Alec Baldwin fled when GWB was elected...
 
2012-05-06 02:51:47 PM  
Still better than Hitler
 
2012-05-06 02:53:03 PM  

Styro Foam: Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.

Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.


If the system collapse in Europe it will DEFINITELY impact us here because we do a lot of trading with them. They're a part of the reason our recovery has been so damn slow. Same goes with China which seems to be denying itself that they're on a bubble.
 
2012-05-06 02:53:09 PM  

Styro Foam: Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.

Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.


when countries go broke all sudden like, they tend to get stabby. then then start invading other countries and stealing their stuff.

I'd really like to avoid another world war. can't we all just agree that this whole thing is the fault of goldman-sachs and put those greedy f*ckers on trial?
 
2012-05-06 02:53:44 PM  

quickdraw: Well so much for the EU the way Germany wants it.


It wouldn't be the first time that's happened.
 
2012-05-06 02:53:45 PM  

DamnYankees: Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

Doe this even matter? No offense to the Greeks, but it seems like their fate is sort of out of their control.


No, they've dug too deep. They're pretty much only delaying the inevitable at this point.
 
2012-05-06 02:53:55 PM  

Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

The neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party could enter parliament for the first time if the exit poll prediction of it winning 6.5 -7.5% of the vote comes to fruition.


wat.
 
2012-05-06 02:54:44 PM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

"Well, at least now I shall have more time to devote to sex with my incredibly hot wife"
 
2012-05-06 02:55:34 PM  
and the French are still not going to win L' Tour d' France!
 
2012-05-06 02:55:50 PM  

smooshie: Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

The neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party could enter parliament for the first time if the exit poll prediction of it winning 6.5 -7.5% of the vote comes to fruition.

wat.


We never learned from the 1930's did we?
 
2012-05-06 02:56:13 PM  
So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-05-06 02:57:11 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Styro Foam: Weaver95: Styro Foam: Oh man, this and the election in Greece are going to have huge ramifications for Europe. Maybe they'll reject austerity and bring the financial you of cards down. I can only hope.

if europe implodes, that'll screw over the US (and eventually China). this would not be good for any of us.

Yes, it would be terrible, but it might be the catalyst for some big changes the world needs. I really shouldn't be so optimistic about it since I live in the US. If the system collapses here I'm screwed.

If the system collapse in Europe it will DEFINITELY impact us here because we do a lot of trading with them. They're a part of the reason our recovery has been so damn slow. Same goes with China which seems to be denying itself that they're on a bubble.


yeah...now all we need is for the chinese bubble to pop and that's it - Great Depression 2.0 and we'll be knee deep in dominionist theocrats and evangelicals.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:13 PM  

Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?


Makes for good soccer games though.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:29 PM  
How the far-right was the real winner in French elections.

I'm not sure I'd agree, but... I'll miss Carla Bruni.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:32 PM  
Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.
 
2012-05-06 02:57:56 PM  
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2012-05-06 02:59:01 PM  

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


Scandanavia is doing pretty well and they use left-wing ideas.

But you're nothing more than a binary thinking troll so why should I bother?
 
2012-05-06 02:59:04 PM  
"But, but.. .SOSHLIZMS!" If you can install a government whose actual mission is to support the society it portends to serve while maintaining a robust but regulated capitalist engine and not steal or get fat with pelf on the public's dime, you will have done what every other leader in history said they wanted to do, and would do, but didn't. I don't care if you call it the burnt waffle and cheese sandwich party. "You can call the band 'sh*t' if the record sells" - Craig Balzer.
 
2012-05-06 02:59:38 PM  
I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.
 
2012-05-06 02:59:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.

Scandanavia is doing pretty well and they use left-wing ideas.

But you're nothing more than a binary thinking troll so why should I bother?


No no that doesn't count whenever it works.
 
2012-05-06 03:00:17 PM  
Means nothing until the results of the parliamentary elections are in come June 17th.
 
2012-05-06 03:00:41 PM  

WizardofToast: smooshie: Mrtraveler01: If you think it was bad in France, check out what happened in Greece today:

The neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party could enter parliament for the first time if the exit poll prediction of it winning 6.5 -7.5% of the vote comes to fruition.

wat.

We never learned from the 1930's did we?


we DID learn a number of lessons form the 30's. what we DIDN'T do is remember those lessons. And you can't even blame one particular party or age group for this mess. a whole lot of people over a couple of decades all got together and denied reality, then stripped out all the common sense restrictions that got put into place to prevent another Great Depression from happening.
 
2012-05-06 03:00:57 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I hope Hollande not only ends up saving France, but that his policies will become an inspiration/blueprint to the rest of the EU (and dare I say, the US as well)? It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

It would drive the right wing so WHARRGARBL-y to find out that hey, socialism is better than "trickle down" economics after all.


shiat, actually doing nothing is probably better for the economy than "trickle down" economics.
 
2012-05-06 03:01:05 PM  

cptjeff: HellRaisingHoosier: Question: What does an actual Socialist leader want as reform? And what changes HAD he already made in France?

I'm American so Socialist is, literally, a bad word here. But I'm curious about countries where it is an actual political platform.

He opposes the european austerity measures and wants to actually try and rebuild the economy before trying to pay down debts. I'm sure he has other goals, but that's what he was elected on. Sarkozy was for austerity and the German plan, Hollande was opposed.


I think he's right about premature austerity and the damage that has already done to Europe, but things like rolling back the retirement age to 60 from 62 are unsustainable in the long term if you want to be able to pay down debt between crisis rather than ending up like Greece where all counter-cyclical capability is gone.
 
2012-05-06 03:02:15 PM  

T-Servo: How the far-right was the real winner in French elections.

I'm not sure I'd agree, but... I'll miss Carla Bruni.


So the far right was able to pull the losers farther right. Yep, big winners there, manipulating the people who end up with no power. I predict similar "big wins" by the Tea party this fall here in the US.
 
2012-05-06 03:02:17 PM  

randomjsa: Trust the French to take a look around at left wing ideas falling apart all around them and decide, hey, we need more of this.


Goldman-Sachs are left wing liberals...?

this collapse has nothing to do with socialism. its the fault of banks and investors running around without controls or even common sense.
 
2012-05-06 03:02:29 PM  
The whole world economy needs to crash so we can start over
 
2012-05-06 03:03:22 PM  
Surrender? If I remember right the true socialists from WW2 did pretty well for themselves and surrender was never really an option.
 
2012-05-06 03:03:47 PM  

TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.


The part that seems to have you confused is that it was socialist policies that caused their problems in the first place. It's not like the austerity measures were in place for the past 30 years while debt piled up.
 
2012-05-06 03:03:49 PM  

Snarfangel: I look forward to seeing another French experiment in socialism. No matter how it turns out, it will be a good lesson for the rest of the world.

/unless Hollande wimps out and runs to the center.


well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed. so why not try a keynesian approach -- one that has actually worked in the past? (but if they do, let's see if they actually pay it back per the second part of the keynes model).
 
2012-05-06 03:04:22 PM  
if the euro zone goes boom, it'll take the US economy with it. China's bubble might very well burst and then we all fall down together.

what then? the rich folks won't have anywhere to run to anymore...and they'll be surrounded by a bunch of very pissed off people looking for scapegoats to hang on the fenceposts outside those gated communities.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:29 PM  
Commie French, Nazi Greeks and Marxist Americans. Well played Mayans.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:43 PM  

quatchi: Let them eat Eggs Benedict!

/Got nothing.

So... austerity programs not particularly popular.

Heh, who'da thunk?


Not to mention counterproductive. Decades from now, people will look back on the austerity measures and wonder what the hell they were thinking.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:46 PM  
Hollande was endorsed by the

flynn80: What Wall St Firm did he work for?


he didn't, but he was endorsed by the CEO of Lazard.
 
2012-05-06 03:04:48 PM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: TV's Vinnie: It would be a hoot to see socialist policies succeed where these retarded "austerity" measured have failed.

The part that seems to have you confused is that it was socialist policies that caused their problems in the first place. It's not like the austerity measures were in place for the past 30 years while debt piled up.


It doesn't help when you don't enforce your tax policies either (ie: Greece).
 
2012-05-06 03:04:49 PM  

Mentat: So, it looks like it's going to be France vs. Germany for the future of Europe. What could possibly go wrong?


Nuclear war by the end of 2014. You heard it here first, folks.
 
2012-05-06 03:05:21 PM  

TravisBickle62: Still better than Hitler


I snickered.
 
2012-05-06 03:05:35 PM  

FlashHarry: well, the austerity experiment that cameron's conservatives have put forth in the UK has failed.


It obviously failed because it wasn't conservative ENOUGH.

/standard conservative excuse for their failures
 
2012-05-06 03:06:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Free Radical: Finally, FOX can go back to hating the French again.

They hated France when Chirac was in charge and he was in the same party as Sarkozy. Fox hates France no matter what they do.

Headline flashing on BBC News:

"Sarkozy: Let's be a united and patriotic France"

Won't see any Americans politicians saying anything like that.


I'm pretty sure you hear every American politician say that. Before and after which they tell their audience that half of the country wants to destroy everything that America stands for.
 
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