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(Some Ten Bears)   Americans living "off the grid" look surprisingly healthy, don't fish poorly (lots of pics)   (ericvalli.com) divider line 75
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2012-05-06 04:51:14 PM
10 votes:
In my day, we called them hippies and Backwoods folk.

The lifestyle is fine -- if you enjoy intense labor every day just to exist, don't mind your women looking mostly like guys and guys looking like Hillbillies. If you get seriously sick, you might have a bit of a problem getting medical care in time and 'natural cures' are NOT as good as everyone wants you to think. Most of our current medications came from natural cures AFTER they had been distilled, concentrated and often mixed with other chemicals.

Making your own soap and candles from 'natural' stuff like meat tallow and fats, which you have to first catch and render, is a real biatch also. (Most herbal soap makers today buy their basic soap ingredients and combine them to sell you 'natural, hand made soap'.)

Plus, you had best know EXACTLY what you're doing to preserve food, especially canning. You'll need about a barrel full of salt. Make a mistake and you die. Rather unpleasantly too.

That said, in my twenties, I seriously considered getting a chunk of land in the woods, building my own cabin and kind of living somewhat off the grid. About that time, though, I REALLY discovered girls, booze, parties and drove a tricked out 1967 Pontiac GTO.
Not too many girls, I discovered, were interested in trekking out into the bush, fighting bugs, swinging an axe or helping rip the skin off a freshly killed animal.

Besides, they looked so much cuter all made up. It was the 70's. Guys looked dumb but women looked HOT!

So, I never built that cabin. I also discovered that I like a/c, TV and computers -- and black lights.

My idea now would be a solar cell powered place, probably one of those Tiny Cabins on wheels (no -- not motor homes, real cabins that you tow) a generator, and access to a grocery store, even if it was miles away. The idea of the nearest neighbor being at least a mile away sounds real good to me. And forest. Lots of forest.
2012-05-06 04:07:27 PM
7 votes:
They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.
2012-05-06 07:08:06 PM
6 votes:

Hankie Fest: Fubini:
I'd still like to know what these people think they're accomplishing with their lives, other than existing.

THIS THIS THIS. What have they done to better the world, to help other people, to make a positive impact in society, to help future generations? Nothin'. They're just existing. Whooptie.


What have YOU done?

You're sitting on Fark deriding these people you don't even know on a Sunday night.

I highly doubt you have bettered humanity in any significant way based on that fact alone.

No offense but... c'mon.
2012-05-06 06:58:13 PM
6 votes:
A lot of hate in this thread that I think may stem partly from subconscious jealousy. These people are free in a way few people anymore can comprehend.
2012-05-06 07:00:02 PM
5 votes:

Mock26: Kind of a shiatty reason to go live off of the grid.


Why? I think it's a good reason. What other reasons are there? Become a stuffed suit politico who'll eventually just bow down and become what they hated?

Not creating tons of trash or using fossil fuels and living conservatively off the land has a very large impact.

Do you know how much garbage is produced by the average first worlder?

Well I don't either... but I know it's a lot.

I say good for the freaks. I wish there were more like them.
2012-05-06 04:15:58 PM
5 votes:
Some of those look to be Amish people. They've perfected the art of living off the grid.
2012-05-06 04:00:28 PM
5 votes:
So a loner, a crazy family, and some kind of MMMFF orgy thing.
2012-05-06 07:01:51 PM
4 votes:
I'm certain back in days where people actually lived like that by necessity the average person thought "man, if there were only a way to make life easier". At the least, I'm sure most would easily trade lives with modern people today.
2012-05-06 05:20:35 PM
4 votes:

Fubini: I'd still like to know what these people think they're accomplishing with their lives, other than existing.


you'd have to track them down and ask them yourself. it means different things to different people.
2012-05-06 05:12:36 PM
4 votes:

Fubini: What exactly am I looking at?.


'off the grid' means different things to different people. it can mean people deciding what level of technology they're comfortable with and living at that level or it can mean rejecting as much technology as possible. it can even mean trying to live as self sufficently as you can.
2012-05-06 11:09:36 PM
3 votes:

Kaiku: A lot of hate in this thread that I think may stem partly from subconscious jealousy. These people are free in a way few people anymore can comprehend.


They have escaped the shackles of the rat race and daily grind of modern living, only to put on the shackles of primitive living. You still have the daily rat race to survive. You still have things you have to do each day, either to earn money to buy your survival, or to hunt and gather the items required for your survival from nature.

It's freedom because it's a change from the norm. Take any 18th century homesteader and put them in government subsidized housing with a book of food stamps and all they have to do is go pickup food whenever they want without any regard to the season of the year and they'll think they've found nirvana. They're free from the daily grind of working the fields and chopping wood. If it gets too cold? Push a button. Hungry? Push a button.

It's all relative to your point of view. Whatever makes you happy is freedom.
2012-05-06 08:37:10 PM
3 votes:

Vermicious Knids: I always interpreted "off the grid" to mean "living in such a way that you don't need to use city utilities." With the right use of solar or wind power, composting toilet, plus rain barrels or well water you could conceivably do that in the suburbs.

I really don't get the hate for people who try to be more self-sufficient. It's not always about saving the earth or whatever--I'm sure the earth is doing just fine, though we can make it a lot more pleasant or humans to live in. I keep chickens, raise a huge vegetable garden, ride a bike when I can and try to use as little power and tap water as possible because I'm broke and it saves me a metric butt-ton of money. No one is threatened by my choice or theirs, so simmer the fark down.


This.

Well, that's how I started. Still going because, dammit, growing my own food is awesome. And paying for water to water the freakin' ground is stupid, so rain barrels it is. And we have food scraps, so might as well compost them and buy less or no fertilizer. And buying decent fresh fish is expensive, but I've already got the gear, worms in the ground, and a annual license is all of $15. And so on and so on.

If I help the earth, that's a cool side benefit. Not the be all end all.



I do really, really, really hate trustafarians, though.
2012-05-06 07:48:12 PM
3 votes:
I admire these people intensely, and pity those who deride their lifestyle.

Someday soon it'll be you living that way, whether you like it or not.
2012-05-06 07:40:05 PM
3 votes:
Depressing. You want "off the grid," just go to the Appalachians - there's a reason students did research for "Foxfire" up there.

You don't stare at posers.
2012-05-06 07:39:34 PM
3 votes:
All fun and games until the two chicks get knocked up by the three guys and the guys want the chicks to take care of the babies in an unseated shack. That's when things get complicated. Two winters max in the shack with a newborn and then she goes off to teach acting in Boston.
2012-05-06 07:10:57 PM
3 votes:

Fubini: What exactly am I looking at?

Subby says it's living off the grid, TFA says it's people living in harmony with nature.

What do I get instead?

Pic 1) The crazy guy from The Village

Pic 2) The crazy guy from The Village has a motion detecting camera permanently wired to look at his kitchen table. That's not harmony with nature, that's paranoid schizophrenia.

Pic 4) What is this I don't even

Pic 5) "Harmony with nature" means modern firearms, a modern (albeit wood burning) kitchen, metal knives, modern glass and metal pots and pans. None of those things could exist without technology from the 1800's, much less the modern day.

Etc. etc. etc... eventually we get to a tribe of fair skinned people with nice complexions covered in gourds. From the bow and arrow, I'm more inclined to think that these people are reenacting the Hunger Games.

I'm not exactly sure what it means to live in harmony with nature. I would have loved some text accompanying these pictures explaining who these people are and what they're trying to accomplish. The first two sets of people definitely don't look like they've totally forsaken modern conveniences, and the last set honestly looks more like an art project than real people surviving in the wilderness.



Hey, at least you're fascinated by their lives. Put your pictures up and see if anyone cares.

Our society is like that of ants. You have to keep sending scouts out so that one of them comes back finding something new and great. This is their quest to find a solution or not be part of the problem of their own defining.

Hunger Games is post apocalyptic USA. This is the life we might all be living if the grid fails.
2012-05-06 07:06:55 PM
3 votes:

kmmontandon: They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.


This isn't true at all. Back in the good old days, people were amazingly healthy.
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Because when they got sick, they died. People living completely off the grid have the ultimate treatment for diabetes and compound fractures- it's called death.

That's the most awesome thing about the Paleo diet. The people who follow the diet (like Innuits) live good, productive, sickness free lives, and die on the average at 40. They don't have most of the problems that modern people do because they don't live long enough.

As long as you're willing to have a 25% chance of dying before the age of 1 and another 50% chance of dying before you're 25, you can get away with all sorts of things that modern people 'need'.
2012-05-06 07:05:59 PM
3 votes:

Kaiku: These people are free in a way few people anymore can comprehend.


Especially the instructor who's getting 600 to 1000 bucks a person from the young people in the last photos for a week long class.
2012-05-06 06:54:21 PM
3 votes:

Fubini: I'd still like to know what these people think they're accomplishing with their lives, other than existing.


A ridiculously empty question.
2012-05-06 06:38:13 PM
3 votes:
More power to people if they can do this.

If I lived 'off the grid', I would do so in town. You can't deny the need for social interaction. But what is 'off the grid'? I thought it being disconnected from the power, sewage and water grids. I wouldn't call these people 'off grid'. A better word or phrase would be 'self sufficient'.

Either way, learning to live within the environment you are in makes sense. I live in a desert, so it would make sense that I practice water conservation, have a home that can protect me from the summer sun and winter moon, know the flora and fauna, geography, and so on.
2012-05-06 05:43:06 PM
3 votes:

Rik01: Making your own soap and candles from 'natural' stuff like meat tallow and fats, which you have to first catch and render, is a real biatch also. (Most herbal soap makers today buy their basic soap ingredients and combine them to sell you 'natural, hand made soap'.)


Apparently soapmaking was such a biatch that they couldn't be bothered with it.
2012-05-06 04:55:21 PM
3 votes:
What exactly am I looking at?

Subby says it's living off the grid, TFA says it's people living in harmony with nature.

What do I get instead?

Pic 1) The crazy guy from The Village

Pic 2) The crazy guy from The Village has a motion detecting camera permanently wired to look at his kitchen table. That's not harmony with nature, that's paranoid schizophrenia.

Pic 4) What is this I don't even

Pic 5) "Harmony with nature" means modern firearms, a modern (albeit wood burning) kitchen, metal knives, modern glass and metal pots and pans. None of those things could exist without technology from the 1800's, much less the modern day.

Etc. etc. etc... eventually we get to a tribe of fair skinned people with nice complexions covered in gourds. From the bow and arrow, I'm more inclined to think that these people are reenacting the Hunger Games.

I'm not exactly sure what it means to live in harmony with nature. I would have loved some text accompanying these pictures explaining who these people are and what they're trying to accomplish. The first two sets of people definitely don't look like they've totally forsaken modern conveniences, and the last set honestly looks more like an art project than real people surviving in the wilderness.
2012-05-06 08:21:13 PM
2 votes:

FormlessOne: Depressing. You want "off the grid," just go to the Appalachians - there's a reason students did research for "Foxfire" up there.

You don't stare at posers.


This is true. I happen to live in the area. This is a way of life for a lot of people because they have never changed things. There are random 'homes' that are back in deep hollers that don't have plumbiing, etc.
Of course we have electricity, phone (though no cell service out here), etc. Our water comes from a spring (run via pipes into the house of course) and we have plumbing and all the stuff we should (obviously, as I'm on the internet, albeit dial up). Between yesterday and today we planted over a half acre of the garden, cut down, sawed up split and stacked a 75 ft black walnut tree that will be seasoned to burn this winter. But we have jobs and we drive to town to go to them (40 miles each way for both of us. He makes decent money, I make minimum wage.

I can see how people would see it as depressing, if they were from somewhere else and came here to our county. They would see beautiful mountains, rivers, trails, etc. But they would leave and think how do those people live there?? We have 4000 (about) people in our county. It's split by the mountain, the people on the other side are the rich folks who live around The Homestead. But most everyone that lives here lives on the same land/house that their parents/grandparents did. Anyone who doesn't, doesn't stay.

I do see a lot of folks, ourselves included, trying to get further off the grid. Our garden for instance. Our hunting/fishing/canning/preserving. Our spring well. Our own wood we cut for heat in the winter so that we do not have to buy oil for the furnace. Anything that I can reasonably do to not have to buy something at a store, etc.I do it because I don't have the money to spend, other people do it because they want to leave less behind. I see some of the people that can afford it have gotten solar panels. But the true off the grid folks around here are down in the ten two and four hollers in their camps and you never see them. But they are there. It's just a different way of life, and the people in the article paying to go to the 'camp' are ridiculous.

/IMHO
2012-05-06 07:54:44 PM
2 votes:
I always interpreted "off the grid" to mean "living in such a way that you don't need to use city utilities." With the right use of solar or wind power, composting toilet, plus rain barrels or well water you could conceivably do that in the suburbs.

I really don't get the hate for people who try to be more self-sufficient. It's not always about saving the earth or whatever--I'm sure the earth is doing just fine, though we can make it a lot more pleasant or humans to live in. I keep chickens, raise a huge vegetable garden, ride a bike when I can and try to use as little power and tap water as possible because I'm broke and it saves me a metric butt-ton of money. No one is threatened by my choice or theirs, so simmer the fark down.
2012-05-06 07:51:09 PM
2 votes:
I see models, digital cameras, modern tack, store bought arrows and suprisingly good complexions along with a fiberglass canoe.
2012-05-06 07:45:08 PM
2 votes:

Fubini: I'd still like to know what these people think they're accomplishing with their lives, other than existing.


I could say that to about 99% of the population.
2012-05-06 07:45:01 PM
2 votes:
As an aside, the average SCA member probably spends more time "off the grid" than the gang of chuckleheads in costume on that site.
2012-05-06 07:35:29 PM
2 votes:

Hankie Fest: The problem is that it's a really selfish way to live. Not helping *is* harm, by omission.


Who says they're not helping? What... you want them to make money to throw into the woodchipper that is government?

I'm sure you are far more likely to get REAL help from these folk than you would from the average member of our modern society.

ecl: No offense but... think before you hit add comment. At least for one second.


Says the fella (or dame) who completely mangled their quote HTML.

You wanna restate your point so I can parse it properly without hurting my old man eyes?
2012-05-06 07:27:37 PM
2 votes:
Not sure I get the hate for those who choose to live off the grid? There are times when I think that if I had the physical capability, I should just say 'fark it', sell everything, buy an axe, shotgun, rope and nails, skillet and other survival supplies, head into the woods and live off the grid. No one to depend upon other than myself.
2012-05-06 07:25:32 PM
2 votes:
The shots were great until it drifted off to takes from the movie set of the hipsters pretending to live off of the grid.
2012-05-06 07:17:48 PM
2 votes:

Hankie Fest: I work at a homeless shelter all day on Mondays.
During the week, I gather food and clothes for other non-profits that redistribute them to the poor.
I've worked in Joplin after the Tornado, held the hands of dying people (when their families wouldn't) while working as a chaplain, and organized benefits for people who can't get to Mayo Clinic for treatment.

Seriously, I could go on, but that's not the point of doing what we're supposed to be doing, is it?

"No offense," but because I'm on Fark on a Sunday night doesn't mean I don't do anything to benefit other people. Your logichas serious flaws.


Well kudos to you. Keep up the good work.

However that doesn't explain why you would deride these folks for their lifestyle.

They're not hurting you and by not participating in modern society they aren't creating the same amount of waste most of us do.

I really don't see a problem here.
2012-05-06 07:14:28 PM
2 votes:

Hankie Fest: "Not being part of the problem" is an interesting reason to do that. If they did away with themselves, wouldn't that make them even a lesser burden on the earth?


Yes... actually. But they decided to live... which is their natural right. Just in a more minimalist way than the rest of us.

I'm sure in this thread we'll hear all about why these people are crazy nutters who should be locked up simply based on the fact they chose to live this way.
2012-05-06 07:13:24 PM
2 votes:
Okay, am I the only one who thought the bare-legged chick on the horse was hot?
/Sure, she was a bit scruffy-looking, but after ten minutes in a hot tub...
2012-05-06 07:11:57 PM
2 votes:
Those are some beautiful beautiful pictures of unique, awesome people. Not the Americans, they're idiots. I'm talking about the other pictures on the site.
2012-05-06 07:11:11 PM
2 votes:

here to help:

What have YOU done?

You're sitting on Fark deriding these people you don't even know on a Sunday night.

I highly doubt you have bettered humanity in any significant way based on that fact alone.

No offense but... c'mon.


I work at a homeless shelter all day on Mondays.
During the week, I gather food and clothes for other non-profits that redistribute them to the poor.
I've worked in Joplin after the Tornado, held the hands of dying people (when their families wouldn't) while working as a chaplain, and organized benefits for people who can't get to Mayo Clinic for treatment.

Seriously, I could go on, but that's not the point of doing what we're supposed to be doing, is it?

"No offense," but because I'm on Fark on a Sunday night doesn't mean I don't do anything to benefit other people. Your logichas serious flaws.
2012-05-06 07:05:00 PM
2 votes:

Fubini:
I'd still like to know what these people think they're accomplishing with their lives, other than existing.


THIS THIS THIS. What have they done to better the world, to help other people, to make a positive impact in society, to help future generations? Nothin'. They're just existing. Whooptie.
2012-05-06 07:04:05 PM
2 votes:

optikeye: The young people in the 'clan of the cave bears' dearskin are students in a 'wilderness class'...who pay 600 bucks a week to the instructor to dress-up and learn skills.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/contact.html

Basically a summer camp for Hippies.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/2012-schedule.html

Here's a list of things you need to bring to $1000 immersion camp:


* MINIMUM 6 LARGE BRAIN TANNED DEER HIDES (OR BUCKSKIN CLOTHES)
* STONE AGE TOOL KIT INCLUDING; FIRE KIT, BONE AWL, STONE KNIFE
* PACK BASKET
* 5LBS DRIED WILD PLANT FOODS
* 5LBS DRIED WILD MEAT OR FISH
* 1LB RENDERED FAT
* WATER CONTAINER
* GATHERING BASKET
* EATING BOWL AND UTENSILS
* RAWHIDE OR BUCKSKIN FOOD CONTAINERS.
* SELF BOW AND ARROWS (OPTIONAL)
* BRING A RAW/DRY SALTED WINTER KILL COW BUFFALO HIDE OR 10LBS OF GOOD FELTING SHEEP WOOL FOR THE BEDDING CLASS.


Well that's just annoying.

And those kids did look a little "trust fund-ish".

I'd still rail the chicks though.

Triple bagged of course.
2012-05-06 06:56:45 PM
2 votes:

here to help: A little context would have been nice.

or am I being foiled by NoScript again (which I am okay with)?


Would have liked to seen more than just images. At least a couple paragraphs of something.
2012-05-06 06:01:12 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: doglover: Rik01: Plus, you had best know EXACTLY what you're doing to preserve food, especially canning.


It's super easy to preserve food. People did it for 10s of 1000s of years before we even knew botulism came from little invisible bugs. Not exactly rocket science.

as long as you follow basic sanitation procedures, it's not even an issue.


Even if you don't, it's hard to get food poisoning. In the Middle Ages people used to cure meat by hanging it up. Just hangin' it up there. They somehow managed to become our ancestors anyway.
2012-05-06 05:45:32 PM
2 votes:

Rik01: Plus, you had best know EXACTLY what you're doing to preserve food, especially canning.



It's super easy to preserve food. People did it for 10s of 1000s of years before we even knew botulism came from little invisible bugs. Not exactly rocket science.
2012-05-07 01:13:27 AM
1 votes:

OscarTamerz: Dumb biatches everywhere go on about fair trade this and sustainable that but the truth is that without modern agriculture mass starvation would be inevitable.


You're right. Unfortunately, so are they.

Without modern agriculture, a shiatload of people will die. Modern agricultural practices are NOT sustainable - that means we can't keep it up forever.

In other words, mass starvation IS inevitable. We're living in a house of cards and sooner or later it's all going to come tumbling down. There are too many unsustainable trends that are all going to reach the tipping point within the next couple of decades. How well society weathers the storm depends on how close together the waves hit.
2012-05-06 11:20:10 PM
1 votes:
The problem with the whole survivalist movement is the government will just move in and take what you have if you are still living comfortably when things go down hill.

Yes I know you could have a dozen guns, body armor, home made explosives but eventually you will go down.

I know this is a fantasy to some people, but are they really looking at the big picture? No medical/dental care, always having to be on the look out for people who will kill you and take your stuff. Eventually running out of resources. You can farm / chop wood but that is a huge job and you still need to protect yourself and your stuff while doing it.

What happens when you need a new roof, septic drained, pipes burst. What happens if you have a fire? Houses are not fun to maintain. Generators run out of gas, solar and wind technology breaks down.

How about instead of planning for the end, we make plans to avoid civilization failing?

Fortunately I am a type 1 diabetic and would not last long without insulin. I keep maybe a 3 months supply on hand, but it doesn't have a shelf life of a couple of years.
2012-05-06 11:02:20 PM
1 votes:
These people think they just invented living like the Amish. Just without religion.
Or as "off the grid" used to be called - camping.
2012-05-06 10:30:54 PM
1 votes:
Can't wait to see what happens when one gets an infection.
2012-05-06 09:56:50 PM
1 votes:

The Jami Turman Fan Club: kmmontandon: They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.

This isn't true at all. Back in the good old days, people were amazingly healthy.
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Because when they got sick, they died. People living completely off the grid have the ultimate treatment for diabetes and compound fractures- it's called death.

That's the most awesome thing about the Paleo diet. The people who follow the diet (like Innuits) live good, productive, sickness free lives, and die on the average at 40. They don't have most of the problems that modern people do because they don't live long enough.

As long as you're willing to have a 25% chance of dying before the age of 1 and another 50% chance of dying before you're 25, you can get away with all sorts of things that modern people 'need'.


THIS

For many people who choose to live without modern conveniences, far from cities and doctors, it is not about how long they live, but how happily they live. In some cases, like that of Dick Proenneke, they can do both. Born in 1916, he lived alone in a cabin he built in the Alaskan wilderness from 1968-2000, when for health reasons (he was 84, and could no longer take care of himself) his son reluctantly moved him back to the city, where he died 3 years later.

Living long is not nearly as important to some people as it is to live happily. Many people are willing to trade major medical care for the freedom that living apart from society gives you. Psychologically speaking, there really isn't anything wrong with that. However, as was mentioned in an earlier post the case with this particular group is that they left society in order "to not be a part of problem anymore", which is a problematic rationale. While I have no doubts that everyone is better off with this group living where and how they are, I don't see that it will make them happier in the long run.
2012-05-06 09:24:12 PM
1 votes:
Man, these pics look great on my iPad. Hold on, gotta get a cold beer from the fridge and take a quick dump n my climate controlled toilet.
2012-05-06 09:16:17 PM
1 votes:

Kaiku: A lot of hate in this thread that I think may stem partly from subconscious jealousy. These people are free in a way few people anymore can comprehend.


I for one enjoy not being free of access to modern medical care.
JVD
2012-05-06 09:14:41 PM
1 votes:
Off the grid doesn't need to be taken to mean pre-industrialisation

If I had the funds I'd find about 40 acres with an artesian well, 3-4 acre pond, 3/4 wooded with some prairie and a couple acres for a garden and a small coup for some chickens. I'd build a house with a basement and a good root cellar, regular indoor plumbing with well water and septic, wired up for 120v with some auxiliary wiring for a small solar rig to run emergency LED lighting, radio etc. Also LP heat, water heater, stove, with a wood stove for a backup/secondary heat source.

I'd have a small machine shop with some woodworking equipment and a few metalworking tools (everyone has to have a useful hobby!), and probably a diesel back up generator to run the house and shop, and a hit and miss engine with a wood gasifier added on should things go badly. Any machinery that can be run off of a pulley system would work off of that, also a water pump and log splitter could run as well. I'd also have a small tractor like a Ford 8N with loader for plowing, tilling, gathering wood, etc.

With a well stocked pantry and survival supplies, you could live in a place like that pretty much indefinitely should something happen where the power goes out for an extended period of time. There is nothing wrong with being self sustainable, in fact, it should be encouraged. You shouldn't be dependent on anyone else to supply you with the basic needs in life, and there is no reason to say you have to be uncomfortable if you do go off the grid.
2012-05-06 09:12:02 PM
1 votes:
Inbreeding in the woods looks like a blast...
2012-05-06 08:50:53 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: you've trying to tell me that you've NEVER met an arrogant Pelican and/or Herald?


That's why I said *most*. There's the Society for Compulsive Authenticity and then there's the Society for Costumed Alcoholics.

But even the most hardcore SCAdians I know aren't advocating medievalism as a lifestyle. Even the most hardcore authenticity nazis I've met will machine sew their garb (at least where it doesn't show) if they're not entering it in an A&S competition.
2012-05-06 08:36:58 PM
1 votes:

kelleygreen: awed up split and stacked a 75 ft black walnut tree that will be seasoned to burn this winter.


*choke*
/Subby.
///Uhm... that's really nice wood, I do hope it was sufficiently useless for furniture.
2012-05-06 08:30:34 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: yeah but the SCAdian and the hipster both have about the same levels of pretentious contempt for modern day technologies while taking advantage of said technologies every chance they get.


"pretentious" isn't a word I'd use for (most) SCAdians. They're just doing it for fun, and are more than happy to get home to their electricity and indoor plumbing after an event.
2012-05-06 08:20:50 PM
1 votes:

Silly_Sot: I noticed no shortage of firearms. I guess "off the grid" doesn't necessarily mean "hippy".


Gun toting liberals run counter to stereotype, but there are plenty of us.
2012-05-06 08:14:26 PM
1 votes:

lordargent:
I know what these pictures don't show ...

// black people

// or even brown people

// when I live off the land, I do it for fun, over very short periods of time. I am too fond of the modern marvels of science to do otherwise (I'm a programmer damnit, could you imagine me going computer free for a month? Not gonna happen).


Tell me about it. Kajillions of them living "off the grid" in Africa, South America, even reservations in the US. Who's asking to live like that, exactly?

In cushy-cushy California, "off the grid" just means you've had your solar goodies installed & are immune to rolling brownouts.
2012-05-06 08:04:42 PM
1 votes:

ecl: You don't have to preview before posting... Now maybe you can admit that being on Fark on sunday has nothing to do with how you live your life. Or you can Hurr Durr some more.


/waits for nonsensical reply.


So essentially you got nothing to say.

Noted.
2012-05-06 07:46:10 PM
1 votes:

optikeye: * Meadow or pasture (For horses and/or other domestic animals.)
* Close access to public land and trails
* Structure for working in during bad weather
* Phone or internet access (or short drive to town for communication and re-supply.)
* Well and septic system


Yeah, well. The point is to not be actually hooked up to the grid, or to be hooked up to as few parts of it as possible, not to be way the fark out of reach of all parts of the grid.

The point is not to go way the fark out into Eastern Ass-farkistan and climb three mountains and descend four caves until you come out into the open in a valley that not even the satellites can find and you can say, "Grid? What grid?"

"Off the grid" does mean different things to different people. What I'm used to it meaning is that if the local power grid goes down, and the city water goes out, and the county sewer mains break and the sewer services go out---your lights still work, your freezer is still running, your water still runs, your toilets still flush.

However you've got it arranged, you can still put in your crops, cultivate them, bring them in, and put them up, save back seed. You can still hunt and preserve your stuff. You can still keep your livestock fed and more or less healthy (within the limits of the absence of modern veterinary care).

There's really not a darned thing wrong with living in a rural area and replacing your city water with a well--or buying a house with a well. Putting in solar panels or living someplace with a stream for hydro. Putting in a septic tank. Capturing and making use of biogas to reduce your greenhouse emissions and make your carbon output more efficient.

Hey, if that's somebody's idea of a fun time, more power to 'em.

But...anybody can dance around in deerskin and mud.
2012-05-06 07:43:21 PM
1 votes:

Mock26: However, from the little blurb at the site we have this, "to not be a part of problem anymore." Sorry, but if that is the case then all these people are doing is running away from the problems of the world, and that does nothing to help solve those problems. Kind of a shiatty reason to go live off of the grid.


Well, that's funny, because whenever anyone complains about our modern way of life, we just get told to go live in a cave somewhere if we don't farking like it. Sounds like no one else would like to be part of the solution either.
2012-05-06 07:42:32 PM
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ecl: Your points are nonsensical and my touchpad sucks.


How so? DON'T TREAT ME LIKE A RANDOM CLOUD!!

I'M A HUMAN BEING, DAMMIT!!!!

also... you still get a preview option on your device. You can't blame your touchpad.
2012-05-06 07:34:19 PM
1 votes:

Kaiku: A lot of hate in this thread that I think may stem partly from subconscious jealousy. These people are free in a way few people anymore can comprehend.


That, and deep down we all know those hippy chicks must absolute banshees in the sack. Or the straw. Or the dirt. Or wherever they do their shagging. I'd even go so far as to say they are probably better than crazy, without having to deal with, well... sticking your dick in crazy.
2012-05-06 07:32:20 PM
1 votes:
Who left the door open?

If you don't keep the door shut the Nineteenth Century wanders into the store.

Go get the broom and my shotgun from behind the counter.
2012-05-06 07:30:58 PM
1 votes:
That's my retirement, already self sufficient, get me a cabin ala Dick Proeneke and I will be in heavan
2012-05-06 07:15:50 PM
1 votes:

RibbyK: Okay, am I the only one who thought the bare-legged chick on the horse was hot?
/Sure, she was a bit scruffy-looking, but after ten minutes in a hot tub...


You were not.

Women in the back country ... yeah.
2012-05-06 07:15:34 PM
1 votes:
Or as our bears would say; a walking meat department.
2012-05-06 07:11:56 PM
1 votes:
People living off the grid used to be called hillbillies.

reason.com
2012-05-06 07:09:16 PM
1 votes:
Are we sure that these douchebags aren't under the mistaken impression that they are all competing in a reality show to become the new face of Ralph Lauren's "Off The Grid" collection?
2012-05-06 07:08:25 PM
1 votes:
"Not being part of the problem" is an interesting reason to do that. If they did away with themselves, wouldn't that make them even a lesser burden on the earth?
2012-05-06 07:07:13 PM
1 votes:

optikeye: The young people in the 'clan of the cave bears' dearskin are students in a 'wilderness class'...who pay 600 bucks a week to the instructor to dress-up and learn skills.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/contact.html

Basically a summer camp for Hippies.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/2012-schedule.html

Here's a list of things you need to bring to $1000 immersion camp:


* MINIMUM 6 LARGE BRAIN TANNED DEER HIDES (OR BUCKSKIN CLOTHES)
* STONE AGE TOOL KIT INCLUDING; FIRE KIT, BONE AWL, STONE KNIFE
* PACK BASKET
* 5LBS DRIED WILD PLANT FOODS
* 5LBS DRIED WILD MEAT OR FISH
* 1LB RENDERED FAT
* WATER CONTAINER
* GATHERING BASKET
* EATING BOWL AND UTENSILS
* RAWHIDE OR BUCKSKIN FOOD CONTAINERS.
* SELF BOW AND ARROWS (OPTIONAL)
* BRING A RAW/DRY SALTED WINTER KILL COW BUFFALO HIDE OR 10LBS OF GOOD FELTING SHEEP WOOL FOR THE BEDDING CLASS.


How long is the class?
I took a 7 day class with Cody Lundin and traipsed across the desert with just about only the clothing on my back (plus water bottles, blanket, knife). We didn't need any of what you've listed. It was ... very educational and a wake up call to what we really need and what is really important.

I love a comfy bed inside of a good home. I love clean water and sewers/toilets. These were things I appreciate +1000% more than I did before.
2012-05-06 07:03:30 PM
1 votes:
Stop. Shower time.
2012-05-06 07:01:59 PM
1 votes:
The young people in the 'clan of the cave bears' dearskin are students in a 'wilderness class'...who pay 600 bucks a week to the instructor to dress-up and learn skills.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/contact.html

Basically a summer camp for Hippies.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/2012-schedule.html

Here's a list of things you need to bring to $1000 immersion camp:


* MINIMUM 6 LARGE BRAIN TANNED DEER HIDES (OR BUCKSKIN CLOTHES)
* STONE AGE TOOL KIT INCLUDING; FIRE KIT, BONE AWL, STONE KNIFE
* PACK BASKET
* 5LBS DRIED WILD PLANT FOODS
* 5LBS DRIED WILD MEAT OR FISH
* 1LB RENDERED FAT
* WATER CONTAINER
* GATHERING BASKET
* EATING BOWL AND UTENSILS
* RAWHIDE OR BUCKSKIN FOOD CONTAINERS.
* SELF BOW AND ARROWS (OPTIONAL)
* BRING A RAW/DRY SALTED WINTER KILL COW BUFFALO HIDE OR 10LBS OF GOOD FELTING SHEEP WOOL FOR THE BEDDING CLASS.
2012-05-06 06:54:32 PM
1 votes:
A little context would have been nice.

or am I being foiled by NoScript again (which I am okay with)?
2012-05-06 06:52:13 PM
1 votes:
Fuggin Bizzy : Meh. Needs more hi-res pics. I can't quite make out what these pictures are supposed to be showing me.

I know what these pictures don't show ...

// black people

// or even brown people

// when I live off the land, I do it for fun, over very short periods of time. I am too fond of the modern marvels of science to do otherwise (I'm a programmer damnit, could you imagine me going computer free for a month? Not gonna happen).
2012-05-06 05:47:02 PM
1 votes:

doglover: Rik01: Plus, you had best know EXACTLY what you're doing to preserve food, especially canning.


It's super easy to preserve food. People did it for 10s of 1000s of years before we even knew botulism came from little invisible bugs. Not exactly rocket science.


as long as you follow basic sanitation procedures, it's not even an issue.
2012-05-06 05:16:57 PM
1 votes:

Weaver95: Fubini: What exactly am I looking at?.

'off the grid' means different things to different people. it can mean people deciding what level of technology they're comfortable with and living at that level or it can mean rejecting as much technology as possible. it can even mean trying to live as self sufficently as you can.


The only context I've ever heard "off the grid" used with is in terms of preventing electronic surveillance, or in the literal sense of the electric/water/sewage/etc. grid.

I'd still like to know what these people think they're accomplishing with their lives, other than existing.
2012-05-06 04:20:51 PM
1 votes:

WTF Indeed: some kind of MMMFF orgy thing.


not that there's anything wrong with that.
2012-05-06 04:06:03 PM
1 votes:
I sometimes wonder what became of GaryPDX and whether he finally pulled the plug on his internet feed.
 
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